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Author Topic: The security state, censorship, and election interference  (Read 2370 times)

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2024, 12:34:43 AM »
Greetings!

I was doing some work on my campaign, and listening to different music. I couldn't help but to wonder what our crime rate and cultural environment would be like here in America if we had more cultural diversity such as this beautiful woman, Ekaterina Shelehova.

I don't speak Russian, unfortunately. I'm always amazed how such music, like this beautiful song, can affect people so powerfully, while not understanding a single word of this woman's language.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2024, 12:49:54 AM »
Greetings!

Here is another stunning treat of a song from Ekaterina Shelehova.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2024, 07:39:34 PM »
Diversity kills...

DocJones, do you have the numbers behind those maps? The main trends I see is similar to the state-level crime maps I showed before. There are high crime rates around the high black population and high poverty region in the Southeast around Mississippi, as well as on Native American reservations.

Outside of those two most obvious trends, it's less clear. A geographic area map makes it harder to see the dominant population in cities. For example, among big cities, the SF Bay Area is minority white -- and has lower crime rates than the most majority white cities like Columbus or Indianapolis.
I have no idea what the source is as the links are no longer valid.  It is as it says based on homicide not general crime.
As far as SF is concerned, the next largest demographic other than white is east Asian, which communities have never shown a high homicide rate in the US.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2024, 10:00:48 AM »
 Columbus and Indianapolis are about 50 percent White...so not exactly a huge majority.  They both also are approaching 30 percent in another demographic that tends to be MUCH more indicative of a high violent crime rate.  EDITED to add - I also suspect Columbus being the 2nd largest population of Somalis might have something to do with that "White Majority" city having high crime rates.
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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2024, 02:00:38 AM »
Diversity kills...

DocJones, do you have the numbers behind those maps? The main trends I see is similar to the state-level crime maps I showed before. There are high crime rates around the high black population and high poverty region in the Southeast around Mississippi, as well as on Native American reservations.

Outside of those two most obvious trends, it's less clear. A geographic area map makes it harder to see the dominant population in cities. For example, among big cities, the SF Bay Area is minority white -- and has lower crime rates than the most majority white cities like Columbus or Indianapolis.

I have no idea what the source is as the links are no longer valid.  It is as it says based on homicide not general crime.
As far as SF is concerned, the next largest demographic other than white is east Asian, which communities have never shown a high homicide rate in the US.

I'm not sure if we're disagreeing. My point was that there isn't any simple trend, as is implied by "diversity kills". The main trends are that big cities have higher crime, and that poorer neighborhoods have higher crime. There are high homicide rates are associated with Native American reservations and historically African-American ghettoes, but not with "diversity" generally.

Columbus and Indianapolis are about 50 percent White...so not exactly a huge majority.  They both also are approaching 30 percent in another demographic that tends to be MUCH more indicative of a high violent crime rate.  EDITED to add - I also suspect Columbus being the 2nd largest population of Somalis might have something to do with that "White Majority" city having high crime rates.

OK, but the city with the 1st highest population of Somalis is Minneapolis, which has a much lower homicide rate than Columbus (10.0 vs 16.3 per 100k).

As far as the other demographic, you're talking about African-Americans, right? I agree that there's a lot of high-poverty, high-crime, high-black-population areas of the U.S. - including in many midwest cities and broadly in the Southeast around Mississippi. That's been that way for a long time - basically since the U.S. Civil War.

The question is, what political policies make a difference in this? I don't have an answer for that. The region around Mississippi has been a Republican stronghold for decades, and state policies don't seem to make much of a difference. On the other hand, more blue states like Illinois and Michigan haven't done much better with their high-crime cities. Though I'd note that high-immigration cities in blue states like New York and San Francisco have much lower crime rates, while also having low percentage of white people.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2024, 09:54:36 AM »
  San fran has made many crimes non crimes.  Just like NYC.   There is NO policy that will fix urban crime problems caused by teens and youths.   Let's see how long NYC stays "low crime" with their new influx of "immigrants".    Chicago and Detroit are well known success stories in the lowering of violent crime in Illinois and Michigan.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2024, 11:51:51 AM »
  San fran has made many crimes non crimes.  Just like NYC.   There is NO policy that will fix urban crime problems caused by teens and youths.   Let's see how long NYC stays "low crime" with their new influx of "immigrants".    Chicago and Detroit are well known success stories in the lowering of violent crime in Illinois and Michigan.

