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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 342294 times)

HappyDaze

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1845 on: April 16, 2021, 06:01:32 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1846 on: April 18, 2021, 04:34:20 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1847 on: April 18, 2021, 05:34:00 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1848 on: April 18, 2021, 06:08:14 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.
Under the most generous possible interpretation, they're segregating access to rescue services. It's horrific.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1849 on: April 18, 2021, 06:50:35 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.
Under the most generous possible interpretation, they're segregating access to rescue services. It's horrific.
Rescue services? Are the cruise ships acting as first responders? I tend to think the rescue ships are taking in people that are already rescued and located far from areas where not getting on the ship leads to "burn" as you put it. I believe most of them load up at Kingstown, right?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1850 on: April 18, 2021, 08:17:05 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.
Under the most generous possible interpretation, they're segregating access to rescue services. It's horrific.
Rescue services? Are the cruise ships acting as first responders? I tend to think the rescue ships are taking in people that are already rescued and located far from areas where not getting on the ship leads to "burn" as you put it. I believe most of them load up at Kingstown, right?
Ah yes, when there's a volcano it's really important whether the ship that's coming to rescue you is a technically a first responder.

Or it is, if you're trying to deflect the argument.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1851 on: April 19, 2021, 05:56:04 AM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.
Under the most generous possible interpretation, they're segregating access to rescue services. It's horrific.
Rescue services? Are the cruise ships acting as first responders? I tend to think the rescue ships are taking in people that are already rescued and located far from areas where not getting on the ship leads to "burn" as you put it. I believe most of them load up at Kingstown, right?
Ah yes, when there's a volcano it's really important whether the ship that's coming to rescue you is a technically a first responder.

Or it is, if you're trying to deflect the argument.
None of the people in the southern parts of the island are in danger of burning. The rescue was in getting them from the afflicted areas to the southern parts of the island. Once there, efforts to relocate them to other nations are not "rescue" or even emergent. That those relocation efforts require a prerequisite isn't nearly as horrific as you make it sound--nobody burns for not taking the vaccine.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1852 on: April 19, 2021, 08:28:40 AM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
You're excluding other options that were avaliable to those people.
Under the most generous possible interpretation, they're segregating access to rescue services. It's horrific.
Rescue services? Are the cruise ships acting as first responders? I tend to think the rescue ships are taking in people that are already rescued and located far from areas where not getting on the ship leads to "burn" as you put it. I believe most of them load up at Kingstown, right?
Ah yes, when there's a volcano it's really important whether the ship that's coming to rescue you is a technically a first responder.

Or it is, if you're trying to deflect the argument.
None of the people in the southern parts of the island are in danger of burning. The rescue was in getting them from the afflicted areas to the southern parts of the island. Once there, efforts to relocate them to other nations are not "rescue" or even emergent. That those relocation efforts require a prerequisite isn't nearly as horrific as you make it sound--nobody burns for not taking the vaccine.
Where are you getting that from? I've read every article linked in the thread, and a not single one uses the word "relocate". The word they use for the cruise ships is "evacuate". Repeatedly, in multiple articles.

15-20,000 people are being evacuated due to a volcano. And it's not precautionary, or due to tremors, or because of something that's less than instantly fatal like ash. They're being evacuated because some of the most dangerous and deadly volcanic events are happening, specifically fast moving pyroclastic flows that will kill anyone they touch. There's no indication that anyone was rescued from the jaws of fiery death, but that's irrelevant. It's a volcano, erupting, in a very dangerous way. Volcanoes are highly unpredictable, and very deadly. That nobody was poisoned or burned to death doesn't mean the danger wasn't real.

They're talking about people in shelters and rationing water. In other words, they're crowding people together in conditions where sanitation is poor. That creates a huge risk for the spread of disease, and not just the latest respiratory one. They're also talking about ashfalls, and while I don't know the nature of the particulates being ejected, that's another serious health risk.

Even if everything you said is true, these are people fleeing potential burning death, into conditions that themselves can be deadly, and their opportunities to escape those conditions are being segregated based on based on a jab that doesn't provide immunity anyway, when there are less than half a dozen cases of covid-19.

That's horrific.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1853 on: April 19, 2021, 09:23:20 AM »
So what's the current count on those that burned to death because they were refused permission to board cruise ships exclusively because they were not vaccinated?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1854 on: April 19, 2021, 10:19:22 AM »
So what's the current count on those that burned to death because they were refused permission to board cruise ships exclusively because they were not vaccinated?
At this point, fuck you. If you're make false claims and refuse to back them up, and completely ignore everything I said, you're clearly not willing to fairly deal with the issues.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1855 on: April 19, 2021, 10:29:14 AM »
So what's the current count on those that burned to death because they were refused permission to board cruise ships exclusively because they were not vaccinated?

Is this bad thing only bad if people died from it?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1856 on: April 19, 2021, 11:09:10 AM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
Who's burning, bitch? That's right, nobody is burning.

You're another alternative facts fuckwit.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1857 on: April 19, 2021, 11:19:21 AM »
So what's the current count on those that burned to death because they were refused permission to board cruise ships exclusively because they were not vaccinated?

Is this bad thing only bad if people died from it?

Seems to be the rule bout Covid badness yeah
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1858 on: April 19, 2021, 01:18:56 PM »
My general reaction to most of that is they're at bigger risk from things like diphtheria than covid-19. If the people on the cruise ships going to other islands are treated much better, it's still a horrible case of discrimination.
Was there discrimination in who was offered the vaccine?
If you don't take the drugs the government wants you to take, burn? Nice.
Who's burning, bitch? That's right, nobody is burning.

You're another alternative facts fuckwit.

So is the bad thing only bad if people died from it, or what?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1859 on: April 19, 2021, 01:22:37 PM »
So is the bad thing only bad if people died from it, or what?

Potentially dying from a fake disease is bad, possibly getting melted by lava because you don't have a vaccine for the fake disease isn't bad. Clear enough?
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.