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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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HappyDaze

In central Florida, the number of hospitalizations from acute Covid+ patients has grown large enough and rapidly enough that they have gone to status black. This means they have stopped non-essentiql surgeries/procedures and many outpatient services to focus resources on the surge. Yes, Covid is mpacting the health & healthcare of even those without the disease.

SonTodoGato

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 01, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
In central Florida, the number of hospitalizations from acute Covid+ patients has grown large enough and rapidly enough that they have gone to status black. This means they have stopped non-essentiql surgeries/procedures and many outpatient services to focus resources on the surge. Yes, Covid is mpacting the health & healthcare of even those without the disease.

After more than a year with little to no measures, and they still have lower death rates than other states like NY, Massachussets or New Jersey, which did enforce quarantine measures and more people took the holy vaccine. Spikes in cases are natural and expected; that's the second, third and fourth wave everybody talks about.

SonTodoGato

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
In Spain the commies are currently celebrating the "Riders Law" which just left in the unemployment statistic over 8,000 people. A true socialist success.

Spain is slowly but surely sinking into socialism; you cannot disagree with someone's perceived gender, either. "Hate speech".

They tried to pull a similar one here in Argentina, but nobody gave a crap. We're too close to collapse that it would only speed things up.

Labor laws are not a conquest of the employee against the evil capitalist; they are simply imposing more expenditures on the employer. Either he can afford them at the cost of money he could have invested either on himself or his business (including your wage) or he can't, and thus you're not legally hired. Minimum wage, paid leave, etc. it's all deducted from your wage, while the idiotic masses believe they've earned something thanks to politicians.

Pat

#2058
Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 01, 2021, 01:15:35 PM
And here's another trick they played on the populace: Neo-Liberalism = Bad. Not a single leftist can define it. They just use it to mean capitalism. But thing is... Liberalism was, is and always will be in favor of the free market, because it's in favor of economic liberty.
The weird thing is neoliberalism has a concrete origin: The Mont Pelerin Society. This was a group of primarily economists, but also political philosophers, who in the 40s, 50s, and 60s got together to create an intellectual foundation to combat the omnipresence and omniacceptance of socialist thinking at the time. They were the fringe of the fringe, but came into prominence in the 1970s when stagflation disproved the central theory of Milton Keynes. Keynes had argued that inflation and unemployment were linked, and if you increased inflation then the number of people unemployed would always shrink. This was the dominant mode of economic/political thinking, and was used as an excuse for monetary inflation, government spending, and the increase of the welfare state from the 30s through the 60s. But stagflation was high inflation and unemployment, and the establishment of the time had no idea how to stop it. Milton Friedman, of the Mont Pelerin Society, provided the explanation and eventual cure.

You might recognize some of the names from the Mont Pelerin Society: Milton Friedman, George Stigler, and Karl Knight were from the Chicago School (monetarism). Friedrich Hayek and Ludwig von Mises were from the Austrian School. And others, like Karl Popper, were more generally in the classical liberal camp. They believed in the free market, and individual rights. Stagflation in the 1970s was an inflection point, and the failure of the traditional models led to the institutional acceptance of many of their ideas, including strong support for free markets, deregulation, and lower tariffs.

This came to be known as neoliberalism, though from the start the term was applied by enemies of the new establishment, and used derisively. To this day, almost no one calls themselves a "neoliberal". Neoliberalism also wasn't a complete overthrow of the established order; Keynsianism survived as neo-Keynsianism, by adopting some of the ideas of Friedman while retaining their belief in monetary manipulation and heavy government spending. In fact, if anything, they got much stronger, since stagflation was also a direct cause of the demise of the Bretton Woods system, and the final stamping out of the gold standard. Central banks no longer had any real constraints, and neo-Keynsian/monetarist manipulation became part of the new orthodoxy. Reagan and Thatcher are considered exemplars of neoliberalism, though so are the Clintons, so don't read too much of one political wing and not the other into the label.

So neoliberalism is a term of derision, not self-identification. It's free market, but a free market tied to the central planning of monetary policy. It cuts across both sides of the political aisle, in both the US and in European and European-descended countries that interpret left and right somewhat differently. But more than that, it's the established order. It's the Powers that Be, the primary belief system of the elite class of Western leaders who have had outsize influence on the world, from central bank policies, to national leadership, or through international organizations like the WTO and the IMF.

HappyDaze

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 01, 2021, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 01, 2021, 02:41:36 PM
In central Florida, the number of hospitalizations from acute Covid+ patients has grown large enough and rapidly enough that they have gone to status black. This means they have stopped non-essentiql surgeries/procedures and many outpatient services to focus resources on the surge. Yes, Covid is mpacting the health & healthcare of even those without the disease.

After more than a year with little to no measures, and they still have lower death rates than other states like NY, Massachussets or New Jersey, which did enforce quarantine measures and more people took the holy vaccine. Spikes in cases are natural and expected; that's the second, third and fourth wave everybody talks about.
They are not focused on cases of infection or (directly) on death rates; they are worried about a surge of hospitalized patients with acute symptomatic Covid.

