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Title: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 15, 2021, 06:42:00 PM
Greetings!

Here, Sean Hannity provides a quick rundown of the cascade of failed policies instituted by Biden throughout the American government and economy. Eye opening for sure. Just amazing how swiftly Biden and Kamala are destroying America. So sad.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Horace on October 15, 2021, 08:46:33 PM
It really is a monumental disaster.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 15, 2021, 11:11:03 PM
Biden's Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, has been conspicuously absent for discussions about the supply chain choke.

That's because Buttigieg's been out on paid paternity leave with his partner. Since fucking August.

Folks, I'm not gonna mince words here. We all know damn well neither Butters or his butt-buddy didn't pop their kids out. So it can't be physical issues, injury, or illness from pregnancy/postpartum.

So why's he been out? Well, for one, this is a sinecure. Bootyjudge's qualifications for his position were (a) he likes trains, (b) he's gay, and (c) he didn't interfere when the DNC shoehorned Sleepy Joe into the nomination.

I suspect another reason is that while he may be a politician he's not a complete moron. Much like Heels-Up Harris, he's avoiding DC as much as possible because he knows things are going to get a lot worse.

But hey -- no more mean tweets, right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:57:16 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Spinachcat on October 16, 2021, 04:33:22 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 12:07:49 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on October 16, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
His partner could address the day-to-day, but unlike most parents, they have the $$ to afford a nanny or two to assist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 16, 2021, 02:27:14 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Blink_Dog on October 16, 2021, 02:42:04 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Kathy Geiss from 30 Rock became Sec of the treasury.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Secretary_Janet_Yellen_portrait.jpg/800px-Secretary_Janet_Yellen_portrait.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lGHI6kPUweE/mqdefault.jpg)

A definite C-O-N-spiracy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 16, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
At least half (if not more) the blame lies on the Republican party / conservative movement which has consistently failed to provide meaningful opposition to the totalitarian left, and in many cases intentionally works with & buys into the totalitarian left's framing.

Of course the failure was was baked into the cake pretty much as soon as the Federal Reserve was created. Being able to print money is basically a cheat code for real life.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 16, 2021, 05:28:01 PM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 07:49:20 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2021, 08:15:34 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Blink_Dog on October 16, 2021, 09:08:15 PM


OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

I have often wondered if when things like this happen, it is intended to trigger a revolution or coup. Like a BS litmus test.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 16, 2021, 09:34:00 PM
The Buttgieg thing is awful no doubt, but this country is so far beyond giving a damn about whether a CIA face shows up for his do-nothing job.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2021, 10:56:31 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
It's a reward, not a job. You seem to be relying on an archaic notions like a "worth ethic" or "earning a living".

And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 16, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 17, 2021, 06:40:17 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on October 17, 2021, 10:58:08 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.
Quite right. All of it is intentional.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 11:36:07 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on October 17, 2021, 11:39:21 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.
Quite right. All of it is intentional.
All part of the "Great Reset".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 17, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 17, 2021, 01:00:58 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Horace on October 17, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.

You can't expect that level of self-awareness from the useful idiots that voted for Biden. The media is telling them that life is better under Biden, and they believe it. Most of them don't even experience any form of cognitive dissonance, because they simply are not that aware of what's going on around them. Their celebrity idols are happy, the media is happy, and the late-night talk show hosts are happy. That's their whole view of the world. The few of them who do experience cognitive dissonance (from, say, empty store shelves or rising costs) immediately flee into the arms of the media and their celebrity idols, who assure them that it is all the Republicans' fault somehow. And they believe it. Nothing can pierce the bubble they live in.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that all that felt that Trump was a barely sentient circus peanut voted for Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 17, 2021, 02:40:45 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.

Greetings!

They don't care, my friend. They have been brainwashed by Marxism. They hate America, and they rejoice at America's destruction. They gleefully enjoy America being transformed into a Marxist, nanny-state "Utopia".

They are all like filthy, diseased rats.

I've seen countless videos of these fucking morons. Giggling, shrieking, sobbing, they are only capable of repeating Leftist talking points handed to them from Liberal, cock-sucking media. Whenever someone attempts to actually hold a reasonable, adult conversation with them on a particular topic--the vast majority of them merely reveal an abyss of absolute ignorance and twisted, corrupted interpretations of anything, whether it is economics, politics, history, religion, social policy, foreign policy, or whatever.

They are like evil pod-people, infected with a disease of the mind and spirit. Dogs have greater moral values and a better grasp of common sense than Liberal Marxists. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 17, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

Greetings!

Damn straight it is entirely intentional, my friend!

Fucking disgusting. Our country is so fucked with these scum in charge.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 03:23:27 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
It's kind of ironic blaming orange man bad sentiment for the unprecedented monetary inflation last year.

You know, when Trump was president.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 17, 2021, 04:02:23 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 04:05:20 PM
That's why the US has a presidential line of succession. That way 18 out of 19 can go maternity/paternity leave at the same time, and there will still be a president!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 17, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!


Don't make the mistake of assuming that all that felt that Trump was a barely sentient circus peanut voted for Biden.

That feeling you get when you realise the barely sentient circus peanut was the good choice.

Priceless
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on October 17, 2021, 04:33:30 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
You should know by now that Happyderp never argues in good faith.  Just make fun of him and move on...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 17, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

Why is it the Biden team is always "on leave" when the shit hits the fan?

Correlation is not causation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:40:18 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
You should know by now that Happyderp never argues in good faith.  Just make fun of him and move on...
Keep trying, little bitch. You're the fool here.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:41:49 PM
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

Why is it the Biden team is always "on leave" when the shit hits the fan?

Correlation is not causation.
I can't answer foe that in a general sense, just in the specific case of Butters and his paternity leave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on October 17, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 05:50:54 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 06:28:13 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
I'm no fan of Biden, but there's quite a difference between what someone has said and what you think someone might say.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
I'm no fan of Biden, but there's quite a difference between what someone has said and what you think someone might say.
I'd think Biden's long record of opposing gay marriage would be a bigger issue to a gay man than a joke about paternity leave, but I guess they bribed him real good.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 17, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 18, 2021, 04:52:53 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 05:17:02 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.
Why the fuck would I do that? I'm no fan of Pelosi.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 18, 2021, 05:51:49 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.

Greetings!

The White Knight for Pelosi! *Laughing* ;D

Hilarious, Shasarak!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 19, 2021, 07:34:24 AM
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.

Creepy Joe, the senile paedophile.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KingCheops on October 19, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
They're shipping kids from the border to New York -- I guess Bill needed some pick-me-ups after his infection.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 24, 2021, 03:37:11 PM
For those of you who might be seeing empty shelves in stores, a worthwhile thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451543776992845834.html) discussing the failure at LA ports.

Telling that this is one guy doing this on his own, and not an agent of this current regime.



Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 25, 2021, 02:55:50 PM
And while America is literally coming apart from all the stressors applied, our Top. Men. (tm) are on the case with... a national gender strategy.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/22/fact-sheet-national-strategy-on-gender-equity-and-equality/

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 27, 2021, 02:34:48 AM
Meanwhile, big corp prepares the setting for “hyper inflation”. The worst in 30+ years. Oh, and the “whole world” will be affected, look at that. If only the truckers would drive at night! Come on man, let’s get those containers rolling.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 28, 2021, 02:42:11 AM
"Let's Go Brandon" is the #1 song on iTunes.

And the #2 song.

And the #3 song.

Two different songs, one with an extended version, bumped Adela out of the #1 spot. And there's a fourth "Let's Go Brandon" in the top 10.

Of course, YouTube and Instagram have banned one of the songs for "medical misinformation".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 29, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
"Let's Go Brandon" is the #1 song on iTunes.

And the #2 song.

And the #3 song.

Two different songs, one with an extended version, bumped Adela out of the #1 spot. And there's a fourth "Let's Go Brandon" in the top 10.

Of course, YouTube and Instagram have banned one of the songs for "medical misinformation".

Most popular President EVAR!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 29, 2021, 10:27:49 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

 LOL.  You still miss the point.   Get riled up fat boy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Banjo Destructo on October 29, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

How else are you supposed to "build back better" unless you destroy things first in order to build back?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 29, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

How else are you supposed to "build back better" unless you destroy things first in order to build back?
If we do not do Ditlána, we are no better than beasts!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 29, 2021, 03:32:27 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

 LOL.  You still miss the point.   Get riled up fat boy.
So what is your point? Do you just object to this one particular person taking approved leave, or is it something more?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 03, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 03, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

Greetings!

Yep! Exactly, Ghostmaker!!

Youngkin's victory in Virginia as Governor is refreshing, and hopeful. Every victory against the fucking Liberals is sweet. Hopefully, New Jersey will fall our way as well.

The fucking scum Democrats race-grifting, racism, hatred, condescension, hypocrisy, geesus, the terrible traits that they embody as an ideology and a political party, it is so sad that they have as much support as they do.

But see? If you don't embrace the Liberal ideology, the cock-sucking Marxism, then they don't think you are a woman, or black, or latino, or whatever. Women that reject Feminism=Subverted or Brainwashed by the Patriarchy; Blacks that reject Racism and CRT=Soldiers of "White Supremacy"; and on and on.

Condi Rice was blasted as a race traitor, not really black, and a "Soldier of White Supremacy" by Liberal Marxist black commentators around the country for her public rejection and criticism of CRT. Larry Elder, when recently running to be elected Governor in California, was persecuted around the country, but most famously  attacked by the LA TIMES, which said that Larry Elder was the "Black Face of White Supremacy" in a front page article. How many people have vilified Candace Owens?

I rejoice at every victory against the Liberals. Grind them! Crush them! Every victory, whether it is in the schoolhouse or the statehouse, is savoured!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on November 04, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

The troubling thing is that the AP "declared" Gov Jerkoff the winner when Ciatarelli was ahead in the count.  So - AP gets carried by a bunch of other news groups, so it spreads like a virus.  Meanwhile, it emboldens poll workers to stop counting ballots.

We have disturbing info that Bergen Co. had ~216k ballots with 52% going to Jack and after the announcement they magically change the count to ~290k with Jerkoff having the majority.

We also have PV video showing Essex Co. poll workers letting non-citizens access to the ballots and polls.

If I were Ciatarelli, I'd not concede, demand recounts, and break out the lawyers.  I'm waiting to see how many of those ballots cast for Jerkoff were from seniors in nursing homes that he killed last year when he sent covid infected into them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 04, 2021, 09:54:36 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

The troubling thing is that the AP "declared" Gov Jerkoff the winner when Ciatarelli was ahead in the count.  So - AP gets carried by a bunch of other news groups, so it spreads like a virus.  Meanwhile, it emboldens poll workers to stop counting ballots.

We have disturbing info that Bergen Co. had ~216k ballots with 52% going to Jack and after the announcement they magically change the count to ~290k with Jerkoff having the majority.

We also have PV video showing Essex Co. poll workers letting non-citizens access to the ballots and polls.

If I were Ciatarelli, I'd not concede, demand recounts, and break out the lawyers.  I'm waiting to see how many of those ballots cast for Jerkoff were from seniors in nursing homes that he killed last year when he sent covid infected into them.
Supposedly, there's a legal team enroute to NJ now intent on challenging it.

Don't call it a grave, Democrats. It's the future you chose.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on November 04, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
And because the Democrats are incapable of introspection they are taking their loss as meaning they need to push even harder... They've finally announced the OSHA rules that include massive fines and a demand that all un-vaxxed who opt for weekly testing must be masked at all times of face $14k fines. They have also signaled intent that these mandates will be extended to ALL businesses.

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of “Men who wanted to be left Alone”.

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the “Men who wanted to be left Alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be.

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left Alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Enemy’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.“
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: rgalex on November 04, 2021, 12:16:23 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 04, 2021, 12:50:02 PM
And because the Democrats are incapable of introspection they are taking their loss as meaning they need to push even harder... They've finally announced the OSHA rules that include massive fines and a demand that all un-vaxxed who opt for weekly testing must be masked at all times of face $14k fines. They have also signaled intent that these mandates will be extended to ALL businesses.

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of “Men who wanted to be left Alone”.

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the “Men who wanted to be left Alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be.

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left Alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Enemy’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.“


Greetings!

Yeah, my friend. Absolutely right. The Democrats are going to continue pushing, pushing, pushing their fucking tyranny, control, and punishment, and eventually people will likely just snap and start killing them. Democrats blasted, and wiped the fuck out, whoever they are wherever they are. Judges, politicians, cops, none of that will matter. Either one side or the other. Those on the side of Tyranny will be wiped out, and no one will give a fuck about the niceties of the past. That chapter will be closed and done with. Guns, fire, and death have a whole different way of establishing--and enforcing reality and truth.

So sad. But fuck the tyrants. They want this, so they think they can keep pushing tyranny, and people will kneel, instead of fighting back or becoming violent. Well, they may just be opening the door to an abyss of terror that they aren't likely to survive to contemplate. So, they get it. They get what is right and proper coming to them, in full measure. I have no sympathy for these fucking animals that love tyranny and control.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on November 04, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.

"Free..."

Pfizer isn't making it out of the kindness of their hearts.  We are *all* paying for it in our taxes.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on November 04, 2021, 02:46:18 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.

"Free..."

Pfizer isn't making it out of the kindness of their hearts.  We are *all* paying for it in our taxes.
The government isn't imposing mandates out of the kindness of their hearts, either. We're paying for their power grab via overt taxes, as well as the hidden ones like inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
Greetings!

Salty Cracker laughs at the stupidity, corruption, and moral degeneracy of the Liberals!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on November 19, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on November 19, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on November 19, 2021, 03:27:27 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say I hope the procedure goes smoothly and without complication.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on November 20, 2021, 11:27:46 AM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say I hope the procedure goes smoothly and without complication.
The results of the procedure are in… Biden is full of shit.  ;)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Godfather Punk on November 20, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Then they didn't prep him right...  :o

See also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvrzUngEQRw
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2021, 01:46:13 PM
Peace in our time, baby: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-europe-vladimir-putin-8193787ec21ca2aded4a37fa325f07b5

Tell me more about how Trump was the Russian stooge, you worthless cucks. Tell me about how Biden would 'get tough' with Putin.

Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Remember: if you voted for Biden, you voted for this.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on December 09, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on December 09, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.
He lost the war to prevent desegregation of schools decades ago, Man. Now Corn Pop's gonna take little Suzie to the prom.

Or, are you talking the war against soiled drawers?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on December 09, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
Or, are you talking the war against soiled drawers?

That was more of a skirmish
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on December 09, 2021, 07:45:09 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.

Come on, man! Corn Pop was a bad dude…


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on December 11, 2021, 10:46:26 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wsj-poll-biden-leadership-economy-midterms-11638888384

Interesting poll on Biden. Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%). When asked to choose a political party, the results were highly partisan (41% blue/44% red, but a massive 32%/34% are "definitely"). Strong sense that the country's off track (27%/63%). Voters favor red when it comes to the economy and immigration, but blue when it comes to the pandemic, education, and healthcare. Neither party is particularly popular, including their presumptive leaders (Biden/Trump).

I'm calling 2024: Giant meteor for the win!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on December 29, 2021, 07:27:20 AM
Creepy Joe's year in review:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHt8SaVX0Aku3PZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on December 29, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%).

Sure those numbers will be more favorable when 2022’s checks are distributed. No worries, we’ll only be at 25% inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2022, 06:23:31 PM
Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%).

Sure those numbers will be more favorable when 2022’s checks are distributed. No worries, we’ll only be at 25% inflation.
Assuming there's anything left to buy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-10394501/Some-grocery-stores-open-shelves-supply-chain-crisis-COVID-converge.html

Yes, it's Daily Mail.

But those pictures of bare shelves should make anyone's eyebrows rise.

No more mean tweets tho, amirite?

#bareshelvesbiden
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on January 16, 2022, 03:58:49 PM
  I have no doubt Jimmy  Carter LOVES this guy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 20, 2022, 03:25:26 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms. Without the ability to 'manage' elections at the federal level (snort), they will probably face losses. How bad? Hard to say, but I have heard 28 Dem members of the House are not seeking reelection. They're punching out. I think they see what's coming and it's not gonna be pretty.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on January 20, 2022, 04:16:43 PM

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms.
If they won on the filibuster, it would be even worse. Forcing though rules that benefit the majority is not the best move when you're just about to lose your majority.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: moonsweeper on January 20, 2022, 04:32:16 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms. Without the ability to 'manage' elections at the federal level (snort), they will probably face losses. How bad? Hard to say, but I have heard 28 Dem members of the House are not seeking reelection. They're punching out. I think they see what's coming and it's not gonna be pretty.

