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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2021, 10:12:42 AM »
Classic example of a woman thinking because she's large and relatively strong (perhaps she's a powerlifter and used to out-lifting many men around her), that means she's tough. Except she's clearly not in very good condition for fighting (look at the roll of fat around her middle) and won't be equal to a man in her weight class.

That Marine didn't look exceptional as a fighter, but she didn't appear to give him any trouble at all. Against a better fighter - even one lighter than her - it would have been even shorter still.

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That's an excellent point, Kiero. Tatum also observes that the Marine grunt probably isn't anything particularly special--in his unit--and he proceeds to absolutely destroy this chick without even breaking a sweat. As you mention, there are *monster* Marines, and one of them would have utterly crushed her even *sooner*.

Whenever this kind of nonsense comes up, I can't help but think of all of these examples, just like this here, that make an absolute mockery of women being "Equal to Men", and "Women being in Combat Units". As crushing as these examples are--I am reminded entirely how a Chinese soldier, Russian, or Iranian soldier that is in a real fight against our forces--when encountering some stupid American woman, like this one here--they won't stop at just crushing her, and embarrassing the shit out of her.

They will stomp the fuck out of her and kill her--and women just like her--in mere moments. More blood, more stupid, pointless death--while at the same time, taking up time and resources that we could actually be spending on hardened men warriors that at least have something of a chance in combat--but instead, we want to as a nation and as the military institutions go--indulge the fucking Marxists and the Feminists in these kinds of delusional fantasies.

True leaders would have the balls to tell these women and anyone that supports such BS to get their heads out of their asses and fucking live in the real world. Women are not equal to men, and women should not be in Combat Units. Cry, bitch, and moan, that's just the fucking truth and the harsh reality. The military is not a social engineering play shop, but an organization designed for killing, fighting, and winning wars.

Anything--and anyone--that detracts from that core mission is unsuitable, and must get the fuck out.

From what I understand, the same kind of Marxist and Feminist BS has also been infiltrating the British military forces, as well as other Western European nations. Nothing good will come of that, for certain. The American military is rapidly deteriorating at an alarming rate, in part due to all of this kind of BS. We have even had official Veteran studies here composed not only of generals and admirals, but other officers and enlisted, that have presented reports to the Pentagon that the embracement of Marxism, Feminism, SJWism, Wokism, all that--has seriously damaged America's ability to fight and win wars.

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Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

   I think you probably know very, very little as to what is expected of a modern infantry soldier.   The same sorts of things that matter in hand to hand combat (strength, speed, aggression) matter quite a bit in a fire fight, kicking in doors, literally running through plaster walls, dragging wounded comrades, etc. 

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2021, 11:09:24 AM »
Classic example of a woman thinking because she's large and relatively strong (perhaps she's a powerlifter and used to out-lifting many men around her), that means she's tough. Except she's clearly not in very good condition for fighting (look at the roll of fat around her middle) and won't be equal to a man in her weight class.

That Marine didn't look exceptional as a fighter, but she didn't appear to give him any trouble at all. Against a better fighter - even one lighter than her - it would have been even shorter still.

Greetings!

That's an excellent point, Kiero. Tatum also observes that the Marine grunt probably isn't anything particularly special--in his unit--and he proceeds to absolutely destroy this chick without even breaking a sweat. As you mention, there are *monster* Marines, and one of them would have utterly crushed her even *sooner*.

Whenever this kind of nonsense comes up, I can't help but think of all of these examples, just like this here, that make an absolute mockery of women being "Equal to Men", and "Women being in Combat Units". As crushing as these examples are--I am reminded entirely how a Chinese soldier, Russian, or Iranian soldier that is in a real fight against our forces--when encountering some stupid American woman, like this one here--they won't stop at just crushing her, and embarrassing the shit out of her.

They will stomp the fuck out of her and kill her--and women just like her--in mere moments. More blood, more stupid, pointless death--while at the same time, taking up time and resources that we could actually be spending on hardened men warriors that at least have something of a chance in combat--but instead, we want to as a nation and as the military institutions go--indulge the fucking Marxists and the Feminists in these kinds of delusional fantasies.

