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Corporate Political Discrimination and Woke Censorship: Systemic Legal Change

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jhkim:

--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:39:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: jhkim on June 29, 2022, 06:18:51 PM ---I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.
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And in the process giving even more power to the governments, because the governments have our best interests at heart and would never use those extended powers to fuck over the average Joe right?
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This presumes an either/or choice. But the more usual choice, government currently is being used to support giant corporations -- and corporations in turn are supporting government. Monopolies and corruption mean more power for *both* corporations and corporation-supported government.

Pushing the government to stop supporting corporations is reform that gives more power to the average Joe. Obviously, we can't turn around corporate power instantly, but the more people push for it, the more we will get.

GeekyBugle:

--- Quote from: jhkim on June 29, 2022, 08:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: GeekyBugle on June 29, 2022, 06:39:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: jhkim on June 29, 2022, 06:18:51 PM ---I think generally limiting corporate power is bipartisan - but trying to narrowly carve out limits only certain purposes is likely to be more partisan and harder to get support for.
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And in the process giving even more power to the governments, because the governments have our best interests at heart and would never use those extended powers to fuck over the average Joe right?
--- End quote ---

This presumes an either/or choice. But the more usual choice, government currently is being used to support giant corporations -- and corporations in turn are supporting government. Monopolies and corruption mean more power for *both* corporations and corporation-supported government.

Pushing the government to stop supporting corporations is reform that gives more power to the average Joe. Obviously, we can't turn around corporate power instantly, but the more people push for it, the more we will get.

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By giving the government MORE power to "stop supporting the corporations". Dude EVERY regulation is pushed by THE CORPORATIONS to stop the average Joe from ever competing with them.

Your ONLY hope would be to enact free speech laws that extend to the internet and bussines stoping them from punishing you for your speech. And making political affiliation protected like religion.

And for that to be done properly you'd need to throw out ALL the boomers in your legislatures and elect tech savvy people. Honest and principled tech savvy people. Good luck with that.

Battlemaster:
Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

KindaMeh:

--- Quote from: Battlemaster on June 29, 2022, 09:12:55 PM ---Yeah, I was just curious as to how all the anti woke, anti cancel culture, anti censorship, pro free speech types here felt about Kathy Griffin being canceled for her posing with the Trump mask, or Colin kapernick being canceled for taking a knee unlike time tebow, or when the dixie chicks were canceled for disagreeing with W, or....

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So, I think the point of the thread is what if anything should be done via law or political/bureaucratic organizing regarding corporate political discrimination and woke censorship. Admittedly, as shown by the woke part, I was thinking that corporate political discrimination and censorship were mostly done by the left. That said, if you've got ideas on what to do about or how to ban and/or reduce censorship and political discrimination by corporations on both sides, and want to make your case, go for it. If you've got examples of either of these specific things on both sides, bring 'em up.

For me personally, I don't really like all the canceling back and forths that occur as a result of minor or individual instances and are then amplified to become allegedly the core of what a person or brand represents. Though I understand Conservatives wanting to fight back  in a culture war where they may feel they are just expected to lie down and take the pain. And also that capitalism to some extent allows mass desertion of a brand when it loses cultural value. (Much though I fear market capture may be trending up for ideologies, rather than efficiencies.) And corporate political discrimination against even the left like refusing key services because probable Biden supporter seems very, very sketch to me. Because first  they come for the Xs, then the Ys, and then me. And also because I believe in equal application of the law, and as noted previously I think Political Affiliation should maybe be made to some extent a protected class.

(It's probably not bad taste to post on one's own thread if partly clarifying, right?)

Zelen:

--- Quote from: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 04:03:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 11:38:41 AM ---Can/Should change to these issues be effected through political, bureaucratic, or grass roots voter initiative means? If so, how to avoid innate problems with the bureaucracy, political system, and the like? How to avoid stepping on legitimate liberties or free market rights while doing so?

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  Ever watch Fightclub and how they fixed "corporate" america?  That is probably a good way to get it done.

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Concur.

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