It is similar to the 2018 midterms with record R retirement...as long as you don't control both houses and the Pres, you can BS people into believing you can't get stuff done.  Once you are in control, the voters start asking why you aren't passing what you said you were going to. (ex: Republicans and ACA)

Right now the establishment is drooling at the prospect of brushing a bunch of the domestic bad news under the media rug if they can just get Ukraine lit off soon enough.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 20, 2022, 05:16:14 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

I'm waiting for a commentary. I don't think I can stomach Biden making more of a fool of himself without something to go with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 01:09:08 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 02:24:59 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Greetings!

Good news article, my friend!

America has no business getting involved in Ukraine.

America formerly made promises to Russia that we would not expand NATO into the formerly Warsaw-Pact nations of Eastern Europe.

Vladimir Putin, just like Pepperidge Farms, remembers.

Our economy is shit. Our military is very weakened from being pumped full of SJW's.

In a fight, Russia won't be sending "Amy with two mommies that marched at a gay pride event in high school"

The Russians will be sending Ivan, from their Army Recruitment commercial.

Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 03:21:46 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Greetings!

Good news article, my friend!

America has no business getting involved in Ukraine.

America formerly made promises to Russia that we would not expand NATO into the formerly Warsaw-Pact nations of Eastern Europe.

Vladimir Putin, just like Pepperidge Farms, remembers.

Our economy is shit. Our military is very weakened from being pumped full of SJW's.

In a fight, Russia won't be sending "Amy with two mommies that marched at a gay pride event in high school"

The Russians will be sending Ivan, from their Army Recruitment commercial.

Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I agree, but here's the problem I have.

This is becoming a regular pattern. We make commitments -- stupid ones, I agree -- and then we unilaterally weasel out of them.

In other words, Chinese diplomacy. Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given how much influence the CCP seems to have these days.

I admit it's darkly hilarious to contemplate our current regime throwing troops at Ivan. Russia may not have been tested in any kind of major conflict, but I'm pretty fucking sure they're not recruiting based on 'muh diversity'. And I'll wager they're not purging their ranks of actual patriots like our current commanders seem hell bent on doing.

Part of me wants something to kick off. Nukes? Don't be ridiculous. The Russians won't need nukes. They'll wipe out the 41st Caring And Diversity Battalion without so much as screwing up the paint on their vehicles. And the regime will cry and talk about how TERRIBLE it is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 21, 2022, 05:08:11 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
What're they gonna do? Write harshly worded letters?

Let's be honest: between Mark 'White Rage!' Milley and the Afghanistan debacle, military morale is probably in the shitter. That doesn't even get into the imbecilic drive to purge any 'white supremacists' (read: anyone with non-leftist politics) in the ranks.

The left has been playing with the military as their social-engineering toy for a while, and it fucking shows what with massive deficits in training and equipment, particularly in maintenance.

I don't doubt that the Beltway would want to defend the Ukraine, if only to protect their precious rice bowls. But I doubt they can muster more than a token effort.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 21, 2022, 05:56:30 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
What're they gonna do? Write harshly worded letters?

Let's be honest: between Mark 'White Rage!' Milley and the Afghanistan debacle, military morale is probably in the shitter. That doesn't even get into the imbecilic drive to purge any 'white supremacists' (read: anyone with non-leftist politics) in the ranks.

The left has been playing with the military as their social-engineering toy for a while, and it fucking shows what with massive deficits in training and equipment, particularly in maintenance.

I don't doubt that the Beltway would want to defend the Ukraine, if only to protect their precious rice bowls. But I doubt they can muster more than a token effort.

Please, the Military Industrial Complex is not going to waste this opportunity.

And who better to lead the bayonet charge then Silly Milley.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 06:50:33 PM
Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

Greetings!

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

Contrary to US politicians bravado--it's all empty hot air, or like a tranny making a wet fart on the couch.

In recent years, US and NATO Generals have conducted exercises, studies, and wargames, projecting war against Russia.

NATO and the US get their asses blown out everytime by the Russians. So, who the fuck are we kidding? Unless you can unload 20 heavy Tank Divisions and 20 Infantry Divisions, backed up by 5,000 combat aircraft ready to go, it's all just a pathetic little game of a little dog yapping, thinking it can run with the Big Dogs. America is not in BIG DOG SHAPE, and neither is NATO.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

By my view of history, this cynicism is exactly what has gotten us into the most trouble. In WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War, we had a clear moral mandate - and those were also the modern wars that ended the best for us.

The modern wars that have ended badly are the ones where we ignored morality, and we discovered that simply militarily invading a country does not make it ours. The Philippines, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all turned into quagmires while by contrast, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Kuwait have all turned out fine and remain U.S. allies.

Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 21, 2022, 08:47:42 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

I agree. But if Russia takes a big, wet bite out of the Ukraine, what do we do? Make the "Shame" finger sign at the Russians and hope they stop there?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 10:10:27 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

I agree. But if Russia takes a big, wet bite out of the Ukraine, what do we do? Make the "Shame" finger sign at the Russians and hope they stop there?

I'd think the most direct historical precedent would be when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Today, that is generally considered an even bigger disaster for the Russians than Vietnam was for the Americans. I think we should look at what we did then, and learn from what worked and what didn't. There was immediate condemnation of the invasion via the U.N., and the U.S. and allies funded a lot of mujahideen and support via Pakistan. We mobilized a lot of worldwide support, and the ongoing conflict was disastrous for the Russians.

As for mistakes - obviously, in retrospect training and funding Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight the Russians was a bad idea -- so while I think we should fund Ukrainian resistance, we should be very selective about who we are arming. Ukraine is a different case, but I think there would still be a major resistance element - like the French resistance in WWII.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 10:46:48 PM
Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

By my view of history, this cynicism is exactly what has gotten us into the most trouble. In WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War, we had a clear moral mandate - and those were also the modern wars that ended the best for us.

The modern wars that have ended badly are the ones where we ignored morality, and we discovered that simply militarily invading a country does not make it ours. The Philippines, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all turned into quagmires while by contrast, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Kuwait have all turned out fine and remain U.S. allies.

Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

Greetings!

Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?

Since when?

Look at a map of8th Century Russia. 10th Century. 12th Century. and on and fucking on for 1500 hundred years. The Ukraine region has always been part of Russia.

Beyond some recent political shuffling, whatever kind of relationship politically between Russia and Ukraine is between them. Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

Ultimately, because it is Russia's front yard, we had better care about what THEY think, because they have 300 divisions that can make us care.

In any kind of conflict in Ukraine, Russia holds all of the advantages. It isn't anything at all like Afghanistan. Uraine has roads and highways and infrastructure. You know that lots of Russians have relatives living in Ukraine, right? Everyone speaks Russian and Ukrainian. Russia *built* everything in Ukraine. They have all the maps. The Russians know everything about Ukraine.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 11:34:08 PM
Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

So, in your mind, Ireland just lays down and does whatever Britain wants?!? That is quite different from my reading of history. As I see it, Ireland was a huge thorn in the side of Britain for ages, despite their shared history and proximity.

I also don't see Latin America as particularly obedient to the U.S. We can embargo the most extreme cases (Cuba and Venezuela, currently) -- but much of Latin America is at least moderately socialist and lukewarm at best in U.S. relations.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 22, 2022, 12:35:50 AM
Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

So, in your mind, Ireland just lays down and does whatever Britain wants?!? That is quite different from my reading of history. As I see it, Ireland was a huge thorn in the side of Britain for ages, despite their shared history and proximity.

I also don't see Latin America as particularly obedient to the U.S. We can embargo the most extreme cases (Cuba and Venezuela, currently) -- but much of Latin America is at least moderately socialist and lukewarm at best in U.S. relations.

Greetings!

*Sigh* NO, Jhkim. Are you really this obtuse about geopolitics? *Internally* Ireland, Mexico, et. al. do whatever they want. *Externally* however, is an entirely different proposition. The Monroe Doctrine makes this reality crystal clear, and everyone in South America knows this. If they were to start flirting with foreign powers and hosting bases and troops--they would be overthrown in a blink. Same kind of thing goes for Ireland and Scotland. It's about basic survival and security of a nation, Jhkim. That trumps any kind of absolute sovereignty of a smaller, but critically located country. This is basic stuff you learn about in Balance of Powers, Great Nations Theory, and International Relations. Countries have been operating under these understandings and conditions for centuries. It's a political reality that is inviolable, unless you want a hot war really fast, and to see just what larger powers--even democracies!--are capable of doing when their real vital interests are threatened. Exactly, on these issues, there simply is no negotiation. It's a Fait Accompli.

So, when understanding geography and geopolitics, and the true power possessed by Great Powers, yeah, Ukraine is a vital national security interest of Russia. We would be wise to respect Russia, and let Russia and Ukraine handle their own relationship.

The ink isn't even dry on the paperwork getting us out of Afghanistan, and these political clowns here in America can't wait to get us into a shooting war with the RUSSIANS. Absolute stupidity. America is in no condition to be fighting a war anywhere. Our military is pumped full of SJW shit, and is a shambles. Equipment, training, efficiency--all have suffered huge scandals in recent years. AND--US and NATO studies have shown we would lose BIG against Russia in any conflict. Our economy is shit, too. Fuck, we can't even unfuck the "Supply Chain Crisis" properly.

We need to mind our own fucking business.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 22, 2022, 01:11:57 AM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

Everyone knows that there is one monolithic Ukrainian people that speak and move with one purpose.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 22, 2022, 08:51:33 AM
You know WHY, of course, there's so much interest in Ukraine here.

And it's got nothing to do with national security, or any kind of treaty for that matter.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Arkansan on January 22, 2022, 01:06:32 PM
Just my personal opinion, but I think we've had enough pointless cluster fucks in the past 50 years. I'm sympathetic to the plight of Ukrainians caught up in this mess but I'd rather the US stay right the hell out of it. Growing up in a military town I saw a few people I knew come home in body bags in the "War on Terror" and a few more suffer life altering injuries. I'd rather not run the risk of seeing anymore get shipped home in pieces from being on the other end of Russian artillery.

Ukraine and the other old Warsaw pact states are Russia's proverbial back yard. They aren't going to let go of this issue and we've run NATO right up their asses in the past three decades. Yes they want their old sphere of influence back but security is also a concern, hell we'd react pretty strongly as well if they were talking about making Mexico a member of the CTSO and stationing alliance forces there.

I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 22, 2022, 01:56:47 PM
Ukraine and the other old Warsaw pact states are Russia's proverbial back yard. They aren't going to let go of this issue and we've run NATO right up their asses in the past three decades. Yes they want their old sphere of influence back but security is also a concern, hell we'd react pretty strongly as well if they were talking about making Mexico a member of the CTSO and stationing alliance forces there.

This isn't theoretical. Russia had a close alliance with Cuba, which is right on our doorstep. Our dividing line there was that we wouldn't let Russia put nuclear missiles in Cuba -- but we didn't all-out invade Cuba just because they allied with Russia. Ukraine remains committed to being non-nuclear, though - it is one of four countries that voluntarily gave up nuclear armament. The U.S. tried all sorts of ways to undermine Cuba, including the Bay of Pigs - but we stopped short of invasion by the U.S. military or threat thereof.

I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I consider myself largely isolationist. I opposed the vast majority of our modern wars - in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, and others. However, I supported WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War -- because we should not allow outright invasion to be how the world works.

Appeasement is bad policy, and will cost us in the long run. Once Russia sees that it can invade with impunity, and the U.S. and others don't do anything about it, then they're motivated to try again, because it's clear that flexing their military gets them what they want.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on January 22, 2022, 03:27:28 PM
I consider myself largely isolationist. I opposed the vast majority of our modern wars - in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, and others. However, I supported WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War -- because we should not allow outright invasion to be how the world works.
You know what's a much worse problem? Foreign aid for "humanitarian" reasons. Which never goes to help the people who need it, but does prop up the nightmarish dictatorships that caused the problem in the first place.

I'm a big fan of more invasions and less status quo, because the status quo has at least as horrific a track record, but the sense of outrage is missing, so we end up with decades of horrors.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on January 22, 2022, 07:00:47 PM
If you have Amazon Prime, I'd strongly recommend giving "Why We Fight" a watch.  Pretty well lays out exactly why this is about something other than Ukrainian sovereignty.

On a related note, Germany's Chief of Navy was fired for stating that friendly relations with Russia are needed because they are a nation with similar Christian values who are a buffer to China.

Biden's disastrous speech just week pretty much greenlit Russia invading Ukraine.

Evergreen Intel has been reporting significant troop movements.

War is coming because none of the shitbags who got us into COVID as a means of getting Trump out of office have any idea how else to get us out of it other than by focusing national interests into a new singular event.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on January 22, 2022, 07:33:00 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?
It belongs to Lithuania!  Free Lithuania!
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Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 22, 2022, 08:16:06 PM
I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I am too, but I recognize that doing nothing can be just as bad as doing something.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wrath of God on February 07, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
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Greetings!

Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?

Since when?

Look at a map of8th Century Russia. 10th Century. 12th Century. and on and fucking on for 1500 hundred years. The Ukraine region has always been part of Russia.

Only... not really. Because Russia =/= Novogrod/Kiev Rus of Saint Vladimir. Sure both Ukrainians and Muscovians... and Belarusians are descendants of Early Medieval Rus of Saint Vladimir, but considering how insane was inner politics from the very beggining, Russia has not better claim as inheritor to Grand Duchy of Kiev. At least not since death of last Rurikid Tsar Fedor.

And even before that regions of Halicz and Wołyń są called Galicia and Lodomeria was longer in one country with Poland and Lithuania than with Principality of Moscow/Tsardom of Russia.

Just like let's say one could say Germany and France could claim each other, or France could claim Netherlands because it was part of Charlemagne Franconian Empire :P

Now of course at this point Russia have all advantages about Ukraine, but that's another pair of shoes.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I am too, but I recognize that doing nothing can be just as bad as doing something.

   Well, given the track record that "doing something" has I think you could be right, but not as right as should be obvious.  Given the sorts of body counts I have seen from doing something, I am 100 percent for the USA sitting this one out.  Maybe reduce the military budget by 30 percent and put 100 percent of that into actual manufacturing infrastructure/training/incentives.  Decouple from some of these places that obviously hate us (China has made it clear at this point), and deal with people as they deal with us, fair if fair, and fucked off if they are shitbirds.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on February 09, 2022, 07:08:58 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 09, 2022, 07:14:24 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?

  Well, I guess if he fails to deliver them it would be failure.   I think it is good he found something for Hunter to do.   Though the whole thing does beg the question, who do you go to to get crack pipes on an industrial scale?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on February 09, 2022, 07:33:37 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?

  Well, I guess if he fails to deliver them it would be failure.   I think it is good he found something for Hunter to do.   Though the whole thing does beg the question, who do you go to to get crack pipes on an industrial scale?

If their plan was to reduce druggadicction it would be a failure, as I see it it's not a bug but a feature.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on February 10, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
75-page application...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on February 10, 2022, 08:33:06 AM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
According to the Ministry of Truth- er, sorry, "fact checkers", that report is "mostly false". Because the plan to give out free crack pipes is only one measure out of 20 in the proposal.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 09:22:01 AM
 Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 09:58:34 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 10:03:04 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 10:05:32 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on February 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Was it a comedian? They're held to much stricter standards by the public than politicians.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 10:26:16 AM
  Strangely, this time it seemed like people were mad at the actual politicians this time. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 10:34:08 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Be nice if that became more widespread, and started to crack open the mainstream news sources. Right now, it feels like we live in a doublethink bubble where consistency and principles only matter when you're attacking the other side.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 10, 2022, 11:37:41 AM
I dunno. Considering the damage crack wreaked in black neighborhoods, if some tidy-whitey liberal decided the best way to help would be to pass out free pipes, I might be more than a little hacked off.

The reaction is right down there with that shitty Showtime feature about how much whites in comedy suck. The YT comments were almost enough to make me an optimist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on March 08, 2022, 06:40:36 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.

The fact that his asshole cabinet members respond that people should buy electric vehicles is all the info anyone needs that every single one of them should be drug into the streets and given the Moammar Gadhaffi treatment (or the Musollini treatment, if you prefer).

It won't get any better with Republicans.  They are *all* pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 08, 2022, 07:12:14 PM
That is just a little bit like the old "let them eat cake" line.  I am pretty sure no one will ever pay for their screw ups though.  Just not the Murican way.  I guess we could hope that should these midwits push the whacko in Russia too far, he at least nukes DC and catches all of them unawares with their lobbyists/hookers/filming themselves talking tough/etc.    Chances are even that won't work as they will duck like rats into their holes to come out later and explain how patriot getting nuked is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2022, 11:22:29 PM
It seems the Saudis are not interested in talking to Biden. Much to my non-surprise.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Mistwell on March 08, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
There are so many, MANY things we can do to try and help Ukraine which isn't "The US directly killing Russian troops". I see a lot of "We shouldn't touch this" which appears to mean "We shouldn't kill Russian troops" when that doesn't appear to even be on the table at the moment. But, aiding Ukraine in their fight, that's on the table. And there are many ways to aid Ukraine which doesn't involve our own troops setting one foot on Ukrainian soil.

