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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 102963 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2850 on: October 06, 2021, 07:56:34 PM »
Delta is not more deadly, but it is far more infectious.

Which I just said.

The reason we are seeing an overall increase in hospitalizations and deaths is not because the virus has become more deadly, it is because far more people have been infected by it.

Bollocks. Plenty of people were infected by earlier strains too. Every uptick in infections and deaths accompanied the jabbination programme.
That uptick corresponded with Delta, not the vaccinations you moron.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2851 on: October 06, 2021, 08:19:37 PM »
Holy shit...



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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2852 on: October 06, 2021, 08:54:20 PM »
That’s a flawed logic as well. How can all these experts we supposedly depend on for knowledge about the virus fuck up so badly? Is there such a thing as an expert? Because if there were, we wouldn’t still be dealing with this pandemic nearly 2 years later, would we?

How did they fuck up exactly? Fastest vaccine ever, massively reduced the number of hospitalizations and deaths from the virus, moving into boosters in year two, distributing as fast as reasonably expected but hard to distribute in some third world nations. What exactly did you think they could do to make this be done faster? Certainly some policies were fucked up, and the scientists were not omniscient in predicting everything perfectly, but I would not say the scientists have "fucked this up so badly".
Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!

You suck at this asshole schtick.

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« Reply #2853 on: October 06, 2021, 08:59:14 PM »
That’s a flawed logic as well. How can all these experts we supposedly depend on for knowledge about the virus fuck up so badly? Is there such a thing as an expert? Because if there were, we wouldn’t still be dealing with this pandemic nearly 2 years later, would we?

How did they fuck up exactly? Fastest vaccine ever, massively reduced the number of hospitalizations and deaths from the virus, moving into boosters in year two, distributing as fast as reasonably expected but hard to distribute in some third world nations. What exactly did you think they could do to make this be done faster? Certainly some policies were fucked up, and the scientists were not omniscient in predicting everything perfectly, but I would not say the scientists have "fucked this up so badly".
Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!

You suck at this asshole schtick.
That's because I'm not being an asshole. I'm using an analogy to point out the gaping hole in your argument. Even if the apocryphal story that Mussolini's government was so efficient the trains always ran on time was true (it's not), it can't be considered a success because of the horrendous cost to personal liberty. The same applies to the vaccines, and the mandates they've used to force them on everyone. This isn't even an Italian Godwinning, because they're literally using totalitarian methods.

You on the other hand are deliberately trying to be an asshole.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2854 on: October 07, 2021, 08:04:51 AM »
Shut up and die, they explained.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-man-dies-from-covid-19-after-hospital-rejects-court-order-for-ivermectin

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2855 on: October 07, 2021, 08:09:05 AM »
That uptick corresponded with Delta, not the vaccinations you moron.

Nope, the "Indian variant" they now call Delta appeared with India's jab rollout (and the withdrawal of Ivermectin, which was banned by many states at the same time).

Funny that India's largest state has all but eradicated covid through widespread application of Ivermectin (or rather the resumption of it's use).
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2856 on: October 07, 2021, 08:46:38 AM »
Shut up and die, they explained.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-man-dies-from-covid-19-after-hospital-rejects-court-order-for-ivermectin

Guess we know where HappyDerp works now...
Judges don't have the power to order medications or treatments unless they themselves are licensed as doctors (and if they are, they still cannot dictate how another provider operates so long as it is within the standards). I don't work there, but I can understand why the court order was unenforceable.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2857 on: October 08, 2021, 10:43:12 AM »
Shut up and die, they explained.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-man-dies-from-covid-19-after-hospital-rejects-court-order-for-ivermectin

Guess we know where HappyDerp works now...
Judges don't have the power to order medications or treatments unless they themselves are licensed as doctors (and if they are, they still cannot dictate how another provider operates so long as it is within the standards). I don't work there, but I can understand why the court order was unenforceable.
If you read the original article, you will find that the guy's primary care doctor prescribed ivermectin, not the judge.
"Alvarado spoke with Carter’s Primary Care provider who wrote him a prescription for Ivermectin but the hospital refused to administer it."
This is similar to the Ohio case.  In that case the hospital followed the court order and the patient lived. 
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2858 on: October 08, 2021, 10:51:16 AM »
Shut up and die, they explained.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-man-dies-from-covid-19-after-hospital-rejects-court-order-for-ivermectin

Guess we know where HappyDerp works now...
Judges don't have the power to order medications or treatments unless they themselves are licensed as doctors (and if they are, they still cannot dictate how another provider operates so long as it is within the standards). I don't work there, but I can understand why the court order was unenforceable.
If you read the original article, you will find that the guy's primary care doctor prescribed ivermectin, not the judge.
"Alvarado spoke with Carter’s Primary Care provider who wrote him a prescription for Ivermectin but the hospital refused to administer it."
This is similar to the Ohio case.  In that case the hospital followed the court order and the patient lived.
Did the prescribing doctor have privileges at the hospital in question? If not, his orders/scripts mean nothing in that hospital.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2859 on: October 08, 2021, 12:03:19 PM »
Are we in an epidemic or not?

