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Author Topic: Corporate Political Discrimination and Woke Censorship: Systemic Legal Change  (Read 1729 times)

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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

  Ever watch Fightclub and how they fixed "corporate" america?  That is probably a good way to get it done.

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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

Most of my left-leaning friends are all on board with limiting corporate power. So I would think the best way to approach this would be through grass-roots bipartisan effort to restrain all corporate power, regardless of whether it is woke or unwoke. Phrased as rights for employees and/or consumers against corporate power, there's potential for bipartisan support.

Democrats have introduced a number of bills to limit tech monopolies, including The American Choice and Innovation Online Act
; The Platform Competition and Opportunity Act of 2021; The Ending Platform Monopolies Act; The Augmenting Compatibility and Competition by Enabling Service Switching (ACCESS) Act of 2021; The Merger Filing Fee Modernization Act of 2021.

On the other hand, there are Republican state laws that narrowly try to force social media companies to host politicians -- notably Florida's SB 7072 and Texas' HB 20. However, those laws run directly afoul of the social media company's First Amendment right to control their own platform. The Texas law was just re-blocked by an unusual majority on the Supreme Court (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Sonia Sotomayor and Stephen Breyer).

I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.

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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

Most of my left-leaning friends are all on board with limiting corporate power. So I would think the best way to approach this would be through grass-roots bipartisan effort to restrain all corporate power, regardless of whether it is woke or unwoke. Phrased as rights for employees and/or consumers against corporate power, there's potential for bipartisan support.

Democrats have introduced a number of bills to limit tech monopolies, including The American Choice and Innovation Online Act
; The Platform Competition and Opportunity Act of 2021; The Ending Platform Monopolies Act; The Augmenting Compatibility and Competition by Enabling Service Switching (ACCESS) Act of 2021; The Merger Filing Fee Modernization Act of 2021.

On the other hand, there are Republican state laws that narrowly try to force social media companies to host politicians -- notably Florida's SB 7072 and Texas' HB 20. However, those laws run directly afoul of the social media company's First Amendment right to control their own platform. The Texas law was just re-blocked by an unusual majority on the Supreme Court (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, Sonia Sotomayor and Stephen Breyer).

I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.

And in the process giving even more power to the governments, because the governments have our best interests at heart and would never use those extended powers to fuck over the average Joe right?
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I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.

And in the process giving even more power to the governments, because the governments have our best interests at heart and would never use those extended powers to fuck over the average Joe right?

This presumes an either/or choice. But the more usual choice, government currently is being used to support giant corporations -- and corporations in turn are supporting government. Monopolies and corruption mean more power for *both* corporations and corporation-supported government.

Pushing the government to stop supporting corporations is reform that gives more power to the average Joe. Obviously, we can't turn around corporate power instantly, but the more people push for it, the more we will get.

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I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.

And in the process giving even more power to the governments, because the governments have our best interests at heart and would never use those extended powers to fuck over the average Joe right?

This presumes an either/or choice. But the more usual choice, government currently is being used to support giant corporations -- and corporations in turn are supporting government. Monopolies and corruption mean more power for *both* corporations and corporation-supported government.

Pushing the government to stop supporting corporations is reform that gives more power to the average Joe. Obviously, we can't turn around corporate power instantly, but the more people push for it, the more we will get.

By giving the government MORE power to "stop supporting the corporations". Dude EVERY regulation is pushed by THE CORPORATIONS to stop the average Joe from ever competing with them.

Your ONLY hope would be to enact free speech laws that extend to the internet and bussines stoping them from punishing you for your speech. And making political affiliation protected like religion.

And for that to be done properly you'd need to throw out ALL the boomers in your legislatures and elect tech savvy people. Honest and principled tech savvy people. Good luck with that.
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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....
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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

So, I think the point of the thread is what if anything should be done via law or political/bureaucratic organizing regarding corporate political discrimination and woke censorship. Admittedly, as shown by the woke part, I was thinking that corporate political discrimination and censorship were mostly done by the left. That said, if you've got ideas on what to do about or how to ban and/or reduce censorship and political discrimination by corporations on both sides, and want to make your case, go for it. If you've got examples of either of these specific things on both sides, bring 'em up.