And yes, we have in fact had success aiding one side against another without sending out own troops there.

Russia and China have also had success aiding one side against another without sending their own troops.

There is a long history of doing this, and being successful at it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on March 08, 2022, 11:38:06 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2022, 11:58:56 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Gasoline prices are up?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 09, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.

This happens every 20 years or so.  Young people, who believe in unicorns and are easily fooled, actually fall foe leftist fantasies about economics and vote in a Jimmy Carter/Joe Biden.  Then it takes the next fifteen years for the country to recover.  By that point, a new generation of morons and democrat voters (but I repeat myself) have reached voting age...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 09, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Yep.  Energy costs do more to destroy standards of living than any other single economic factor, and standard of living has cost more human lives than anything less than a world war or communist genocide.  High energy prices are far more dangerous than another "pandemic" like COVID, because they destroy the health of everyone, not just the old and infirm...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on March 09, 2022, 08:21:46 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 09, 2022, 09:06:49 AM
There are so many, MANY things we can do to try and help Ukraine which isn't "The US directly killing Russian troops". I see a lot of "We shouldn't touch this" which appears to mean "We shouldn't kill Russian troops" when that doesn't appear to even be on the table at the moment. But, aiding Ukraine in their fight, that's on the table. And there are many ways to aid Ukraine which doesn't involve our own troops setting one foot on Ukrainian soil.

And yes, we have in fact had success aiding one side against another without sending out own troops there.

Russia and China have also had success aiding one side against another without sending their own troops.

There is a long history of doing this, and being successful at it.

  There is.  There is also a history of sanctioning or supplying the enemy of a strong enough nation and you get attacked.   I do not know that Russia would draw a line on super stiff sanctions (the way Japan did) or attack a supply run to said nation's enemy (like WW1 Germany did).   I know it is moving on out onto thin ice.  Supplying or aiding in proxy wars involving tiny weak nations is one thing.  But you start passing out the gear to attack the big bad guy, you need to expect retaliation of some sort.  That is just a historical reality. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2022, 09:09:51 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 09, 2022, 09:11:22 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

   And a parent.  He is a parent now.  Did you know he has a kid?  He is a proud pappa now.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on March 09, 2022, 09:56:00 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
So now it's gone from hanging people to eating people...

I can only take you as seriously as I would a South Park character.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KingCheops on March 09, 2022, 10:22:50 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Yep.  Energy costs do more to destroy standards of living than any other single economic factor, and standard of living has cost more human lives than anything less than a world war or communist genocide.  High energy prices are far more dangerous than another "pandemic" like COVID, because they destroy the health of everyone, not just the old and infirm...

Just a couple of weeks before Soleimani was assassinated (in Iraq where the UN had banned him from setting foot) his Iranian Guard opened fire on a crowd of protestors with live ammunition.  Those protestors were there because of a new tax on gasoline making fuel too expensive.

The original cause of the Yellow Vest movement in France was the imposition of a new carbon tax on fuel making it too expensive to gas up.

The Dutch had similar widespread protests prior to coof for the same reason.

Millions of Black Lives in Africa are about to be starved to death but somehow their lives don't matter as much as a piece of shit who died of excited delirium after injesting enough fentanyl to kill a horse.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2022, 10:24:28 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

   And a parent.  He is a parent now.  Did you know he has a kid?  He is a proud pappa now.
I feel sorry for the kid. Not because he has two daddies, but because at least one of them is a soulless toad channeling Marie Antoinette.

'Just buy an electric car, bro!'.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 30, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
Oh hey, look at that. Suddenly the media is doing an about-face on Hunter Biden's laptop.

I am shocked, shocked. Well, not that shocked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on March 30, 2022, 04:34:13 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 30, 2022, 04:37:39 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on March 30, 2022, 05:04:52 PM
Layoffs in the horizon.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 30, 2022, 05:17:57 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 30, 2022, 06:23:53 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on March 30, 2022, 07:19:11 PM
That's a dead budget as none of those taxes will ever make it through the Senate and
Pelosi will never put up anything that doesn't have her paw prints all over it. 
Expect another continuing resolution in the fall.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Willmark on March 31, 2022, 12:15:45 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on March 31, 2022, 03:22:48 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?
Is the text black?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 31, 2022, 03:50:27 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?

No you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on April 02, 2022, 07:34:03 AM
You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

NASA's 2022 budget is $24.04 billion

The USA's 2022 spending is projected to be something like $4.018 trillion

NASA's budget isn't the problem. It's peanuts in comparison.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 02, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

NASA's 2022 budget is $24.04 billion

The USA's 2022 spending is projected to be something like $4.018 trillion

NASA's budget isn't the problem. It's peanuts in comparison.
Shasarak uses black text for sarcasm.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on April 02, 2022, 02:30:39 PM
Shasarak uses black text for sarcasm.

I see.

Yeah, cutting NASA's budget is one of those stock answers by people who don't understand the incredible return on investment we get compared to a lot of other nonsense. Even despite so much waste by some of NASA's suppliers, which SpaceX has done a good job revealing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on April 02, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 02, 2022, 07:00:37 PM
From Ketanji Brown Jackson's written answers to a series of questions posed by the US Congress:
Quote from: https://t.co/2vlzV3WzY9 p. 79
Do you hold a position on whether individuals possess natural rights, yes or no?
RESPONSE: I do not hold a position on whether individuals possess natural rights
I'd think not believing in natural rights would be a problem for someone Biden's nominated to rule on the US Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wrath of God on April 03, 2022, 05:19:37 AM
Not really.

I mean Bill of Rights may appeal to natural law, but ultimately it's written law, so you may disbelief in philosophical roots and still follow the letter.
It would be problem in pre-modern system, when most of laws are not written, and ius naturalis is often used to declare sentences without any legal act behind it.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 03, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
You just explained why the 9th amendment effectively no longer exists.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on April 03, 2022, 12:47:52 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Trond on April 04, 2022, 04:58:45 PM
Let's play "Figure Out the Biden gaffe" together!

Biden said: “I’m deeply proud of the work [Jill is] doing as first lady with Joining Forces initiative she started with Michelle Obama when she was vice president.”

Is he:
1. Mistakenly referring to Michelle Obama as "vice president"?
2. Somehow mixing in Kamala Harris? (the current vice president but the only "she" who was ever VP)
3. Referring to himself as "she"?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 04, 2022, 05:14:02 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 04, 2022, 05:33:10 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.

And for the love of God homeschool your children!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 04, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.

And for the love of God homeschool your children!

   Considering a private school that booted woke some time ago, but where I live the woke gets attacked pretty ferociously, and I know both my kids teachers well enough at this point to know there are no problems thus far.  Both have well established networks of friends and team mates from sports, so I am hesitant to uproot that at this age.   When one teacher is referring boys to read Jocko Willink's kid's books I think there is some measure of control over too much bullshit.  But next year Will be new territory for my daughter starting High School, so we will see how the board elections go and what the teachers there are like. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 12, 2022, 04:10:48 PM
  I guess when inflation is skyrocketing, WW3 is looming, and crime is rising, we present the "ghost gun" as a new terror and promise to get rid of them and of course the infamous "assault rifle".  This guy does not know what day it is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Willmark on April 12, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Certainly interesting that the regime and the Minister of Truth, errr White House Press Secretary "Circle Back-Peppermint Patty" keep referring to it as "the Putin Price Hike". As if conjuring trillions of dollars out of thin air didn't happen.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 12, 2022, 07:58:16 PM
Man I wish Biden would just open up the USA oil fields again to lower oil prices.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 12, 2022, 08:41:53 PM
Man I wish Biden would just open up the USA oil fields again to lower oil prices.
That would go against the stated goal of the people behind the WEF/Agenda 21/etc. of crushing the middle class. The self-proclaimed elites want serfs just like the Lords of old. You can’t do that with a healthy middle class and an economic model that lets anyone with a good idea become richer than they are.

They think they’re sitting at the start of a new era of centralized technocratic rule… but my hunch at this point is we’re more likely looking at something akin to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire if we’re lucky… the Bronze Age Collapse if we’re not.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 13, 2022, 03:52:30 AM
Greetings!

Yep. The Deep State wants people to suffer and fail. That misery and suffering lays the ground work for their Agenda 2030 program. I have long since believed that you cannot--and will not--have a centralized, Globalized One-World government as long as you have an America that is strong, free, and prosperous.

I didn't realize that America's  strength, freedom, and prosperity could evaporate so very quickly.

So, yes, it seems like we are quickly headed towards global, technocratic, one-world government, and lots of tyranny.

Or, perhaps we are burning the last of the candlelight before a new day of barbarism, mass slaughter and savagery everywhere.

Things are definitely not looking good for our society as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 13, 2022, 07:43:07 AM
Greetings!

Yep. The Deep State wants people to suffer and fail. That misery and suffering lays the ground work for their Agenda 2030 program. I have long since believed that you cannot--and will not--have a centralized, Globalized One-World government as long as you have an America that is strong, free, and prosperous.

I didn't realize that America's  strength, freedom, and prosperity could evaporate so very quickly.

So, yes, it seems like we are quickly headed towards global, technocratic, one-world government, and lots of tyranny.

Or, perhaps we are burning the last of the candlelight before a new day of barbarism, mass slaughter and savagery everywhere.

Things are definitely not looking good for our society as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Nah, we aren’t headed for a global one-world government because the idiots in charge are actually idiots… as in so divorced from what is actually needed to sustain a society that their efforts to bring about their “utopia” will destroy them.

It’s just going to also hurt a bunch of other people in the process as the support systems continue to collapse until the people who maintain them locally start to completely disregard the central authorities’ edicts and find their own workarounds (which is basically what happened when the Western Roman Empire collapsed… all the centralized power devolved to local authorities with the ability to do what the local populace needed).

The end result is probably going to be the same too… the Empire (in this case the USA, EU, Canada and WEF affiliates) collapses under its own corrupt weight and individual regions go their own way with their success or failure determined by local conditions (i.e. what resources do you have locally and how quickly did the authorities there unplug from the central government system of funding when it goes into its death throes?).

Go look up what’s happening in Sri Lanka or Peru right now… that’s pretty much our future once the US dollar loses its reserve currency status.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2022, 08:05:52 AM
Instead of opening up oil fields, the Biden regime is going to allow for E15 gasoline, i.e. more ethanol.

There's a problem with that though; namely, farmers aren't planting corn for ethanol. They're planting soybeans because they can't get fertilizer.

Once again: any sufficiently destructive stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 13, 2022, 11:03:13 AM
Its maddening. Its the modern western alliance at work here.

The fact that “THE AGENDA” is higher priority then the military alliance has got me seriously spooked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on April 13, 2022, 11:04:56 AM
Imagine had the tobacco industry been immune to prostitutes being sued.  The horror.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on April 13, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Imagine had the tobacco industry been immune to prostitutes being sued.  The horror.
At least my butt's been wiped.

“We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and ... correct the public health.” - Joseph Biden
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 13, 2022, 10:55:27 PM
Instead of opening up oil fields, the Biden regime is going to allow for E15 gasoline, i.e. more ethanol.

There's a problem with that though; namely, farmers aren't planting corn for ethanol. They're planting soybeans because they can't get fertilizer.

Once again: any sufficiently destructive stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
And to do it, he had to violate the Clean Air Act. Or at least sign a waiver.

Fuck the environment, it's an election year and voters hate gas spikes.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2022, 09:59:15 AM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on April 14, 2022, 10:46:15 AM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?

Yes, the Taliban now has a better-equipped military than many NATO members.  Any of you third-world nations out there reading this?  Got lots of warriors, but nothing but old WW II surplus crap to equip them with?  Just declare war on the USA!  We'll invade, and for the price of a few bombs dropped on your tribal enclaves and goat herds you'll get a shitload of cutting-edge weaponry with which to equip your armed forces when we cut and run like whipped dogs!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 14, 2022, 11:02:52 AM
Yes, the Taliban now has a better-equipped military than many NATO members.  Any of you third-world nations out there reading this?  Got lots of warriors, but nothing but old WW II surplus crap to equip them with?  Just declare war on the USA!  We'll invade, and for the price of a few bombs dropped on your tribal enclaves and goat herds you'll get a shitload of cutting-edge weaponry with which to equip your armed forces when we cut and run like whipped dogs!
Damn. So thats why Ukraine was denied jet planes. That Zelensky moron can't do anything right.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 14, 2022, 07:34:20 PM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?

Didn't they also left a shitload of cash?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 20, 2022, 07:25:56 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 20, 2022, 09:12:34 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2022, 09:02:08 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 21, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on April 21, 2022, 07:09:38 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.

It really does beg the question as to how these assholes with C averages were allowed into colleges in the first place.  Bush and Kerry both had shitty grades. JFKs application essay for Harvard is laughable.  No, these shitbags got into colleges by the same means that Aunt Becky got sent to jail for recently...

Don't get me wrong, middling grades in high school are not they only indicator of success later in life, but when these people get shitty grades in college, don't actually become successful doing something afterwards, and still get offered wealth, power, and prestige, it's a problem.

Biden had never had a real job. He's hired at a law firm fresh out of law school and is elected to city council in less than a year - a career path that doesn't require competence.  And that's the problem with most of the elected class - middling performance in school and subpar performance in the work force before being elected where they never have to be competent at anything ever again.  Don't get me wrong - they're competent at grifting, but that's an inherent trait, not a practiced competency...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2022, 07:58:13 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.

It really does beg the question as to how these assholes with C averages were allowed into colleges in the first place.  Bush and Kerry both had shitty grades. JFKs application essay for Harvard is laughable.  No, these shitbags got into colleges by the same means that Aunt Becky got sent to jail for recently...

Don't get me wrong, middling grades in high school are not they only indicator of success later in life, but when these people get shitty grades in college, don't actually become successful doing something afterwards, and still get offered wealth, power, and prestige, it's a problem.

Biden had never had a real job. He's hired at a law firm fresh out of law school and is elected to city council in less than a year - a career path that doesn't require competence.  And that's the problem with most of the elected class - middling performance in school and subpar performance in the work force before being elected where they never have to be competent at anything ever again.  Don't get me wrong - they're competent at grifting, but that's an inherent trait, not a practiced competency...
It's not about education, but connections. Harvard is less a school and more a place for those who aspire to be movers and shakers to go to make those connections. The Cantonese term 'guanxi' seems very apt here.

Remember, they let David Hogg into Harvard. That's not indicative of intelligence. It means someone thinks he might be politically useful.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on May 09, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
Did I miss the discussion on the recent movie uncovering the 2020 Election fortification?

I mean I know that I sometimes get the urge to vote at 3am.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on May 09, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Did I miss the discussion on the recent movie uncovering the 2020 Election fortification?

I mean I know that I sometimes get the urge to vote at 3am.

   Well...the whole ballot harvesting, and putting other people's ballots into drop boxes (where in some states 100 percent of the nursing home populations voted) at 3am is simply the signs of a vibrant and wonderful democracy.  If you say otherwise, you may well be a white supremacist insurrectionist guilty of sedition, but feel free to use the 1st amendment to speak up about it.  The DOJ of course may want to talk with you afterwards though.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on May 10, 2022, 10:13:30 PM
Can’t wait for the new inflation numbers, said no one ever.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on May 11, 2022, 07:44:23 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 09:23:31 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on May 11, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Obviously more abortions will address future formula shortages...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on May 11, 2022, 10:17:49 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on May 11, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 10:50:35 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Oh hey, what was infant mortality like prior to the development of formula? Fifty percent or so.

And not every woman can supply what her child needs, especially if they're big eaters.

Shark, you and RandyB need to throttle it back.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on May 11, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Oh hey, what was infant mortality like prior to the development of formula? Fifty percent or so.

And not every woman can supply what her child needs, especially if they're big eaters.

Shark, you and RandyB need to throttle it back.

  historically I thought it was closer to 25 percent, and total child mortality before puberty was the 50 percent number.  I do not think Formula was the big difference though, as there have always been historical substitutes to feed babies with before formula.  I think treatment of many illnesses and maladies, or medical advancements did much more to reduce infant mortality, as well as child mortality.    I think a formula shortage would increase social pressures on fathers to do something, but I think any scenario where formula is in short supply there will likely be other food shortages that would apply as much if not more pressure (can't breast feed a 15 year old). 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on May 11, 2022, 11:49:52 AM
Greetings!

I have sincere sympathy for the mothers and families out there that, for various reasons, cannot breastfeed their babies. For them, having access to baby formula is very important.

Regardless of whatever the infant mortality rate was before the invention of baby formula--or whatever the infant mortality rate may become because of future shortages in the supply of baby formula--it is all a disturbing problem, and potentially a sobering crisis, entirely of which I place the blame for on the Biden regime.

Just more stupid corruption and stupidity from this disgusting and pathetic Liberal Democrat government.

