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Title: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 10, 2020, 03:18:08 AM
Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence program discusses AG Barr sending out Federal Prosecutors from the DOJ throughout the country to investigate Election fraud and corruption!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 11, 2020, 08:01:08 AM
And when I see an actual indictment, I'll get excited. Until then, Barr is just one more time-server.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 02:12:38 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 12, 2020, 02:18:54 PM
And when I see an actual indictment, I'll get excited. Until then, Barr is just one more time-server.

Greetings!

Yeah, I'm not overly enthusiastic about AG Barr. I hope that the investigations are very sharp and thorough!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 12, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.

Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence is a good program, I think. I like the program. As far as having more religious fundamentalists? Yeah, that's awesome, too! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 04:18:59 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.

Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence is a good program, I think. I like the program. As far as having more religious fundamentalists? Yeah, that's awesome, too! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Scary.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Brad on November 12, 2020, 04:34:09 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.

I agree, we need more religious people instead of all these Satanist pedophiles and atheistic assholes without a shred of morals.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: jhkim on November 12, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.

I agree, we need more religious people instead of all these Satanist pedophiles and atheistic assholes without a shred of morals.

Hey, now. Plenty of Satanists *are* religious. They don't all just show up for Black Sabbath and coffee hour. :D

http://www.yelmonline.com/news/article_cc728fec-6011-11ea-ab9b-af2684fcb201.html
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 04:52:52 PM
LOL at Conservative Resurgence. Just what we need, more religious fundamentalists.

I agree, we need more religious people instead of all these Satanist pedophiles and atheistic assholes without a shred of morals.

You and Shark do realize, I hope, that there are other religions than Christianity? There are fundamentalists of all stripes...so I'm hoping you're including Muslims and Jews and Buddhists etc in your hope for more fundamentalists.

Plenty of atheists have morals. They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 12, 2020, 04:58:37 PM
And when I see an actual indictment, I'll get excited. Until then, Barr is just one more time-server.

Greetings!

Ghostmaker, what do you think of Conservative Resurgence's commentary in the video?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: HappyDaze on November 12, 2020, 05:02:04 PM
and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.
I'm pretty sure our ultra-Conservative SHARK will never accept that.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: EOTB on November 12, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
[They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

It also requires exiling people who aren’t willing to continue changing to whatever the change-deciders have now decided we must change to.

Because otherwise you’d still be posting at TBP
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Spinachcat on November 12, 2020, 05:47:42 PM
As we've seen throughout history - most recently with SJWs and with communists in the previous century - there is no need for any religion when creating truly insane "religious" fundamentalists. "Religion" doesn't need deities anymore. The state works just fine, or "social media consensus".

And the idea that "humans change" is nice, but doubtful. For all the years of mandatory education and the bazillions spent on schools, it's very questionable that our citizens are more informed, more logical, more capable or less prone to "fundamentalism" than the citizens of 200 years ago.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Brad on November 12, 2020, 05:48:47 PM
Plenty of atheists have morals. They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron. Not that it should matter, but being explicit since you're borderline retarded it seems.
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

"Desert nomads" - This is the sort of nonsense that pseudo-intellectuals spout. It's based on pure sophistry and lack of true education. Maybe read a book?
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: HappyDaze on November 12, 2020, 05:53:12 PM
Plenty of atheists have morals. They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron. Not that it should matter, but being explicit since you're borderline retarded it seems.
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

"Desert nomads" - This is the sort of nonsense that pseudo-intellectuals spout. It's based on pure sophistry and lack of true education. Maybe read a book?
Oh, "true morality" eh? I guess we're all going to be stuck with the No True Morality fallacy then.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Garry G on November 12, 2020, 05:59:52 PM
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Spinachcat on November 12, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron.

Does that mean if we throw you down the well, our people will be free? :)

What if we slowly lowered you down the well? Would we slowly become free?

BTW, "I'm Jewish, you fucking moron" has to be spoken in Juggernaut voice.


2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

I disagree, but I want to hear your explanation.

I don't see much morality present in the history of humanity - especially pre-Enlightenment - and we've had omniscient deities since the cave dudes stared into the sun. Even the threat of everlasting damnation can't keep humans from being douchenozzles. To me, morality appears to be an individual choice.

But definitely fuck postmodernism. It's a grotesque boil on civilization's ass.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 10:11:59 PM
[They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

It also requires exiling people who aren’t willing to continue changing to whatever the change-deciders have now decided we must change to.

