Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[HappyDaze]

I am a health care professional, and i agree that it is a good thing. There are a lot of other factors to consider too, but as far as ICU utilization goes, those are pretty good.

The problem is state-wide averages aren't a particularly useful metric. If every hospital is running at 75% capacity, that's great. But if 1/2 the hospitals are running at 100% capacity and the other 1/2 are running at 50% capacity, that's terrible. A more useful measure would be the number or percentage of hospitals exceeding various thresholds.

Even that is prone to issues.  For example,, a community hospital with 8 ICU beds needs to be differentiated from a major hospital with 150+ ICU beds. That's part of what I summed up as "a lot of other factors" but overall loads are a good place to start so long as your medical transport capacity can redirect/divert to balance those loads somewhat.

[Shasarak]

I am a health care professional, and i agree that it is a good thing. There are a lot of other factors to consider too, but as far as ICU utilization goes, those are pretty good.

The problem is state-wide averages aren't a particularly useful metric. If every hospital is running at 75% capacity, that's great. But if 1/2 the hospitals are running at 100% capacity and the other 1/2 are running at 50% capacity, that's terrible. A more useful measure would be the number or percentage of hospitals exceeding various thresholds.

Even that is prone to issues.  For example,, a community hospital with 8 ICU beds needs to be differentiated from a major hospital with 150+ ICU beds. That's part of what I summed up as "a lot of other factors" but overall loads are a good place to start so long as your medical transport capacity can redirect/divert to balance those loads somewhat.

The ICUs still not over whelmed?

Any day now, I am sure.

[Pat]

I am a health care professional, and i agree that it is a good thing. There are a lot of other factors to consider too, but as far as ICU utilization goes, those are pretty good.

The problem is state-wide averages aren't a particularly useful metric. If every hospital is running at 75% capacity, that's great. But if 1/2 the hospitals are running at 100% capacity and the other 1/2 are running at 50% capacity, that's terrible. A more useful measure would be the number or percentage of hospitals exceeding various thresholds.

Even that is prone to issues.  For example,, a community hospital with 8 ICU beds needs to be differentiated from a major hospital with 150+ ICU beds. That's part of what I summed up as "a lot of other factors" but overall loads are a good place to start so long as your medical transport capacity can redirect/divert to balance those loads somewhat.

Except hospitals are local, and patients tend to be transferred within regions, not within states. And that's exactly what broke down at the start of this surge. A lot of rural hospitals were reporting that they were being turned down, when they tried to transfer critical patients to regional centers capable of handling them. A better approach might involve focusing on regional capacity.

[Spinachcat]

The new strain of CoronaChan is gonna create so much...new TikTok dance videos.

The ICUs still not over whelmed?

Any day now, I am sure.

Lockdowns are the only way! Wear your face diaper! OBEY!!!

But hey, the shamdemic was never about the KungFlu.

[Trond]

Pat and rawma -- I can't even tell what you two are arguing about at this point, but I think it's probably better for both of your blood pressures to just take a break and go do something else you enjoy. I get worked up over stuff on this forum from time to time, and I find it helps a lot to take a break and have a beer or something.

Seems like Cabin-Fever got them! Their turning into FURRIES before our very eyes!
LQQK AWAY B~4 ITS 2 L8!!!1!

This time you make sense

[consolcwby]

Pat and rawma -- I can't even tell what you two are arguing about at this point, but I think it's probably better for both of your blood pressures to just take a break and go do something else you enjoy. I get worked up over stuff on this forum from time to time, and I find it helps a lot to take a break and have a beer or something.

Seems like Cabin-Fever got them! Their turning into FURRIES before our very eyes!
LQQK AWAY B~4 ITS 2 L8!!!1!

This time you make sense

Damn it! And I thought I was on a roll! 

[deathknight4044]

 

[deathknight4044]

The best part is about 50% of the country won't bat an eye at the bald faced hypocrisy. All of thier outrage and moralizing has been manufactured and it wont even register for these people. They will unironically think to themselves "right wingers saying the same thing a few months ago was bad because they weren't trusting the science, but now opening back up is good because it is trusting the science"

Clown world

[SHARK]

The best part is about 50% of the country won't bat an eye at the bald faced hypocrisy. All of thier outrage and moralizing has been manufactured and it wont even register for these people. They will unironically think to themselves "right wingers saying the same thing a few months ago was bad because they weren't trusting the science, but now opening back up is good because it is trusting the science"

Clown world

Greetings!