I hope also that the American voters take note, and remember this, as well as all of the other absolute failures of this fucking administration.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 12:17:57 PM
Greetings!

I have sincere sympathy for the mothers and families out there that, for various reasons, cannot breastfeed their babies. For them, having access to baby formula is very important.

Regardless of whatever the infant mortality rate was before the invention of baby formula--or whatever the infant mortality rate may become because of future shortages in the supply of baby formula--it is all a disturbing problem, and potentially a sobering crisis, entirely of which I place the blame for on the Biden regime.

Just more stupid corruption and stupidity from this disgusting and pathetic Liberal Democrat government.

I hope also that the American voters take note, and remember this, as well as all of the other absolute failures of this fucking administration.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Fair enough.

The fucking apologists for the zombie Biden and his misadministration really piss me off. Especially as they keep alternating between 'everything is fine!' and 'it's all Trump/Putin/Covid's fault'.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 01:03:04 PM
While we're at it:

Biden: "The number one threat is the strength, and that strength that we've built is inflation."
Link: https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1524058793713315841?s=20&t=qxVdQ78sIJBoc_9WCk8WdA

What.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on May 11, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
Come on, man. If you would just stop and listen for a second. The thing is… This inflation is YOUR fault. You know, Corn Pop was a bad dude.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on May 11, 2022, 08:00:19 PM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Obviously more abortions will address future formula shortages...
Soylent Cream is made of babies!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 11, 2022, 08:36:00 PM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on May 12, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
The inflation numbers were horrible as I expected. The news is spinning it as "not as bad as expected" and "lower than last month".

 ::)

Now I'm really ticked we are sending 40 billion of unaccountable American tax dollars for a war escalation I don't support. The hogs are really feeding at the trough, they love war.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on May 12, 2022, 09:22:52 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on May 12, 2022, 10:37:57 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on May 12, 2022, 05:46:11 PM
We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.

What is that proportionally to a 10-30# baby?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 12, 2022, 06:39:20 PM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

The concentration of sugar in human breast milk is the highest of all mammals. 
~7 grams per 100 milliliters ..
Baby's need sugar and a good deal of it. 
Sugar intake does not cause diabetes.  Not at this stage of development.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 12, 2022, 06:42:41 PM
Biden is campaigning for a Trump return.  ;D

https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/biden-calls-trump-great-maga-king-claims-backers-unmoved-by-food-lines/

(https://i.imgflip.com/6f0b1x.jpg)

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on May 12, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.

What is that proportionally to a 10-30# baby?

"It depends."

Newborns feed 8-12 times in a 24 hr period, 1-2 ounces each time - so 8 - 24 ounces of formula.  So anywhere from 1/4 to 3/4 of an ounce of karo. So 24 grams of carbs at the top end.  So - about 0.002% of body mass a day, as a newborn (again, at the top end).

Not exactly the same as drinking a six pack of soda a day...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 15, 2022, 06:45:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSqzmJeX0AEb73O?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on May 16, 2022, 07:26:44 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

The concentration of sugar in human breast milk is the highest of all mammals. 
~7 grams per 100 milliliters ..
Baby's need sugar and a good deal of it. 
Sugar intake does not cause diabetes.  Not at this stage of development.

Good to know. You can understand how terrible it sounds to feed high-fructose corn syrup to infants. Especially the number of health issues that are now being associated with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on May 16, 2022, 10:35:01 AM
Interesting bit of info.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 04:41:35 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 01, 2022, 06:19:59 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Read the article. It's fairly complex and hard to draw conclusions, but among other things they're saying that the low-level black staffers in particular were brought in (for token reasons, it sounds like) without the connections or support structures of the other staff, who were a fairly tight knit group.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
 Seems more that there is a dearth of trust funds among the black people working there, and they may not realize they were supposed to pull a Huma Abedin and hold down three other "consulting jobs " all paying 6 figures plus while doing her government jobs.   It seems the population is what is reflected in the population of the country, I wonder if there are any over represented groups in that Biden cabinet?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 07:35:52 PM
Sounds like they had to pull from outside the beltway establishment. Which is a good thing, if we ignore the hideously racist reasons behind it.

But it does show how difficult it is to thrive within the Washington establishment without being born in the right circles, or without being educated in the same handful of elite universities. What was their reaction to a Federal Reserve board of governors nominee who was educated at state universities, instead of the Ivy? (Shelton didn't make it.) How many members of the Supreme Court didn't get their law degree from either Harvard or Yale? (1: Amy Coney Barret went to Notre Dame.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 01, 2022, 08:00:36 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Read the article. It's fairly complex and hard to draw conclusions, but among other things they're saying that the low-level black staffers in particular were brought in (for token reasons, it sounds like) without the connections or support structures of the other staff, who were a fairly tight knit group.

So, kinda like being back on a plantation... Democrats can't get away from their slavery roots.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 02, 2022, 08:12:33 AM
So, how about them gas and food prices?

But hey, no more mean tweets, right? Return to norms, adults back in charge, etc...

If you voted for Biden, please, do us all a favor. Just fuck off for the next couple election cycles. Stay home.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 02, 2022, 12:55:24 PM
So, how about them gas and food prices?

But hey, no more mean tweets, right? Return to norms, adults back in charge, etc...

If you voted for Biden, please, do us all a favor. Just fuck off for the next couple election cycles. Stay home.

  Lots of Biden voters did both, stayed home and voted for him.  Apparently in rest homes some of them didnt even bother waking up from their comas to vote for him.  I do laugh to myself this is a guy who is going to be running on spending shitloads of money on a foreign government while gas prices and inflations rockets up, fighting the "rise of white supremacy", trying to ban guns, and endorsing boosters every 6 months.  Even the coma patients might skip voting for him.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 03, 2022, 10:04:52 AM
So the big distraction now is gun control. Because that hasn't been a third rail for Dems outside of NY or California for the last 20 years.

Fucking amateurs.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on June 03, 2022, 10:30:29 AM
That reminds me, I need to see if my Dad will vote Democrat this year (he passed away a few months ago.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 09, 2022, 08:55:31 PM
Last night, Biden joked about arresting his political opponents on Jimmy Kimmel
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1534756470021046272
This morning, the FBI breaks into the house of a Republican candidate for governor, and arrests him
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/fbi-arrest-michigan-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelly-raids-home/

He's been charged with 4 misdemeanors. Nobody gets raided by the FBI over misdemeanors. And they waited 18 months, so they could do it the morning before the prime time circus is set to start.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 09, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Last night, Biden joked about arresting his political opponents on Jimmy Kimmel
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1534756470021046272
This morning, the FBI breaks into the house of a Republican candidate for governor, and arrests him
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/fbi-arrest-michigan-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelly-raids-home/

He's been charged with 4 misdemeanors. Nobody gets raided by the FBI over misdemeanors. And they waited 18 months, so they could do it the morning before the prime time circus is set to start.
And they called us the fascists.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 09, 2022, 09:29:37 PM
Misdemeanors? Really? Smh.

When are they going to nail BLM for fraud and embezzlement? The BLM ponzi scheme isn't quite Madoff-level, but it's an even bigger scheme than Madoff's in terms of reach.

Aside from the violent insurrection (the BLM activities, not the 1/6 activity), they've created an industry around grift that needs to be ended. California is going to pay up for this crap ("reparations"), and nobody in this post-Soviet state will care despite BLM buying large mansions in the Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 10, 2022, 05:50:06 AM
I have faith that we will have a "Killdozer" moment in DC soon enough.

Quote
June 4th, 2022, marks the 18th anniversary of the Killdozer's rampage through Granby, Colorado.

Sit down, kids, and let me tell you a tale about a reasonable man driven to do unreasonable things.

Marvin Heemeyer was a man who owned a muffler shop in Granby, Colorado. The city council ordained to approve the construction of a concrete factory in the lot across from Marvin's shop. In the process, this blocked the only access road to the muffler shop. Marvin petitioned to stop the construction to no avail. He petitioned to construct a new access road, and even bought the heavy machinery to do so himself. Denied.

The concrete factory went up in disregard to the ramifications on Marvin's business. To add insult to injury, the factory construction disconnected the muffler shop from the city sewage lines. An indifferent city government then chose to fine Marvin for this.

His business and livelihood were in ruin. Rather than lie down and die, Marvin chose to fight back. Over the course of a year and a half Marvin secretly outfitted the bulldozer he bought to save his business with three foot thick steel and concrete armor along with camera systems guarded with bulletproof glass.

On June 4th, 2004, Marvin Heemeyer lowered the armored shell onto the bulldozer, entombing himself inside the Killdozer to make his last stand.

He burst forth from the walls of his muffler shop and straight into the concrete factory that ruined his business. Over the course of the next several hours, Marvin drove his Killdozer through 13 buildings owned by those officials that had wronged him, including the city council building itself.

SWAT teams swarmed the dozer, but it proved immune to small arms fire and even explosives. Another piece of heavy machinery was even brought out to fight the Killdozer, but it too fell to the dozer’s righteous fury.

In the end, Marvin's Killdozer became trapped in one of the buildings it was built to destroy. Marvin chose to take his life, the only life he took that day.

Today we celebrate Killdozer day and Marvin Heemeyer, the last great American folk hero. A man driven to the brink who chose to fight back against an indifferent system.

From notes left behind after his passing:
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."

HAPPY KILLDOZER DAY EVERYONE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

Marvin Heemeyer - A Great American Hero.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 10, 2022, 08:32:27 AM
So they're trotting out the J6 show trial truth and reconciliation committee.

I'm sure people will be spellbound to see this Hollywood-produced docudrama about how Occasional Cortex and San Fran Nan saved Our Democracy (TM) from the evil hordes of the Orange Man. Surely this will distract them from $5/gallon gas and shortages of everything from baby formula to coffee.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on June 10, 2022, 10:02:20 AM
Wait, there's a shortage on coffee?  Shit's gonna get real.  The last time we had to ration coffee, we were so grouchy that we reduced several nations to rubble.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 10, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
The problem for the 1/6 hearings is that, at this point in time, I think that many Bidenists wish they had voted the other way.
It's not the slam-dunk hearing for the Democrats that they think it is.

The Democrats have a reality problem. The reality is that Biden created more and worse chaos than the chaos Trump was responsible for.

Hard-line, stubborn, backwards-thinking Democrats have cratered this country for their politics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 11:43:59 PM
About the economy issues.

Gas prices and inflation are soaring around the world. The Ukraine war has been officially blamed.

Speaking of the war in ukraine, it's put Russian oligarchs in the spotlight. Has it occured to people there might be oligarchs in America and other countries too? They might be raising prices just because they are addicted to taking money from people because they can never have enough.

Speaking of American oligarchs, since 2008 and the OWS movement, and the 'new economy', I. E.  The 'screw economy' to most people, there bas been rising hostility towards the American aristocracy, the 1%, the oligarchy.

There are rising calls for living wage laws, worker's rights laws, privacy kaws that give workers the right to tell employers that ''my personal life is none of your business. ''

Democrats are more likely to pass such laws, the reps are certain to block them no matter how much tge viters want them.

So the Ukraine shit happens and the oligarchs just spin the inflation dial as fast as they can and tell their media to blame ''Brandon''.

And sadly enough of them are stupid enough to buy it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 10, 2022, 11:56:30 PM
So they're trotting out the J6 show trial truth and reconciliation committee.

I'm sure people will be spellbound to see this Hollywood-produced docudrama about how Occasional Cortex and San Fran Nan saved Our Democracy (TM) from the evil hordes of the Orange Man. Surely this will distract them from $5/gallon gas and shortages of everything from baby formula to coffee.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 11, 2022, 03:38:48 AM
There are rising calls for living wage laws, worker's rights laws, privacy kaws that give workers the right to tell employers that ''my personal life is none of your business. ''

Democrats are more likely to pass such laws, the reps are certain to block them no matter how much tge viters want them.

So the Ukraine shit happens and the oligarchs just spin the inflation dial as fast as they can and tell their media to blame ''Brandon''.

And sadly enough of them are stupid enough to buy it.
Vaccine passports are the exact opposite of the right to tell employers your personal life is your own business.

And Biden is responsible for inflation. Trump, too. Inflation is a general rise in prices, and has a specific cause. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon." The massive printing of money during the repo crisis and then the pandemic is what's causing the rise in overall prices. The Fed is the agent of inflation but is only ostensibly independent. It was the absurd amount of money being spent that drove them to do it. And it's the massive government debt that's preventing them from putting on the brakes, because if they dial back the flow of easy money, then interest on the federal debt will skyrocket. Even just a few points rise in the prime rate could make servicing the debt a bigger part of the federal budget than Medicare and Social Security. This kind of inflation needs to burn itself out, and we'll be lucky if we avoid the stagflation trap.

Prices of specific products can also rise, due to other causes. We're seeing a lot of prices spike because of supply chain woes, as well. And again, that's almost entirely the fault of the government, who thought they could just turn off the global economy like a light switch, and then flip it back on later, without causing massive damage. It's a complex interactive system, and government bureaucrats who have never had a real job in their life deciding which jobs are essential and which ones aren't was very dimwitted.

Gas prices in particular are also rising due to government intervention. A lot of the world's oil comes from Russia. Banning Russian exports cuts back on supply, which means the countries that get a lot of their gas from Russia have to look for alternatives, and bid up the prices. This causes a global price rise, even in countries like the US that don't get much of their oil directly from Russia. it's also affected by the permit and pipeline bans, because prices are predictive, and those actions discourage companies from investing in future capacity.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 11, 2022, 03:57:02 PM
Gas prices and prices in general were going up long before Russia, so blaming this on Pooty Putin is a typical feckless Brandon scam.

Supply chain issues have to include things like California's AB5, which will keep people from entering the job market long before it goes into effect (not to mention diesel costs). We have created our own bottlenecks at the ports of entry in California, and I guess some people are surprised by that.

Brandon, playing the victim, has done zero to help out. He's done the opposite of fighting inflation, and now the Fed has to jerk on the money spigot since they were amongst the few who were surprised by the not so transitory inflation issue.

But, hey, we are parachuting infant formula from Germany (instead of shipping overland from Mexico because that border be so tough to get through). Winner winner, chicken dinner, I guess.

If you're defending Biden at this point, you're further along the wing than others, IMO.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on June 11, 2022, 05:00:41 PM
If you're defending Biden at this point, you're further along the wing than others, IMO.
The ONLY defense I will grant to Biden is that he has no clue what he’s actually saying;
He’s a puppet with a hand up his ass parroting words sent to his earpiece. Removing him just puts Cackles Harris into the puppet role and if we removed her Skeletor Pelosi would be the same (as would McCarthy if we got a Repub House Majority this fall; they’re all owned by the same shady cabal of unelected degenerates who made their fortunes cheating the system and believe they’re the masters of the universe because they got away with it).

That said, Biden (and all the rest of those ingrates) probably enjoys the hand up their asses; it probably makes them feel important. As such, they will fully deserve every bad thing that comes their way; possibly in this life, definitely in the next if they don’t get with the sack clothes and repentance and do it right soon.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 12, 2022, 09:16:38 AM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 12, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 12, 2022, 03:01:17 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 12, 2022, 03:11:27 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
"1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back." --a certain black politician

Don't cry cause it's true. Unless someone hangs Maduro, it's very unlikely there'll be any normalizing of relations. Even Cuba has a better chance.

Besides, you know who else has oil? Mexico.

Granted, we'd have to clean out the cartels, but hey, that's what purges are for.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on June 12, 2022, 03:31:46 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
"1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back." --a certain black politician

Don't cry cause it's true. Unless someone hangs Maduro, it's very unlikely there'll be any normalizing of relations. Even Cuba has a better chance.

Besides, you know who else has oil? Mexico.

Granted, we'd have to clean out the cartels, but hey, that's what purges are for.

Just drone strike the lot, ALL the cartels, drone strike them until the survivors are so afraid that the mere thought of selling drugs causes them to shit their pants.

Many other Mexicans agree with me BTW.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 12, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
You know who else has oil?

Canada! And there is even a pipeline and everything
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 12, 2022, 05:12:49 PM
Or we could, you know, just go back to drilling in the USA and return to $2.20 a gallon gas prices like they were during the Trump administration. All of those Keystone Pipeline workers would still have jobs too.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 12, 2022, 05:27:27 PM
Or we could, you know, just go back to drilling in the USA and return to $2.20 a gallon gas prices like they were during the Trump administration. All of those Keystone Pipeline workers would still have jobs too.

Let’s not go crazy
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 12, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
In the meantime, I think we can all agree that the best short-term solution to gas prices is to have the president talk about treating Saudi Arabia as a "pariah state", because our ally has the largest easily accessible reserves in the world, and is able to quickly ramp up production, and treating like shit and pissing them off is the diplomatic way to guarantee that they'll do what we ask and help relieve the supply shock by increasing production and keeping prices low.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 12, 2022, 08:27:15 PM
The marxists want high oil prices as they believe its their path to their Green New Reset delusion. If the Xiden regime wanted to lower energy prices, they could have pulled a dozen levers by now.

