Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Zelen]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/02/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
(Scroll down to the survey section.)

The CDC worked with 17 blood collection organizations in all 50 states plus DC and Puerto Rico, and tested 1.4 million blood samples covering 74% of the population. In other words, it's a damn good sample size.

The percentage of the samples that had antibodies for sars2:

3.5% July 2020
11.5% December 2020
83.3% May 2021

Yes, a more than sevenfold jump in 6 months. That's a lot of antibody protection in the wild. While most of the 83.3% is due to vaccinations, it also indicates the number of people who had the infection and recovered is about twice the number of reported cases (39 million x 2). And since it's measuring antibodies, it won't catch people who have lost their antibodies but still have the T-cells that can be used to generate antibodies. On the negative side, they didn't cover children under 16, and it's pre-Delta.

Honestly this is a hopeful sign for the inevitable winter surge. Even though injections are pretty poor in comparison to natural immunity, a good coverage of protection from both prior infection and injection could help take the brunt of the serious cases off. I think it's 100% inevitable that we see a huge case spike over the coming months, but I'd much rather see a case spike and fewer hospitalizations & deaths.

I wish the issue weren't so heavily propagandized so we could actually get leadership in northern states getting serious about focused protection and early treatment.

[HappyDaze]

I have a high degree of confidence that reporting on Ivermectin is using the "horse paste / dewormer" lie/smear not only because of its propaganda value, but because the censorship algorithms can't distinguish adequately between usage contexts, and therefore the state-controlled propaganda outlets are using alternative wording to escape the censorship algorithms implemented by their colleagues.

What do you base that confidence upon? The "fact" that you want it to be so?

Watching them dance around saying the banned words, while not conclusive, is a line of evidence appears to support Zelen's contention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWDGmg1fS4

That said, I would agree with the contention that the need to lie/smear Rogan is sufficient to explain their behavior.

Unfortunately we live in a world of multiple parallel realities. There's no such thing as a singular truth or honest media. We listen to the news that echo our beliefs. Very few reporters remain old school truthful. I'll normally stick with Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro, since the pair still share many old school values.

Neither Tucker Carlson nor Ben Shapiro are reporters; they are entertainers/commentators. It's a huge difference.

[FelixGamingX1]

I have a high degree of confidence that reporting on Ivermectin is using the "horse paste / dewormer" lie/smear not only because of its propaganda value, but because the censorship algorithms can't distinguish adequately between usage contexts, and therefore the state-controlled propaganda outlets are using alternative wording to escape the censorship algorithms implemented by their colleagues.

What do you base that confidence upon? The "fact" that you want it to be so?

Watching them dance around saying the banned words, while not conclusive, is a line of evidence appears to support Zelen's contention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWDGmg1fS4

That said, I would agree with the contention that the need to lie/smear Rogan is sufficient to explain their behavior.

Unfortunately we live in a world of multiple parallel realities. There's no such thing as a singular truth or honest media. We listen to the news that echo our beliefs. Very few reporters remain old school truthful. I'll normally stick with Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro, since the pair still share many old school values.

Neither Tucker Carlson nor Ben Shapiro are reporters; they are entertainers/commentators. It's a huge difference.

Commentators, because there's no such thing as a reporter on cable tv.

[Zelen]

"[Seventy-eight percent] of hospitalizations due to COVID are Obese and Overweight people. Is there an underlying problem that perhaps we have not given enough attention to?" he wrote, appearing to cite March Centers for Disease Control and Prevention covid-19 hospitalization data.

Neman concluded that covid will be around for the foreseeable future and therefore people have to find a way to coexist with the virus.

"We cannot run away from it and no vaccine nor mask will save us (in full disclosure I am vaccinated and support others to get vaccinated)," the Georgetown University graduate wrote. "Our best bet is to learn how to best live with it and focus on overall health [vs.] preventing infection."

Source

This guy went and goofed by bringing up the fact that almost all of these health problems are self-inflicted over many years. Stop being fatasses.

[FelixGamingX1]

"[Seventy-eight percent] of hospitalizations due to COVID are Obese and Overweight people. Is there an underlying problem that perhaps we have not given enough attention to?" he wrote, appearing to cite March Centers for Disease Control and Prevention covid-19 hospitalization data.

Neman concluded that covid will be around for the foreseeable future and therefore people have to find a way to coexist with the virus.

"We cannot run away from it and no vaccine nor mask will save us (in full disclosure I am vaccinated and support others to get vaccinated)," the Georgetown University graduate wrote. "Our best bet is to learn how to best live with it and focus on overall health [vs.] preventing infection."

Source

This guy went and goofed by bringing up the fact that almost all of these health problems are self-inflicted over many years. Stop being fatasses.

Time to drop that woka~cola

[RPGPundit]

"Perfectly healthy 16 year old fighting Covid in both lungs in ICU. It could happen to any totally healthy kid at all"

[dkabq]

"Perfectly healthy 16 year old fighting Covid in both lungs in ICU. It could happen to any totally healthy kid at all"

Sad to see a kid that sick. Equally as sad that she fills out a bariatric chair like that at 16. Just goes to show that physical reality doesn't give a shit about "healthy at any size".

And as a for the propaganda itself, no surprise given the Joe Rogan "horse de-wormer" crap.

[Ratman_tf]

Media is straight up lying about Oklahoma.

https://nhssequoyah.com/

[FelixGamingX1]

I guess the new threshold for American healthy is 250-400 pounds. Don't you go getting obese now!

[Mistwell]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

[oggsmash]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

[HappyDaze]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

Not true. Those that die of Covid (or with Covid or without Covid) have an effective 100% immunity to reinfection (unless resuscitated). It's the ultimate in naturally acquired immunity for all non z-viruses.

[FelixGamingX1]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

Not true. Those that die of Covid (or with Covid or without Covid) have an effective 100% immunity to reinfection (unless resuscitated). It's the ultimate in naturally acquired immunity for all non z-viruses.

I can't help but think I'll eventually die from Covid. Last week I had to worst anxiety attack of my life while driving. Very difficult to breath, I thought I was a goner for sure. Turns out my caffeine intake was a bit too high.

[Mistwell]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

[Ratman_tf]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

We can (and have) dug up "black swan" cases of vaccinated people dying of Covid. If you look, you'll find edge cases to "support" any position.