Brianna Wu has gone full theRPGsite

[jeff37923]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

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I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

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So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
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It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
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[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.

So why are you not providing a link to where you got the Wu quotes?

[Valatar]

I've seen a bunch of screenshots of Wu's tweets floating around as well as in various vids of youtubers talking about it, if Mistwell got conned by fakes, they're very convincing ones.  Not that I give any particular shits about Wu's current grifting angle, what little I ever saw about him back in the Gamergate days was more than sufficient to convince me that Wu only cares about whatever gets Wu the most benefit at that point in time.

[Mistwell]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.

So why are you not providing a link to where you got the Wu quotes?

I am happy to provide a link to any of those you'd like if you have Twitter/X. It's just so many tweets that it seemed like it would spam the board. But if you would like links it would be pretty easy to provide them for any given one of those. Here is one of the larger ones. Or you could just copy any of those messages into the search bar on Twitter / X and it will come up right away. I am certain to have missed some too - there is so much, and some of it is in replies to other people, or buried deep in other replies.

[Mistwell]

I've seen a bunch of screenshots of Wu's tweets floating around as well as in various vids of youtubers talking about it, if Mistwell got conned by fakes, they're very convincing ones.  Not that I give any particular shits about Wu's current grifting angle, what little I ever saw about him back in the Gamergate days was more than sufficient to convince me that Wu only cares about whatever gets Wu the most benefit at that point in time.

The only way it's not Wu is if their Twitter account is hacked. That's their account. 150,000 followers, dates back to 2008, not parody.

[GeekyBugle]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.

So why are you not providing a link to where you got the Wu quotes?

I am happy to provide a link to any of those you'd like if you have Twitter/X. It's just so many tweets that it seemed like it would spam the board. But if you would like links it would be pretty easy to provide them for any given one of those. Here is one of the larger ones. Or you could just copy any of those messages into the search bar on Twitter / X and it will come up right away. I am certain to have missed some too - there is so much, and some of it is in replies to other people, or buried deep in other replies.

I provided a video where they are reading his tweets, furthermore I saw the tweet and responded to it.

Someone tell jeff he's being his usual stupid asshole.

[jeff37923]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

------------------

I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

------------------

So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

------------------
It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

------------------
Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
------------------
It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
------------------
I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
-------------------
Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
--------------------
Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
--------------------
Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
--------------------
[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.

So why are you not providing a link to where you got the Wu quotes?

I am happy to provide a link to any of those you'd like if you have Twitter/X. It's just so many tweets that it seemed like it would spam the board. But if you would like links it would be pretty easy to provide them for any given one of those. Here is one of the larger ones. Or you could just copy any of those messages into the search bar on Twitter / X and it will come up right away. I am certain to have missed some too - there is so much, and some of it is in replies to other people, or buried deep in other replies.

I provided a video where they are reading his tweets, furthermore I saw the tweet and responded to it.

Someone tell jeff he's being his usual stupid asshole.

You mean that video I posted before you did?

So it is the act of a stupid asshole to know where an unattributed quote comes from. Gotcha.....

[Fheredin]

I don't see any sign of repentance. Cognitive dissonance and a measure of remorse, yes, and that could possibly turn into repentance with time...but probably not. But let's be real; this is like the crowd singing Amazing Grace at RBG's funeral. It's that brief glimpse that this person could've should've would've been more than the butt of an NPC meme right before that blinking LED of humanity gets viciously suppressed because other people's opinions matter more than truthfulness.

[BadApple]

I don't see any sign of repentance. Cognitive dissonance and a measure of remorse, yes, and that could possibly turn into repentance with time...but probably not. But let's be real; this is like the crowd singing Amazing Grace at RBG's funeral. It's that brief glimpse that this person could've should've would've been more than the butt of an NPC meme right before that blinking LED of humanity gets viciously suppressed because other people's opinions matter more than truthfulness.

This is always the thing with women that do terrible things.  She doesn't feel like a terrible person, therefore she isn't a terrible person, Therefore anything she does that's terrible is somehow not her fault.  Even Jodi Arias displayed this type of logic.