It's not because they can't.

Its because they won't.

And they know elections don't matter anymore.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 12, 2022, 08:45:54 PM
You know what Republicans should do when they control both houses of Congress after the midterms?

Impeach Merrick Garland. It has better optics that a revenge impeachment against the president, and it should be an open-and-shut case, under "high crimes and misdemeanors". That phrase doesn't mean what modern uninformed people think it means. It had a very specific meaning at the time the Constitution was written, and was a reference to the English legal standard. Which was clearly explained by Blackwell: "The first and principal high misdemeanor ... was mal-administration of such high offices as are in public trust and employment." And failing to product an associate justice of the Supreme Court after an assassination attempt should be a clear example.

Of course, they won't, because the Republican party is completely worthless. But if they did, it might instill a fear of the legislative and judicial branches in the FBI and other federal agencies that have become so highly partisan and are engaged in selective persecution and neglect based on the politics of the people involved.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on June 12, 2022, 11:27:24 PM
Republicans won't do shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 13, 2022, 01:21:13 AM
The Republicans are the Vichy France of political parties.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 06:41:19 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 13, 2022, 06:50:40 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....

   Well, Biden ran on BREAKING the oil companies and drilling.  He seems to be doing it wrong, at least in so far as wrecking their businesses.  Democrats dont give two shits about workers, they just want to seize firearms.  I apologize that people on the right do in fact care about their kids.  Maybe if you loons could get them more into abortion or letting them attend drag shows and pride parades they might go along with you and not caring about their kids.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 13, 2022, 07:21:22 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....
Say it costs you $100 to make some barrel of goo, and you sell it for $110. But then there's a burst of inflation. Costs increase 50%, so the barrel now costs you $150. Since you can't afford to lose $40 per barrel, you have to raise prices. If you sell it for $165, you're making the exact same percentage of profit as you were before the production costs rose. Sounds fair? Sounds fair.

But since the nominal price went up, dishonest politicians can claim you're making record profits, because you just made $15 instead of $10. Even though that $15 will buy you exactly as much as your pre-inflation $10 profit. The numbers are bigger, but you're not any richer by any real measure of value.

It is the fucking Democrats' fault[1], no matter how much economic ignoramuses like you try to befuddle the issue by blaming it on a scapegoat.

[1] And also Trump. We've been inflating the money supply for a long time. But at least he didn't shutdown pipelines and stop issuing permits and embargo major global oil exporters.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 13, 2022, 07:42:58 PM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: thornad on June 13, 2022, 09:56:45 PM
Republicans won't do shit.

Sure they will. They will help the Democrats take away more American's freedoms. That's what both parties are good at.

One talk host put it well:
"Whether it's pandemics or shootings or warm weather, both parties always seem to agree that the problem is you having too much freedom."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on June 13, 2022, 10:43:43 PM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Slay okigawrchs!  Prifut!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 14, 2022, 12:34:25 AM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Slay okigawrchs!  Prifut!

According to Bill Maher.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 14, 2022, 07:24:19 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 14, 2022, 08:32:03 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ

   Thing is that is a really fucktarded point.  Now, if you want to lower everyone's tax rates to theirs (which is also retarded, as they tend to borrow against assets for cash....thus no income to tax.... and pay it back as they please) I can get behind that.   But putting some bullshit like that beside the picture of a guy who is flagrantly abusing his office/position/political position to get cash payoffs from foreign powers tells me you are just a brainless zealot.  Though you do keep me entertained.   I would add given how many billionaires are all for everything democrats are pushing....should tell you something.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 14, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.







Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 14, 2022, 10:56:36 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ

Biden digs his own grave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 14, 2022, 11:29:39 PM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

How would you know?

You are not a Biologist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:33:44 AM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.

    No, I understand anyone who gets that position is likely corrupt, and a person who has held elected office for 50 years is certainly corrupt.  The thing here is you (in your mind, since I did not say it) think I am taking a side.  The only side I can take is that of my family.  You on the other hand are convinced there are enemies that vote for republicans out there and you talk about silly things like how many guns you have when getting up out of  a chair quickly winds you.  Go outside and get some exercise.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 15, 2022, 08:26:50 AM
What are you paying for gas now, versus three years ago?

And before you say, 'but muh evil oil companies', the refineries are running at max capacity. If we'd actually BUILD some refineries it'd take the stress off, but nope -- we're TRANSITIONING to green energy. Well, actually, we're transitioning to a goddamned neo-feudalist system with certain people at the top.

The people that Battlemaster sucks off on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:00:03 AM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.

Let's be crystal clear. Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate why they stopped an investigation into corruption involving a company on whose board the son of a sitting US VP sat on after that VP threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine fired the investigator investigating that company.

That sounds like something entirely worthy of withholding military aid - even though the decision to withhold aid ocurred *prior* to Trump's call with Zelenskiy.

Nepotism? You mean like appointing RFK to AG back in the day, or just all of the nepotism associated with all of Burden's closest aids like the Richetti's who have positions in the Office of Legal Affairs, Office of Social Secretary of the White House, Office of the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security; Cathy Russell whose daughter is on the NSC; Ron Klain's wife and Psaki 's sister.  As opposed to Trump, whose daughter and son-in-law had *unpaid* positions as advisors.  What, it's ok only if they grift on the taxpayer's dime?

As to violence - at no point did Trump encourage violence, as opposed to Dems encouraging it by BLM and antifa. Even in 6 Jan, he told supporters to peacefully demonstrate (inconveniently for leftists, his speech was recorded for posterity where he says this). Shooting protestors in the legs? Yeah, when they are rioters they most certainly should be shot.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:04:08 AM
What are you paying for gas now, versus three years ago?

And before you say, 'but muh evil oil companies', the refineries are running at max capacity. If we'd actually BUILD some refineries it'd take the stress off, but nope -- we're TRANSITIONING to green energy. Well, actually, we're transitioning to a goddamned neo-feudalist system with certain people at the top.

The people that Battlemaster sucks off on a regular basis.

I like how greenies bury their heads in the sand as to how all the "green" energy requires child slaves to mine rare earths to build solar cells and batteries involving toxic waste streams and coal-fired power plant energy to produce and then further bury their heads in the sand that the batteries are being charged from electricity that originates in a coal-fired power plant.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Mistwell on June 15, 2022, 11:03:34 AM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....

A HUGE part of the issue with gasoline prices has nothing to do with "oil corporations" and everything to do with refineries in the US, and the lack thereof. We have too few refineries, they're too old, and too many of them were based on light crude found in fraking and not heavy crude coming from overseas. And we have not had the political will, under Trump or Biden, to modernize our refineries or add more - nor do those companies have the investment will to build more on their own as refineries are very long term prospects and don't fit within the quarterly profits driven marketplace or fit well along with the fear the US is reducing oil consumption in the future.

All we've done is reduce the number of refineries over time and not open new ones. The newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977. We're running at 95% of capacity for our refineries right now. Which if just ONE of our 129 refineries shuts down for maintenance or because of a breakage or weather event or whatever, it can mean a shortage.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: wmarshal on June 15, 2022, 12:18:21 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 15, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: wmarshal on June 15, 2022, 12:49:13 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
You know, there's this thing called "Go Fuck Yourself" that can easily be directed towards the greenie weenies as truckers bypass the DEF system in their rig.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
You know, there's this thing called "Go Fuck Yourself" that can easily be directed towards the greenie weenies as truckers bypass the DEF system in their rig.
That sounds like... insurrection!

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 15, 2022, 06:59:58 PM
I really believe that 'necessity' be allowed in court. If you must drive a diesel and cannot get this fluid, then it's not s crime to commit an act of necessity. If the law does not recognize necessity, it is incompetent to judge people.

Of course wingnuts will claim murdering an abortion performing doctor was necessary, burning a church of Satan was necessary, etc. Rightards fuck everything up. It would have to be handled case by case, but hopefully a jury of real people (not judges or lawyers)  would recognize real necessity.

Oh,  this is a good cartoon about people who hate 'brandon'

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:04:04 PM
  Smart to edit that one out, it made you look like a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:04:57 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on June 15, 2022, 08:05:55 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.

I'm guessing it's all the privatelly owned Venezuelan conporations driving the inflation there too... Oh, wait!

Inflation is ALWAYS due to someone, somewhere, somehow printing (creating actually) more money.

Lets see if even his retarted leftard brain can grasp this fact when confronted with someone explaining it.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: ThatChrisGuy on June 15, 2022, 08:27:26 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.

I'm guessing it's all the privatelly owned Venezuelan conporations driving the inflation there too... Oh, wait!

Inflation is ALWAYS due to someone, somewhere, somehow printing (creating actually) more money.

Lets see if even his retarted leftard brain can grasp this fact when confronted with someone explaining it.



I remember when Biden said "Milton Friedman is no longer running the show" I knew we were fucked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 15, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
All those corporations are politically shifty and go whatever way makes the more money. That used to be to the right, but now it's often more profitable to swing left. That's not saying they gave two shits about either side--its all just business to them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 15, 2022, 08:38:12 PM
Corporate profits up 25%

Its the Trumptards fault!   :o


Living rent free in their heads since 1862.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 09:37:49 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Daztur on June 15, 2022, 10:19:45 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

The liberal tendency to attribute systemic problems to individual moral failings ("corporate greed!") etc. can get very strange at times.

Still, inflation making all numbers larger does change some things. My mortgage for example. Having it decline in real terms due to inflation is nice.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

The liberal tendency to attribute systemic problems to individual moral failings ("corporate greed!") etc. can get very strange at times.

Still, inflation making all numbers larger does change some things. My mortgage for example. Having it decline in real terms due to inflation is nice.
Yes, that's an example of the fixed cost I mentioned in the last paragraph.

In general, debt will diminish. But so will real wealth. Your mortgage may become more payable, but your savings will be worth less.

This favoring of debt is how the inflation-apologists try to claim it helps the poor, but that's a baldfaced lie. It's the people with most of their money in assets that grow faster than inflation, like real estate and stocks, that benefit the most. And that's the rich. Even your mortgage is an example of how inflation helps the well-off, because the people with mortgages tend have more money than the people who rent, and except for the tiny percentage of people who live in one of those rent-controlled apartments, rents aren't fixed.

So however much inflation hurts, remember to feel smug and satisfied that the people who are really getting hurt are those dirty proletariats. This is another of the Democrats' favorite taxes, a tax on the poor.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:54:13 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

It's not that people can't buy any more than they could with lower inflation - it's that they can't buy the same amount as before, in most cases, less.

A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.

Food is just as bad - can anyone explain how 18 food processing plants all burn down within a 6 month period?

And now it's the Diesel Exhaust Fluid shortage coming up that will prevent trucks from moving food and fuel and prevent farm equipment from harvesting.  DEF is 2/3 Urea and 1/3 water. Russia was the largest exporter of urea. Not no mo'. Flying J is a chain of truck stops that gets 70% of their DEF from Union Pacific railcars (whose rail lines have exclusive access to the plants that turn urea into DEF). They've been told to cut orders by 50% or they won't fill any orders at all. That's 15% of all the DEF used in the US. Blackrock is the majority shareholder of Union Pacific, as well as the largest shareholder of CF Industries who is the largest producer of urea in the US. Blackrock's chairman is Tom Donilon, Obama's former national security advisor.  Donilon's brother is a senior advisor to Biden and his wife is WH Personnel Director. His daughter is on Biden's national security council.

Go ahead, tell me it's all just coincidence and then tell me how inflation isn't artificially influenced by this disaster of a President.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 11:23:05 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 16, 2022, 06:10:35 AM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
All those corporations are politically shifty and go whatever way makes the more money. That used to be to the right, but now it's often more profitable to swing left. That's not saying they gave two shits about either side--its all just business to them.

  If this were 10 years ago I might agree, since most these days seem to share the largest shareholders, I think the ESG score thing demonstrates message matters first.  Profits matter less when a sugar daddy is willing to absorb your losses to push out a message.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2022, 08:57:19 AM
I really believe that 'necessity' be allowed in court. If you must drive a diesel and cannot get this fluid, then it's not s crime to commit an act of necessity. If the law does not recognize necessity, it is incompetent to judge people.

Of course wingnuts will claim murdering an abortion performing doctor was necessary, burning a church of Satan was necessary, etc. Rightards fuck everything up. It would have to be handled case by case, but hopefully a jury of real people (not judges or lawyers)  would recognize real necessity.

Oh,  this is a good cartoon about people who hate 'brandon'

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
*laughs in Rittenhouse*

Man, if necessity was allowable, we wouldn't even HAVE the arguments about self defense and the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 16, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 16, 2022, 01:32:34 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
In the post you quoted, I pointed out that the different types of inflation are combining into a perfect storm, and I specifically called out how oil prices affect both transportation and energy costs, and how that in turn affects the prices of everything that uses those services. And in a previous post just up the page, I made the very point that inflation is a tax on the poor, using very strong words. So you're literally repeating my points back at me, but being an asshole about it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 16, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
In the post you quoted, I pointed out that the different types of inflation are combining into a perfect storm, and I specifically called out how oil prices affect both transportation and energy costs, and how that in turn affects the prices of everything that uses those services. And in a previous post just up the page, I made the very point that inflation is a tax on the poor, using very strong words. So you're literally repeating my points back at me, but being an asshole about it.

Sorry about that - not my intent.  Rather, I was attempting to bring the conversation down to a level that even a mouth-breather could understand.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 16, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
Sorry about that - not my intent.  Rather, I was attempting to bring the conversation down to a level that even a mouth-breather could understand.
Appreciate it.

I think it's a valiant goal, because we desperately need a wider economic education. If we had politicians saying 2+2 = 5, or that evolution causes animals to go to sleep and wake up as a new species, most people know enough that they'd just look at them weirdly. But when it comes to economics, the wider public lacks that basic foundation, which lets politicians get away with making absurd claims or scapegoating, like blaming Russia for inflation (in the 1970s, they were blaming the unions) not the massive money printing and handouts, or that it was the pandemic not the lockdowns that caused all the damage to the economy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 17, 2022, 01:27:43 AM
Gotta eat more beans, you guys.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 27, 2022, 01:16:43 PM
Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 27, 2022, 01:40:11 PM
Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.
That's fairly accurate, though I don't think the strategic reserves are a significant factor. They're just too small to make any significant difference, so that's just publicity (similar to the token flights of baby food from Europe) designed to make it look like the politicians are doing something, even though they're not addressing any of the root issues.

Politicians love to scapegoat corporations for their own failures. And you can see who has the power in that equation, because how often do politicians demonize corporations vs. how often do corporations demonize politicians?

Though to be fair, while shutting down the pipeline and revoking permits in Alaska, as well as the general anti-petroleum rhetoric and the embargo of Russian fuel has been uniquely Biden, they were only the precipitating events. The root of the general inflation is the expansion of the monetary supply, and a lot of specific shortages are being caused by the supply chain problems that were induced by the government lockdowns of workers and so-called "non-essential" businesses. And Trump shares a lot of blame for that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 28, 2022, 07:48:14 AM
Gotta eat more beans, you guys.

 You spelled bugs wrong.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 29, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 03:21:30 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 29, 2022, 03:39:00 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?
Because (drumroll):

Orange. Man. Bad.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 03:59:09 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.


Edit: Not changing my post, but it has misinformation in it, as noted in following posts, so be forewarned.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 04:00:12 PM
 I wonder if these dumbasses realize all this shit does is trade orange man for Florida man, and Florida man is really, really going to piss them off.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 04:04:12 PM
I wonder if these dumbasses realize all this shit does is trade orange man for Florida man, and Florida man is really, really going to piss them off.

I wouldn't mind Florida man. Apart from the whole not giving power to localities thing I learned recently I mostly like him. That would be a good outcome. But I don't think he's running, I think he said he's going for Florida again.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 29, 2022, 04:12:33 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 04:16:10 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 05:02:10 PM
I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest.
Here are the 5 Republicans House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy selected for the January 6th Select Committee:
Jim Banks of Indiana
Jim Jordan of Ohio
Rodney Davis of Illinois
Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota
Troy Nehls of Texas
https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-selects-five-republicans-000235782.html

Here are the Republicans on the January 6th Select Committee:
Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
https://january6th.house.gov/about/membership

Notice a discrepancy? Yes, not a single person on the first list is on the committee.

Pelosi rejected two of the minority leader's picks for the select committee, including Banks (who was going to be the ranking member for the Republicans). This has never happened before, in the entire history of the institution. No Speaker has ever rejected the opposition party's choices to sit on a select committee. So rather than participate at all, McCarthy pulled the rest of the picks.

The two Republicans on the committee were picked by Pelosi. Cheney was picked before McCarthy submitted his picks.

