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Author Topic: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!  (Read 7414 times)

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Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« on: August 16, 2021, 04:44:19 PM »


The old thread seemed to have drifted to the topic of Biden, so I figured it was time for a new thread.

The impetus, of course, is the US withdrawl of troops, from Afghanistan, leaving behind millions in equipment, the Taliban swiftly moving to capture territory, and the terrified Afghan people left behind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-weighs-address-nation-afghanistan-crumbles-n1276885
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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2021, 06:24:44 AM »
It was never going to end any other way. Honestly, this isn't even Biden's fault. It was a forever war, or this happening. No matter when it happened, it was going to. The Neoconservative fantasy is responsible for this.
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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2021, 07:06:26 AM »
It was never going to end any other way. Honestly, this isn't even Biden's fault. It was a forever war, or this happening. No matter when it happened, it was going to. The Neoconservative fantasy is responsible for this.

   I agree, except for the fact that Biden did vote to invade.   Reality is Biden has never been against foreign adventures.  These were just his chickens coming home to roost.  I do not think there are any neoconservative fantasies (that spreading democracy from a bomb bay really works), I think there are things neocons say, all the while just making stacks of cash for a select few.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2021, 08:22:29 AM »
It was never going to end any other way. Honestly, this isn't even Biden's fault. It was a forever war, or this happening. No matter when it happened, it was going to. The Neoconservative fantasy is responsible for this.
Yes and no. There's a little nuance here.

If we had opted for a punitive campaign, a la Desert Storm, we'd have been over and done with long ago. But because (as you correctly note) the neocons get a big stiffy for 'nation building' and 'forever wars', well... we were still there after 20 years.

By comparison, the Allied occupation of Japan after World War 2 lasted seven years.

Now, Trump rolls into office, upsetting rice bowls left and right. He looks at Afghanistan and says, 'OK, enough is enough. Time to bring our boys home.' He makes a diplomatic overture to the Taliban, secures an exit date of May 1st, 2021, and informs the Afghani government that it's time they put their big boy pants on and stop fucking around.

Unfortunately, the PTB don't LIKE that, and Trump 'loses' the election. Biden rolls in, and because the derp state/proggy narrative is to NEVER EVER let Trump have a point in the win column, Biden's handlers opt to alter the deal. Except they're not Darth fuckin' Vader.

And to no one's surprise, the Taliban gets pissed off. And when May 2 rolls around, they go on the warpath and start rolling up Afghan territory through military conflict or just subverting local commanders via bribery. Suddenly they're at the fucking gates of Kabul.

We should have had sufficient airlift to move everyone -- Americans, Afghanis allied with us, and equipment -- staged and ready. But we didn't. Because we were using it to ferry fucking illegal immigrants around the U.S.! What a BRILLIANT plan!

So it's a mad dash for the exit, abandoning a shit ton of military hardware and more than a few civilian Americans in Kabul. Way to fucking go.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2021, 09:02:17 AM »
I'm sure this moved up China's plans to invade Taiwan by a few years.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2021, 09:26:37 AM »
I'm sure this moved up China's plans to invade Taiwan by a few years.
Yup.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231745.shtml

If I lived in Taiwan I'd be looking for an exit strategy, or figuring out how to welcome my future CCP overlords.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2021, 09:41:25 AM »
I don’t know too much about this but I have a question: US troops have stayed “forever” in Germany and elsewhere. Why couldn’t troops be withdrawn from less dangerous countries and stay in Afghanistan?

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2021, 09:53:37 AM »
Greetings!

Very interesting commentary by Tucker Carlson on Biden's Afghanistan debacle.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2021, 09:56:27 AM »
Greetings!

Steve Hilton discusses the Afghanistan fiasco. Steve Hilton breaks Biden down in a blistering commentary!

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2021, 10:33:06 AM »
I don’t know too much about this but I have a question: US troops have stayed “forever” in Germany and elsewhere. Why couldn’t troops be withdrawn from less dangerous countries and stay in Afghanistan?

  Honestly, I am not a big fan of the military bases on foreign soil at all.  I am fine with a full withdrawal, could it have gone better?  Maybe, but it was always going to be bad, there NEVER should have been an occupation.  A quick wrath of god firestorm on parties responsible for a hand in 9/11 and leave IMO.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2021, 11:28:31 AM »


Somehow, I like to imagine these guys nodding gravely and wisely while listening at this tune:

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2021, 11:33:43 AM »
Honestly....I don't care if it was biden or whomever. I don't feel right using this as a 'OWN' against the dems. I feel thouroughly ashamed and terrible for the collaborators that will die for trying to help the USA.
I don't think Trumps plan would have been all that better to be honest. It would have broken down in a month instead of a week.

I don't feel great that we have been playing hot potato with this mess between administrations. I feel like...We really need to look inside and get our shit together before we do anything again on the world stage.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2021, 11:41:47 AM »
Honestly....I don't care if it was biden or whomever. I don't feel right using this as a 'OWN' against the dems. I feel thouroughly ashamed and terrible for the collaborators that will die for trying to help the USA.
I don't think Trumps plan would have been all that better to be honest. It would have broken down in a month instead of a week.

I don't feel great that we have been playing hot potato with this mess between administrations. I feel like...We really need to look inside and get our shit together before we do anything again on the world stage.
Well said. We rarely agree, but here we do.

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2021, 11:52:44 AM »
Honestly....I don't care if it was biden or whomever. I don't feel right using this as a 'OWN' against the dems. I feel thouroughly ashamed and terrible for the collaborators that will die for trying to help the USA.
I don't think Trumps plan would have been all that better to be honest. It would have broken down in a month instead of a week.

I don't feel great that we have been playing hot potato with this mess between administrations. I feel like...We really need to look inside and get our shit together before we do anything again on the world stage.
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Yeah, I don't think so. I've just spent years being called racist, deplorable, etc, etc for the high crime of not being down with the progtard narrative.

Don't expect me to lift a finger, except for the middle one.

Oh yeah. And we left thousands of actual Americans in Afghanistan, too, per the Pentagon Press Sec.
https://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-spokesperson-john-kirby-says-there-are-thousands-americans-still-afghanistan-1620144

But then, this is what the left wanted, right?

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Re: Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2021, 11:54:22 AM »
Honestly....I don't care if it was biden or whomever. I don't feel right using this as a 'OWN' against the dems. I feel thouroughly ashamed and terrible for the collaborators that will die for trying to help the USA.
I don't think Trumps plan would have been all that better to be honest. It would have broken down in a month instead of a week.

I don't feel great that we have been playing hot potato with this mess between administrations. I feel like...We really need to look inside and get our shit together before we do anything again on the world stage.

Well, the man could at least stop his vacation to look like he's in control.