[GeekyBugle]

I don't see any sign of repentance. Cognitive dissonance and a measure of remorse, yes, and that could possibly turn into repentance with time...but probably not. But let's be real; this is like the crowd singing Amazing Grace at RBG's funeral. It's that brief glimpse that this person could've should've would've been more than the butt of an NPC meme right before that blinking LED of humanity gets viciously suppressed because other people's opinions matter more than truthfulness.

This is always the thing with women that do terrible things.  She doesn't feel like a terrible person, therefore she isn't a terrible person, Therefore anything she does that's terrible is somehow not her fault.  Even Jodi Arias displayed this type of logic.

You would be correct except for the fact that Wu is a man.

[Mistwell]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

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I don't think I'm the only progressive with a ton of resentment, built up over a decade, at the fringe online left.

It's such a cancerous set of tactics. Waves of anonymous accounts acting like cops. Morally loaded language out of proportion to any issue at hand. Taking statements out of context and twisting them in dishonest ways for a dunk. An inability to provide credible sources for extraordinary claims. A total disdain for nuance.

And always, always, always, a ravenous appetite to hurt people our own side.

And the reputation of progressives has been destroyed accordingly. We're deeply unpopular in the party. We're seen as harassing assholes online (the way we used to critique gamers for behaving, BTW). The culture on Twitch and YouTube is constantly documenting the hypocrisy and insanity and it's well deserved.

A decade ago, when we were more associated with policies like Medicare for All, there WAS a window for us to become the next evolution of the party. And it was utterly squandered.

I'll always be a progressive, because I think the policies are the right ones. But, it's time to admit that online progressives are too destructive to ever be a meaningful political force in America, except in the sense we are driving normal people into the arms of the right.

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So telling that they responded with the very cancerous behavior that's making the overwhelming majority of people think they're assholes.

If your only response to criticism is to harass, insult and personally attack, it's because you can't defend your ideas.

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It doesn't matter how left you go, you will fail the test at some point. The only way to avoid being attacked by your own side is to take an ever more insane set of policy positions. Many have ridden this train to the point they have left any kind of reality you can sell to the mass public.

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Leftist Twitter is wild. They'll be like, "Baseball is four strikes and you're out." And then if you politely explain it's three strikes you get called a war crime supporter.
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It's pretty straightforward. Even if you're directionally on their side, anything that disrupts the most extreme narrative puts you at risk of the whole Gamergate playbook.

So most people just say nothing. And the positions grow crazier and crazier. So you can either watch the movement spiral into further irrelevance or try to steer the ship and become the enemy.
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I've talked about this many times. I have a lot of regrets about Gamergate, the biggest one that I got drawn into focusing my efforts on an online culture war that could not be won instead of using the backchannel power I had to get policies enacted.

I did eventually learn this lesson. And it's what I do now professionally.

10 years ago, I thought the Gamergate playbook was a moral flaw in a particular set of people. Now, as I see everyone using to the point we don't even notice it. It's a moral flaw in all of us.

Because it's much harder to try to enact policies than making an anonymous account and unleashing the darkest parts of yourself.
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Yes, everyone uses Gamergate tactics now, right and left. If you don't see this, you're not being honest.

And I wouldn't say everything that happened to me was "for nothing." What I am saying is, I could've responded to it in a more productive way.

I focused way too much on thinking I could shame people into better behavior. What I should've been focused on was trying to get major game studios to commit to better HR policies and hiring practices.
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Remember five years ago when people warned if the left didn't learn to argue against bad ideas instead of using moralized language we'd have no way to defeat them if they gained traction?

Anyway. Half my feed couldn't be written better by Hamas.
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Genuine question: What does "progressive" mean in 2024?

To me, being a progressive as opposed to a moderate Democrat means you want more structural change, health care being a great example. I am very skeptical about the ability of the ACA to address the rising cost curves of healthcare for example. I know it's ambitious, but I can see us getting drug pricing under control with something like Medicare for all.

But, it's hard to not notice a lot of us have become more about a kind of insistent anti-institutionalism. A belief that America is always in the wrong. And just boiling anger at everyone that doesn't agree with us.