Because otherwise you’d still be posting at TBP

Here's a common problem I've seen exhibited by a lot on this site: the equation of SJWs = all Democrats = all people on the left (or left of conservatism) = Socialists = Marxists = Communists.

Those categories have some overlap some of the time, but not always. Just as some on the left categorize all on the right as alt-right and/or fundies. And the left is more ideological diverse than the right.

TBP is run by SJW ideologues - people who are extremely intolerant of any differing views, including those on the left who don't adhere to their groupthink. It is not representative of the left as a whole, but is instead a relative minority who complain loudly. I see it as the Ctrl-Left to the Alt-Right, and just as the latter only represents a minority of right-wingers, so too do the Ctrl-Left only represent a minority of left-wingers.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 10:20:33 PM
Plenty of atheists have morals. They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron. Not that it should matter, but being explicit since you're borderline retarded it seems.
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

"Desert nomads" - This is the sort of nonsense that pseudo-intellectuals spout. It's based on pure sophistry and lack of true education. Maybe read a book?

I'm guessing the irony of calling me "borderline retarded" and then making a statement like your second point is lost on you. "Indisputable fact"...that is absurd.

Atheism is not antithetical to morality, it just doesn't base it on theism or a system of metaphysical belief. Have you never heard of secular humanism (for instance)? Atheists tend to base their morality on rationality - what is right and good for a given group of people. It isn't based upon tradition--what we learned in Sunday school that has been passed down for thousands of years--but what makes sense, using rational thinking.

There are many forms of morality, with different bases. Many of them are not based upon belief in God. Buddhism, for example, includes a range of forms, but most are non-theistic and far less violence has been committed in the name of Buddhism than almost any other religion. Buddhism emphasizes compassion, which is the result of spiritual awakening - and again, no "omniscient God" needed.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: oggsmash on November 12, 2020, 10:29:45 PM
 Are you the sort of atheist who meets up with similar minded people on Sundays, or the atheist who sleeps in?  I always felt my lack of spiritual pursuit was a big plus sleeping in on Sunday mornings, and then I start hearing about atheists who want to meet up and get together, and discuss their lack of belief with like minded.....
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: oggsmash on November 12, 2020, 10:33:22 PM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Snowman0147 on November 12, 2020, 11:29:44 PM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 12, 2020, 11:42:56 PM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Funny.

First off, I didn't say that I was an atheist. I don't believe in the anthropomorphic deity of Abrahamic religions, but I am not an atheist. Probably the closest philosophical outlook with regards to God to mine is pantheism.

Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: EOTB on November 13, 2020, 03:03:14 AM
[They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

It also requires exiling people who aren’t willing to continue changing to whatever the change-deciders have now decided we must change to.

Because otherwise you’d still be posting at TBP

Here's a common problem I've seen exhibited by a lot on this site: the equation of SJWs = all Democrats = all people on the left (or left of conservatism) = Socialists = Marxists = Communists.

Those categories have some overlap some of the time, but not always. Just as some on the left categorize all on the right as alt-right and/or fundies. And the left is more ideological diverse than the right.

TBP is run by SJW ideologues - people who are extremely intolerant of any differing views, including those on the left who don't adhere to their groupthink. It is not representative of the left as a whole, but is instead a relative minority who complain loudly. I see it as the Ctrl-Left to the Alt-Right, and just as the latter only represents a minority of right-wingers, so too do the Ctrl-Left only represent a minority of left-wingers.

Buddy, the left as a whole is present on much more than TBP.  Exile/blacklist is very much a core tenant of today's leftism.  It's all over the place.  Right now leftists are bobbing their heads in agreement with the idea that people who don't want a COVID vaccine should be prevented from accessing most of society.  The bare handfuls of leftists pushing back are the odds, not the majority.  You don't understand that the gravity well of the conform or be cast out crowd goes where the social power is.  They don't stem *from* a belief system, they accrete to any belief system that the "just tell me what to do" crowd are looking at in the present time.  The same people you remember as being christian assholes are now CTRL-left assholes.  And when Christianity has a social resurgence they will flock back to the churches and seek out positions of influence there.

A neat thing about this process is they can always attach their ilk's past deeds to the institution and use the flogging of that institution to gin up the process all over again in new real estate!