Kiero

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 01, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
Wishing everyone lots of health in the coming days. Follow science, not stupid. I yield.

I have a functioning immune system that hasn't been compromised by the vaccines. I don't need well wishes, thanks.
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yancy

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 01, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
This is why you need guns; so you don't end up taking tear gas because the government wants to inject you with something for your safety.

Incidentally, I'll be going to my LGS tomorrow to pick up the last piece of the arms stockpile. I'm curious to see if they're going to be going back to mask requirements or not. As of now the state law explicitly states they don't have to follow any crackpot leftist shit-for-brains mask ordinances, and they clearly don't want to, but this time last year the leftists made a major effort at getting the place closed down (ratting on them to local government about customers not wearing masks, some liberal scumbags even attempting to set fire to the place).

They made it through okay, probably just required a little extra palm grease, but they did knuckle under to the insane leftist demands for masks; I wonder if they will this time now that the law is 100% on their side.

Quote from: Rhedynif you are against this, I assume you are racist.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Kiero on August 01, 2021, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 01, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
Wishing everyone lots of health in the coming days. Follow science, not stupid. I yield.

I have a functioning immune system that hasn't been compromised by the vaccines. I don't need well wishes, thanks.
Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.

yancy

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 02, 2021, 05:56:29 AM
Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.

That is funny, it's hilarious in fact :D

Did you get an erection when you 'ran the code', or are you suggesting you unplugged a ventilator or something, and do you believe the FBI need to know about any of your extremely dubious actions tonight?
Quote from: Rhedynif you are against this, I assume you are racist.

Pat

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 02, 2021, 05:56:29 AM
Quote from: Kiero on August 01, 2021, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 01, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
Wishing everyone lots of health in the coming days. Follow science, not stupid. I yield.

I have a functioning immune system that hasn't been compromised by the vaccines. I don't need well wishes, thanks.
Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.
The day before that, NPR ran a piece where they interviewed a Harvard professor on how to overcome vaccine "reluctance", and it was purely about blatant emotional manipulation. He was literally saying all of public health's effort should be spent on endless weepy stories about people who end up dying of covid, but at the last moment they regret not taking a vaccine, only to be told it's too late (they need to work to keep the gloating out of their voices). He wanted the same narrative everywhere, at all levels, because it affects people more strongly when there's a personal link. It should be spammed endlessly by every local hospital, in every community, and, presumably, in every online forum....

HappyDaze

Quote from: yancy on August 02, 2021, 06:27:13 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 02, 2021, 05:56:29 AM
Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.

That is funny, it's hilarious in fact :D

Did you get an erection when you 'ran the code', or are you suggesting you unplugged a ventilator or something, and do you believe the FBI need to know about any of your extremely dubious actions tonight?
What the he'll are you going on about? If you don't understand what I wrote (and that's blatantly obvious from your post), just ask for clarification.

HappyDaze


I'm not offering you the "same narrative," just what I dealt with last night. I actually saw less patients in the ED last night than usual, but that's because so many of them had admission orders and were holding for beds. This morning we had to pull inpatient (ICU & PCU) nurses to the ED to help.cover them while ED nurses dealt with taking on patients in hallway beds. This left some ICU nurses covering 3 patients each, which is a high load for that care level. Meanwhile, the lobby is backed up with less urgent cases that are actually getting some treatment while still sitting in the lobby chairs. If this seems to be the "same narrative," then perhaps it's a real problem for others too.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Pat on August 02, 2021, 07:33:41 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 02, 2021, 05:56:29 AM
Quote from: Kiero on August 01, 2021, 04:42:07 PM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on August 01, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
Wishing everyone lots of health in the coming days. Follow science, not stupid. I yield.

I have a functioning immune system that hasn't been compromised by the vaccines. I don't need well wishes, thanks.
Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.
The day before that, NPR ran a piece where they interviewed a Harvard professor on how to overcome vaccine "reluctance", and it was purely about blatant emotional manipulation. He was literally saying all of public health's effort should be spent on endless weepy stories about people who end up dying of covid, but at the last moment they regret not taking a vaccine, only to be told it's too late (they need to work to keep the gloating out of their voices). He wanted the same narrative everywhere, at all levels, because it affects people more strongly when there's a personal link. It should be spammed endlessly by every local hospital, in every community, and, presumably, in every online forum....
As for "breaking narrative," last night I got to see a vaccinated patient having severe Covid-related respiratory distress.

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I'm not a doctor, but I do sneak into my local hospital to perform amateur heart transplants. While there, I witnessed a Republican dying of Covid. She begged the doctor to give her the vaccine, but the doctor said it was too late. She died surrounded by her grief striken family. And when she drew her last breath, everyone in congress stood up and said "If only she'd gotten vaccinated, she would still be alive." and then everyone clapped. And then the baby looked at me.
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