You see, if we are, then we do not need to be turning up our nose at ANY approach to the virus. We should be throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, metaphorically speaking. Which is why the hardline, vicious resistance to HCQ and ivermectin strikes me as so peculiar.

(Also, if Merck's new Covid pill turns out to be some form of ivermectin, I will laugh myself into madness.)

And if we're NOT in an epidemic, then why was it necessary to shoot the economy?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2860 on: October 08, 2021, 12:52:43 PM »
Shut up and die, they explained.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-man-dies-from-covid-19-after-hospital-rejects-court-order-for-ivermectin

Guess we know where HappyDerp works now...
Judges don't have the power to order medications or treatments unless they themselves are licensed as doctors (and if they are, they still cannot dictate how another provider operates so long as it is within the standards). I don't work there, but I can understand why the court order was unenforceable.
If you read the original article, you will find that the guy's primary care doctor prescribed ivermectin, not the judge.
"Alvarado spoke with Carter’s Primary Care provider who wrote him a prescription for Ivermectin but the hospital refused to administer it."
This is similar to the Ohio case.  In that case the hospital followed the court order and the patient lived.
Did the prescribing doctor have privileges at the hospital in question? If not, his orders/scripts mean nothing in that hospital.
There is no evidence that they did not have privileges.   
News10NBC Investigates: Families suing local hospitals to administer Ivermectin to dying COVID patients
Same hospital back in January - also Buffalo.   Back before big pharma and the CDC began waging a full scale war against horse paste.
Court orders Rochester General to give experimental COVID treatment to patient
Some hospitals are dead set on ensuring patients die rather than allow very safe drugs to even be tried. 
It looks more like hubris or possibly there is some financial or other pressure involved.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2861 on: October 08, 2021, 04:14:53 PM »
Did the prescribing doctor have privileges at the hospital in question? If not, his orders/scripts mean nothing in that hospital.

Whereas if you just took the Doctors script to the Pharmacy then the patient could have his medicines and lived no problem.

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« Reply #2862 on: October 08, 2021, 04:34:52 PM »
That’s a flawed logic as well. How can all these experts we supposedly depend on for knowledge about the virus fuck up so badly? Is there such a thing as an expert? Because if there were, we wouldn’t still be dealing with this pandemic nearly 2 years later, would we?

How did they fuck up exactly? Fastest vaccine ever, massively reduced the number of hospitalizations and deaths from the virus, moving into boosters in year two, distributing as fast as reasonably expected but hard to distribute in some third world nations. What exactly did you think they could do to make this be done faster? Certainly some policies were fucked up, and the scientists were not omniscient in predicting everything perfectly, but I would not say the scientists have "fucked this up so badly".
Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!

You suck at this asshole schtick.
That's because I'm not being an asshole.

"Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!"

If it was unclear, that's something an asshole says in a conversation like this. Now you know. Self assessment time.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2863 on: October 08, 2021, 04:36:24 PM »
That uptick corresponded with Delta, not the vaccinations you moron.

Nope, the "Indian variant" they now call Delta appeared with India's jab rollout (and the withdrawal of Ivermectin, which was banned by many states at the same time).

Funny that India's largest state has all but eradicated covid through widespread application of Ivermectin (or rather the resumption of it's use).

You should publish that setting you're working on. It's extremely high fantasy on the Alice In Wonderland level but I am sure there is an audience for it.

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« Reply #2864 on: October 08, 2021, 05:22:51 PM »
That’s a flawed logic as well. How can all these experts we supposedly depend on for knowledge about the virus fuck up so badly? Is there such a thing as an expert? Because if there were, we wouldn’t still be dealing with this pandemic nearly 2 years later, would we?

How did they fuck up exactly? Fastest vaccine ever, massively reduced the number of hospitalizations and deaths from the virus, moving into boosters in year two, distributing as fast as reasonably expected but hard to distribute in some third world nations. What exactly did you think they could do to make this be done faster? Certainly some policies were fucked up, and the scientists were not omniscient in predicting everything perfectly, but I would not say the scientists have "fucked this up so badly".
Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!

You suck at this asshole schtick.
That's because I'm not being an asshole.

"Mussolini got the trains to run on time, so fascism was totally justified!"

If it was unclear, that's something an asshole says in a conversation like this. Now you know. Self assessment time.
You're talking approvingly about a government that used totalitarian measures against its own citizens, and you think someone is being an asshole when they point out it's the same rationale used by fascist governments?

It's a lot easier when the victims barely dare to breathe or achoo, isn't it?