There is no philosophy that will break the basic human condition.  There are only the ones you wish could, and can pretend would, from within the white rooms of our own minds.  True libertarian socialism has never been tried, and all that.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: jeff37923 on November 13, 2020, 09:07:40 AM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

LaVeyan Satanism always did the trick for me.....
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: jeff37923 on November 13, 2020, 09:08:34 AM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.

In this day and age, I thought that Nurgle took precedence.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Snowman0147 on November 13, 2020, 09:14:46 AM
  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.

In this day and age, I thought that Nurgle took precedence.

How can you get big happy families if the leftists are too busy destroying the family unit?  First Khorne must wipe out the leftists.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Abraxus on November 13, 2020, 09:47:03 AM
Ia not a fan of either religious extremists of any kind. Whether they be Christians or Atheists or other religious zealots. I find many sometimes to be hypocritical when it comes to certain positions and/or topics. What gets me about Atheists is when they are very sick and close to dying suddenly they become the most religious people in the world. So much for not caring about any kind god...except when your life on the line. Then suddenly they believe in multiple gods across many pantheons. Yet once they don't die or get over a severe illness then "religion is for suckers and losers".
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 13, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
I find many sometimes to be hypocritical when it comes to certain positions and/or topics. What gets me about Atheists is when they are very sick and close to dying suddenly they become the most religious people in the world. So much for not caring about any kind god...except when your life on the line. Then suddenly they believe in multiple gods across many pantheons. Yet once they don't die or get over a severe illness then "religion is for suckers and losers".
That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 13, 2020, 10:05:03 AM
Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.
Neoliberals aren't hypercapitalists. They tend to be about low or no tariffs, globalism, and markets; but they're also about rent seeking, central banks, regulatory capture, and creating dependency. It's a mix of free market capitalism and socialism. I'm not sure what would qualify as "hyper", but 19th century US was closer to a pure capitalism than the last 100 years of statist intervention and central planning.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Abraxus on November 13, 2020, 10:36:42 AM
That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.

Can't go against the carefully constructed personal narrative I see as any anything that does is to be summarily ignored.

I had it happen only twice in my life. One to a cousin the other a friend. Hated religion and pretty much considered me naive for being a Catholic. One got Cancer the other major Cellulitis infection on both legs. So severe he was lucky they did not have to cut them off. The first passed away unfortunately as the Cancer was too far gone. The second just barely made it in time for the injections of antibiotics to have an effect. As his infection had progressed so much and so strong that oral antibiotics was usual.

Suddenly both went to church and had a new found respect for religion but hey whatever keep using the narrative as an excuse to ignore any opinions that differ from it. Somehow someone can become an atheist yet also not go back to being religious.

Rollin Rollin Rollin keep them NARRATIVES rollin RAWHIDE!
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 13, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.

Can't go against the carefully constructed personal narrative I see as any anything that does is to be summarily ignored.

I had it happen only twice in my life. One to a cousin the other a friend. Hated religion and pretty much considered me naive for being a Catholic. One got Cancer the other major Cellulitis infection on both legs. So severe he was lucky they did not have to cut them off. The first passed away unfortunately as the Cancer was too far gone. The second just barely made it in time for the injections of antibiotics to have an effect. As his infection had progressed so much and so strong that oral antibiotics was usual.

Suddenly both went to church and had a new found respect for religion but hey whatever keep using the narrative as an excuse to ignore any opinions that differ from it. I can do that too.
What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mordred Pendragon on November 13, 2020, 10:41:35 AM
As we've seen throughout history - most recently with SJWs and with communists in the previous century - there is no need for any religion when creating truly insane "religious" fundamentalists. "Religion" doesn't need deities anymore. The state works just fine, or "social media consensus".

And the idea that "humans change" is nice, but doubtful. For all the years of mandatory education and the bazillions spent on schools, it's very questionable that our citizens are more informed, more logical, more capable or less prone to "fundamentalism" than the citizens of 200 years ago.

This guy gets it.

A person is usually good. People as a whole are terrible.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Abraxus on November 13, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.

I never said it was factual. Yet in times of crisis and distress people who have become atheist may want to once again want to get some hope even through religion. You shot it down because someone can be an atheist yet refuse to believe that someone could go back to becoming religious. Why is it so hard to believe that one can happen yet not the other.

Why am I wasting my time as your not really willing to listen to any contrary opinion.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 13, 2020, 10:53:44 AM
What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.

