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Author Topic: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman  (Read 2178 times)

oggsmash

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2021, 09:11:42 AM »
The difference is sex.   
I did not say that sex did not matter. What I did say was that skill matters, too, and the clip was a good illustration of a person of low skill not understanding until too late that they had low skill.
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I think you probably know very, very little as to what is expected of a modern infantry soldier.
Most do know little of it. In short: whatever the profession, it never hurts to be stronger and tougher. Nobody ever says, "I wish I wasn't so strong, it makes my job so hard." The only question is, since getting stronger and tougher requires training, how do you balance that with all the other things you need to train?
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Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo).
I think it's been that way for a long time, it certainly was in the Australian forces in the 1990s, same in NZ and UK from what I saw of them. And I was told it was the same in the early 1970s. The military like all large bureaucracies is very slow to change.
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I respect her 'grit' but not her unsporting attitude.
I took that as a measure of her disillusionment. Angry and disappointed with herself, she projected that onto her opponent.

  For clarity:  I do not disagree that skill matters.  What I meant is, I can not see that the guy is skilled beyond the bare bones basics.  Given the woman's body language and what she did when hit, she is the same level (around 6 months in a gym 2-3 times a day).  100 percent of the difference as to the outcomes in that ring were because the guy hit harder, was faster, and a lot stronger.   I agree she was low skill.  But so was he.  This was not a case of him having good skill, and hers being poor.  They were both low skill.  We never even see how the guy would react if hit, because he is essentially just hitting a heavy bag (and sloppily at that).    If both parties are low skill, then another determination will decide a victor.  In this case, strength, speed, power...ie the things separating a man and a woman, so sex was the big factor.

   I am not arguing that if she was Amanda Nunes she could not have had a much better result (but the reality is Amanda is strong and fast too, and we put her in there with a 145 pound male pro, she gets her ass kicked badly) but it would be for skill reasons of course, but also more physical parity.   Again, Amanda in there fighting a 145 pound male UFC entry level fighter...she gets destroyed, and it will not be due to lack of skill.

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2021, 11:06:10 AM »
I find it deeply offensive that women leftist feminazis continue to demand equal rights for women *and* declare trans to *be* women - until they have to compete with them. 

I have no problems with treating everyone the same.  But if you demand equality, then you need to practice equal responsibility.

Should women be in combat, law enforcement, firefighting, construction?  Possibly, other than in the US, because other nations don't change the requirements.  If you need to lift 200 lbs to qualify, then you need to lift 200 lbs. Regardless of gender. If you need to shoot a 300 on the firing range, you need to shoot a 300. Regardless of gender. And it needs to be *all* requirements - no exceptions.

In my younger days when I was in a submarine, I've seen a female machinist from the submarine tender carry a 200 pound pump motor strapped to her back up a vertical ladder to get it off the boat and into the tender's repair shop.  She was terrified of being on the submarine due to the tight quarters.  Would I want her serving in submarines? No.  Likewise, we had men transfer off because they couldn't handle the tight quarters. We also had men who couldn't lift enough weight to do things like drag an unconscious person out of a burning compartment.  They *should* have also been removed.