I don't know how we're supposed to build things like universal healthcare or more accessible college if we're simultaneously trying to burn down everything in sight. Or how we get things done in a democracy if we treat everyone in the country who isn't a progressive like they're an enemy.

Without that belief in building things, what is progressivism besides a collection of grievances?
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[Wu provides a bunch of proof of death threats over these comments]

No.  Just no.

Wu is a liar, troll, and professional victim.  He saw an opportunity during Gamergate to grift and become famous, and so he did everything he could to bait people into targeting him... and no one did.  His nickname was "Literally Wu?" (showing how little anyone in Gamergate cared about him).  I followed the whole thing pretty closely (was at KiA for most of it), and Wu not only lied about it then, he has doubled down on the bullshit in the quotes you've posted.  The "Gamergate tactics" were the tactics of his side!  So the claim that now "we're all doing it" is total garbage.  His side was always doing it (doxxing, harassing, trying to get people fired from their jobs, etc.).  Now he wants to claim that, "oh, now I see that it's all just human nature, and I should have reacted differently... blah, blah, blah."  Total delusional fantasy.

Nothing in the post above shows any kind of "change," other than Wu doing what he normally does: lick his finger and stick it in the wind in the hopes he can farm a mention or two out of it.

And the fact that you, of all people, seem to think he's talking "sense" just confirms all of my opinions about you...

Where did I say they were talking "sense"? You have me confused with Pundit's comment, where Pundit said "Could that have made Wu no longer an imbecile?".

I said this is stuff said right here (and it is).

Did you suddenly imagine my view of things said here are what I consider "sense", despite over a decade of my saying otherwise?

Did you think my saying the things they're saying should be believed, when all I said is it's stuff said here? I gave no opinion on whether or not I believe Brianna Wu, just that this is what they are saying right now.

But hey, thanks for the total strawman AND the personal attack based purely on your fictional strawman. It's tiresome man. You don't HAVE to be a dick to me you know. You could just behave like a normal human being, sometimes. And I am not asking for the benefit of the doubt - I am asking that you at least treat what I say as what I say, rather than the nonsense you spewed above that was purely fiction about what I said. Tale your dispute up with Pundit, since it appears to be his view you are disappointed by.

So why are you not providing a link to where you got the Wu quotes?

I am happy to provide a link to any of those you'd like if you have Twitter/X. It's just so many tweets that it seemed like it would spam the board. But if you would like links it would be pretty easy to provide them for any given one of those. Here is one of the larger ones. Or you could just copy any of those messages into the search bar on Twitter / X and it will come up right away. I am certain to have missed some too - there is so much, and some of it is in replies to other people, or buried deep in other replies.

I provided a video where they are reading his tweets, furthermore I saw the tweet and responded to it.

Someone tell jeff he's being his usual stupid asshole.

You mean that video I posted before you did?

So it is the act of a stupid asshole to know where an unattributed quote comes from. Gotcha.....

I didn't take your comment as a negative. It was a fair question. I did just post a huge amount of copy pasted text without any links. I usually provide links and should have here, I was just short on time and maybe lazy about it.

[BadApple]

I don't see any sign of repentance. Cognitive dissonance and a measure of remorse, yes, and that could possibly turn into repentance with time...but probably not. But let's be real; this is like the crowd singing Amazing Grace at RBG's funeral. It's that brief glimpse that this person could've should've would've been more than the butt of an NPC meme right before that blinking LED of humanity gets viciously suppressed because other people's opinions matter more than truthfulness.

This is always the thing with women that do terrible things.  She doesn't feel like a terrible person, therefore she isn't a terrible person, Therefore anything she does that's terrible is somehow not her fault.  Even Jodi Arias displayed this type of logic.

You would be correct except for the fact that Wu is a man.

Geeky, this is the most compelling pro-trans argument I have ever heard.

[Thorn Drumheller]

No absolution to be given. He/She can fuck itself. I don't care what it thinks 'today'.

Reality has asserted itself. I say we fortify reality.

A frikin' men.

