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2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

That's an unusual stance. How does it work?
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1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron.

Does that mean if we throw you down the well, our people will be free? :)

What if we slowly lowered you down the well? Would we slowly become free?

BTW, "I'm Jewish, you fucking moron" has to be spoken in Juggernaut voice.


2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

I disagree, but I want to hear your explanation.

I don't see much morality present in the history of humanity - especially pre-Enlightenment - and we've had omniscient deities since the cave dudes stared into the sun. Even the threat of everlasting damnation can't keep humans from being douchenozzles. To me, morality appears to be an individual choice.

But definitely fuck postmodernism. It's a grotesque boil on civilization's ass.

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[They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

It also requires exiling people who aren’t willing to continue changing to whatever the change-deciders have now decided we must change to.

Because otherwise you’d still be posting at TBP

Here's a common problem I've seen exhibited by a lot on this site: the equation of SJWs = all Democrats = all people on the left (or left of conservatism) = Socialists = Marxists = Communists.

Those categories have some overlap some of the time, but not always. Just as some on the left categorize all on the right as alt-right and/or fundies. And the left is more ideological diverse than the right.

TBP is run by SJW ideologues - people who are extremely intolerant of any differing views, including those on the left who don't adhere to their groupthink. It is not representative of the left as a whole, but is instead a relative minority who complain loudly. I see it as the Ctrl-Left to the Alt-Right, and just as the latter only represents a minority of right-wingers, so too do the Ctrl-Left only represent a minority of left-wingers.

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Plenty of atheists have morals. They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

1) I'm Jewish, you fucking moron. Not that it should matter, but being explicit since you're borderline retarded it seems.
2) Atheism is antithetical to morality, and indeed the only way true morality can exist is with an omniscient God. This is an indisputable fact. Cf. postmodernism.

"Desert nomads" - This is the sort of nonsense that pseudo-intellectuals spout. It's based on pure sophistry and lack of true education. Maybe read a book?

I'm guessing the irony of calling me "borderline retarded" and then making a statement like your second point is lost on you. "Indisputable fact"...that is absurd.

Atheism is not antithetical to morality, it just doesn't base it on theism or a system of metaphysical belief. Have you never heard of secular humanism (for instance)? Atheists tend to base their morality on rationality - what is right and good for a given group of people. It isn't based upon tradition--what we learned in Sunday school that has been passed down for thousands of years--but what makes sense, using rational thinking.

There are many forms of morality, with different bases. Many of them are not based upon belief in God. Buddhism, for example, includes a range of forms, but most are non-theistic and far less violence has been committed in the name of Buddhism than almost any other religion. Buddhism emphasizes compassion, which is the result of spiritual awakening - and again, no "omniscient God" needed.

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 Are you the sort of atheist who meets up with similar minded people on Sundays, or the atheist who sleeps in?  I always felt my lack of spiritual pursuit was a big plus sleeping in on Sunday mornings, and then I start hearing about atheists who want to meet up and get together, and discuss their lack of belief with like minded.....

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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.

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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Funny.

First off, I didn't say that I was an atheist. I don't believe in the anthropomorphic deity of Abrahamic religions, but I am not an atheist. Probably the closest philosophical outlook with regards to God to mine is pantheism.

Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.

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[They just don't require looking in a book for them, and they recognize that humans change and what was right for desert nomads isn't necessary right for people living in the modern world.

It also requires exiling people who aren’t willing to continue changing to whatever the change-deciders have now decided we must change to.

Because otherwise you’d still be posting at TBP

Here's a common problem I've seen exhibited by a lot on this site: the equation of SJWs = all Democrats = all people on the left (or left of conservatism) = Socialists = Marxists = Communists.

Those categories have some overlap some of the time, but not always. Just as some on the left categorize all on the right as alt-right and/or fundies. And the left is more ideological diverse than the right.

TBP is run by SJW ideologues - people who are extremely intolerant of any differing views, including those on the left who don't adhere to their groupthink. It is not representative of the left as a whole, but is instead a relative minority who complain loudly. I see it as the Ctrl-Left to the Alt-Right, and just as the latter only represents a minority of right-wingers, so too do the Ctrl-Left only represent a minority of left-wingers.

Buddy, the left as a whole is present on much more than TBP.  Exile/blacklist is very much a core tenant of today's leftism.  It's all over the place.  Right now leftists are bobbing their heads in agreement with the idea that people who don't want a COVID vaccine should be prevented from accessing most of society.  The bare handfuls of leftists pushing back are the odds, not the majority.  You don't understand that the gravity well of the conform or be cast out crowd goes where the social power is.  They don't stem *from* a belief system, they accrete to any belief system that the "just tell me what to do" crowd are looking at in the present time.  The same people you remember as being christian assholes are now CTRL-left assholes.  And when Christianity has a social resurgence they will flock back to the churches and seek out positions of influence there.

A neat thing about this process is they can always attach their ilk's past deeds to the institution and use the flogging of that institution to gin up the process all over again in new real estate!

There is no philosophy that will break the basic human condition.  There are only the ones you wish could, and can pretend would, from within the white rooms of our own minds.  True libertarian socialism has never been tried, and all that.
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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

LaVeyan Satanism always did the trick for me.....

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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.

In this day and age, I thought that Nurgle took precedence.

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  I also never really understood left leaning people having concerns about right leaning/wing christians.  If I were on the left, I would be a whole lot more concerned with godless right wingers or pagan right wingers.  At least with Christianity, most of them have some core philosophy that will attempt to put the brakes on some violent impulses.   If they start forming a Thor cult, or go all out godless, I wonder where they end up then?

Khorne the ultimate right wing pagan god.  Blood for the blood god.  Skulls for the skull throne.

In this day and age, I thought that Nurgle took precedence.

How can you get big happy families if the leftists are too busy destroying the family unit?  First Khorne must wipe out the leftists.

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Ia not a fan of either religious extremists of any kind. Whether they be Christians or Atheists or other religious zealots. I find many sometimes to be hypocritical when it comes to certain positions and/or topics. What gets me about Atheists is when they are very sick and close to dying suddenly they become the most religious people in the world. So much for not caring about any kind god...except when your life on the line. Then suddenly they believe in multiple gods across many pantheons. Yet once they don't die or get over a severe illness then "religion is for suckers and losers".

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I find many sometimes to be hypocritical when it comes to certain positions and/or topics. What gets me about Atheists is when they are very sick and close to dying suddenly they become the most religious people in the world. So much for not caring about any kind god...except when your life on the line. Then suddenly they believe in multiple gods across many pantheons. Yet once they don't die or get over a severe illness then "religion is for suckers and losers".
That sounds like a fiction invented by theists, rather than something that ever happened. The lapsed or indifferent may suddenly look for something when a crisis hits, but that makes no sense if someone has come to terms with no god or afterlife.

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Secondly, as a libertarian socialist (more or less), I am concerned with both fundies who want to enforce their own religious beliefs upon others, and hyper-capitalists who want to continue exploiting everyone in the service of their profiteering.  But this also includes centrists and many Democrats - essentially, most or all establishment politicians.
Neoliberals aren't hypercapitalists. They tend to be about low or no tariffs, globalism, and markets; but they're also about rent seeking, central banks, regulatory capture, and creating dependency. It's a mix of free market capitalism and socialism. I'm not sure what would qualify as "hyper", but 19th century US was closer to a pure capitalism than the last 100 years of statist intervention and central planning.