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Biden's Presidency, all hail the Taliban!
HappyDaze:
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 17, 2021, 11:52:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on August 17, 2021, 11:33:43 AM ---Honestly....I don't care if it was biden or whomever. I don't feel right using this as a 'OWN' against the dems. I feel thouroughly ashamed and terrible for the collaborators that will die for trying to help the USA.
I don't think Trumps plan would have been all that better to be honest. It would have broken down in a month instead of a week.
I don't feel great that we have been playing hot potato with this mess between administrations. I feel like...We really need to look inside and get our shit together before we do anything again on the world stage.
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*laughs in 'deplorable'*
Yeah, I don't think so. I've just spent years being called racist, deplorable, etc, etc for the high crime of not being down with the progtard narrative.
Don't expect me to lift a finger, except for the middle one.
Oh yeah. And we left thousands of actual Americans in Afghanistan, too, per the Pentagon Press Sec.
https://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-spokesperson-john-kirby-says-there-are-thousands-americans-still-afghanistan-1620144
But then, this is what the left wanted, right?
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I don't think this is what anyone really wanted, but there are certainly opportunists that want to rush to weaponize the outcome for their political narrative. Try not to be one of those while people are still in harms way, ok?
Reckall:
--- Quote from: RPGPundit on August 17, 2021, 06:24:44 AM ---It was never going to end any other way. Honestly, this isn't even Biden's fault. It was a forever war, or this happening. No matter when it happened, it was going to. The Neoconservative fantasy is responsible for this.
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I agree that Biden was the guy left without a chair when the music stopped. And I agree that no one can be singled out for a mess 20 years in the making. This is not a situation where you can point one finger.
How the pull out was handled, however, is appalling. The Italian Press Agency reported these exact words from Abdul Ghani Baradar, one of the Taliban head honchos: "We won an unexpected victory, and we won so fast and through such unexpected ways that now we all must show humility in front of Allah".
I mean... the Talibans were got flat footed by the way the US pulled out. :o How much deeper one wants to dig?
And yet Biden managed to dig even deeper. First he assured that the Afghan Army was the bestest ever seen this side of the II SS Division Das Reich, then he pointed his finger at them because "they folded".
What? YOU assured the World that it was a strong army. It was trained and armed by YOU. Someone, somewhere, wrote an evaluation about the Afghan Army that YOU accepted and proclaimed as truth. And now you point fingers? Where, in your career, Mr. Biden, you missed the memo "It's the Job of the Leader to Accept Responsibility"?
Same with "The Stability of the Afghan Government".
"No evacuation via helicopters like in Saigon" ---> Immediate evacuation via helicopters like in Saigon.
"We were not there to build a nation". So you spent trillions in landscaping I guess. But actually this declaration is so nonsensical that it borders the farcical by itself - no need to comment.
I never liked Trump and I don't like the current batch of Republicans (not their majority at least) but what just happened in Afghanistan is indefensible. Some images from this debacle are already forever burned in the collective conscious.
Even worse, I feel that both the US and the West should now take a breath and say "How we messed up so badly in two wars across 20 years"? And it should be a bipartisan soul searching. Instead, we will have a finger pointing storm mostly based on the last 20 days.
Shrieking Banshee:
--- Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 17, 2021, 11:52:44 AM ---*laughs in 'deplorable'*
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I got called all those things as well. But Im still not being shot or put on a execution list.
People in Afghanistan are. I feel bad that through whatever USA crap, they are dying for it.
Rob Necronomicon:
As Pundit said this was never going to end well no matter who was in charge.
Desert Storm was legit at least. However, not finishing the job was stupid. But the Afghan invasion was a terrible decision (Bush was even advised not to go in as it would end up being a 'quagmire'). Twenty years later and it has achieved very little except stoking up more hatred of the west. I also think that American and British intervention in places like Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc. have proliferated Islam in Europe (given the refugees that spilled over into our countries).
If I was the Americans now, I'd definitely keep the troops out of these places (as they really don't want or like westerners) and spend that two trillion dollars on homeland security. Of course you've still got options for spec ops and drone sticks on strategic terrorist leaders or training camps.
Pat
BANNED:
CNN is reporting on the ground in Kabul that "they're chanting death to America, but they seem friendly at the same time."
I'm having flashbacks to "fiery but mostly peaceful protests."
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