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Shasarak:

--- Quote from: Daztur on October 15, 2021, 09:04:00 PM ---Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

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SHARK:

--- Quote from: Daztur on October 15, 2021, 09:04:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: SHARK on October 15, 2021, 05:20:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kiero on October 09, 2021, 06:27:13 AM ---Classic example of a woman thinking because she's large and relatively strong (perhaps she's a powerlifter and used to out-lifting many men around her), that means she's tough. Except she's clearly not in very good condition for fighting (look at the roll of fat around her middle) and won't be equal to a man in her weight class.

That Marine didn't look exceptional as a fighter, but she didn't appear to give him any trouble at all. Against a better fighter - even one lighter than her - it would have been even shorter still.

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Greetings!

That's an excellent point, Kiero. Tatum also observes that the Marine grunt probably isn't anything particularly special--in his unit--and he proceeds to absolutely destroy this chick without even breaking a sweat. As you mention, there are *monster* Marines, and one of them would have utterly crushed her even *sooner*.

Whenever this kind of nonsense comes up, I can't help but think of all of these examples, just like this here, that make an absolute mockery of women being "Equal to Men", and "Women being in Combat Units". As crushing as these examples are--I am reminded entirely how a Chinese soldier, Russian, or Iranian soldier that is in a real fight against our forces--when encountering some stupid American woman, like this one here--they won't stop at just crushing her, and embarrassing the shit out of her.

They will stomp the fuck out of her and kill her--and women just like her--in mere moments. More blood, more stupid, pointless death--while at the same time, taking up time and resources that we could actually be spending on hardened men warriors that at least have something of a chance in combat--but instead, we want to as a nation and as the military institutions go--indulge the fucking Marxists and the Feminists in these kinds of delusional fantasies.

True leaders would have the balls to tell these women and anyone that supports such BS to get their heads out of their asses and fucking live in the real world. Women are not equal to men, and women should not be in Combat Units. Cry, bitch, and moan, that's just the fucking truth and the harsh reality. The military is not a social engineering play shop, but an organization designed for killing, fighting, and winning wars.

Anything--and anyone--that detracts from that core mission is unsuitable, and must get the fuck out.

From what I understand, the same kind of Marxist and Feminist BS has also been infiltrating the British military forces, as well as other Western European nations. Nothing good will come of that, for certain. The American military is rapidly deteriorating at an alarming rate, in part due to all of this kind of BS. We have even had official Veteran studies here composed not only of generals and admirals, but other officers and enlisted, that have presented reports to the Pentagon that the embracement of Marxism, Feminism, SJWism, Wokism, all that--has seriously damaged America's ability to fight and win wars.

*SIGH* Writing this stuff makes me want to smoke a cigar. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

--- End quote ---

Greetings!

*Laughing* Sure, buddy. Just like Sec Def McNamara and the other morons in the Pentagon during the 1960's declared that "Modern Warfare involves remarkably little close-in aerial dogfighting, so there's no need to arm our Fighters with close-range auto-cannon." Many American fighter pilots and bomber air-crews going into North Vietnam suffered and died from such arrogance. In the blood and fire of battle, such stupid ideas were soon thrown out, and the word came down to arm up every fighter aircraft with 20mm auto-cannon, and for the military to jump back into close-air combat training programs.

The modern battlefield features plenty of occasions for hand-to-hand combat, and numerous other physically demanding tasks on a regular basis. In any event, it is absolutely stupid to be having small, weak women anywhere near combat units. Doing so only ultimately wastes the lives of such women--who may better serve in other roles and capacities--and also increases the danger and risk towards suffering unnecessary casualties amongst other combat troops.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Kyle Aaron:
There are real and significant differences between men and women, as is shown in this video. However, I think the bigger factor in this particular case was skill level.

In the video, it's plain that the woman was unskilled, and that she had never before experienced being punched in the head by anyone of any gender, age, size or skill level. The man was no master, but he'd felt a punch, and been eye-to-eye and toe-to-toe with someone willing and able to hurt him.

In my game Conflict, you choose a career path and throw dice for which skills you get, like Classic Traveller. An optional rule for realism which nobody has ever wanted to use was: you choose careers, and the GM throws the dice for which skills you get, and doesn't tell you. You don't find out until you actually try the thing. You can assume you have all the skills, or none - it's up to you.

Dunning-Kruger is a real effect - you need a certain level of competence in order to be able to assess your level of competence. One of the difficulties with a post-industrial society like that of the West is that many of the jobs we do have less than tangible outcomes. How do we know an office manager is good at their job?

However, the skills of conflicts and trauma have very tangible outcomes. A paramedic friend was treating an assault victim who said, "Oh yeah, it was my jiu-jitsu skills that saved me." He replied, "Mate, I hate to tell you, but if you're in my ambulance - you lost." And that patient left the ambulance in no worse shape than he entered it - so the paramedic succeeded.