I never said it was factual. Yet in times of crisis and distress people who have become atheist may want to once again want to get some hope even through religion. You shot it down because someone can be an atheist yet refuse to believe that someone could go back to becoming religious. Why is it so hard to believe that one can happen yet not the other.

Why am I wasting my time as your not really willing to listen to any contrary opinion.
What was factual? I have no idea what that's supposed to be a reference to.

Honestly, your posts make zero sense. I made a point, you posted word salad gibberish in reply, I questioned it, and now you're claiming I'm unwilling to listen to anything you said, even though I've made two posts where I'm actively asking you about what point you're trying to make, and I even acknowledged the only part of your post that made any sense, the anecdote.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 13, 2020, 11:11:56 AM
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?

That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Shasarak on November 13, 2020, 04:08:39 PM
That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index (https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index)

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Garry G on November 13, 2020, 04:58:08 PM
There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index (https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index)

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.

A secular country where there's a separation between religion and state and where religion is seen as a private concern ends up being in broad agreement with a generally peace loving religion. Seems like a positive story about the general morality of people whether they're religious or not. Quite heartwarming.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 13, 2020, 07:06:35 PM
Buddy, the left as a whole is present on much more than TBP.  Exile/blacklist is very much a core tenant of today's leftism.  It's all over the place.  Right now leftists are bobbing their heads in agreement with the idea that people who don't want a COVID vaccine should be prevented from accessing most of society.  The bare handfuls of leftists pushing back are the odds, not the majority.  You don't understand that the gravity well of the conform or be cast out crowd goes where the social power is.  They don't stem *from* a belief system, they accrete to any belief system that the "just tell me what to do" crowd are looking at in the present time.  The same people you remember as being christian assholes are now CTRL-left assholes.  And when Christianity has a social resurgence they will flock back to the churches and seek out positions of influence there.

A neat thing about this process is they can always attach their ilk's past deeds to the institution and use the flogging of that institution to gin up the process all over again in new real estate!

There is no philosophy that will break the basic human condition.  There are only the ones you wish could, and can pretend would, from within the white rooms of our own minds.  True libertarian socialism has never been tried, and all that.

Yeah, it's a virus that has infected the left, but not only is there a wide spectrum in terms of "woke adherence" but it is debatable how many lefties actually buy into it. If you believe folks here, everyone on the left is a rabid woke fascist, but that isn't my experience with interacting with actual lefties, or listening to leftist pundits. A lot of folks are sick of cancel culture, think MeToo went off the rails, etc. There's a vocal and sizeable group of true believers, but they are a minority.

The problem is that people are too afraid to speak honestly because of backlash - and that vocal minority wields influence that is not commensurate with their numbers.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Mercurius on November 13, 2020, 07:11:50 PM
Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.
Neoliberals aren't hypercapitalists. They tend to be about low or no tariffs, globalism, and markets; but they're also about rent seeking, central banks, regulatory capture, and creating dependency. It's a mix of free market capitalism and socialism. I'm not sure what would qualify as "hyper", but 19th century US was closer to a pure capitalism than the last 100 years of statist intervention and central planning.

Maybe. I would suggest that neoliberals just work within the context, and find ways to use those systems to maximize their profits and agenda. Just as Republican politicians pretend they're regular people, they're really mostly very rich people that manipulate their base for their neocon agenda, so too are Democratic republicans essentially profit-oriented and use identity politics and faux-progressivism to get their agenda across. Both wings serve mega-corporations and their CEOs, the military industrial complex, etc.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Shasarak on November 13, 2020, 08:01:39 PM
There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index (https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index)

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.

A secular country where there's a separation between religion and state and where religion is seen as a private concern ends up being in broad agreement with a generally peace loving religion. Seems like a positive story about the general morality of people whether they're religious or not. Quite heartwarming.

Thats true, which is why it is ironic that Muslims can come and find the "promised land" so to speak.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 14, 2020, 03:23:40 AM
Maybe. I would suggest that neoliberals just work within the context, and find ways to use those systems to maximize their profits and agenda. Just as Republican politicians pretend they're regular people, they're really mostly very rich people that manipulate their base for their neocon agenda, so too are Democratic republicans essentially profit-oriented and use identity politics and faux-progressivism to get their agenda across. Both wings serve mega-corporations and their CEOs, the military industrial complex, etc.
Agreed about working within context. These are rich and influential people using the apparatus of government to backstop their own risks (the whole finance sector), put up barriers that favor established industries and keep out newcomers (industry regulatory agencies and lobbying), and ensure easy money to prop up zombie businesses (the Fed). Not any real distinction between Republicans and Democrats, though; social issues tend to be cosmetic. But the industry titans serve the politicians more than the other way around, because the politicians and bureaucrats have the power to make laws, enforce the laws, and even adjudicate many regulations. The businesses have to pay to play, and can be readily replaced if they get out of line.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 16, 2020, 04:47:28 PM
Greetings!

