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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2021, 11:09:53 PM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

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« Reply #181 on: August 22, 2021, 06:53:03 PM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

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« Reply #182 on: August 23, 2021, 12:59:05 AM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

  Then maybe we can get 1.5 million to 2 million successfully re located to the USA.  Sounds good to me, as we need some more people.

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« Reply #183 on: August 23, 2021, 08:07:55 AM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

  Then maybe we can get 1.5 million to 2 million successfully re located to the USA.  Sounds good to me, as we need some more people.
Not unless they can acclimate and behave themselves.

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« Reply #184 on: August 23, 2021, 08:09:58 AM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

  Then maybe we can get 1.5 million to 2 million successfully re located to the USA.  Sounds good to me, as we need some more people.
Not unless they can acclimate and behave themselves.

  I would say, judging by the general level of ability shown in taking on military standards during training and execution, they are going to fit right in.

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« Reply #185 on: August 23, 2021, 09:07:41 AM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

  Then maybe we can get 1.5 million to 2 million successfully re located to the USA.  Sounds good to me, as we need some more people.
Not unless they can acclimate and behave themselves.

  I would say, judging by the general level of ability shown in taking on military standards during training and execution, they are going to fit right in.
No way to tell. During the U.S. embassy's hurried preparations to leave, they were in possession of Afghani passports being used to draw up visas. Guess what got destroyed in the scramble?

https://news.yahoo.com/us-officials-destroyed-afghans-passports-103522867.html

Oops.

And how do we vet these people? How do we make sure they're legit and not 'long con' terrorists? Sean Parnell, a combat platoon leader in Afghanistan, detailed how a 'completely vetted' Afghani interpreter wormed his way in and engineered an IED attack against Parnell's platoon, killing one and injuring four others. This same interpreter also engineered the murder of one of his co-interpreters so he'd have full access to info as head interpreter. Nice guy, eh?

Yeah. I have no confidence we won't get a fistful of assholes, and even a fistful is too many.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #186 on: August 23, 2021, 09:13:26 AM »
  Back towards the topic, I am curious just how many refugees will be created from this whole situation.    So far it looks like the 20-40 year old dudes are shoving the women and kids out of the way to get out as fast as they can.   Maybe those are just around the airport, and the nation at large is not in total chaos.   The best part, is I for see paying the Talban a nice stipend every year to pretend they have women taking part in their government.  I hate to see people suffer and chaos, but this was going to happen no matter what once we decided to nation build.  I honestly hope the USA gets a million plus refugees.

Apparently the answer is, "As many refugees as can print papers," since the current US ruling class saw fit to issue visa documents that could easily be printed and filled out by any number of people with zero vetting. Ongoing reports on who is being evacuated reveals that the ruling class is more concerned with evacuating Afghans than it is with evacuating US citizens.

In a sane country prioritizing Afghans for evacuation before Americans would be a crime, and resettling unvetted people from foreign nations without consent should be considered an attack on Americans.

  Then maybe we can get 1.5 million to 2 million successfully re located to the USA.  Sounds good to me, as we need some more people.
Not unless they can acclimate and behave themselves.

  I would say, judging by the general level of ability shown in taking on military standards during training and execution, they are going to fit right in.
No way to tell. During the U.S. embassy's hurried preparations to leave, they were in possession of Afghani passports being used to draw up visas. Guess what got destroyed in the scramble?

https://news.yahoo.com/us-officials-destroyed-afghans-passports-103522867.html

Oops.

And how do we vet these people? How do we make sure they're legit and not 'long con' terrorists? Sean Parnell, a combat platoon leader in Afghanistan, detailed how a 'completely vetted' Afghani interpreter wormed his way in and engineered an IED attack against Parnell's platoon, killing one and injuring four others. This same interpreter also engineered the murder of one of his co-interpreters so he'd have full access to info as head interpreter. Nice guy, eh?

Yeah. I have no confidence we won't get a fistful of assholes, and even a fistful is too many.

  America is an idea.  People set foot on the soil and immediately become freedom loving, can do, self reliant patriots.  Where have you been the past 50 years?

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« Reply #187 on: August 23, 2021, 11:14:51 AM »
LOL, ogg, you ass. You know you need to toss the /sarc tag up because some idiot's going to think you're serious, right? :)

In other news: ran across this list of what we just gifted to the Taliban with our retreat.

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-2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
-75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
-45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
-50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
-ScanEagle Military Drones
-30 Military Version Cessnas
-4 C-130’s
-29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
-At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
-61,000 M203 Rounds
-20,040 Grenades
-Howitzers
-Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
-162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
-16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
-Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
-Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
-10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
-Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
-Laser Aiming Units
-Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
-2,520 Bombs
-Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops all operational
-Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
-Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
-Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
-US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
-Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators
Haven't been able to verify it yet, but it gels with a number of other stories I've seen.

Jesus Christ.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #188 on: August 23, 2021, 01:48:35 PM »
LOL, ogg, you ass. You know you need to toss the /sarc tag up because some idiot's going to think you're serious, right? :)

In other news: ran across this list of what we just gifted to the Taliban with our retreat.

