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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341699 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1545 on: March 02, 2021, 06:17:48 PM »
Along with motorcycle injuries and gunshot wounds.

Two different things. Every death within 28 (or 60) days of a positive test is a "covid death", regardless of the actual cause.

What I'm talking about is in the UK from September 2020 they've lumped together all respiratory infections together (colds, flu, pneumonia) as "coronavirus" cases. Have to maintain the lie that there's a pandemic ravaging the land, even though there's nothing of the sort.
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« Reply #1546 on: March 02, 2021, 09:02:05 PM »
The best thing about COVID-19 is that it cured the seasonal flu. Went from something like ~100k annual deaths to almost zero. That's good news!

Amazing what happens when you reclassify virtually every respiratory infection as covid.
Along with motorcycle injuries and gunshot wounds.

Except that even if every single seasonal flu, motorcycle deaths, and gun homicides were classified as covid-19 deaths (based on the 2019 rates), that would be less than 10% of the covid-19 deaths observed in 2020. And we know that hasn't happened because there are related deaths.

Plus, this would have to be a worldwide conspiracy to inflate deaths in hundreds of countries from Israel to Germany to Brazil -- since all of them also have had major covid-19 death rates similar to the U.S.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1547 on: March 02, 2021, 09:22:24 PM »
Plus, this would have to be a worldwide conspiracy to inflate deaths in hundreds of country from Israel to Germany to Brazil -- since all of them also have had major covid-19 death rates similar to the U.S.

Looking at how many deaths there have been reported  in China, the only logical explanation is indeed a world wide conspiracy to inflate Wuhan Flu death numbers.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1548 on: March 02, 2021, 11:51:05 PM »
Plus, this would have to be a worldwide conspiracy to inflate deaths in hundreds of country from Israel to Germany to Brazil -- since all of them also have had major covid-19 death rates similar to the U.S.

Looking at how many deaths there have been reported  in China, the only logical explanation is indeed a world wide conspiracy to inflate Wuhan Flu death numbers.

Ah, yes. I forgot that you believe the only source of truth is the Chinese government, and anyone who disagrees with the Chinese government is lying.

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« Reply #1549 on: March 03, 2021, 12:29:19 AM »
Plus, this would have to be a worldwide conspiracy to inflate deaths in hundreds of country from Israel to Germany to Brazil -- since all of them also have had major covid-19 death rates similar to the U.S.

Looking at how many deaths there have been reported  in China, the only logical explanation is indeed a world wide conspiracy to inflate Wuhan Flu death numbers.

Ah, yes. I forgot that you believe the only source of truth is the Chinese government, and anyone who disagrees with the Chinese government is lying.

Oh, I see you think that the Chinese Government is lying with no evidence but at the same time the other Governments are telling the truth even with documented evidence of them over counting Wuhan Flu deaths.

Well I guess that is how science works now.
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« Reply #1550 on: March 03, 2021, 01:14:43 AM »
The best thing about COVID-19 is that it cured the seasonal flu. Went from something like ~100k annual deaths to almost zero. That's good news!

It's true. This pandemic probably did more damage to the influenza virus than anything since before 1918. It's theoretically possible it's permanent damage, as failure to spread in a year on this level could be enough to find it replaced in the ecosystem by other things.

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« Reply #1551 on: March 03, 2021, 01:16:29 AM »
The problem really is confusing deaths caused by the Wuhan Flu Virus with the economic damage caused by governments flailing for solutions.

Our governor FINALLY lifted these idiotic mask mandates (I never wore one anyway) and the usual suspects are coming out in full force claiming he only cares about money and not people. Yes, literally thousands and thousands of businesses destroyed and millions of people out of work directly resulting in deaths from stuff like suicide, but if we only save one 93 year old with diabetes IT'S TOTALLY WORTH IT!

You could get hit by a fucking bus crossing the street. If that bothers you, don't cross the street. Instead these morons want us to outlaw buses...

Which business was destroyed by mask mandates again?

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« Reply #1552 on: March 03, 2021, 01:18:02 AM »
Along with motorcycle injuries and gunshot wounds.

Two different things. Every death within 28 (or 60) days of a positive test is a "covid death", regardless of the actual cause.

What I'm talking about is in the UK from September 2020 they've lumped together all respiratory infections together (colds, flu, pneumonia) as "coronavirus" cases. Have to maintain the lie that there's a pandemic ravaging the land, even though there's nothing of the sort.

You think literally the entire planet got together in a massive conspiracy, and you're just smarter than them all?

Jesus, you really are fucking stupid.

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« Reply #1553 on: March 03, 2021, 02:13:40 AM »
The best thing about COVID-19 is that it cured the seasonal flu. Went from something like ~100k annual deaths to almost zero. That's good news!

