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Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
« Reply #345 on: July 02, 2022, 06:10:22 PM »
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

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« Reply #346 on: July 02, 2022, 06:13:56 PM »
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.

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Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
« Reply #347 on: July 02, 2022, 11:59:51 PM »
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

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https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/thorium.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

The wikipedia article has some good links attached to it along with a basic overview.

https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html

Of particular interest to me was the section on Thorium Myths.
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« Reply #348 on: July 03, 2022, 12:02:17 AM »
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.

I don't expect more out of Biden than token efforts. He is propped up by the same Greens that propped up Obama, and Greens have been terrified of nuclear since their inception.
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« Reply #349 on: July 03, 2022, 03:45:59 AM »
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.



The Biden administration did not give an explanation after it missed its own deadline to plan future oil and gas lease sales Thursday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-misses-major-oil-lease-deadline-an-absolute-disgrace/ar-AAZ4RPp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ddc0a96900d94a838c518fef24e73441

This is intentional sabotage.

Exhibit A:

CNN: "What do you say to those families that say, 'listen, we can't afford to pay $4.85 a gallon for months, if not years?’"

BIDEN ADVISOR BRIAN DEESE: "This is about the future of the Liberal World Order and we have to stand firm."
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1542684948519419908


"...We must understand that our rulers are traitors of our Nation who are devoted to the elimination of populations, and that all of their actions are carried out in order to cause the greatest amount of harm to citizens. It is not a problem of inexperience or inability but rather of an intentio nocendi – a deliberate intention to harm. Honest citizens find it inconceivable that those who govern them could do it with the perverse intention of undermining and destroying them, so much so that they find it very hard to believe. The main cause of this very serious problem is found in the corruption of authority along with the resigned obedience of those who are governed."

"Nothing that the wicked do is going to “work” in the traditional sense, nothing is going to function “properly”, because they actually seek to manage the inevitable collapse of their evil order in a form that will permit them to retain their influence, fancy pants, and lollipops."



In other news:

A vegan burger made to taste like Human Meat received an AWARD in Cannes.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/vegan-burger-hyped-for-tasting-like-human-meat-wins-award/

How do they know what human meat tastes like?
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« Reply #350 on: July 03, 2022, 10:43:24 AM »
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.
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« Reply #351 on: July 03, 2022, 11:45:29 AM »
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.
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« Reply #352 on: July 03, 2022, 12:24:54 PM »
Reason is not dead here yet.

Although you are certainly trying to kill it.
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« Reply #353 on: July 03, 2022, 12:39:11 PM »
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

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« Reply #354 on: July 03, 2022, 02:52:01 PM »
When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

I agree that it's a problem, but it's a problem that the world has *always* had. In the past, it was oligarchs like the Rockefellers, the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Hearsts who dominated public policy.

Going back further in the past, you had corporations like the British East India company who literally ruled India, or the Dole corporation who conquered the Kingdom of Hawaii.

I agree that the best way out of this is supporting anti-corporate politicians, but the mainstream of both parties is moved by corporations - because they control public opinion to a large degree. We need more voters who are willing to accept inconvenience and hardship in order to resist corporate domination, and elect in primaries and local races politicians who don't support corporate control.

And it's always a question of lesser evil. The best way is to start with local races like mayor and city council. There is exactly one member of my city council whom I support, for example.

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« Reply #355 on: July 03, 2022, 03:01:50 PM »
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

Damn, reasonable people are posting all over today. Must be the season for them. I'm behind your view here pretty much completely.
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« Reply #356 on: July 03, 2022, 03:51:50 PM »
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

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« Reply #357 on: July 03, 2022, 04:34:34 PM »
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.
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« Reply #358 on: July 03, 2022, 04:37:43 PM »
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.

It helps you to agree with a post when the poster makes a cogent point in a fair and reasonable, non offensive tone.   8)
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« Reply #359 on: July 03, 2022, 04:48:33 PM »
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

Classical liberalism ran into some problems in the post ww2 era. Nuclear weapons changed the world. It was foreseeable that nations could be utterly destroyed quickly within tge dominf few decades. This mandated a much stronger military with nuclear deterrent capacity, which mandated a strong central authority to maintain nuclear security.

Also globalization made a unified government for America necessary as we could not have each state deciding how to deal with foreign governments. Now that foreign nations could pose a more dangerous threat faster than before again, a centralized power was needed more than ever before.

Also globalization and automation changed socioeconomic dynamics heavily. With unemployment caused by both you needed social liberalism to deal with the changing dynamics.

The definition of liberalism has had to evolve in the post ww2 reality.
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