True leaders would have the balls to tell these women and anyone that supports such BS to get their heads out of their asses and fucking live in the real world. Women are not equal to men, and women should not be in Combat Units. Cry, bitch, and moan, that's just the fucking truth and the harsh reality. The military is not a social engineering play shop, but an organization designed for killing, fighting, and winning wars.

Anything--and anyone--that detracts from that core mission is unsuitable, and must get the fuck out.

From what I understand, the same kind of Marxist and Feminist BS has also been infiltrating the British military forces, as well as other Western European nations. Nothing good will come of that, for certain. The American military is rapidly deteriorating at an alarming rate, in part due to all of this kind of BS. We have even had official Veteran studies here composed not only of generals and admirals, but other officers and enlisted, that have presented reports to the Pentagon that the embracement of Marxism, Feminism, SJWism, Wokism, all that--has seriously damaged America's ability to fight and win wars.

*SIGH* Writing this stuff makes me want to smoke a cigar. ;D

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Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

   I think you probably know very, very little.
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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2021, 02:00:27 PM »
It's in interesting question... The example isn't great, as the chick has no skills. And the chap isn't a competent boxer but he's more skilled than she is, and he's bigger too. So it's a mismatch from the off.

You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

That said, a highly trained woman in unarmed combat can level the playing field. Lets not forget that there are some very skinny lads in the army too - who would have struggled against a bigger guy like that Marine. Plus, I know a few women who train in Mauy Thai (and boxing) and also compete. They are not only physically tough but mentally very resilient as well. I'd put them up against any average street thug. Plus, they are built like tanks! But they are the exception.

Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo). Sure, it's a very low skill on the chain - Guns first and all, but it's good to have when you're in a jam. Plus, most of the force's close combat training these days are based of shit that won't work. I remember when the Marines were going on and on about BJJ. LOL Yeah, try taking some guy to the floor who wants to stick a knife down your throat. Oh, and it 'aint so easy to 'roll about' on a battlefield while wearing body armor and carrying all that gear. Such backward thinking... Basically because it was trendy at the time. Now it's even worse, going back to some traditional martial arts shit, or so I'm told.

When they had the likes of Kelly McCann (and that lineage) training them back in the mid 80's they were far better prepped.









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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2021, 02:42:48 PM »
It's in interesting question... The example isn't great, as the chick has no skills. And the chap isn't a competent boxer but he's more skilled than she is, and he's bigger too. So it's a mismatch from the off.

You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

That said, a highly trained woman in unarmed combat can level the playing field. Lets not forget that there are some very skinny lads in the army too - who would have struggled against a bigger guy like that Marine. Plus, I know a few women who train in Mauy Thai (and boxing) and also compete. They are not only physically tough but mentally very resilient as well. I'd put them up against any average street thug. Plus, they are built like tanks! But they are the exception.

Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo). Sure, it's a very low skill on the chain - Guns first and all, but it's good to have when you're in a jam. Plus, most of the force's close combat training these days are based of shit that won't work. I remember when the Marines were going on and on about BJJ. LOL Yeah, try taking some guy to the floor who wants to stick a knife down your throat. Oh, and it 'aint so easy to 'roll about' on a battlefield while wearing body armor and carrying all that gear. Such backward thinking... Basically because it was trendy at the time. Now it's even worse, going back to some traditional martial arts shit, or so I'm told.

When they had the likes of Kelly McCann (and that lineage) training them back in the mid 80's they were far better prepped.
Yeah, well, when you don't have the skills to back up your tough talk, expect things to get unpleasant. From the OP:

"A apparently bad-ass US Army *woman* challenged a Marine Infantry grunt to a boxing match, bragging before the match that she could beat any Marine."

That's not just a failure in training, that's a failure in judgement. You're not going to see me picking a physical fight with one of Uncle Sam's crayon-eating Misguided Children. Not unless he's got leg irons attached and I'm equipped with a spiked baseball bat. And even then the Vegas odds would NOT be in my favor.


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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2021, 02:45:22 PM »
It's in interesting question... The example isn't great, as the chick has no skills. And the chap isn't a competent boxer but he's more skilled than she is, and he's bigger too. So it's a mismatch from the off.

You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

That said, a highly trained woman in unarmed combat can level the playing field. Lets not forget that there are some very skinny lads in the army too - who would have struggled against a bigger guy like that Marine. Plus, I know a few women who train in Mauy Thai (and boxing) and also compete. They are not only physically tough but mentally very resilient as well. I'd put them up against any average street thug. Plus, they are built like tanks! But they are the exception.

Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo). Sure, it's a very low skill on the chain - Guns first and all, but it's good to have when you're in a jam. Plus, most of the force's close combat training these days are based of shit that won't work. I remember when the Marines were going on and on about BJJ. LOL Yeah, try taking some guy to the floor who wants to stick a knife down your throat. Oh, and it 'aint so easy to 'roll about' on a battlefield while wearing body armor and carrying all that gear. Such backward thinking... Basically because it was trendy at the time. Now it's even worse, going back to some traditional martial arts shit, or so I'm told.

When they had the likes of Kelly McCann (and that lineage) training them back in the mid 80's they were far better prepped.
Yeah, well, when you don't have the skills to back up your tough talk, expect things to get unpleasant. From the OP:

"A apparently bad-ass US Army *woman* challenged a Marine Infantry grunt to a boxing match, bragging before the match that she could beat any Marine."

That's not just a failure in training, that's a failure in judgement. You're not going to see me picking a physical fight with one of Uncle Sam's crayon-eating Misguided Children. Not unless he's got leg irons attached and I'm equipped with a spiked baseball bat. And even then the Vegas odds would NOT be in my favor.

Indeed! She's clearly as thick as whale omelette... I mean, if you're going to talk all tough and look for fights then you'd better be able to back it up.
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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2021, 07:01:43 PM »
It's in interesting question... The example isn't great, as the chick has no skills. And the chap isn't a competent boxer but he's more skilled than she is, and he's bigger too. So it's a mismatch from the off.

You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

That said, a highly trained woman in unarmed combat can level the playing field. Lets not forget that there are some very skinny lads in the army too - who would have struggled against a bigger guy like that Marine. Plus, I know a few women who train in Mauy Thai (and boxing) and also compete. They are not only physically tough but mentally very resilient as well. I'd put them up against any average street thug. Plus, they are built like tanks! But they are the exception.

Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo). Sure, it's a very low skill on the chain - Guns first and all, but it's good to have when you're in a jam. Plus, most of the force's close combat training these days are based of shit that won't work. I remember when the Marines were going on and on about BJJ. LOL Yeah, try taking some guy to the floor who wants to stick a knife down your throat. Oh, and it 'aint so easy to 'roll about' on a battlefield while wearing body armor and carrying all that gear. Such backward thinking... Basically because it was trendy at the time. Now it's even worse, going back to some traditional martial arts shit, or so I'm told.

When they had the likes of Kelly McCann (and that lineage) training them back in the mid 80's they were far better prepped.
Yeah, well, when you don't have the skills to back up your tough talk, expect things to get unpleasant. From the OP:

"A apparently bad-ass US Army *woman* challenged a Marine Infantry grunt to a boxing match, bragging before the match that she could beat any Marine."

That's not just a failure in training, that's a failure in judgement. You're not going to see me picking a physical fight with one of Uncle Sam's crayon-eating Misguided Children. Not unless he's got leg irons attached and I'm equipped with a spiked baseball bat. And even then the Vegas odds would NOT be in my favor.

Indeed! She's clearly as thick as whale omelette... I mean, if you're going to talk all tough and look for fights then you'd better be able to back it up.
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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2021, 07:02:40 PM »
What disturbs me is the hypocrisy. On the one hand women want the old-fashioned "men shouldn't hit women" mentality to prevail, yet they want to be in the military and police. Not to mention movie portrayals.

Baby Boomer women had the benefit of "social momentum" from the past, but as recent news reports show, that momentum is almost gone.

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2021, 07:04:48 PM »
It's in interesting question... The example isn't great, as the chick has no skills. And the chap isn't a competent boxer but he's more skilled than she is, and he's bigger too. So it's a mismatch from the off.

You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

That said, a highly trained woman in unarmed combat can level the playing field. Lets not forget that there are some very skinny lads in the army too - who would have struggled against a bigger guy like that Marine. Plus, I know a few women who train in Mauy Thai (and boxing) and also compete. They are not only physically tough but mentally very resilient as well. I'd put them up against any average street thug. Plus, they are built like tanks! But they are the exception.

Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo). Sure, it's a very low skill on the chain - Guns first and all, but it's good to have when you're in a jam. Plus, most of the force's close combat training these days are based of shit that won't work. I remember when the Marines were going on and on about BJJ. LOL Yeah, try taking some guy to the floor who wants to stick a knife down your throat. Oh, and it 'aint so easy to 'roll about' on a battlefield while wearing body armor and carrying all that gear. Such backward thinking... Basically because it was trendy at the time. Now it's even worse, going back to some traditional martial arts shit, or so I'm told.

When they had the likes of Kelly McCann (and that lineage) training them back in the mid 80's they were far better prepped.
Yeah, well, when you don't have the skills to back up your tough talk, expect things to get unpleasant. From the OP:

"A apparently bad-ass US Army *woman* challenged a Marine Infantry grunt to a boxing match, bragging before the match that she could beat any Marine."

That's not just a failure in training, that's a failure in judgement. You're not going to see me picking a physical fight with one of Uncle Sam's crayon-eating Misguided Children. Not unless he's got leg irons attached and I'm equipped with a spiked baseball bat. And even then the Vegas odds would NOT be in my favor.

Indeed! She's clearly as thick as whale omelette... I mean, if you're going to talk all tough and look for fights then you'd better be able to back it up.
I respect her for trying. You don't know your limits until you test them.

I respect anyone for getting in a ring when it comes to full contact sports. Win, loose or draw... But if she was shooting her mouth off, then she pretty much got a good hard lesson. Also, it was pretty shitty not to touch gloves with the dude at the end.

But yeah, I respect her 'grit' but not her unsporting attitude.
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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2021, 08:38:27 PM »
The difference is sex.   
I did not say that sex did not matter. What I did say was that skill matters, too, and the clip was a good illustration of a person of low skill not understanding until too late that they had low skill.
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Unarmed combat in the armed forces is given lip service at best these days (which is bad, imo).
I think it's been that way for a long time, it certainly was in the Australian forces in the 1990s, same in NZ and UK from what I saw of them. And I was told it was the same in the early 1970s. The military like all large bureaucracies is very slow to change.
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I respect her 'grit' but not her unsporting attitude.
I took that as a measure of her disillusionment. Angry and disappointed with herself, she projected that onto her opponent.

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2021, 06:37:11 AM »
You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

Not only that, men are stronger for the same amount of weight. Compare Olympic lifting records in the same weight category, for men and women, the men's records are significantly more.
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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2021, 11:07:32 AM »
You can't really ignore the science, though. Men, as a general rule, are bigger, heavier and stronger and therefore far more likely to win.

Not only that, men are stronger for the same amount of weight. Compare Olympic lifting records in the same weight category, for men and women, the men's records are significantly more.

Were significantly more.  Now that men are allowed to compete in women's categories...

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2021, 01:14:05 PM »
Not only that, men are stronger for the same amount of weight. Compare Olympic lifting records in the same weight category, for men and women, the men's records are significantly more.

Were significantly more.  Now that men are allowed to compete in women's categories...

At the present time, the men's records are still significantly more - essentially unchanged from prior years. I presume you're talking about transgender athletes, but the only transgender athlete to participate in Olympic weightlifting has not won any medals, placing last in her group of women in the last Olympics.

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2021, 04:58:15 PM »
Not only that, men are stronger for the same amount of weight. Compare Olympic lifting records in the same weight category, for men and women, the men's records are significantly more.

Were significantly more.  Now that men are allowed to compete in women's categories...

At the present time, the men's records are still significantly more - essentially unchanged from prior years. I presume you're talking about transgender athletes, but the only transgender athlete to participate in Olympic weightlifting has not won any medals, placing last in her group of women in the last Olympics.
I understand that she lifted significantly more during the preliminaries/qualifying, than during the actual event. I'm not saying that they threw the event out of a personal agenda (everyone has an occasional bad day and the simpler explanation of is usually the more likely), but their failure to win is just 1 datapoint when Male-to-Female trans athletes have done pretty well overall, and Female-to-Male athletes don't seem to have made much impact.

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2021, 05:42:34 PM »
Classic example of a woman thinking because she's large and relatively strong (perhaps she's a powerlifter and used to out-lifting many men around her), that means she's tough. Except she's clearly not in very good condition for fighting (look at the roll of fat around her middle) and won't be equal to a man in her weight class.

