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That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.

Can't go against the carefully constructed personal narrative I see as any anything that does is to be summarily ignored.

I had it happen only twice in my life. One to a cousin the other a friend. Hated religion and pretty much considered me naive for being a Catholic. One got Cancer the other major Cellulitis infection on both legs. So severe he was lucky they did not have to cut them off. The first passed away unfortunately as the Cancer was too far gone. The second just barely made it in time for the injections of antibiotics to have an effect. As his infection had progressed so much and so strong that oral antibiotics was usual.

Suddenly both went to church and had a new found respect for religion but hey whatever keep using the narrative as an excuse to ignore any opinions that differ from it. Somehow someone can become an atheist yet also not go back to being religious.

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That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.

Can't go against the carefully constructed personal narrative I see as any anything that does is to be summarily ignored.

I had it happen only twice in my life. One to a cousin the other a friend. Hated religion and pretty much considered me naive for being a Catholic. One got Cancer the other major Cellulitis infection on both legs. So severe he was lucky they did not have to cut them off. The first passed away unfortunately as the Cancer was too far gone. The second just barely made it in time for the injections of antibiotics to have an effect. As his infection had progressed so much and so strong that oral antibiotics was usual.

Suddenly both went to church and had a new found respect for religion but hey whatever keep using the narrative as an excuse to ignore any opinions that differ from it. I can do that too.
What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.

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As we've seen throughout history - most recently with SJWs and with communists in the previous century - there is no need for any religion when creating truly insane "religious" fundamentalists. "Religion" doesn't need deities anymore. The state works just fine, or "social media consensus".

And the idea that "humans change" is nice, but doubtful. For all the years of mandatory education and the bazillions spent on schools, it's very questionable that our citizens are more informed, more logical, more capable or less prone to "fundamentalism" than the citizens of 200 years ago.

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What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.

I never said it was factual. Yet in times of crisis and distress people who have become atheist may want to once again want to get some hope even through religion. You shot it down because someone can be an atheist yet refuse to believe that someone could go back to becoming religious. Why is it so hard to believe that one can happen yet not the other.

Why am I wasting my time as your not really willing to listen to any contrary opinion.

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What narrative? I have no idea what you're talking about. You provided a personal anecdote, but the rest of your post seems to be some kind of bizarre rant based on who knows what.

I never said it was factual. Yet in times of crisis and distress people who have become atheist may want to once again want to get some hope even through religion. You shot it down because someone can be an atheist yet refuse to believe that someone could go back to becoming religious. Why is it so hard to believe that one can happen yet not the other.

Why am I wasting my time as your not really willing to listen to any contrary opinion.
What was factual? I have no idea what that's supposed to be a reference to.

Honestly, your posts make zero sense. I made a point, you posted word salad gibberish in reply, I questioned it, and now you're claiming I'm unwilling to listen to anything you said, even though I've made two posts where I'm actively asking you about what point you're trying to make, and I even acknowledged the only part of your post that made any sense, the anecdote.

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2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?

That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead
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That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.
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There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.

A secular country where there's a separation between religion and state and where religion is seen as a private concern ends up being in broad agreement with a generally peace loving religion. Seems like a positive story about the general morality of people whether they're religious or not. Quite heartwarming.
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Buddy, the left as a whole is present on much more than TBP.  Exile/blacklist is very much a core tenant of today's leftism.  It's all over the place.  Right now leftists are bobbing their heads in agreement with the idea that people who don't want a COVID vaccine should be prevented from accessing most of society.  The bare handfuls of leftists pushing back are the odds, not the majority.  You don't understand that the gravity well of the conform or be cast out crowd goes where the social power is.  They don't stem *from* a belief system, they accrete to any belief system that the "just tell me what to do" crowd are looking at in the present time.  The same people you remember as being christian assholes are now CTRL-left assholes.  And when Christianity has a social resurgence they will flock back to the churches and seek out positions of influence there.

A neat thing about this process is they can always attach their ilk's past deeds to the institution and use the flogging of that institution to gin up the process all over again in new real estate!

There is no philosophy that will break the basic human condition.  There are only the ones you wish could, and can pretend would, from within the white rooms of our own minds.  True libertarian socialism has never been tried, and all that.

Yeah, it's a virus that has infected the left, but not only is there a wide spectrum in terms of "woke adherence" but it is debatable how many lefties actually buy into it. If you believe folks here, everyone on the left is a rabid woke fascist, but that isn't my experience with interacting with actual lefties, or listening to leftist pundits. A lot of folks are sick of cancel culture, think MeToo went off the rails, etc. There's a vocal and sizeable group of true believers, but they are a minority.

The problem is that people are too afraid to speak honestly because of backlash - and that vocal minority wields influence that is not commensurate with their numbers.

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Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.
Neoliberals aren't hypercapitalists. They tend to be about low or no tariffs, globalism, and markets; but they're also about rent seeking, central banks, regulatory capture, and creating dependency. It's a mix of free market capitalism and socialism. I'm not sure what would qualify as "hyper", but 19th century US was closer to a pure capitalism than the last 100 years of statist intervention and central planning.