This is 100% a partisan witch hunt. There is no cross-examination, and no contrary opinions are allowed. Everything is framed and presented to serve the political purposes of one party. It's pure propaganda.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/21/1018924596/nancy-pelosi-rejects-2-gop-picks-for-jan-6-inquiry-committee
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 05:06:33 PM
I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest.
Here are the 5 Republicans House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy selected for the January 6th Select Committee:
Jim Banks of Indiana
Jim Jordan of Ohio
Rodney Davis of Illinois
Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota
Troy Nehls of Texas
https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-selects-five-republicans-000235782.html

Here are the Republicans on the January 6th Select Committee:
Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
https://january6th.house.gov/about/membership

Notice a discrepancy? Not a single person on the first list is on the committee.

Pelosi rejected two of the minority leader's picks for the select committee, including Banks (who was going to be the ranking member). This has never happened before, in the entire history of the institution. So rather than participate at all, McCarthy pulled the rest of the picks.

The two Republicans on the committee were picked by Pelosi. Cheney was picked before McCarthy submitted his picks.

This is 100% a partisan witch hunt and propaganda. There is no cross-examination, and no contrary opinions are allowed. Everything is frame and presented to serve the political purposes of one party.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/21/1018924596/nancy-pelosi-rejects-2-gop-picks-for-jan-6-inquiry-committee

Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)

Agreed that this is a partisan witch hunt, though I think some seemed a bit valid to me, in part because I didn't get that. Feeling a little less angry and betrayed if it has been shown that the things I was upset about would have crumbled under cross examination or were invalid factually.

This is what I get for only watching snippets directly and relying on admittedly somewhat sketchier news sources and articles to summarize most of it. I will in retrospect advise a fair bit of what I said be consequently taken with more than just a grain of salt.

I do think I may have done some soundbiting in retrospect on paragraphs 3 and 4, also, too many topics touched on mostly briefly, some involving opinion or personal feelings/prospective feelings.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 29, 2022, 06:06:01 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal.

It seems strange that Putin ran out of money before the 2020 election.

Must have been saving it up for the Ukraine invasion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 06:19:55 PM
Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)
In the next paragraph, you claimed there were judicial reviews, and they were thrown out due to lack of evidence. No, nearly all were thrown out due to lack of standing, without making any judgment on the evidence.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 29, 2022, 06:28:49 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal.

It seems strange that Putin ran out of money before the 2020 election.

Must have been saving it up for the Ukraine invasion.

I mean, a lot of intelligence agencies still think he tried to do election stuff. Though a lot of it was no longer directly in support of Trump, even if some still seemed to be? Dunno, maybe he wanted a weak NATO but Trump actually was making progress for the US along some lines more broadly, so he started backing away from Trump support as "What a great plan!" That said I'm not him so I'll leave it to the analysts.

Like, according to them there also apparently may have been and probably were attempts to push polarization and also radical left wing candidates like Bernie Sanders. Possibly to weaken the US. That said, for this one I'm less informed, so this somewhat sketchy site and its sources may need to suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2020_United_States_elections

I think it's a waste, though, to pretend like it would tarnish the legitimacy of any election even if Trump had somehow won in part thanks to Russian assistance. Or to refuse to concede what seem like legit points in order to prove wrong something that wouldn't be illegal for happening. Because then the left has the fact that it happened, but we don't get to present that it doesn't matter, because by trying to deny some of the likely facts we make it seem like there's reason to be invested in whether or not it happened, and that reason is somehow related to our legitimacy and the legitimacy of Trump's first term in office.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Did you even read the article?
Quote from: The article you just cited
An unidentified Secret Service official told CNN that Ornato, who works for the Secret Service again and has disputed sworn testimony involving Trump before, denies telling Hutchinson that story, and that agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident, as described, didn't happened.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:40:07 PM
Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)
In the next paragraph, you claimed there were judicial reviews, and they were thrown out due to lack of evidence. No, nearly all were thrown out due to lack of standing, without making any judgment on the evidence.

I feel like they were looked at and from what I understand found wanting, in presentation and in some cases with reference to substance and lack of evidence or solid claims as stated by some judges. (Which is not just all standing, I feel.) They also have had plenty of time to figure out standing and the like, I'd guess, and the results have been more or less the same in the 60+ total in like the entire year+ following. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/ So that to me indicates that perhaps there were content issues as well.

I do not believe I made any reference to standing or where within the process precisely these attempts were thrown out originally, but if you lack evidence, whether of standing to present a case or that something happened... That's lacking evidence, to my mind. That said, maybe I'm using the definition poorly, and not doing a good job with it, in which case yeah, now that I think of it that's on me. EDIT: Looked back and my phrasing would affiliate with Pat's use of the term more than mine currently, so that actually was a bad statement on my part.

Regardless, I think my point is that it seems to me unlikely that so many courts, so many red or Trump affiliated too, would counter that many lawsuits, even after they had time to figure out how to bring standing, if the majority were not false or did not have proper and vigorous legal legs to stand on. And I do admittedly feel, even if all had been standing, standing matters. Especially when the right leaning judges in many cases had a political reason to rule in favor if they could, and assumably did not because they cared about the letter of the law among other things, which determines in part whether an election may be declared invalid or illegal or altered through court of law. From my perspective and admittedly pretty sketch legal understanding.

Not an expert, but that is my understanding.

Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Did you even read the article?
Quote from: The article you just cited
An unidentified Secret Service official told CNN that Ornato, who works for the Secret Service again and has disputed sworn testimony involving Trump before, denies telling Hutchinson that story, and that agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident, as described, didn't happened.

Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:15:44 PM
Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
The article seems to have decided Trump is guilty, and is going to proclaim that regardless of the evidence the rest of the article provides.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 08:29:46 PM
Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
The article seems to have decided Trump is guilty, and is going to proclaim that regardless of the evidence the rest of the article provides.

Sadly true. I'll concur/concede. I think partisan media in general sometimes ignores the implications/the holistic rammifications of the very facts they peddle. Generally once they decide to vilify they will vilify by using what they have. And the left hates the color orange with a passion. Just associate yourself with it a little bit and in comes the contagion heuristic. It's kind of a failure, the extent to which Biden has to rely on Trump hate over genuine love of his agenda. Or yanno, having a sensible and cohesive agenda that actually does what he says it does.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:36:14 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 08:42:56 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:55:49 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
I revise my previous rating. On a scale of 1 to 10, you're about a -5.

It's not evidence. It's basically whether you're the party who the lawsuit claims was harmed. You (normally) can't sue someone for harming a third party, for instance, and if you try they'll throw it out without looking at whether anyone was actually harmed. For instance, the recent case where Texas challenged the elections in Pennsylvania and a couple other states was "denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot." They didn't look at whether there were problems with the elections, they just said you haven't explained why it's any of your business, Texas.

Standing is a pre-emptory dismissal, and in a lot of the election fraud lawsuits, you could argue the judges just didn't want to touch the lawsuits, so they dismissed them inappropriately, or on weak grounds. But either way, the cases weren't decided on their merits.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 09:03:07 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
I revise my previous rating. On a scale of 1 to 10, you're about a -5.

It's not evidence. It's basically whether you're the party who the lawsuit claims was harmed. You (normally) can't sue someone for harming a third party, for instance, and if you try they'll throw it out without looking at whether anyone was actually harmed. For instance, the recent case where Texas challenged the elections in Pennsylvania and a couple other states was "denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot." They didn't look at whether there were problems with the elections, they just said you haven't explained why it's any of your business, Texas.

Standing is a pre-emptory dismissal, and in a lot of the election fraud lawsuits, you could argue the judges just didn't want to touch the lawsuits, so they dismissed them inappropriately, or on weak grounds. But either way, the cases weren't decided on their merits.

So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
It's clear the judges don't want to touch it. They've basically deferred their authority to the executive branch.

Though looking over the cases (it's been a while), standing was only one of the reasons used to dismiss cases without looking at the evidence. There were also dismissed for timing (laches), lack of jurisdiction, and because it wasn't enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
It's clear the judges don't want to touch it. They've basically deferred their authority to the executive branch.

Though looking over the cases (it's been a while), standing was only one of the reasons used to dismiss cases without looking at the evidence. There were also dismissed for timing (laches), lack of jurisdiction, and because it wasn't enough to make a difference.

That mostly checks out, I guess. Pity few wanted to at least try a broad review. But I guess is what it is, and some may have felt like they were doing what they were legally supposed to do all things considered.

Speaking of failures, maybe Biden should have wound up doing more to look into or rather have neutral judicial reviews look into, the alleged fraud and that kind of thing. Especially if some are deferring authority and initiative towards his direction. Guess it might have politically backfired, but I feel like there could have actually been some degree of reconciliation if they found in his favor. And if not, who wants to be an illegitimate president? (Rhetorical question, though probably a lot of politicians these days.)

Hell, could have at least tried to rule more as a moderate/from the center all things considered. I blame a lot of the lack of bipartisan cooperation on him not living up to his original aisle-crossing portrayal, and rather doing the opposite.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 29, 2022, 11:37:54 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 30, 2022, 01:09:34 AM
Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

"Standing" in a legal sense means the Judge just does not want to hear your case.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 30, 2022, 01:10:06 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

There is no way that he can step that high.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 30, 2022, 01:15:55 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

To be fair, that article, while admittedly seeming somewhat biased, did contain at least some links that supported his points. So I wouldn’t exactly call it that bad.

That said, still feel like Ghostmaker probably has the right of it, ultimately, in that she was not a very good witness and kinda seemed a bit absurd in some of her hearsay, even if parts have potentially been confirmed as Battlemaster’s article notes… Other parts have been directly contradicted.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 30, 2022, 06:09:12 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 30, 2022, 06:43:02 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.

Potential dictator? Like Biden and his economy crippling executive orders? Like Biden ignoring his entire military staff and then blaming them when he pulls troops out of Afghanistan and leaving several billion dollars worth of military equipment behind for terrorists to confiscate?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 08:13:43 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.
I don't think you want to start invoking oaths, considering how many politicians wipe their asses with the oath they take to preserve the Constitution on a regular basis. Especially considering the behavior of certain states regarding recent SCOTUS rulings.

“William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

(from A Man For All Seasons)

Still wanna play with that chainsaw, Battle-buddy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on June 30, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

To be fair, that article, while admittedly seeming somewhat biased, did contain at least some links that supported his points. So I wouldn’t exactly call it that bad.

That said, still feel like Ghostmaker probably has the right of it, ultimately, in that she was not a very good witness and kinda seemed a bit absurd in some of her hearsay, even if parts have potentially been confirmed as Battlemaster’s article notes… Other parts have been directly contradicted.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.  Only a fool would trust a liar to be telling the truth, just because that part hasn't been proven false... yet.  That or someone who really wants the lies to be true...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 30, 2022, 10:05:38 AM
The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.
Not yet, but maybe in 2024.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 01, 2022, 09:33:48 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 01, 2022, 10:13:45 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!

So, my points were not really about the Keystone Pipeline, I feel, at least not in and of itself. More about Biden seeming out of touch with how his own decisions and stated positions may have caused the fossil fuel industry to think it was a good idea not to expand. I'm well aware that oil is producing more or less at current capacity, that's why I quoted 90%+ production capacity as a number. Oil, I feel, would have trouble expanding fast enough to make an immediate impact on gas prices, I'll agree. But fracking maybe coulda done it because most of a fracking station's output happens in the first year or so of its life, I think? Biden tried to ban it on Federal land, though he also backed out at the last second and kinda sold out liberals. I also think he's trying to lay blame at the feet of corporations for not exercising artificial supply controls as a segue into questionable uses of executive power to attempt to do just that. Which brings up the point that I am often skeptical of executive power, since it seems to me a lot like individual autocracy, and I don't really trust many/any(?) of the would-be presidents of the future on either side not to abuse that kind of power, as well as being skeptical of command economies in general, and not thinking oil companies can really produce much more at this point in time, in which case trying to command them to increase supply like Biden is hinting he might do is a bit pointless.

Admittedly though, the strategic reserves probably aren't big enough that promising to buy back into them at a set price would make much of a difference to expansion incentives unless we really expanded them, which would cost perhaps a bit too much and last only so long before us having to buy in again. So on that point I was wrong. Also, while I did blame inflation somewhat on Biden and his inability to handle transportation issues and promoted COVID supply incentives leading to shortages, as well as the Fed raising rates too slowly... Those rates were only that low in part because of Trump, who also doubled the deficit and printed some money (I think, not as sure on the latter), and Trump according to Pat (better informed than me on some of this and more capable of explaining it) had a big hand in the shortages as well. So it's not just Biden's failure, but I feel there is at least a little blame and limited competence to go around to him too.

So that's kinda where I was coming from. Don't feel like I was lying, and here's roughly what I posted:


Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.

So a little hostile towards Biden, but mainly on the grounds that I thought he was being deceptive and/or incompetent in this particular area. Which to be fair, I think the average American is pretty skeptical he can handle inflation and gas prices at this point in time. I had hoped we'd get more out of him, just as I always hope the current president will make things better for America, even when I don't agree with them. That said, I think to some extent who can we hold accountable if not our political and economic leaders in times like these.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 01, 2022, 10:17:48 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 01, 2022, 10:25:41 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 01, 2022, 11:57:43 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

Yes yes, I know that speculation is a large lar ofgas pricing, and should be regulated or eliminated you pompus ass.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbooksauthors/2021/01/25/factors-that-influence-pricing-of-oil-and-gas/?sh=2ebe50dc338d#:~:text=%20Speculation%20gets%20a%20lot%20of%20the%20blame,the%20demand%20for%20crude%20oil%20affects%20overall%20pricing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 12:46:16 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

Yes yes, I know that speculation is a large lar ofgas pricing, and should be regulated or eliminated you pompus ass.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbooksauthors/2021/01/25/factors-that-influence-pricing-of-oil-and-gas/?sh=2ebe50dc338d#:~:text=%20Speculation%20gets%20a%20lot%20of%20the%20blame,the%20demand%20for%20crude%20oil%20affects%20overall%20pricing.
Don't call people shitheads if you can't take a little heat, Princess.

You literally linked to an article that lists:
1) supply
2) demand
3) quality
4) speculation
Seriously, it lists supply & demand. That's... beyond rudimentary. It's not Economics 101. It's the first minute of Economics 101.

And how exactly would you regulate or eliminate speculation? Because speculation is how the market efficiently allocates resources. If one oil company decides there's a huge potential in a particular pipeline, then they'll invest billions in infrastructure like developing oil fields and building out ports. The investors are betting those huge investments will pay off in nice profits, but that's in the distant future. And it's that kind of forward-thinking and investment of resources over a long time that creates market efficiency, and will drive prices down. The current price is based on a time-depreciated estimate of future earnings.

But if you have a jackass like Biden who keeps canceling pipelines and permits, guess what happens? Nobody invests. Or they invest a lot less. Or they wait until the future profits are much much higher, because it's not just time-depreciated. It also factors in risk, and the risk has dramatically increased.

It's Biden's fault.

Read. At. Least. One. Book. On. Economics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 12:58:55 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Yes, people have different time preferences, which is the amount they discount the value of a dollar in the future compared to the value of a dollar today. The price of that time preference is the interest rate. Capital investment is how today's dollars are turned into a larger number of future dollars. By investing in resources today, goods can be produced more efficiently, and that's how wealth grows.

One of the standard examples is Robinson Crusoe. If he needs water, he can walk to the stream, and cup is hands, and take a drink. But if he has to walk a significant distance, then he has to spend a lot of resources (time) to get a single drink. But if he takes a half an hour to climb a tree and cut a coconut in half, he now has a cup, and can bring some water with him. Since he no longer has to walk back and forth to the stream every time he wants a drink, it takes less time (resources) to get a drink of water. But he has to spend that time to get the coconut cup in the first place, i.e. he needs to invest some of his time now to get water more efficiently in the future. Greater investments of capital (his time) could lead to a bucket, or even a plumbing system that brings the water into his shack.

The longer and more roundabout the methods of production, the richer a society becomes. The time preference of a society (i.e. how much they save) determines how much capital they save to invest in more complex means of production.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 01:14:35 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Yes, people have different time preferences, which is the amount they discount the value of a dollar in the future compared to the value of a dollar today. The price of that time preference is the interest rate. Capital investment is how today's dollars are turned into a larger number of future dollars. By investing in resources today, goods can be produced more efficiently, and that's how wealth grows.

One of the standard examples is Robinson Crusoe. If he needs water, he can walk to the stream, and cup is hands, and take a drink. But if he has to walk a significant distance, then he has to spend a lot of resources (time) to get a single drink. But if he takes a half an hour to climb a tree and cut a coconut in half, he now has a cup, and can bring some water with him. Since he no longer has to walk back and forth to the stream every time he wants a drink, it takes less time (resources) to get a drink of water. But he has to spend that time to get the coconut cup in the first place, i.e. he needs to invest some of his time now to get water more efficiently in the future. Greater investments of capital (his time) could lead to a bucket, or even a plumbing system that brings the water into his shack.