For me personally, I don't really like all the canceling back and forths that occur as a result of minor or individual instances and are then amplified to become allegedly the core of what a person or brand represents. Though I understand Conservatives wanting to fight back  in a culture war where they may feel they are just expected to lie down and take the pain. And also that capitalism to some extent allows mass desertion of a brand when it loses cultural value. (Much though I fear market capture may be trending up for ideologies, rather than efficiencies.) And corporate political discrimination against even the left like refusing key services because probable Biden supporter seems very, very sketch to me. Because first  they come for the Xs, then the Ys, and then me. And also because I believe in equal application of the law, and as noted previously I think Political Affiliation should maybe be made to some extent a protected class.

(It's probably not bad taste to post on one's own thread if partly clarifying, right?)
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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

  Ever watch Fightclub and how they fixed "corporate" america?  That is probably a good way to get it done.

Concur.

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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

Last I heard Colin kapernick was saying that playing professional football was like being on the slave plantation so...your welcome?
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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

Last I heard Colin kapernick was saying that playing professional football was like being on the slave plantation so...your welcome?

It's funny how he claims to be cancelled for taking a knee when all the other idiots that did/do the same don't get fired.

Dude is a washed up third rate QB. He knew his career was over and switched to a more profitable one, selling racism.
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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

So, I think the point of the thread is what if anything should be done via law or political/bureaucratic organizing regarding corporate political discrimination and woke censorship. Admittedly, as shown by the woke part, I was thinking that corporate political discrimination and censorship were mostly done by the left. That said, if you've got ideas on what to do about or how to ban and/or reduce censorship and political discrimination by corporations on both sides, and want to make your case, go for it. If you've got examples of either of these specific things on both sides, bring 'em up.

For me personally, I don't really like all the canceling back and forths that occur as a result of minor or individual instances and are then amplified to become allegedly the core of what a person or brand represents. Though I understand Conservatives wanting to fight back  in a culture war where they may feel they are just expected to lie down and take the pain.

'Pain? '

What 'pain'?

The pain of finally being told they can't have everything their way all the time any more? The pain of no longer being allowed to criminalize other people's personal lives?  The pain on no longer getting to make their religion the law of the land?  The pain of other people having the same rights they do?

If that's painful to them, they need to secede from America. Take the old confed states,  hell take Utah too, and secede.  (I'd let them have utah just to watch the Baptist majority in their new country try persecuting the mormons and having a civil war. )

Now with the shit they're pulling thru the first stacked scotus, it may come to them being forced out of America  in a new civil war.
Fuck the fascist right and the fascist left.

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Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

Well, for starts, I think that we should identify and limit the efforts of billionaires to push for political ans social change by funding anti-American groups like how Soros and Zuckerberg have funded Antifa and BLM. A lot of the politically motivated violence of the last ten years can be traced back to their funding efforts.
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Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

So, I think the point of the thread is what if anything should be done via law or political/bureaucratic organizing regarding corporate political discrimination and woke censorship. Admittedly, as shown by the woke part, I was thinking that corporate political discrimination and censorship were mostly done by the left. That said, if you've got ideas on what to do about or how to ban and/or reduce censorship and political discrimination by corporations on both sides, and want to make your case, go for it. If you've got examples of either of these specific things on both sides, bring 'em up.

For me personally, I don't really like all the canceling back and forths that occur as a result of minor or individual instances and are then amplified to become allegedly the core of what a person or brand represents. Though I understand Conservatives wanting to fight back  in a culture war where they may feel they are just expected to lie down and take the pain.

'Pain? '

What 'pain'?

The pain of finally being told they can't have everything their way all the time any more? The pain of no longer being allowed to criminalize other people's personal lives?  The pain on no longer getting to make their religion the law of the land?  The pain of other people having the same rights they do?

If that's painful to them, they need to secede from America. Take the old confed states,  hell take Utah too, and secede.  (I'd let them have utah just to watch the Baptist majority in their new country try persecuting the mormons and having a civil war. )

Now with the shit they're pulling thru the first stacked scotus, it may come to them being forced out of America  in a new civil war.
But enough about liberals and wokeists, what do you think of conservatives and libertarians?

(Seriously, -every one of those complaints you stated is one that can be leveled at the modern left-.)