Maybe. I would suggest that neoliberals just work within the context, and find ways to use those systems to maximize their profits and agenda. Just as Republican politicians pretend they're regular people, they're really mostly very rich people that manipulate their base for their neocon agenda, so too are Democratic republicans essentially profit-oriented and use identity politics and faux-progressivism to get their agenda across. Both wings serve mega-corporations and their CEOs, the military industrial complex, etc.

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There was an article this month which ranked NZ as being the most Islamic country in the world

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/123197239/new-zealand-ranked-the-most-islamic-country-in-the-world-in-annual-index

Strangely the top country listed that is an actual Islamic country United Arab Emirates ranks 44.

But somehow it is all subjective.

A secular country where there's a separation between religion and state and where religion is seen as a private concern ends up being in broad agreement with a generally peace loving religion. Seems like a positive story about the general morality of people whether they're religious or not. Quite heartwarming.

Thats true, which is why it is ironic that Muslims can come and find the "promised land" so to speak.
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Maybe. I would suggest that neoliberals just work within the context, and find ways to use those systems to maximize their profits and agenda. Just as Republican politicians pretend they're regular people, they're really mostly very rich people that manipulate their base for their neocon agenda, so too are Democratic republicans essentially profit-oriented and use identity politics and faux-progressivism to get their agenda across. Both wings serve mega-corporations and their CEOs, the military industrial complex, etc.
Agreed about working within context. These are rich and influential people using the apparatus of government to backstop their own risks (the whole finance sector), put up barriers that favor established industries and keep out newcomers (industry regulatory agencies and lobbying), and ensure easy money to prop up zombie businesses (the Fed). Not any real distinction between Republicans and Democrats, though; social issues tend to be cosmetic. But the industry titans serve the politicians more than the other way around, because the politicians and bureaucrats have the power to make laws, enforce the laws, and even adjudicate many regulations. The businesses have to pay to play, and can be readily replaced if they get out of line.

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Greetings!

The Dan Bongino program discusses voter fraud, and many problems with Dominion Software. Also revelations made by lawyer Sidney Powell, of the Trump team over the weekend.

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Greetings!

Real Clear Investigations also discovers fraud with the use of Dominion software in Georgia elections--similar to the same kind of fraud in Pennsylvania.

Oh, but there's no evidence of fraud! Reeee! Reee!

Fucking traitors. They all need to fucking burn!

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"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
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2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?

That's an old chestnut. The idea is between objective and subjective morality. So it goes, if you get to make up your own morality, you can justify all kind of things.
It's one of the things Nietzsche banged on about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

That is a tremendously reductionist (and hotly debated) view of Nietzsche. Nietzche's perspective on "God id Dead" is often argued as an affirmation of morality and ethics and a rejection of nihilism of 'atheism' - because notion of 'atheism' itself is post-modern. I.E. "Atheism" as it was "banged about" back then - even today in many circles - is self-referential *typically* to the Abrahamic traditions. But only in modernity have people tried to include "all religion" (obviously) under its umbrella. But at that point it becomes an unnecessary term.

One isn't a-Voodoo, or a-alchemy, for instance.

The notion of the Ubermench which follows the conceits of "God is Dead" is the acknowledgement that ethics and morality in their highest form ultimately comes from the individual's capacity to understand and ACT upon them. This can be misinterpreted by those that don't understand the deeper ramifications of this idea as "Everyone makes their own morality" - which is clearly ridiculous, but it also is what most people think it means. That is how the idea was misused by the Nazi's and pretty much everyone that has ever justified bad ideas with Nietzsche

My view has always been: People are eternally ignorant, fearful and stupid. They're *DOOMED* to their egoic pretentious (and fallacious) beliefs about the world and repeat the worst aspects of their beliefs until it causes catastrophe. They *live* in the Platonic Cave much like the metaphor of the Cave describes. The Ubermensch is the individual that turns away from the shadows on the wall, and must wrestle with the higher truth they "realize" (but was always there - Absolute Morality/Ethics) - but they themselves are only human and limited in their own capacity to apprehend what they encounter, but they go back to the cave to woo others out. Some go, but the remainders stay, and kill the Ubermensch, because he is a threat to their tiny ignorant bubble.

Those that go out - will eventually rise in their own conception of reality. Make a better place - that one day *will* become a new "Cave" albeit a more comfortable one. Which will calcify and degrade because we lose sight of what is important (that pesky higher Morality and Ethics thing). And we create shadows to watch on walls (or our phones and screens) until someone walks out of that cave... to "rediscover" the higher truth. (Which never left... it was always there, but since we've receded again, it has to be re-learned).

Incremental material (and less conscious) progress until we either go extinct or we get over the worse aspects of our collective issues (which seems unlikely unless we go full cyborg - or everyone starts pounding psychedelics).  Meanwhile we'll allow ourselves to be consumed by superstitions, shadows representing truth, and that serpent in the garden, named Ego. They'll all take different forms, but they'll do the same damage as they always have in civilizations of the past. Only bigger and better (which means worse).