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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 8695 times)

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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2020, 05:50:43 PM »
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Here's a very interesting article.

https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_anxiety_lockdowns_life_destroyed_saved

I'm not familiar with Just Facts, but the article lays out its reasoning in detail, is extensively backed by references to good sources, the conclusions were vetted by a psychiatrist, and they use the most conservative results (in favor of lockdowns) from a suite of studies. It's devastating, and even if there are some valid critiques, the structure and references are a great resource.

Note the article is more than a month old, so this information has been out there for a while.

I wonder if the same people that point out that COVID-related deaths are mainly among those with comorbidities (e.g., hypertension, asthma, etc.) will be as quick to note that the deaths in this study are likewise tied to comorbidities (e.g., depression, anxiety disorders, mood disorders, and psychosis). For those that say that the deaths of those from COVID are just nature killing off the infirm, are the deaths from lockdown/isolation not merely another shade of the same thing?

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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2020, 09:04:29 PM »
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For those that say that the deaths of those from COVID are just nature killing off the infirm, are the deaths from lockdown/isolation not merely another shade of the same thing?

Good question!

The death data from mental illness would need to be matched vs. economic data. AKA, what's their death rate when employed vs. unemployed? What's their death rate when the national economy is booming vs. suffering recession?

I'm sure these numbers exist somewhere.

Here's a "Systemic Review of Suicide in Economic Recession" from 2015. The conclusion? "Economic recession periods appear to increase overall suicide rates, although further research is warranted in this area, particularly in low income countries."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4473496/

A couple weeks ago, I had been interested in how the social media / MSM fearmongering would affect the overall mental health of the nation.

Our cities got the answer loud and clear regarding the short term effect. Now we must wait for the long term effect.


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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2020, 02:21:32 PM »
Turns out now that racism is a much bigger health concern among many of the learned than covid.   I feel like I woke up in clown world when 2020 hit.

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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2020, 03:23:54 PM »
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Turns out now that racism is a much bigger health concern among many of the learned than covid.   I feel like I woke up in clown world when 2020 hit.

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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2020, 06:47:14 AM »
Cases in my area (central Florida) are on the rise again. Many are asymptomatic and are accounted for simply by having much easier access to testing. However, hospitalizations for COVID are rising again too. On the bright side, many of these are being caught early and do not (yet) require ICU. Treatment has also changed with better understanding, so ventilators are used less frequently. Healthcare "workplace" exposures have risen too, mainly r/t lax discipline on following precautions largely associated with fatigue (i.e., "tired" from maintaining precautions continuously for so long...these are not people you would want colonizing Mars).

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« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2020, 02:39:48 PM »
Coronasham is back? We're giving up on the riots already?

Our governor, Emperor Newscum of California, just released his royal edict demanding everyone to wear face diapers inside and outside because of the scary Corona monsters chasing everybody now the protesters got bored and went home. However...the responses to his tweeted command are pretty funny.

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1273696999066353664

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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2020, 04:17:02 PM »
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I thought this was fake or satire, but I was wrong.  
Open letter advocating for an anti-racist public health response to demonstrations against systemic
injustice occurring during the COVID-19 pandemic

"COVID-19 among Black patients is yet another lethal manifestation of white supremacy."

I'm glad they published this letter because that's "1,288 public health professionals, infectious diseases professionals, and community stakeholders" I can avoid at all costs.

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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2020, 04:27:45 PM »
Oh I do love the word stakeholder when someone is selling bullshit.  We have a (former) superintendent of our kids school system and he could not use the word enough in layering a bunch of nonsense around a very obvious attempt to dumb down the curriculum at every turn.

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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2020, 04:43:32 PM »
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Oh I do love the word stakeholder when someone is selling bullshit.  We have a (former) superintendent of our kids school system and he could not use the word enough in layering a bunch of nonsense around a very obvious attempt to dumb down the curriculum at every turn.

Adrienne Jones - African American

Literal fucking LOL. Like that is your ONLY fucking credential, that you were born black. My God, the US is doomed...

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2020, 04:14:14 AM »
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Even if someone does turn out to be right, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have questioned it!! What I find most exasperating about the covid-19 issue is how many people default to an answer based on their politics without questioning it -- and furthermore, anyone who holds a different view is clearly insane and/or brainwashed.

Covid-19 is a very new disease, and different studies have found significantly different infection fatality rates as well as other differing features. There has been little time for in-depth analysis, and the conditions vary a lot from country to country. I don't think that six months is sufficient for absolute knowledge of it. We're moving very quickly in studies -- but rushed studies tend to produce inconsistent results.

I'm not convinced that there is a single best approach to public health that works best for every community and country. Some countries have done better than others in terms of rates, but much of that is probably due to differing conditions - not because of the different government response.

Coronavirus isn't a "new" disease, it's a very familiar one which presents a variety of strains every year. Most of them aren't really all that troubling except to the sick, elderly and young. Since the whole "asymptomatic transmission" thing has turned out to be total bollocks, the only thing that's "novel" about this is that it's particularly deadly to the elderly, while being not that lethal for the young.
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2020, 04:20:14 AM »
Old people get sick and die. If any of us live long enough to get into our 80s, we're most likely going to bite the hoagie by illness or disease. Flu kills 36k average in the USA every year and the vast majority of those are geezers. Winter kills the old and the sick. Always has, always will.

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2020, 11:52:27 AM »
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Old people get sick and die. If any of us live long enough to get into our 80s, we're most likely going to bite the hoagie by illness or disease. Flu kills 36k average in the USA every year and the vast majority of those are geezers. Winter kills the old and the sick. Always has, always will.

  Speak for yourself.  I always tell my wife if I hit 80 I am going to take up piloting helicopters or hunting bears (grizzy, polar or kodiak) with a hand gun.  I prefer to die wearing my boots and not in bedclothes.

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2020, 07:45:34 PM »
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Since the whole "asymptomatic transmission" thing has turned out to be total bollocks

Where are you getting this from? The WHO have already backtracked on their "almost no asymptomatic spread" claim. What I've read implies we still don't know. Some studies say almost 0, others around 20%, and some as high as 40%. Which studies are you going with?

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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2020, 01:14:10 PM »
Don't trust the WHO at all.  That corrupt organization is bought and owned by China.