It's true. This pandemic probably did more damage to the influenza virus than anything since before 1918. It's theoretically possible it's permanent damage, as failure to spread in a year on this level could be enough to find it replaced in the ecosystem by other things.
Viruses. Or virii, if you want to annoy pedants. Influenza is a many-headed hydra. That's why the flu shot each year is different; they have to choose which strains they think will be big and target them. It's very unlikely they'll all be beat back. Not that a slow down will do anything anyway. They'll bounce back. Some viruses do vanish, but unless we have near-total immunity like with small pox, that won't happen.

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« Reply #1554 on: March 03, 2021, 04:56:32 AM »
The problem really is confusing deaths caused by the Wuhan Flu Virus with the economic damage caused by governments flailing for solutions.

Our governor FINALLY lifted these idiotic mask mandates (I never wore one anyway) and the usual suspects are coming out in full force claiming he only cares about money and not people. Yes, literally thousands and thousands of businesses destroyed and millions of people out of work directly resulting in deaths from stuff like suicide, but if we only save one 93 year old with diabetes IT'S TOTALLY WORTH IT!

You could get hit by a fucking bus crossing the street. If that bothers you, don't cross the street. Instead these morons want us to outlaw buses...

Which business was destroyed by mask mandates again?

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Come on, now, Mistwell. Don't play being obtuse. The last year we have seen *dozens* of businesses, if not *thousands* go out of business and shut their doors. These bankrupt businesses--shops, stores of many kinds, and restaurants--employed hundreds of thousands and likely millions of employees. They all have closed either directly through mask mandates, "social distancing" requirements, and government required lockdowns--and or in combination from such measures and a huge loss of in-person, buying customers. Just the other day, FRY's Electronics--from California--and very prominent in the Bay Area as well as Southern California--announced it is closing all of its stores permanently because of the pandemic. I'm not going to hunt down more specific restaurants and businesses--you know good and well the pandemic's impact on the economy has been absolutely enormous, with many, many businesses ruined forever.

There's even been videos of restaurant owners screaming into live cameras about how their employees are suffering, they can't pay their bills, and they are soon to be bankrupt and destitute themselves because of the pandemic, and the government's response to the pandemic.

States need to get rid of these stupid lockdowns and mandates, and get everything open and running again. Old people, and obese people with trainloads of problems, *THEY* need to wear masks, and quarantine themselves, and stay isolated. Everyone else needs to get on with the business of living. The sooner and stronger that states do this, the better off our economy and society will be. At the end of the day, that's the bottom line.

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« Reply #1555 on: March 03, 2021, 06:39:01 AM »
On the upshot, it seems Texas no longer wants to play the game.


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« Reply #1556 on: March 03, 2021, 07:04:50 AM »
  I am also curious as to the health effects of people being afraid of covid who put off necessary medical check ups as well as many people being advised to stay clear of hospitals/doctors offices unless absolutely necessary (and some people make a mess of that judgement call). 

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« Reply #1557 on: March 03, 2021, 07:17:19 AM »
In Victoria, category 2 (do within 90 days) and 3 (180 days) procedures were shut down for most of 220 days - from March till December. Our peak ICU hospitals for covid was... 48. We originally had 450 ICU beds, and built it up to 4,500.

A guy I know had some bowel problems in March last year, was due for a scope - he almost got in June, but it didn't work out, he had to wait till December. Well, now he's got a colostomy bag and is undergoing chemo for liver cancer. He's in a lot of pain. He had a secure job but he's on unpaid leave now. His chances are not great, but should he, god willing survive - well he'll be disabled and will have lifelong problems. He's got a wife and a 12 and 10 year old. That could have been a day procedure in March.
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« Reply #1558 on: March 03, 2021, 07:21:25 AM »
In Victoria, category 2 (do within 90 days) and 3 (180 days) procedures were shut down for most of 220 days - from March till December. Our peak ICU hospitals for covid was... 48. We originally had 450 ICU beds, and built it up to 4,500.

A guy I know had some bowel problems in March last year, was due for a scope - he almost got in June, but it didn't work out, he had to wait till December. Well, now he's got a colostomy bag and is undergoing chemo for liver cancer. He's in a lot of pain. He had a secure job but he's on unpaid leave now. His chances are not great, but should he, god willing survive - well he'll be disabled and will have lifelong problems. He's got a wife and a 12 and 10 year old. That could have been a day procedure in March.
  I personally know of a similar scenario, that ended badly as well.  I put off surgery to fix a pec tear that likely when I do get surgery later this year is going to not have the results I would like, but my deal was not even close to the situation you detail, and the one I know of.  I think covid has done massive damage, but not in the actual death toll from the virus.

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« Reply #1559 on: March 03, 2021, 07:32:01 AM »
Which business was destroyed by mask mandates again?

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