I was talking about homicide rates, which are the most clear-cut among crime rates for comparison.

For policy, you say there's no fixing crime, but crime rates went down by nearly half across the U.S. from a peak around 1990 to the early 2000s. Rates have risen some since then, but are still below their 1990s peak. That's nationally. For specific states and cities, there are some different patterns of change. So something changes crime rates, though I wouldn't claim I know what does it.

As far as immigration, NYC and SF have been centers for immigration for essentially all of their histories, and certainly since the trend of rising immigration since 1965. Yet their homicide rates have gone down over the past few decades. I'm open to being shown otherwise, but it looks to me like the high immigration rates don't correlate to high crime.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2024, 11:00:35 AM »
 Crime bill reduced most of the crime rates...which many people say it was raging racist...so...

  As for using homicide as a metric...you do understand we are about 3-4 times better at saving people in life threatening distress now than we were in the 90's right?   So using Homicide as a violent crime metric is borderline retarded.  I remember looking up Ecuador's crime rates.  It had about 3.5 times the homicide rate the USA did....but...it also had 1/80th the violent crime rates. 

  Crime bill shows that harsh punishment for violent crime (especially when connected to street drug crimes) will reduce violent crime rates...but that sort of policy is out the window as it was "racist" due to who gets locked up from violent crimes disproportionately (despite committing such crimes disproportionately).  So yeah policy is NOT going to answer it because retards making policy do not use reality as any sort of metric to make policy.

  As for immigration...you yourself already said homicide is your only metric for crime (which is retarded)...so lets see how that works out now that the full weight of Hart Sellar (that reason immigration suddenly went up in 1965) bears down onto those immigrant welcome centers.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2024, 08:12:04 AM »
  San fran has made many crimes non crimes.  Just like NYC.   There is NO policy that will fix urban crime problems caused by teens and youths.   Let's see how long NYC stays "low crime" with their new influx of "immigrants".    Chicago and Detroit are well known success stories in the lowering of violent crime in Illinois and Michigan.

I was talking about homicide rates, which are the most clear-cut among crime rates for comparison.

For policy, you say there's no fixing crime, but crime rates went down by nearly half across the U.S. from a peak around 1990 to the early 2000s. Rates have risen some since then, but are still below their 1990s peak. That's nationally. For specific states and cities, there are some different patterns of change. So something changes crime rates, though I wouldn't claim I know what does it.

As far as immigration, NYC and SF have been centers for immigration for essentially all of their histories, and certainly since the trend of rising immigration since 1965. Yet their homicide rates have gone down over the past few decades. I'm open to being shown otherwise, but it looks to me like the high immigration rates don't correlate to high crime.

Also there was a large decrease in murder in 2023 with murder rates seeming to be going back down to pre-pandemic low levels. Unless something else happens to make murder rates go up and down murder rates should stabilize as the people who had their brains fucked by leaded gasoline are too old to get up to much murder these days.

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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2024, 12:51:52 PM »
  As for using homicide as a metric...you do understand we are about 3-4 times better at saving people in life threatening distress now than we were in the 90's right? 
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Re: The security state, censorship, and election interference
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As far as immigration, NYC and SF have been centers for immigration for essentially all of their histories, and certainly since the trend of rising immigration since 1965. Yet their homicide rates have gone down over the past few decades. I'm open to being shown otherwise, but it looks to me like the high immigration rates don't correlate to high crime.

People are talking about increasing crime rate from a mass influx of illegal aliens coming over our unsecured Southern border.  They are not talking about the kind of controlled immigration that happened at ports of entry like NYC or SF in previous eras.  Conflating these two things is highly disingenuous.  Are you just deathly allergic to responding to what people have said or addressing the actual issue at hand?  Will you go into anaphylactic shock and die if you do that?  I can't remember a single time I have seen you respond in good faith to the actual substance of what people are saying or the actual issue under discussion.
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