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-2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
-75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
-45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
-50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
-ScanEagle Military Drones
-30 Military Version Cessnas
-4 C-130’s
-29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
-At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
-61,000 M203 Rounds
-20,040 Grenades
-Howitzers
-Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
-162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
-16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
-Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
-Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
-10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
-Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
-Laser Aiming Units
-Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
-2,520 Bombs
-Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops all operational
-Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
-Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
-Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
-US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
-Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators
Haven't been able to verify it yet, but it gels with a number of other stories I've seen.

Jesus Christ.

   Well, I guess when the shitbirds start shopping around the idea we have to invade afghanistan to neutralize the modern armaments they have, at least this time the weapons will actually exist.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #189 on: August 23, 2021, 01:50:40 PM »
 As for the /sarc tag...I have this a great deal of thought, and I think just letting in 2 million afghan refugees is the best way for us to get right to the truth of the matter with immigration, America, and the magic freedom/self reliance soil.   

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« Reply #190 on: August 23, 2021, 03:42:57 PM »
As for the /sarc tag...I have this a great deal of thought, and I think just letting in 2 million afghan refugees is the best way for us to get right to the truth of the matter with immigration, America, and the magic freedom/self reliance soil.
See, I've always had a pragmatic view of things.

You have to indoctrinate these things into people. Twice as hard if they don't come from a culture that's anywhere near yours. Doesn't mean it can't happen but you have to do the work. As you sow, so shall you reap.

America really is built on ideas rather than ethnicity, despite what Teddy Beale hallucinates (that dumb beta cuck also thinks the ideal government is a monarchy). But you have to load those ideas in first. And I have no confidence that the current pack of 'top men' are up for it, even if our educational industry wasn't devoted to shitting all over the ideas of rules, equality, etc, etc.

People can learn and change. But you have to teach them. And if you don't teach them the right way, chances are good they'll go the wrong way. You don't need two million Afghanis to figure that question out; recent instances with teenagers acting like ferals in Philly is good enough.

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« Reply #191 on: August 23, 2021, 04:12:05 PM »
Greetings!

Yeah, our fine culture is deteriorating like a big pile of dog-shit in the summer sun, and we wonder why different people around the world have zero interest in adopting our fucking cesspool culture?

We have a years and years of work to do right here in the US to even hope to unfuck our debauched, polluted and degenerate culture, before we even think about wanting to teach other people a fucking thing.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #192 on: August 23, 2021, 05:35:45 PM »
As for the /sarc tag...I have this a great deal of thought, and I think just letting in 2 million afghan refugees is the best way for us to get right to the truth of the matter with immigration, America, and the magic freedom/self reliance soil.

First of all, I don't think that's possible. We had over a hundred thousand Vietnamese refugees just after the end of the Vietnam War, but that was only possible because they were able to leave the country by boat and shipped in large numbers - hence they were known as "boat people". Most of them could not be screened because they had few records and no way to confirm what documents they had with inside Vietnam after the government fell. Afghanistan being land-locked, this route isn't available.

Given the situation, I think we will have fewer refugees and that they will be better screened than Vietnamese refugees in 1978-79. That could certainly still be too many refugees and not enough screening for some people, but it's a relative statement. There was plenty of criticism and controversy over accepting Vietnamese refugees at the time.


Even if we were to get 2 million, though, I don't think it would show any truth that wasn't already revealed by the millions of Irish immigrants in the 1800s or the millions of various other immigrants in 20th century.

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« Reply #193 on: August 23, 2021, 05:43:54 PM »
Yeah, our fine culture is deteriorating like a big pile of dog-shit in the summer sun, and we wonder why different people around the world have zero interest in adopting our fucking cesspool culture?

We have a years and years of work to do right here in the US to even hope to unfuck our debauched, polluted and degenerate culture, before we even think about wanting to teach other people a fucking thing.

SHARK - Less that a year ago, you started a thread "Vietnamese-Americans Rally for President Trump in California". There you went on about the awesomeness of Vietnamese-Americans.

Do you still feel the same way?

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« Reply #194 on: August 23, 2021, 05:44:19 PM »
LOL, ogg, you ass. You know you need to toss the /sarc tag up because some idiot's going to think you're serious, right? :)

In other news: ran across this list of what we just gifted to the Taliban with our retreat.

Quote
-2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
-75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
-45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
-50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
-ScanEagle Military Drones
-30 Military Version Cessnas
-4 C-130’s
-29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
-At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
-61,000 M203 Rounds
-20,040 Grenades
-Howitzers
-Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
-162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
-16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
-Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
-Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
-10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
-Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
-Laser Aiming Units
-Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
-2,520 Bombs
-Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops all operational
-Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
-Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
-Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
-US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
-Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators
Haven't been able to verify it yet, but it gels with a number of other stories I've seen.

Jesus Christ.

I am convinced that sooner or later we are going to go back in, directly because of the equipment bolstering the Taliban.
This is gonna be one of those talking points that people point out when we're back, balls deep in the middle east.
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