The Dan Bongino program discusses voter fraud, and many problems with Dominion Software. Also revelations made by lawyer Sidney Powell, of the Trump team over the weekend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 16, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
Greetings!

Real Clear Investigations also discovers fraud with the use of Dominion software in Georgia elections--similar to the same kind of fraud in Pennsylvania.

Oh, but there's no evidence of fraud! Reeee! Reee!

Fucking traitors. They all need to fucking burn!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: tenbones on November 16, 2020, 05:35:26 PM
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?

That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

That is a tremendously reductionist (and hotly debated) view of Nietzsche. Nietzche's perspective on "God id Dead" is often argued as an affirmation of morality and ethics and a rejection of nihilism of 'atheism' - because notion of 'atheism' itself is post-modern. I.E. "Atheism" as it was "banged about" back then - even today in many circles - is self-referential *typically* to the Abrahamic traditions. But only in modernity have people tried to include "all religion" (obviously) under its umbrella. But at that point it becomes an unnecessary term.

One isn't a-Voodoo, or a-alchemy, for instance.

The notion of the Ubermench which follows the conceits of "God is Dead" is the acknowledgement that ethics and morality in their highest form ultimately comes from the individual's capacity to understand and ACT upon them. This can be misinterpreted by those that don't understand the deeper ramifications of this idea as "Everyone makes their own morality" - which is clearly ridiculous, but it also is what most people think it means. That is how the idea was misused by the Nazi's and pretty much everyone that has ever justified bad ideas with Nietzsche

My view has always been: People are eternally ignorant, fearful and stupid. They're *DOOMED* to their egoic pretentious (and fallacious) beliefs about the world and repeat the worst aspects of their beliefs until it causes catastrophe. They *live* in the Platonic Cave much like the metaphor of the Cave describes. The Ubermensch is the individual that turns away from the shadows on the wall, and must wrestle with the higher truth they "realize" (but was always there - Absolute Morality/Ethics) - but they themselves are only human and limited in their own capacity to apprehend what they encounter, but they go back to the cave to woo others out. Some go, but the remainders stay, and kill the Ubermensch, because he is a threat to their tiny ignorant bubble.

Those that go out - will eventually rise in their own conception of reality. Make a better place - that one day *will* become a new "Cave" albeit a more comfortable one. Which will calcify and degrade because we lose sight of what is important (that pesky higher Morality and Ethics thing). And we create shadows to watch on walls (or our phones and screens) until someone walks out of that cave... to "rediscover" the higher truth. (Which never left... it was always there, but since we've receded again, it has to be re-learned).

Incremental material (and less conscious) progress until we either go extinct or we get over the worse aspects of our collective issues (which seems unlikely unless we go full cyborg - or everyone starts pounding psychedelics).  Meanwhile we'll allow ourselves to be consumed by superstitions, shadows representing truth, and that serpent in the garden, named Ego. They'll all take different forms, but they'll do the same damage as they always have in civilizations of the past. Only bigger and better (which means worse).
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 18, 2020, 05:41:19 AM
Greetings!