Exactly, Deathknight. All of the stupid hypocrisy doesn't matter to Liberals. The important thing is to always make Trump look bad, and to defeat Trump--"By any means necessary." Liberals have said that. Our country is going to be wallowing in shit--but the cock-sucking Liberals will love it, because it is Biden and Kamala squatting over them, along with a cohort of black and brown people, like Ilhan Omar and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Yay! The executive orders of Biden, the policy reversals, the money-printing--so much shit being poured down on this country that people are going to be choking on all of the shit.

Ah, well. There's also going to be returning to the Paris Accords, new environmental laws, gas prices are going to increase, and taxes, taxes, and more taxes. Gun confiscation, mandatory masking, mandatory vaccinations! Ram it the fuck down, baby!

This country is so fucked.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[jhkim]

The best part is about 50% of the country won't bat an eye at the bald faced hypocrisy. All of thier outrage and moralizing has been manufactured and it wont even register for these people. They will unironically think to themselves "right wingers saying the same thing a few months ago was bad because they weren't trusting the science, but now opening back up is good because it is trusting the science"

But here in California, we are experiencing higher covid-19 rates and has a tighter lockdown than we have in many months. The same is true across many other states.

Further, if this was about Donald Trump - why have there been lockdowns and other major measures in dozens of countries all over the world? Did Spain and Italy and dozens of other countries in the world all had lockdowns just to deal with Donald Trump?

[Shasarak]

But here in California, we are experiencing higher covid-19 rates and has a tighter lockdown than we have in many months. The same is true across many other states.

Have you tried wearing masks?

[EOTB]

Jhkim is right.  It's not about Donald Trump per se, it's about the global reset initiative people like Trudeau and other Eurocrats are on record as saying the pandemic presents a convenient opportunity to pursue, that Trump incidentally was the biggest obstacle thereto.  A *global* reset championed by European and US globalists would require Europe to lock down, too. 

But we must always stop at the precise boundaries of how an unsympathetic argument is framed when we try to knock it down, taking it merely literally instead of seriously in our objections.  This is how free speech expedites our coming together and why it is valuable in arriving at best solutions and next steps

[deathknight4044]

The best part is about 50% of the country won't bat an eye at the bald faced hypocrisy. All of thier outrage and moralizing has been manufactured and it wont even register for these people. They will unironically think to themselves "right wingers saying the same thing a few months ago was bad because they weren't trusting the science, but now opening back up is good because it is trusting the science"

But here in California, we are experiencing higher covid-19 rates and has a tighter lockdown than we have in many months. The same is true across many other states.

Further, if this was about Donald Trump - why have there been lockdowns and other major measures in dozens of countries all over the world? Did Spain and Italy and dozens of other countries in the world all had lockdowns just to deal with Donald Trump?

That sounds like a response to an argument I didn't actually make. What I am saying is that it will cease to be weaponized politically, we will see less moralizing and accusations of killing grandma for not wanting the complete destruction of the economy, and leftists will now shamelessly champion positions they described as morally repugnant throughout 2020.

[deathknight4044]

Jhkim is right.  It's not about Donald Trump per se, it's about the global reset initiative people like Trudeau and other Eurocrats are on record as saying the pandemic presents a convenient opportunity to pursue, that Trump incidentally was the biggest obstacle thereto.  A *global* reset championed by European and US globalists would require Europe to lock down, too.

But we must always stop at the precise boundaries of how an unsympathetic argument is framed when we try to knock it down, taking it merely literally instead of seriously in our objections.  This is how free speech expedites our coming together and why it is valuable in arriving at best solutions and next steps

https://twitter.com/CharlieEmma85/status/1351507371386949639?s=19
Build back better?

[Zirunel]

The ICUs still not over whelmed?

Any day now, I am sure.

For some,  it's already happened. For others it may never happen. We aren't all having the same experience of Covid, not by a long shot.