The longer and more roundabout the methods of production, the richer a society becomes. The time preference of a society (i.e. how much they save) determines how much capital they save to invest in more complex means of production.

The Crusoe analogy works well for me in helping me understand this, actually. Especially how him investing more time leads to more future improvement. I've heard that because their needs are mostly day to day, the poor help drive consumption. So I heard that a good form of economic stimulus if consumption is down is to try to help the poor through tax cuts or food stamps or welfare or subsidies or whatever, because if you give them a way or incentive to spend then they usually will. Though I guess the flip to that is that because they need the money now it might be harder for them to save or invest. Is that part of the idea behind trickle down economics or at least the alternate speculation (?) of the middle class as an engine of growth? Basically don't help the poor now but have the money and economic growth to theoretically do it later if they can survive the meantime?

Also, I could've sworn Biden promised money to the middle class and economic growth. Does that then mean he's making a compromise to some extent on aiding the poor, because of the above reasoning, just not admitting it? Seems kinda duplicitous if so and he isn't acknowledging that. (Though to be fair, dunno if the average American could really follow along in a complex economic plan, and in fact I'm not 100% sure I myself understand even the basics of what he promised, per se.) Also don’t rich people invest a lot? If so, wouldn’t targeting them be anti-growth? Kinda seems like he’s claiming we can have our cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 02:21:26 AM
The Crusoe analogy works well for me in helping me understand this, actually. Especially how him investing more time leads to more future improvement. I've heard that because their needs are mostly day to day, the poor help drive consumption. So I heard that a good form of economic stimulus if consumption is down is to try to help the poor through tax cuts or food stamps or welfare or subsidies or whatever, because if you give them a way or incentive to spend then they usually will. Though I guess the flip to that is that because they need the money now it might be harder for them to save or invest. Is that part of the idea behind trickle down economics or at least the alternate speculation (?) of the middle class as an engine of growth? Basically don't help the poor now but have the money and economic growth to theoretically do it later if they can survive the meantime?

Also, I could've sworn Biden promised money to the middle class and economic growth. Does that then mean he's making a compromise to some extent on aiding the poor, because of the above reasoning, just not admitting it? Seems kinda duplicitous if so and he isn't acknowledging that. (Though to be fair, dunno if the average American could really follow along in a complex economic plan, and in fact I'm not 100% sure I myself understand even the basics of what he promised, per se.) Also don’t rich people invest a lot? If so, wouldn’t targeting them be anti-growth? Kinda seems like he’s claiming we can have our cake and eat it too.
The argument for savings comes from classical, i.e. traditional economics. The consumption argument comes from Keynes, who argued that economic downturns are caused by a failure in public confidence. As people worry about the future, so they start to put money in savings accounts rather than spending. Since money flows from hand to hand through the economy, when someone feels insecure and pulls money out of the system, this takes money out of the hands of other people who would have otherwise received the money. And those people in turn will start to hoard money (lowering aggregate demand), which collectively will lead to an economic slump. The solution he proposed is for the central government to spend lots of money, increasing confidence by buying services and things, thereby putting money into people's hands, who will put it into new hands by spending it, thereby kickstarting the flow of money again. Basically, the idea is that it's all psychological and the technocrats can smooth out economic cycles by manipulating the money supply. This is the belief held by mainstream (new Keynsian) economists, like those of the Fed. In this theory, consumption is key.

In contrast, the Austrians think that's nonsense. (This is the view of pretty much anyone who criticizes the Fed.) They believe the boom-bust business cycle is caused by monetary inflation (printing money), which leads people to think there's more real wealth in the economy than there really is, resulting in them throwing lots of money at marginal investments. But since printing money doesn't actually increase the amount of wealth in the economy, this leads to a crash as people realize they've overextended themselves, and they have pull their resources out of the bad investments and put it to more efficient use. Recessions are needed to reallocate resources, and if they're not allowed to happen (say by printing even more money), then even more resources become misallocated and the eventual and inevitable crash will be even bigger. In this theory, production is key.

These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on July 02, 2022, 07:17:50 AM
These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
It's the perfect time for Fear the Boom and Bust: Keynes vs. Hayek - The Original Economics Rap Battle! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on July 02, 2022, 12:25:05 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!

By that standard, shouldn't gas prices have been just as high under Trump?  But they weren't.  Gas was about $2.00 per gallon.  (As a side note,  Americans could not only find peanut butter on their grocery store shelves, they could afford to buy a jar of it).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2022, 12:36:29 PM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 02, 2022, 04:08:47 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficient and effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks and found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would be overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fucking corporate pigs would oink and squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense of duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)




Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.

Former MM2 (nuc) nodding in agreement.

USS Nimitz (CVN-68). S8G Prototype. You?

EDIT: What do you think of the new Thorium reactor designs for civilian use?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:42:28 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.

Former MM2 (nuc) nodding in agreement.

USS Nimitz (CVN-68). S8G Prototype. You?

   George Washington, prototype in Charleston (honestly cant remember a pet name for that sweet sub bolted to the pier), and I too was a knuckle dragger.  (edited to add: from memory I am pretty sure Washington was CVN-73, but those days are cloudy to me now).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:58:21 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 02, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!


  You, are a fucking idiot.  The NRC is more or less the military both in personnel composition and standards.  3 Mile island did not fail due to some graft or weakness or corruption.  A FUCKING PRESSURE RELIEF CHECK VAVLE WAS STUCK OPEN FOR OVER 9 HOURS and NOONE BOTHERED TO CHECK IT as the light was known to malfunction, despite a roving watch that is supposed to check that area of the site every hour.   The people failed badly, and almost all of them former military and all of them under EXTREMELY strict standards and regulations.  You just have no fucking idea what you are talking about here.   The same people designing the navy reactors design and supply the civilian ones (GE is your god).  So yes it is super clear you are just an idiot.  I suggest keep ranting about hating people that love jesus, it seems more your intellectual speed.   
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 05:33:43 PM
  Regarding trying to use the UCMJ to govern civilians and their work lives.....good fucking luck getting anyone to sign up for that. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 05:49:00 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!

Dance, monkey! Dance!

This is why you get mocked so much. You are convinced of your own self-importance, except you have no real grasp of the issue you talk about. You have talking points, not deep understanding. You have news bites, but not the experience of working with the subject matter. You claim to be a Bill Maher democrat, but Bill Maher was a mouthpiece blurting out the same idiocy and Trump Derangement Syndrome that you do until it personally affected him - then that sleeper awakened from the woke. You are struggling with the woke nightmare, but you have yet to awaken from it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 06:05:59 PM
These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
It's the perfect time for Fear the Boom and Bust: Keynes vs. Hayek - The Original Economics Rap Battle! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk)

This and its sequel were amazing. And now I’m a bit more motivated to try and get through the 3 books I was recommended in order to understand the more complex mechanics and actual math/research behind these schools. I want to throw hands too! Just have to figure out who I should be supporting, I guess.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 06:10:22 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

   Thanks. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 11:59:51 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

   Thanks.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/thorium.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

The wikipedia article has some good links attached to it along with a basic overview.

https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html

Of particular interest to me was the section on Thorium Myths.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 12:02:17 AM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.

I don't expect more out of Biden than token efforts. He is propped up by the same Greens that propped up Obama, and Greens have been terrified of nuclear since their inception.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Jaeger on July 03, 2022, 03:45:59 AM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

(https://c.tenor.com/ovbytB2ncZ4AAAAM/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman.gif)

The Biden administration did not give an explanation after it missed its own deadline to plan future oil and gas lease sales Thursday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-misses-major-oil-lease-deadline-an-absolute-disgrace/ar-AAZ4RPp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ddc0a96900d94a838c518fef24e73441

This is intentional sabotage.

Exhibit A:

CNN: "What do you say to those families that say, 'listen, we can't afford to pay $4.85 a gallon for months, if not years?’"

BIDEN ADVISOR BRIAN DEESE: "This is about the future of the Liberal World Order and we have to stand firm."
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1542684948519419908


"...We must understand that our rulers are traitors of our Nation who are devoted to the elimination of populations, and that all of their actions are carried out in order to cause the greatest amount of harm to citizens. It is not a problem of inexperience or inability but rather of an intentio nocendi – a deliberate intention to harm. Honest citizens find it inconceivable that those who govern them could do it with the perverse intention of undermining and destroying them, so much so that they find it very hard to believe. The main cause of this very serious problem is found in the corruption of authority along with the resigned obedience of those who are governed."

"Nothing that the wicked do is going to “work” in the traditional sense, nothing is going to function “properly”, because they actually seek to manage the inevitable collapse of their evil order in a form that will permit them to retain their influence, fancy pants, and lollipops."



In other news:

A vegan burger made to taste like Human Meat received an AWARD in Cannes.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/vegan-burger-hyped-for-tasting-like-human-meat-wins-award/

How do they know what human meat tastes like?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:43:24 AM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:45:29 AM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 12:24:54 PM
Reason is not dead here yet.

Although you are certainly trying to kill it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on July 03, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on July 03, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

I agree that it's a problem, but it's a problem that the world has *always* had. In the past, it was oligarchs like the Rockefellers, the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Hearsts who dominated public policy.

Going back further in the past, you had corporations like the British East India company who literally ruled India, or the Dole corporation who conquered the Kingdom of Hawaii.

I agree that the best way out of this is supporting anti-corporate politicians, but the mainstream of both parties is moved by corporations - because they control public opinion to a large degree. We need more voters who are willing to accept inconvenience and hardship in order to resist corporate domination, and elect in primaries and local races politicians who don't support corporate control.

And it's always a question of lesser evil. The best way is to start with local races like mayor and city council. There is exactly one member of my city council whom I support, for example.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

Damn, reasonable people are posting all over today. Must be the season for them. I'm behind your view here pretty much completely.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:51:50 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 04:37:43 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.

It helps you to agree with a post when the poster makes a cogent point in a fair and reasonable, non offensive tone.   8)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 04:48:33 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

Classical liberalism ran into some problems in the post ww2 era. Nuclear weapons changed the world. It was foreseeable that nations could be utterly destroyed quickly within tge dominf few decades. This mandated a much stronger military with nuclear deterrent capacity, which mandated a strong central authority to maintain nuclear security.

Also globalization made a unified government for America necessary as we could not have each state deciding how to deal with foreign governments. Now that foreign nations could pose a more dangerous threat faster than before again, a centralized power was needed more than ever before.

Also globalization and automation changed socioeconomic dynamics heavily. With unemployment caused by both you needed social liberalism to deal with the changing dynamics.

The definition of liberalism has had to evolve in the post ww2 reality.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 03, 2022, 05:12:31 PM
Everything you need to know about the UN can be summed up by the fact that China can sit on the Human Rights Council.

The UN stopped as many wars as the League of Nations did.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

Classical liberalism ran into some problems in the post ww2 era. Nuclear weapons changed the world. It was foreseeable that nations could be utterly destroyed quickly within tge dominf few decades. This mandated a much stronger military with nuclear deterrent capacity, which mandated a strong central authority to maintain nuclear security.

Also globalization made a unified government for America necessary as we could not have each state deciding how to deal with foreign governments. Now that foreign nations could pose a more dangerous threat faster than before again, a centralized power was needed more than ever before.

Also globalization and automation changed socioeconomic dynamics heavily. With unemployment caused by both you needed social liberalism to deal with the changing dynamics.

The definition of liberalism has had to evolve in the post ww2 reality.
You got the timing wrong, liberalism changed in the first two decades of the 20th century, not in the 40s. You see early examples in Wilson's League of Nations, and it flowered after the Great Depression.

And none of that "mandates" anything. It was just an excuse for accruing more power to a central state. And the driver wasn't nukes, but the horror of WW2. The US is somewhat insulated, by its late entry, lack of any real invasion of its homeland, and two big oceans. But it hit Europe and the conquered nations hard, and caused both a crisis of confidence and a sense of shame, which drove them to seek safely in international institutions and to delegate the hard choices to the US military complex.

Liberalism, in the classic sense, is long dead. The US Constitution then Lincoln killed it. It only survives in mutated forms in things like modern libertarianism. The progressive statist false-liberalism of the also long dead version Democratic party, of which Bill Maher is a late vestige, combined utopian progressivism as exemplified by Teddy Roosevelt and the later Brain Trust of his distant cousin, with grassroots unionism and populism, and took advantage of every crisis to grow.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 03, 2022, 05:22:38 PM
You can declare 'the Navy vets should run the nuke program'. The problem is who's running the Navy vets?

Bureaucrats. Lawyers. Activists. Shills. People who roll out Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Three Mile Island every time someone raises the prospect of nuclear power. No matter how good the design, no matter how safe, it's never, ever safe enough.

And if something goes wrong, they'll fuckin' lie to you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 06:00:59 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.

It helps you to agree with a post when the poster makes a cogent point in a fair and reasonable, non offensive tone.   8)

I agree.

Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 06:20:20 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

Like I said. You're just as responsible for the level of discourse on this site by participating in "going off" on someone. So I don't take your judgements about the "level of reason" on this site seriously.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 07:47:41 PM
That's what block lists are for.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 11:36:39 PM
That's what block lists are for.

You don't seem to be managing yours very well.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 03, 2022, 11:49:56 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

  You made no point though.  Jeff and I and several other members of this forum are actual trained nuclear power plant operators who were in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion program.  Personally I know a good deal about how nuclear power is regulated in the USA just from people I knew then who worked in the industry as well as information we got throughout training and military career while doing the job.   I can understand the point of view, but you propose what is already there on one hand as well as not understanding the former nucs working in civilian plants are there because they did not stay in the Navy, meaning they did not care to live under the UCMJ any more.   Trying to bring such a restrictive rule of law to civilians is going to mean no one works in the industry.  The people there are well trained and have integrity beaten into them from day one of being in the program.  Your solution is no solution and looked like the inane ranting of a person with absolutely zero clue as to how the system works now.  If you expect any sort of soft tone on explaining that to you when you clearly have what is a violent animus (despite likely being COMPLETELY unequipped mentally or physically to engage in violence) towards people who voted for trump,  you are completely tone deaf. 

   You just lash out and go off because that is how petulant children act.  I get wanting to vent a bit and we are all guilty of it.  The constant tone as if you are some sort of genius explaining how retarded people who vote for trump are though is a bit old, especially coming from a guy who misspells every 5th word.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on July 04, 2022, 11:07:13 AM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

  You made no point though.  Jeff and I and several other members of this forum are actual trained nuclear power plant operators who were in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion program.  Personally I know a good deal about how nuclear power is regulated in the USA just from people I knew then who worked in the industry as well as information we got throughout training and military career while doing the job.   I can understand the point of view, but you propose what is already there on one hand as well as not understanding the former nucs working in civilian plants are there because they did not stay in the Navy, meaning they did not care to live under the UCMJ any more.   Trying to bring such a restrictive rule of law to civilians is going to mean no one works in the industry.  The people there are well trained and have integrity beaten into them from day one of being in the program.  Your solution is no solution and looked like the inane ranting of a person with absolutely zero clue as to how the system works now.  If you expect any sort of soft tone on explaining that to you when you clearly have what is a violent animus (despite likely being COMPLETELY unequipped mentally or physically to engage in violence) towards people who voted for trump,  you are completely tone deaf. 

   You just lash out and go off because that is how petulant children act.  I get wanting to vent a bit and we are all guilty of it.  The constant tone as if you are some sort of genius explaining how retarded people who vote for trump are though is a bit old, especially coming from a guy who misspells every 5th word.

Let's also not forget that even though everyone who went through the pipeline was above average IQ as compared to the general population, that there were still varying degrees of competency. I'm the first to admit I was not the #1 in RC-Div, nor was I a complete retard - when you have to hire a large amount of people, you tend to have to take even the complete retards.  TMI happened even with former navy nukes sitting the panel...  The issue is you need people who can question things and not just blindly follow procedure.

No one remembers Davis Besse's 1977 incident even though it started out identically to TMI - a small LOCA in the primary side steam space - the operators took the same exact actions to shut off the high pressure injection pumps because that is how they were trained on the plant simulator to not let the plant go solid.  No one understood how the plant response would be to a LOCA due to stuck open pressurizer PORVs because the design basis didn't model it in the simulator, resulting in the operators following their training into doing the exact wrong thing.  If not for the fact that one of the operators thought about it and ordered the pressurizer PORV block valve to be shut, Davis Besse would have been TMI.

Unfortunately, with the emphasis today if trying to inject equity and diversity into hard sciences and the cultural disdain for education amongst some segments of the population, we have several generations of people who can't make change at a McDonald's without following the pictures in the register, let alone be able to understand how to operate a system-of-systems engineering plant.