[GeekyBugle]

I don't see any sign of repentance. Cognitive dissonance and a measure of remorse, yes, and that could possibly turn into repentance with time...but probably not. But let's be real; this is like the crowd singing Amazing Grace at RBG's funeral. It's that brief glimpse that this person could've should've would've been more than the butt of an NPC meme right before that blinking LED of humanity gets viciously suppressed because other people's opinions matter more than truthfulness.

This is always the thing with women that do terrible things.  She doesn't feel like a terrible person, therefore she isn't a terrible person, Therefore anything she does that's terrible is somehow not her fault.  Even Jodi Arias displayed this type of logic.

You would be correct except for the fact that Wu is a man.

Geeky, this is the most compelling pro-trans argument I have ever heard.

Why? Because he's a bitch? Plenty of those around, also you're assuming ANYTHING Wu says is sincere.

[SHARK]

No absolution to be given. He/She can fuck itself. I don't care what it thinks 'today'.

Reality has asserted itself. I say we fortify reality.

A frikin' men.

Greetings!

Yeah, Thorn! I was looking at the Wiki link that Brad had posted--he was obviously suspicious, too. *Laughing* Brianna Wu is just another homosexual dressed up on a wig and dress, cosplaying as a woman.

Not so long ago, fags that did that were known simply as transvestites. Nothing super duper special about any of them. They are just transvestites. Also not that long ago, psychologists maintained that homosexuals and transvestites were disorders, and mentally ill. Transvestites in particular were a kind of fetish, and a paraphillia.

Nowadays though, our weak, feminized, and degenerate society likes to bow down to the rainbow salami. *Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Eirikrautha]

Brianna Wu has been drifting away from the online nutty progressives for a while now. I quoted her last month on Israel / Hamas.

Well, now she's gone full theRPGsite.

Below are quotes from her over the past few days. You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here:

So, normally I couldn't care less about what offends you or not, but I was sitting here bored and decided to explain it to you.  Don't worry, I'll use small words so you'll be sure to understand.

You stated above that  Wu has been "drifting away from the nutty progressives."  So, if by your own statement, he is moving "away" from nutty, he must be getting more sane.  That's the only reasonable explanation of that statement.  You follow this with the fact that you quoted him on another topic... a topic where you agreed with him.  So, why would I assume that you disagreed with Wu when your support for your first statement is something you agreed with?  There's no way to read those sentences as anything other than support.

Now, the going "full RPGSite" could be read two different ways.  Luckily, either way makes you look like the asshat you are.  First, since the first two sentences could only be reasonably read as supportive, you could read this as saying, "look, guys, Wu is now saying the same stuff that we do!  Isn't that great!"  The fact that you think what Wu said, including the slander of Gamergate and the gaslighting of those people his side doxxed, defamed, had fired, etc., resembles what those of us on the right say here on the RPGSite just shows you have no clue what the right actually thinks (which is the reason that I've said many times that your "Hello, fellow conservatives and Republicans!" is pure garbage, since you don't even understand the right enough to identify what is and isn't part of it).  So you've outed what I've said all along... you aren't on the right (or "moderate"; you're a lefty masquerading here to try and gaslight those who aren't paying attention).

Or, alternatively, you are using "full RPGSite" (and the statement "You tell me this isn't stuff you could find right here" reiterates) as invective against the opinions that are allowed to be expressed here that aren't allowed on any other sites (which happen to be somewhat right wing... but not completely.  There's a lot of stupid liberals here... plus the jhkimAI).  If you are suggesting that Wu's statements are showing some negative ideas that you associate with this site, it just reinforces the fact that you are an imposter.  Taking your statement this way requires a bit of stretching, but I wanted to make sure I addressed any plausible reading of your intro.

Either way, the crowning glory is that none of this conversation would be necessary if you actually expressed an opinion.  You know, commented on what you thought about Wu's statements in the context of his past history.  Then no one has to assume anything.  But you don't have the balls.  You don't want to tip off anyone, so you just post the "look at Wu!" without committing to either interpretation, so that you can always claim to not mean what you've obviously implied.  So man up and express an opinion.

Because you clearly intended to express some kind of opinion by posting this.  So what was it?  I think that my first interpretation was correct, and you were attempting a "look, guys, Wu is one of us now!" or some other stupidity.  If not, what were you saying?