Fewer and fewer people do jobs with tangible measurable outcomes, and thus more and more people are able to deceive themselves that they're extremely competent in a wide domain. I call it the Rainman Effect: "Definitely, definitely an excellent driver." But all he'd done was drive around in circles slowly with nobody else around. That's different to taking a corner at speed at night in the rain with other vehicles around.

Gender, size - of course all these things matter. But skill? If you haven't been tested, you just don't know.

Shasarak:

--- Quote from: Kyle Aaron on October 15, 2021, 09:55:16 PM ---In my game Conflict, you choose a career path and throw dice for which skills you get, like Classic Traveller. An optional rule for realism which nobody has ever wanted to use was: you choose careers, and the GM throws the dice for which skills you get, and doesn't tell you. You don't find out until you actually try the thing. You can assume you have all the skills, or none - it's up to you.

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Since when does playing an amnesiac fall into the "realism" column?

Does my character have any ranks in Piloting?

Only one way to find out.

Ghostmaker:

--- Quote from: SHARK on October 15, 2021, 09:24:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daztur on October 15, 2021, 09:04:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: SHARK on October 15, 2021, 05:20:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kiero on October 09, 2021, 06:27:13 AM ---Classic example of a woman thinking because she's large and relatively strong (perhaps she's a powerlifter and used to out-lifting many men around her), that means she's tough. Except she's clearly not in very good condition for fighting (look at the roll of fat around her middle) and won't be equal to a man in her weight class.

That Marine didn't look exceptional as a fighter, but she didn't appear to give him any trouble at all. Against a better fighter - even one lighter than her - it would have been even shorter still.

--- End quote ---

Greetings!

That's an excellent point, Kiero. Tatum also observes that the Marine grunt probably isn't anything particularly special--in his unit--and he proceeds to absolutely destroy this chick without even breaking a sweat. As you mention, there are *monster* Marines, and one of them would have utterly crushed her even *sooner*.

Whenever this kind of nonsense comes up, I can't help but think of all of these examples, just like this here, that make an absolute mockery of women being "Equal to Men", and "Women being in Combat Units". As crushing as these examples are--I am reminded entirely how a Chinese soldier, Russian, or Iranian soldier that is in a real fight against our forces--when encountering some stupid American woman, like this one here--they won't stop at just crushing her, and embarrassing the shit out of her.

They will stomp the fuck out of her and kill her--and women just like her--in mere moments. More blood, more stupid, pointless death--while at the same time, taking up time and resources that we could actually be spending on hardened men warriors that at least have something of a chance in combat--but instead, we want to as a nation and as the military institutions go--indulge the fucking Marxists and the Feminists in these kinds of delusional fantasies.

True leaders would have the balls to tell these women and anyone that supports such BS to get their heads out of their asses and fucking live in the real world. Women are not equal to men, and women should not be in Combat Units. Cry, bitch, and moan, that's just the fucking truth and the harsh reality. The military is not a social engineering play shop, but an organization designed for killing, fighting, and winning wars.

Anything--and anyone--that detracts from that core mission is unsuitable, and must get the fuck out.

From what I understand, the same kind of Marxist and Feminist BS has also been infiltrating the British military forces, as well as other Western European nations. Nothing good will come of that, for certain. The American military is rapidly deteriorating at an alarming rate, in part due to all of this kind of BS. We have even had official Veteran studies here composed not only of generals and admirals, but other officers and enlisted, that have presented reports to the Pentagon that the embracement of Marxism, Feminism, SJWism, Wokism, all that--has seriously damaged America's ability to fight and win wars.

*SIGH* Writing this stuff makes me want to smoke a cigar. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

--- End quote ---

Greetings!

*Laughing* Sure, buddy. Just like Sec Def McNamara and the other morons in the Pentagon during the 1960's declared that "Modern Warfare involves remarkably little close-in aerial dogfighting, so there's no need to arm our Fighters with close-range auto-cannon." Many American fighter pilots and bomber air-crews going into North Vietnam suffered and died from such arrogance. In the blood and fire of battle, such stupid ideas were soon thrown out, and the word came down to arm up every fighter aircraft with 20mm auto-cannon, and for the military to jump back into close-air combat training programs.

The modern battlefield features plenty of occasions for hand-to-hand combat, and numerous other physically demanding tasks on a regular basis. In any event, it is absolutely stupid to be having small, weak women anywhere near combat units. Doing so only ultimately wastes the lives of such women--who may better serve in other roles and capacities--and also increases the danger and risk towards suffering unnecessary casualties amongst other combat troops.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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It's the same fucking delusion. They think territory can be somehow 'held' with drones/aircraft.

The only reason I'm not getting even more pissy is because I used to think that line of bullshit too.

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