Now inject in the "helpfulness" of government regulation...  I've seen shipyard workers in a foreign shipyard walk under a load being moved by a crane without them thinking that that is probably not a good idea - because they've been conditioned to think that legislating safety processes makes it so that something like a lift couldn't possibly go wrong, dumping several tons of hardware onto them.  This, at the same time that they wanted to know the exact metallurgical makeup of the cabinetry being lifted to see if the equipment would be "safe" to lift, totally ignoring the fact that the equipment was designed and built to withstand events that would be more stressful than lifting it from it's lifting eyes with a crane...

You can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 11:36:44 AM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 04, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.
That's almost entirely garbage.

The regulations placed on banks during the Great Depression didn't lead to 50 years without a crash. The government response to the crash of 1929 prolonged the depression, which only ended about 15 years later with WW2. Compare Black Thursday in 1929 to the even more severe crash in 1920, where Harding did nothing, and the economy bounced back within a year. And it was the Bretton Woods system and the gold standard established after that war that led to a lack of serious crashes between WW2 and the 1970s. But when Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971 and started printing money, it led directly to stagflation. So even if we assume government regulation is responsible for any stability during the 50 year window you gave, instead of attributing it to the real cause which was not inflating the money supply, you still have to carve out 15 years on the front end, and 10 on the back end. 25/50 years is a terrible track record. The monetary inflation starting in the 1970s is also the primary cause of the flattening of real wage growth for the middle class, because monetary inflation is another form of wealth transfer.

And as I explained earlier, Carter deregulated more than Reagan, and the S&L crisis was caused by government regulation, not your bogeyman of greedy corporations. Plus, there was no recession in the 90s. It was an area of almost uniform growth. And you missed the dot com crash of the early aughts.

Also, your idea that Republicans are against regulation is disproved by the number of pages added to the Federal Register each year. The difference between the parties isn't the difference between going 99.99999% the speed of light, and a full stop. It's between 0.9999999c and 0.9999998c.

So government regulation and government interference was behind almost all the economic problems of the last century, and that even includes the housing crash of 2008, which was caused by the Clinton-era repeal of parts of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, as well as government housing policies that pushed lenders to extend credit to people who were incapable of paying it back, because expanding home ownership is political gold, even when it leads to disaster.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 04, 2022, 02:33:06 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.

  You fucking retard....the USN and the NRC have the SAME SPECS AND REGULATIONS!!!.   I explained that to you.  I said you are not going to get people to work a job where they have to have the UCMJ over them.....you do not seem to understand what the UCMJ is so it goes right over your head.  You are bringing financial regulations in (which are really just ways for the oligarchs to crush small fish, but that is completely different) and making an apples to cadillacs comparison.   
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 03:17:39 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.
That's almost entirely garbage.

The regulations placed on banks during the Great Depression didn't lead to 50 years without a crash. The government response to the crash of 1929 prolonged the depression, which only ended about 15 years later with WW2. Compare Black Thursday in 1929 to the even more severe crash in 1920, where Harding did nothing, and the economy bounced back within a year. And it was the Bretton Woods system and the gold standard established after that war that led to a lack of serious crashes between WW2 and the 1970s. But when Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971 and started printing money, it led directly to stagflation. So even if we assume government regulation is responsible for any stability during the 50 year window you gave, instead of attributing it to the real cause which was not inflating the money supply, you still have to carve out 15 years on the front end, and 10 on the back end. 25/50 years is a terrible track record. The monetary inflation starting in the 1970s is also the primary cause of the flattening of real wage growth for the middle class, because monetary inflation is another form of wealth transfer.

And as I explained earlier, Carter deregulated more than Reagan, and the S&L crisis was caused by government regulation, not your bogeyman of greedy corporations. Plus, there was no recession in the 90s. It was an area of almost uniform growth. And you missed the dot com crash of the early aughts.

Also, your idea that Republicans are against regulation is disproved by the number of pages added to the Federal Register each year. The difference between the parties isn't the difference between going 99.99999% the speed of light, and a full stop. It's between 0.9999999c and 0.9999998c.

So government regulation and government interference was behind almost all the economic problems of the last century, and that even includes the housing crash of 2008, which was caused by the Clinton-era repeal of parts of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, as well as government housing policies that pushed lenders to extend credit to people who were incapable of paying it back, because expanding home ownership is political gold, even when it leads to disaster.

I feel like I’m learning a fair bit from this. That said, be prepared for some ignorant questions now that the mental gears are turning.

Was Keynes right about WW2 ending the Depression? I kinda liked Hayek’s take on war and army employment within the rap battle, though I acknowledge it seemed to favor an Austrian perspective. Hoover seemed to me a lot less interventionist than FDR, working to let private and local folks lead, and I heard the fed didn’t slash interest rates by too much during the start of the Depression, but shouldn’t dropping them at all have done something to cause an artificial boom under the Austrian perspective? Basically, why didn’t the Depression end or at least abate with Hoover taking point?

Also, with the raw Austrian perspective, how were there any crashes at all on the gold standard? How could the fed print money or cause inflation when all the money was backed by real gold value?

Regarding flattening middle class wages, is it because inflation started making it harder for the middle class to save and invest to gain money that way and meant wages had to constantly jog to catch up with inflation? Why didn’t the market for labor factor in inflation? Is there a weird mechanism I’m missing?

Wasn’t the dot com crash fueled by excessive speculation? Under Hayek I assume that means it was preceded by low interest rates. But why would the malinvestments from that all be in one sector?

Didn’t know Republicans almost never manage to cut regulations, that lowers my opinion of the right in delivering on campaign promises.

I knew a bit about the poor and dishonest oversight in the ratings system and deregulation that led to 2008. Feel like we need better regulation, albeit less.

Felt like Hayek won the Econ rap battle, perhaps partly due to being favored by the writers. But some of this is making me question that, albeit possibly that’d be less the case if I’d already read his theory and could apply more than rap battle soundbites. The fact that econometricians seemed in favor of Keynes in that rap battle though, in combination with some of this stuff, is making me confused as to whether it’s all as simple as the rap battle Austrian perspective was portrayed. I feel like theories need to bear themselves out in practice, no matter how solid, to be accepted as the whole truth, and econometric statistical analysis may be part of that.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 03:27:27 PM
Biden’s a Keynesian, right? Is that a failure or a perk? Or is Biden kinda just on board with being politically expedient? (Ex: Do we have any examples of him ignoring BOTH the Keynesian and Austrian perspective? Or switching approaches/abandoning a line of reasoning? I feel like there could potentially be a gold vein of criticisms relevant to the thread to discover here.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 04, 2022, 05:27:50 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

(https://www.macrotrends.net/assets/images/large/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart.png)

Herp Derp
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 09:41:05 PM
Hope everyone's having a good 4th of July and celebrating our nation's independence.

I think it unfortunate that an unexpected tragedy is now being used by the president as the next piece of ammunition in a bid to curtail our second amendment rights. Biden saying there is "more work to do" on the policy front, presumably from past statements particularly as regards gun control and assaulting our liberties.

Despite actual mass shooting statistics showing that such shootings of 4 or more people represent less than 1% of total gun homicides, in less than a third of which a rifle, nevermind an assault rifle, is used. And despite how many crimes are prevented annually just by victims and good samaritans having guns. A sum arguably eclipsing the number of unjustified killings by gun, and coming well within range of the number stopped directly even by police.

May be a somewhat controversial stance more broadly to call his agenda on "gun control" (restricting second ammendment rights) a failing, but I'm going there.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Jaeger on July 05, 2022, 03:20:13 AM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

Normies don't keep track, or pay attention to, any of that UN, IMF, GATT, WTO crap. They relied too much on their "elected" leaders to act in their best interests.

And it is becoming increasingly obvious to the normies that they never have.

Until relatively recently people who did try to warn others about the negative effects of the 'liberal world order'/'new world order' (Both phrases that have now been openly used by MSM pundits who approve of these things) were being dismissed as conspiracy theory crackpots.

It is only because Elites feel they have a sufficient hold on power that they are now starting to directly use those phrases openly via their MSM mouthpieces.

So yeah, normies gonna flip out when the truth of what is happening is finally getting shoved in front of their faces.


Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. ...

Because the alleged 'positive effects' have proven to be a big fat bag of lies.

The U.S. has been functionally 'at war' with someone every decade for the past 70 years. So much for ensuring "peace".

We have so much debt that it will never be paid down. The economic fall is inevitable. It is only a matter of when, not if. And virtually every 'Liberal' western nation is in the same boat. So much for economic stability.

We have all been cursed to live in interesting times.

I mean seriously, how do they know what human meat tastes like?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 09:29:57 AM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 08, 2022, 02:25:10 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.

The hell was he even thinking? Yeah, in theory it boosts global supply of gas, which drops prices, and China pays for it/pays our nation, but I feel like that's naive reasoning. For one thing that gas specifically isn't gonna inherently lead to more winding up here without a seriously higher willingness to pay, and while we have that over China because they still take Russian gas, it's not like American citizens wouldn't still have to pay for transport and profit, so we could have gotten more direct aid by selling it to corporations here. Moreover, China is pretty evil and basically a snake. If their state run companies want it enough to pay, screw cooperation, especially since diplomacy doesn't really work with them on a feel-good empty-gesture basis. Trying to trick informed global leaders into thinking America can lower their gas prices with minimal dipping into the strategic reserve is not nearly as easy as tricking Democrats, I would presume, and there's a point where what little alleviation global markets get from that would be better concentrated directly at home. Not really gonna call it treason, (though Biden is pretty darn corrupt or at least corrupt enough to cover for his son) cuz politicians have and execute terrible ideas that have real world negative consequences all the time, but would definitely agree on it being proof of idiocy/senility and a failure well worth including on this thread.

 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 05:44:53 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 08, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 08, 2022, 06:43:53 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Cant he just get a book publishing deal like everyone else?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 10:43:36 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
What astonishes me is the bald-faced brazenness of it. And it worries the fuck out of me, because it could mean:

(a) they are literally so secure they don't give a shit who sees.
(b) they are literally so stupid they don't give a shit who sees.
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 09, 2022, 12:57:14 AM
Apparently, according to The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/08/biden-sold-oil-from-emergency-reserves-to-chinese-gas-giant-tied-to-his-scandal-plagued-son/), Hunter Biden’s lawyer claimed he divested from BHR, which had the big investment in Sinopec, back in November before this deal went through. But Sinopec never updated their website regarding who was on the board as recently as March, when all the oil got sent. There should be an inquiry, possibly tied to an impeachment trial if confirmation can be obtained, because the American public deserves to know, I feel.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
What astonishes me is the bald-faced brazenness of it. And it worries the fuck out of me, because it could mean:

(a) they are literally so secure they don't give a shit who sees.
(b) they are literally so stupid they don't give a shit who sees.
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

All three of these potential options scare me, though c would be the worst by far. That said I do think it’s probably a or b, or a combination thereof. America wouldn’t go down easy, and I think we’ll stay in play for a while yet, though things may not be looking too hot for us at the moment. (I’m pretty darn sure that on top of inflation, a recession is coming. Possibly really hitting at the end of Biden’s term should the fed drop rates to temporarily stave it off. I don’t have the economic expertise to really back said view, but I do believe in it.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 09, 2022, 01:42:14 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on July 09, 2022, 09:08:48 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......

"Looting the treasury" started under the Clinton Administration. Option C is "willing to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 09, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Oh, it’s definitely C. The bill always comes due and sooner or later the State always runs out of other people’s money to spend.

I hope you’re not still living in a big city, and particularly not in the Southwest (the Lake Mead situation is about to fuck everyone out there hard thanks to California’s criminal water mismanagement).

Real support networks of real people (ex. a church community, not a weekly gaming club of half a dozen people) will be the key to survival. Lone post apocalyptic survival memes aren’t a viable long term survival strategy. You need numbers sufficient for specialization of labor if you don’t want to live in a scavenger society.

Get ready for the mother of all fantasy LARPs; one with no rules and no scheduled end date.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 09, 2022, 11:13:42 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Oh, it’s definitely C. The bill always comes due and sooner or later the State always runs out of other people’s money to spend.

I hope you’re not still living in a big city, and particularly not in the Southwest (the Lake Mead situation is about to fuck everyone out there hard thanks to California’s criminal water mismanagement).

Real support networks of real people (ex. a church community, not a weekly gaming club of half a dozen people) will be the key to survival. Lone post apocalyptic survival memes aren’t a viable long term survival strategy. You need numbers sufficient for specialization of labor if you don’t want to live in a scavenger society.

Get ready for the mother of all fantasy LARPs; one with no rules and no scheduled end date.
I've got a little list, they'll never be missed.

But yeah. Rough history coming.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:08:51 PM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 13, 2022, 07:52:10 AM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on July 13, 2022, 11:15:47 AM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.

I would love to have her within hearing distance (DOCTOR Jill Biden "She's a doctor!"):

"Hey, Doctor Biden? You know what type of Taco am I? Im a go fuck yourself taco!"
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 14, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.

I would love to have her within hearing distance (DOCTOR Jill Biden "She's a doctor!"):

"Hey, Doctor Biden? You know what type of Taco am I? Im a go fuck yourself taco!"
One of my favorites...
(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2022/07/291893979_587381999561404_6099778810040494343_n.jpeg)

Also seen on the Internet... "Better a taco than having a husband who's an empty shell."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on July 16, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
Taco Bell is offering a buy Juan, get Juan free deal all day today in honor of Jill Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2022, 03:02:53 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thornhammer on July 30, 2022, 04:25:25 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on July 30, 2022, 05:49:43 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.
Treatments aren't meant to prevent reinfection. That it aided recovery is what makes a useful treatment. Unfortunately, very little is effective in preventing reinfection (neither vaccine-based nor natural immunity is doing much to help against current variants).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.

Not to mention vaccines - and I'm pro-vax :-X

This news cycle was so fast that when I read "Biden tests positive for COVID again" I thought "Again?! I don't remember that he ever was sick..." "Yeah, once. It happened... Er... Five days ago...?" I mean...

Treatments aren't meant to prevent reinfection. That it aided recovery is what makes a useful treatment. Unfortunately, very little is effective in preventing reinfection (neither vaccine-based nor natural immunity is doing much to help against current variants).

True, but treatments aren't supposed to disappear overnight. My mother got COVID twice and recovered twice, but the second time (last week actually) was six months after the first - not after three days. Also, shouldn't Biden, of all people, live in a bubble? From who he re-catched it? And if a relapse is expected after less than a week, shouldn't the White House be a bit more prudent before boasting that he is home-free?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 11:43:36 AM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://t.co/j1l7uc8omS

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 12:22:38 PM
dp
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2022, 12:56:58 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf
I get an error from that link. Can you fix it?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on August 09, 2022, 01:11:03 PM
Greetings!

Excellent video discussing the FBI actions at Mira Lago.

Absolutely corrupt, Banana Republic bullshit, just like Dan Bongino said. I hope that all of the fucking Liberal Democrats burn for this. Hunt them all down and feed them to the alligators. The fucking globalist traitor scum deserve to bathe in napalm.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 09, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 09, 2022, 01:34:28 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2022, 01:36:27 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough.
The walls are closing in!!!111eleventy

LOL.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on August 09, 2022, 02:12:51 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough.
The walls are closing in!!!111eleventy

LOL.

We are defeated! Lie back, and think of Lincoln!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 09, 2022, 04:31:23 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.

Not just letting him fade away presumes that the radical leftists running the Dems think like normal people. They don't. They do these things because they think that everyone would do what they themselves do...

This raid is pure political attention-whoring. It was to recover documents that were sent to Mar-a-Lago by the GSA and to which the FBI was already aware of and has had access to for *months*...

This will come back to bite them in the ass. First in the midterms when it is extraordinarily likely for there to be a Republican majority in both the house and Senate. Then, in 24 - if Trump runs again, it's a landslide. If he doesn't, it'll be a spiritual successor, at which point, everyone in the current admin had better get their affairs in order and have their lawyers' retainers paid up.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 04:31:53 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf
I get an error from that link. Can you fix it?

Done.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 09, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.

They need something to distract from Biden's terrible presidency. And Trump usually responds to being poked at. If Trump were politically savvy, he'd go dark and let them flounder. But he won't.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 07:14:29 PM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 09, 2022, 08:36:28 PM
The DoJ have been fishing for something, anything to pin on Trump for years now. Nothing has stuck because they can't find anything besides their hurt fee fees.

This is another nothingburger that will only further polarize the parties and reinforce to the American public that the Democrats are as terrible as the Republicans.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on August 09, 2022, 10:48:56 PM
Greetings!

Here is a fantastic video commentary by Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh program, on the Daily Wire.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Trond on August 10, 2022, 10:50:57 AM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.

Source?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 10, 2022, 11:00:37 AM
Trump sure has switched up his relationship with the 5th, hasn't he? Unless, of course, he's guilty...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2022, 11:43:15 AM
Napkins, dinner menues, it sure looks like it was a matter of national security that needed 12 glowies RAIDING Trump's home...

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 10, 2022, 12:17:05 PM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.

Source?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.html

Plenty of other outlets reporting on this as well.