Seems like there is more fraud and BS going on in the Georgia voter audit. Geesus.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Pat on November 18, 2020, 10:52:15 AM
I know very little about counting votes, but what exactly is the point of a recount like this? It sounds like they're literally just repeating the process of counting the votes, in the same place, with the same people, and with the same precautions. If that's what they're doing, that won't uncover any bias or fraud. They'll get exactly the same result every time, within the margin of human error. Which explains why recounts never change anything.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start with a spot check, where they pick a few precincts that might be suspect, and then randomly pick a few more as a control, and then have everyone originally involved go through the same process they did the first time, except this time they bring in outsiders from both parties to repeat and thus validate every single step? I.e. no "observers" -- have every last vote handed from the original counter, to an outside member of the red party, and then to an outside member of the blue party. Tally up the results separately, and then compare them to the original results. That would allow them to vet exactly how the procedures differ from precinct to precinct, and by comparing the original vote count with the second closely watched count, and the two outside counts, they'd have a real chance of spotting unequal treatment or fraud. And if that unearths widespread problems, then the state should either do a full recount with a completely different crew under much more stringent conditions, or refuse to certify the vote.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: Steven Mitchell on November 18, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
I know very little about counting votes, but what exactly is the point of a recount like this? It sounds like they're literally just repeating the process of counting the votes, in the same place, with the same people, and with the same precautions. If that's what they're doing, that won't uncover any bias or fraud. They'll get exactly the same result every time, within the margin of human error. Which explains why recounts never change anything.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start with a spot check, where they pick a few precincts that might be suspect, and then randomly pick a few more as a control, and then have everyone originally involved go through the same process they did the first time, except this time they bring in outsiders from both parties to repeat and thus validate every single step? I.e. no "observers" -- have every last vote handed from the original counter, to an outside member of the red party, and then to an outside member of the blue party. Tally up the results separately, and then compare them to the original results. That would allow them to vet exactly how the procedures differ from precinct to precinct, and by comparing the original vote count with the second closely watched count, and the two outside counts, they'd have a real chance of spotting unequal treatment or fraud. And if that unearths widespread problems, then the state should either do a full recount with a completely different crew under much more stringent conditions, or refuse to certify the vote.

That only makes sense if you assume that the process is designed to find fraud.  It is not.  It is designed so that bureaucrats can check off that they went through the procedure.

That is pretty much a microcosm of the whole "credential" shell game played constantly by some on this site.
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: KingCheops on November 18, 2020, 11:05:14 AM
Nothing like threatening someone's kids to indicate that it is a "free and fair" election.

One observer saw something stupid like 10,000 Biden to 13 Trump.  Results signed off by 2 officials.  When they actually looked it was about 2000 Biden to 13 Trump.  That's not an error -- the process is corrupt.

Edit:  here's the twit thread:

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1329062200737148932 (https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1329062200737148932)
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
Nothing like threatening someone's kids to indicate that it is a "free and fair" election.

One observer saw something stupid like 10,000 Biden to 13 Trump.  Results signed off by 2 officials.  When they actually looked it was about 2000 Biden to 13 Trump.  That's not an error -- the process is corrupt.

Edit:  here's the twit thread:

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1329062200737148932 (https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1329062200737148932)

Greetings!

That's right, King Cheops. It's just fine that good Liberal Democrats threaten people's kids so as to vote the way they want them to. They LOVE you, my friend! They want us all to have "Unity and Healing", King Cheops!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2020, 01:18:23 AM
I know very little about counting votes, but what exactly is the point of a recount like this? It sounds like they're literally just repeating the process of counting the votes, in the same place, with the same people, and with the same precautions. If that's what they're doing, that won't uncover any bias or fraud. They'll get exactly the same result every time, within the margin of human error. Which explains why recounts never change anything.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start with a spot check, where they pick a few precincts that might be suspect, and then randomly pick a few more as a control, and then have everyone originally involved go through the same process they did the first time, except this time they bring in outsiders from both parties to repeat and thus validate every single step? I.e. no "observers" -- have every last vote handed from the original counter, to an outside member of the red party, and then to an outside member of the blue party. Tally up the results separately, and then compare them to the original results. That would allow them to vet exactly how the procedures differ from precinct to precinct, and by comparing the original vote count with the second closely watched count, and the two outside counts, they'd have a real chance of spotting unequal treatment or fraud. And if that unearths widespread problems, then the state should either do a full recount with a completely different crew under much more stringent conditions, or refuse to certify the vote.

That only makes sense if you assume that the process is designed to find fraud.  It is not.  It is designed so that bureaucrats can check off that they went through the procedure.

That is pretty much a microcosm of the whole "credential" shell game played constantly by some on this site.

Greetings!

So true, Steven Mitchell!

The "Credential" shell game...I love your assessment there!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2020, 02:51:12 AM
Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence discusses more revelations that make the electoral process in Georgia, Michigan, and other states, as well as the Dominion Voting Software very suspicious!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Conservative Resurgence Discusses DOJ Launching Investigations of Election Fraud
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2020, 03:03:18 AM
Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence program discusses more fraud, more irregularities, suspicious activity, oh--and threats and intimidation by Liberal Democrats towards Republican Canvass Officials in Michigan.

Voter Intimidation is a crime!

Oh, but there's no evidence of fraud, right?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK