Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!

[GriswaldTerrastone]

Except Israel. They have walls armed with mace cannons. But we have to have an open door policy, as do Europe, Canada, etc.

[Rob Necronomicon]

Except Israel. They have walls armed with mace cannons. But we have to have an open door policy, as do Europe, Canada, etc.

Indeed...

[Ghostmaker]

Sanctuary cities are places illegal aliens can go and the immigration laws are not enforced.

Hm... I wouldn't be a fan of that tbh. Mind you, pretty much everywhere is very soft on immigration these days.

Griswold is understating things. In a lot of cases, sanctuary cities have actively impeded INS/ICE from enforcing deportations upon criminals who are here illegally. Remember that next time some gormless twatwaffle wants to lecture about how 'interfering with the feds is illegal'.

Ironically, by not letting Trump stamp it out like he wanted to, the Dems left the door WIDE open for cities and counties to start declaring themselves sanctuaries from gun control laws. Oops.

[GriswaldTerrastone]

Funny thing is, minorities are buying guns like there's no tomorrow. Liberals are whining about such an event.

So, let's see- convince minorities white people in general and police in particular are out to murder them for no reason (BLM), then wonder why minorities want firepower to protect themselves.

[jeff37923]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

[Pat]

Mike Pence, an in editorial at the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764

The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe. After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise.

But when Mr. Biden became president, he quickly announced that U.S. forces would remain in Afghanistan for an additional four months without a clear reason for doing so. There was no plan to transport the billions of dollars worth of American equipment recently captured by the Taliban, or evacuate the thousands of Americans now scrambling to escape Kabul, or facilitate the regional resettlement of the thousands of Afghan refugees who will now be seeking asylum in the U.S. with little or no vetting. Rather, it seems that the president simply didn't want to appear to be abiding by the terms of a deal negotiated by his predecessor.

Once Mr. Biden broke the deal, the Taliban launched a major offensive against the Afghan government and seized Kabul. They knew there was no credible threat of force under this president.

The WSJ is also highly critical of how Biden abandoned the translators and other workers who collaborated with the US, and are likely to be exterminated. Most are still in the east of the country, far from Kabul and the fleeing Americans, who are cloistered at the airport.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-blinken-afghanistan-withdrawal-translators-special-immigrant-visas-siv-taliban-11629235840

The U.S. military could venture out to rescue them, assuming they can be located. But that's a mission President Biden is unlikely to approve given his pledge not to put one more American soldier at risk and what must be a White House fear of American hostages in Taliban hands. He's already had to redeploy more troops to the country than were there before he decided to withdraw in April.

That leaves negotiating with the Taliban. White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said Tuesday that the Taliban has agreed to allow "safe passage" for civilians, presumably Americans and foreign nationals. That's good news, though we'd like to know what the U.S. agreed to in return. Formal recognition? Foreign aid?

If they're abandoned, who will ever want to work with the US in the future?

[Prairie Dragon]

I'm sure this moved up China's plans to invade Taiwan by a few years.

China will become the Taliban's biggest opium buyer.  China will use it to pacify their own country.  They tried to a biological weapon, but oops; it spread beyond their borders.  China will quietly go in a start taking Afghanistan's abundant natural resources.  Then, it will their turn to get caught up in a war they can't win.  Taiwan won't have to worry about China.

[deathknight4044]

China will become the Taliban's biggest opium buyer. 

Probably

China will use it to pacify their own country. 

Why would they need to do that? The west is engaging in rutalistic suicide as China grows, expands their trade, colonizes Africa, and is on path of having a comfortable middle class in a nation that's like 90% Han Chinese.

They tried to a biological weapon, but oops; it spread beyond their borders. 

They managed to kneecap the world and come out relatively unscathed. I fail to see how China is the losers in this situation.

China will quietly go in a start taking Afghanistan's abundant natural resources.  Then, it will their turn to get caught up in a war they can't win.

Given that they aren't likely to have any regard for optics or play with kid gloves it seems doubtful.

Taiwan won't have to worry about China.

They'll take it in the coming years as the United States saber rattles. They're a serious country and are increasingly aware that the United States (and much of the west in general) is not.

[jeff37923]

If they're abandoned, who will ever want to work with the US in the future?

Who in the world really wants to work with the US now under the current administration?

[Ratman_tf]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

Is this insightful though? It's been a theme for... as long as I can remember... that bueracracy is ineffective and ephemeral, that "Empires go to Afghanistan to die", and that the boots on the ground get left holding the bag.
Maybe it's valuable to repeat it again, for people who haven't heard, but man, this was the argument around Afghanistan and the middle east in general long before 9/11. We didn't pay attention then, and we're unlikely to pay attention now.

Go to the middle east, fuck around for years, run away. Maybe things get better, usually they get worse. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Pat]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

Is this insightful though? It's been a theme for... as long as I can remember... that bueracracy is ineffective and ephemeral, that "Empires go to Afghanistan to die", and that the boots on the ground get left holding the bag.
Maybe it's valuable to repeat it again, for people who haven't heard, but man, this was the argument around Afghanistan and the middle east in general long before 9/11. We didn't pay attention then, and we're unlikely to pay attention now.

Go to the middle east, fuck around for years, run away. Maybe things get better, usually they get worse. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think the criticism of the ever-changing leadership priorities among the US military leadership, and their incentive to score points for the short-term prestige of their units, was on point. But the whole part about "what we really should have done..." is bullshit. There's no indication a consistent long term strategy would have miraculously made it work. The Middle East is a quagmire. It's not a quagmire of the US's making; the roots are in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. But the US has definitely made it worse with the endless wars and interventions.

[horsesoldier]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

Is this insightful though? It's been a theme for... as long as I can remember... that bueracracy is ineffective and ephemeral, that "Empires go to Afghanistan to die", and that the boots on the ground get left holding the bag.
Maybe it's valuable to repeat it again, for people who haven't heard, but man, this was the argument around Afghanistan and the middle east in general long before 9/11. We didn't pay attention then, and we're unlikely to pay attention now.

Go to the middle east, fuck around for years, run away. Maybe things get better, usually they get worse. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think the criticism of the ever-changing leadership priorities among the US military leadership, and their incentive to score points for the short-term prestige of their units, was on point. But the whole part about "what we really should have done..." is bullshit. There's no indication a consistent long term strategy would have miraculously made it work. The Middle East is a quagmire. It's not a quagmire of the US's making; the roots are in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. But the US has definitely made it worse with the endless wars and interventions.

This is generally true but Afghanistan was never part of the Ottoman empire. And regarding the Ottoman's, they kept control of unruly provinces by executing the leaders of said province every time shit started. They'd show up, arrest the local leaders, and kill them. Once they lost the ability to project power (ala Saudi Arabia) it started to fall apart.

I don't think such a strategy would have worked in Afghanistan, short of genocide.

[oggsmash]

America indirectly, yes. But that elite pulls the strings, and have for some time. Again, they fight by proxy, and that elite wants ALL of western society undermined and destroyed. As long as that elite group runs things this will happen again.

In case you haven't noticed we here in America "must" take in loads of "refugees." The ones from south of our borders. If you are not American look up "sanctuary city."

Yeah, all the elites have the keys and the US military are just the pawns.

I don't know what Sanctuary City is.

Well, unfortunately you guys should also take the brunt for Syria, Afghanistan and Libya because you guys invaded and left those places in the shit. Not really Europe's problem, although we will end up paying a heavy price.

   I was not aware the USA invaded Syria.  I do think some weapons the USA sent to 'freedom fighters' ended up in radical hands fighting Assad, but at least when the DC dipshits tried to get an invasion rolling over lies about nerve gas the people in the USA said 'nope'.  Europe fucked themselves in agreeing to take any refugees.  USA did wreck Libya, but when I say USA I mean the military-industrial machine.  I have some news for you, they DO control the keys for the most part other than mass boots on ground.  They also suffer ZERO effects from taking in third world barbarians who can not learn to do jumping jacks and bang 10 year olds.  So they are going to try to sell the USA on taking massive numbers of refugees, DURING A FUCKING PANDEMIC THAT THEY KEEP SCREECHING ABOUT.   

    I hope european nations are smart enough this time to just say no.   I have no idea what happens here, I suspect a bunch of places that "lack diversity" get a nice infusion of afghanis.   Oh how the party is so about to start.

[jeff37923]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

Is this insightful though? It's been a theme for... as long as I can remember... that bueracracy is ineffective and ephemeral, that "Empires go to Afghanistan to die", and that the boots on the ground get left holding the bag.
Maybe it's valuable to repeat it again, for people who haven't heard, but man, this was the argument around Afghanistan and the middle east in general long before 9/11. We didn't pay attention then, and we're unlikely to pay attention now.

Go to the middle east, fuck around for years, run away. Maybe things get better, usually they get worse. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think the criticism of the ever-changing leadership priorities among the US military leadership, and their incentive to score points for the short-term prestige of their units, was on point. But the whole part about "what we really should have done..." is bullshit. There's no indication a consistent long term strategy would have miraculously made it work. The Middle East is a quagmire. It's not a quagmire of the US's making; the roots are in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. But the US has definitely made it worse with the endless wars and interventions.

There's no indication a consistent long term strategy would have miraculously made it workas you say, but that was also apparently never tried either.

[Reckall]

https://amplifiedbeing.com/2021/08/15/what-just-happened/?fbclid=IwAR3TFb52Joiho7_qdrFqrva15rM1khUSr2jVlKz_2e_hOiRqCKpy9dL08i8

Some insightful opinion from one of those Boots On The Ground.

"We weren't in Afghanistan 20 years. We were in Afghanistan one year, 20 distinct times."

How true