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Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!

Started by Ratman_tf, August 16, 2021, 04:44:19 PM

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deadDMwalking

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
To be fair to suicide bombers, there's really no point to killing yourself if you're not taking anyone else with you.  If you let all of your targets leave, then are you really even a suicide bomber anymore?  It's not easy to abandon an identity that you've built the rest of your very short life around.

  This could come off better to me as a joke if Americans were not getting killed by bombs as you make it.  I normally do not mind a taste of gallows humor, but this is pretty low class.

I'm sorry that I have offended you, and I agree that a joke about the death of scores of people including more than a dozen US military is not appropriate.  I wouldn't qualify my comment as a joke - or even a feeble attempt at such, rather a flippant response to the following:

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 26, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/afghanistan-kabul-airport-explosion-pentagon-confirms/

Not content to watch Americans and allied Afghanis flee in a panic, suicide bombers felt it was necessary to blow them up.

Having been aware of the entire war in Afghanistan I felt that Ratman's comment was oblivious.  Of course ISIS isn't content to watch American and allied Afghanis flee in a panic.  To think otherwise would be... incredibly naive.  There were warnings several days ago that this was going to happen.  And this happened.  The sad fact is, you are never going to be able to stop someone that is willing to sacrifice their life from killing others - all you can do is make it much harder.  Obviously not having access to explosives would have made this much harder.  Like keeping civilians and students from having access to semi-automatic weapons would have reduced the casualty counts in every mass-shooting in this country. 

So feel free to hold that comment against me - it certainly wasn't well thought out - but it is just weariness about a lot of preventable deaths - not preventable NOW but preventable if we had chosen other actions at other times.  This was a slow-motion train wreck, and of course it was always going to end this way.  Why feign surprise? 
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oggsmash

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
To be fair to suicide bombers, there's really no point to killing yourself if you're not taking anyone else with you.  If you let all of your targets leave, then are you really even a suicide bomber anymore?  It's not easy to abandon an identity that you've built the rest of your very short life around.

  This could come off better to me as a joke if Americans were not getting killed by bombs as you make it.  I normally do not mind a taste of gallows humor, but this is pretty low class.

I'm sorry that I have offended you, and I agree that a joke about the death of scores of people including more than a dozen US military is not appropriate.  I wouldn't qualify my comment as a joke - or even a feeble attempt at such, rather a flippant response to the following:

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 26, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/afghanistan-kabul-airport-explosion-pentagon-confirms/

Not content to watch Americans and allied Afghanis flee in a panic, suicide bombers felt it was necessary to blow them up.

Having been aware of the entire war in Afghanistan I felt that Ratman's comment was oblivious.  Of course ISIS isn't content to watch American and allied Afghanis flee in a panic.  To think otherwise would be... incredibly naive.  There were warnings several days ago that this was going to happen.  And this happened.  The sad fact is, you are never going to be able to stop someone that is willing to sacrifice their life from killing others - all you can do is make it much harder.  Obviously not having access to explosives would have made this much harder.  Like keeping civilians and students from having access to semi-automatic weapons would have reduced the casualty counts in every mass-shooting in this country. 

So feel free to hold that comment against me - it certainly wasn't well thought out - but it is just weariness about a lot of preventable deaths - not preventable NOW but preventable if we had chosen other actions at other times.  This was a slow-motion train wreck, and of course it was always going to end this way.  Why feign surprise?

  I do not feign surprise and I was one of the few people who was strongly against any invasion/boots on ground in afghanistan for 20 years.  I just think the timing is not the best, so You did not offend me, anymore than me watching a dog eat his own shit would offend me.   His actions I would call a bit low class, just as I classified yours.   But I would still pet him.

SHARK

Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
To be fair to suicide bombers, there's really no point to killing yourself if you're not taking anyone else with you.  If you let all of your targets leave, then are you really even a suicide bomber anymore?  It's not easy to abandon an identity that you've built the rest of your very short life around.

  This could come off better to me as a joke if Americans were not getting killed by bombs as you make it.  I normally do not mind a taste of gallows humor, but this is pretty low class.

Greetings!

Damn straight, my friend. US Marines have been killed, and DeadDMwalking wants to "be fair to the suicide bombers" and laugh.

Low-class indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Ratman_tf

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 03:54:02 PM
To be fair to suicide bombers, there's really no point to killing yourself if you're not taking anyone else with you.  If you let all of your targets leave, then are you really even a suicide bomber anymore?  It's not easy to abandon an identity that you've built the rest of your very short life around.

  This could come off better to me as a joke if Americans were not getting killed by bombs as you make it.  I normally do not mind a taste of gallows humor, but this is pretty low class.

I'm sorry that I have offended you, and I agree that a joke about the death of scores of people including more than a dozen US military is not appropriate.  I wouldn't qualify my comment as a joke - or even a feeble attempt at such, rather a flippant response to the following:

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 26, 2021, 03:45:02 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/afghanistan-kabul-airport-explosion-pentagon-confirms/

Not content to watch Americans and allied Afghanis flee in a panic, suicide bombers felt it was necessary to blow them up.

Having been aware of the entire war in Afghanistan I felt that Ratman's comment was oblivious.  Of course ISIS isn't content to watch American and allied Afghanis flee in a panic.  To think otherwise would be... incredibly naive.  There were warnings several days ago that this was going to happen.  And this happened.  The sad fact is, you are never going to be able to stop someone that is willing to sacrifice their life from killing others - all you can do is make it much harder.  Obviously not having access to explosives would have made this much harder.  Like keeping civilians and students from having access to semi-automatic weapons would have reduced the casualty counts in every mass-shooting in this country. 

So feel free to hold that comment against me - it certainly wasn't well thought out - but it is just weariness about a lot of preventable deaths - not preventable NOW but preventable if we had chosen other actions at other times.  This was a slow-motion train wreck, and of course it was always going to end this way.  Why feign surprise?

I wasn't oblivious. Just weary, like you, and making a grim joke about it. Of course it's horrible, the whole situation is horrible.
The question is, could this have gone another way? Biden's advisors are frothing at the mouth about how he ignored their withdrawl plans and advice, and did... whatever the fuck this thing he's doing now.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/afghan-war-vet-i-will-never-forgive-my-country-for-this-we-must-save-the-people-who-saved-me-118815813529
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Willmark

#244
Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 27, 2021, 12:51:53 AM

The question is, could this have gone another way? Biden's advisors are frothing at the mouth about how he ignored their withdrawl plans and advice, and did... whatever the fuck this thing he's doing now.
As to your first question? The withdrawal? I sure hope it could have because if not?

As to the second? You meant aside from Uncle Joe's daily naps and early bed times? One reason I didn't vote for either trump or him: their ages and the accompanying questions of cognitive functioning of a man near 80.

Ghostmaker

Jesus Christ. Reports coming in that Biden's drone strike hit the house of an Afghani interpreter and his family, killed them all including six kids. Some 'mastermind'.

Normally I'd be suspicious but holy fuck, the Pederast In Chief is out to lunch and it's clear the military leaders would rather chase 'white rage' and make sure their diversity quotas are filled.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 30, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
Jesus Christ. Reports coming in that Biden's drone strike hit the house of an Afghani interpreter and his family, killed them all including six kids. Some 'mastermind'.

Normally I'd be suspicious but holy fuck, the Pederast In Chief is out to lunch and it's clear the military leaders would rather chase 'white rage' and make sure their diversity quotas are filled.

Maybe it's incompetence instead of malice, but a part of me can't shake the suspicion that this is all part of some crazy plan, because the alternative is that our current administration is that incompetent.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Ratman_tf on August 30, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 30, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
Jesus Christ. Reports coming in that Biden's drone strike hit the house of an Afghani interpreter and his family, killed them all including six kids. Some 'mastermind'.

Normally I'd be suspicious but holy fuck, the Pederast In Chief is out to lunch and it's clear the military leaders would rather chase 'white rage' and make sure their diversity quotas are filled.

Maybe it's incompetence instead of malice, but a part of me can't shake the suspicion that this is all part of some crazy plan, because the alternative is that our current administration is that incompetent.
You really have to hope there is some plan, even if it's evil and awful. Because otherwise, holy shit, we let these people set policy?

SonTodoGato

Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime



Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust

HappyDaze

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 30, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime



Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust
I haven't gotten the impression that the media is particularly fond of Harris.

Ghostmaker

Probably because she's a rare bird: a politician with a Charisma score so low even the media can't cover it up.

Seriously. Watching her makes me long for the folksy, down-home charm of Hillary Clinton. That's how bad she is.

I've seen some amusing speculation that even Harris doesn't want to inherit this clusterfuck, hence why she's been staying away from the White House. There's also the internal power struggle dynamic, though who's on top in that battle is up in the air.

Mistwell

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 30, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime

Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust

I mean, she is both of India heritage and African heritage. And as the U.S. uses the "one drop" rule for African American I am not sure what the issue is? It's not mutually exclusive to be both.

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Mistwell on August 30, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 30, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime

Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust

I mean, she is both of India heritage and African heritage. And as the U.S. uses the "one drop" rule for African American I am not sure what the issue is? It's not mutually exclusive to be both.
We don't use the 'one drop' rule for anything, bigot.

I don't rule out that there's some liberal monkey who thinks that way, but there are no enforceable U.S. laws that utilize it.

Shasarak

Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 30, 2021, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on August 30, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 30, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime

Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust

I mean, she is both of India heritage and African heritage. And as the U.S. uses the "one drop" rule for African American I am not sure what the issue is? It's not mutually exclusive to be both.
We don't use the 'one drop' rule for anything, bigot.

I don't rule out that there's some liberal monkey who thinks that way, but there are no enforceable U.S. laws that utilize it.

Everyone is from Africa.

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pathetically struggling,
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Ratman_tf

Quote from: SonTodoGato on August 30, 2021, 03:30:59 PM
Maybe they're setting the stage for Biden's withdrawal due to his blatant senility and his replacement by Chameleon Lady and her diversity regime

Of course, she's already backed by the media! As you can guess, all criticism is simply "debunked racist far right conspiracy theories by alt-right white supremacist, anti-vaxxer, gun-toting extremists who are also antisemitic, sexist, islamophobic and xenophobic and a threat to diversity and democracy"


Fortunately we have fact checkers hired by Soros and the BBC who covered up for pedophile Jimmy Saville to tell us who to trust

https://nypost.com/2020/08/12/kamala-harris-believed-joe-bidens-accusers-until-she-didnt/

Harris is willing to entertain accusations of sexual abuse for political gain, and she's willing to ignore accusations of sexual abuse for political gain.

She is scummier than a stagnant pond. Her abrasive, annoying personality is just the cherry on the shit sundae.
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