That Marine didn't look exceptional as a fighter, but she didn't appear to give him any trouble at all. Against a better fighter - even one lighter than her - it would have been even shorter still.

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That's an excellent point, Kiero. Tatum also observes that the Marine grunt probably isn't anything particularly special--in his unit--and he proceeds to absolutely destroy this chick without even breaking a sweat. As you mention, there are *monster* Marines, and one of them would have utterly crushed her even *sooner*.

Whenever this kind of nonsense comes up, I can't help but think of all of these examples, just like this here, that make an absolute mockery of women being "Equal to Men", and "Women being in Combat Units". As crushing as these examples are--I am reminded entirely how a Chinese soldier, Russian, or Iranian soldier that is in a real fight against our forces--when encountering some stupid American woman, like this one here--they won't stop at just crushing her, and embarrassing the shit out of her.

They will stomp the fuck out of her and kill her--and women just like her--in mere moments. More blood, more stupid, pointless death--while at the same time, taking up time and resources that we could actually be spending on hardened men warriors that at least have something of a chance in combat--but instead, we want to as a nation and as the military institutions go--indulge the fucking Marxists and the Feminists in these kinds of delusional fantasies.

True leaders would have the balls to tell these women and anyone that supports such BS to get their heads out of their asses and fucking live in the real world. Women are not equal to men, and women should not be in Combat Units. Cry, bitch, and moan, that's just the fucking truth and the harsh reality. The military is not a social engineering play shop, but an organization designed for killing, fighting, and winning wars.

Anything--and anyone--that detracts from that core mission is unsuitable, and must get the fuck out.

From what I understand, the same kind of Marxist and Feminist BS has also been infiltrating the British military forces, as well as other Western European nations. Nothing good will come of that, for certain. The American military is rapidly deteriorating at an alarming rate, in part due to all of this kind of BS. We have even had official Veteran studies here composed not only of generals and admirals, but other officers and enlisted, that have presented reports to the Pentagon that the embracement of Marxism, Feminism, SJWism, Wokism, all that--has seriously damaged America's ability to fight and win wars.

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Well then I suppose that it's a good thing that modern warfare involves remarkably little hand to hand combat.

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I remember when I was in college, in my Women's Studies classes. (The university imposed a graduation requirement that all students, regardless of stated Major, had to complete a minimum of two "Gender and or Minority Studies classes). Many of these students, as well as the fucking woman professor, would straight-faced insist--and then shrilly shriek--that women were absolutely as strong as men, and could do anything men could do, equally, and usually better. I used to enjoy immensely making the woman professor laugh condescendingly at me, and then watch her get red-faced, flushed, and increasingly emotional and angry as I continued to present scientific fact and evidence from other disciplines that made her assertions a laughing stock of absurdity. Nonetheless, she and most of the women students in the class persisted with this phony, fraudulent charade. It really is a cult-like ideology. Feminism, Wokism, SJWism, Marxism, it all has roots in the same ideological family. It was like being in an episode of "The Twilight Zone". You remember that show? From way back? Yeah, it felt like that. Meanwhile, my History professors, Biology professors, Political Science professors, Anthropology professors--they all would and did vehemently disagree and contradict everything that the Women's Studies professor taught and believed.

That was over 20 years ago now. The fucking brainwashing has only gotten far worse, my friend. Now, this malignant, soul-crushing ideology isn't limited to the Women's Studies Department, or the Minority Studies Department. Now it is required teaching in every department, apparently, everywhere in the country.

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Re: Boxing Match Between a US Army Woman and a Male Marine Infantryman
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2021, 08:37:36 AM »
Not only that, men are stronger for the same amount of weight. Compare Olympic lifting records in the same weight category, for men and women, the men's records are significantly more.

Were significantly more.  Now that men are allowed to compete in women's categories...

At the present time, the men's records are still significantly more - essentially unchanged from prior years. I presume you're talking about transgender athletes, but the only transgender athlete to participate in Olympic weightlifting has not won any medals, placing last in her group of women in the last Olympics.

  Badly injured with a blown out elbow in the deep 40's.   I think saying what you do here, with zero context is misleading.   Healthy, that would not have been the case, at all.   I can understand there are lots of people with zero actual experience in contact sports and strength sports, so their perception of those worlds comes from black and white on paper, or talking heads on screens.