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Title: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 15, 2021, 06:42:00 PM
Greetings!

Here, Sean Hannity provides a quick rundown of the cascade of failed policies instituted by Biden throughout the American government and economy. Eye opening for sure. Just amazing how swiftly Biden and Kamala are destroying America. So sad.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Horace on October 15, 2021, 08:46:33 PM
It really is a monumental disaster.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 15, 2021, 11:11:03 PM
Biden's Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, has been conspicuously absent for discussions about the supply chain choke.

That's because Buttigieg's been out on paid paternity leave with his partner. Since fucking August.

Folks, I'm not gonna mince words here. We all know damn well neither Butters or his butt-buddy didn't pop their kids out. So it can't be physical issues, injury, or illness from pregnancy/postpartum.

So why's he been out? Well, for one, this is a sinecure. Bootyjudge's qualifications for his position were (a) he likes trains, (b) he's gay, and (c) he didn't interfere when the DNC shoehorned Sleepy Joe into the nomination.

I suspect another reason is that while he may be a politician he's not a complete moron. Much like Heels-Up Harris, he's avoiding DC as much as possible because he knows things are going to get a lot worse.

But hey -- no more mean tweets, right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: ChrisFox on October 15, 2021, 11:57:16 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Spinachcat on October 16, 2021, 04:33:22 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 12:07:49 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on October 16, 2021, 01:00:25 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
His partner could address the day-to-day, but unlike most parents, they have the $$ to afford a nanny or two to assist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 16, 2021, 02:27:14 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Blink_Dog on October 16, 2021, 02:42:04 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Kathy Geiss from 30 Rock became Sec of the treasury.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Secretary_Janet_Yellen_portrait.jpg/800px-Secretary_Janet_Yellen_portrait.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lGHI6kPUweE/mqdefault.jpg)

A definite C-O-N-spiracy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 16, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
At least half (if not more) the blame lies on the Republican party / conservative movement which has consistently failed to provide meaningful opposition to the totalitarian left, and in many cases intentionally works with & buys into the totalitarian left's framing.

Of course the failure was was baked into the cake pretty much as soon as the Federal Reserve was created. Being able to print money is basically a cheat code for real life.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 16, 2021, 05:28:01 PM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 07:49:20 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2021, 08:15:34 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 16, 2021, 08:22:32 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Blink_Dog on October 16, 2021, 09:08:15 PM


OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

I have often wondered if when things like this happen, it is intended to trigger a revolution or coup. Like a BS litmus test.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 16, 2021, 09:34:00 PM
The Buttgieg thing is awful no doubt, but this country is so far beyond giving a damn about whether a CIA face shows up for his do-nothing job.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 16, 2021, 10:56:31 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
It's a reward, not a job. You seem to be relying on an archaic notions like a "worth ethic" or "earning a living".

And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 16, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 17, 2021, 06:40:17 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on October 17, 2021, 10:58:08 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.
Quite right. All of it is intentional.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 11:36:07 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on October 17, 2021, 11:39:21 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.
Quite right. All of it is intentional.
All part of the "Great Reset".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 17, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 17, 2021, 01:00:58 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Horace on October 17, 2021, 01:10:44 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.

You can't expect that level of self-awareness from the useful idiots that voted for Biden. The media is telling them that life is better under Biden, and they believe it. Most of them don't even experience any form of cognitive dissonance, because they simply are not that aware of what's going on around them. Their celebrity idols are happy, the media is happy, and the late-night talk show hosts are happy. That's their whole view of the world. The few of them who do experience cognitive dissonance (from, say, empty store shelves or rising costs) immediately flee into the arms of the media and their celebrity idols, who assure them that it is all the Republicans' fault somehow. And they believe it. Nothing can pierce the bubble they live in.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
Don't make the mistake of assuming that all that felt that Trump was a barely sentient circus peanut voted for Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 17, 2021, 02:40:45 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.

Greetings!

They don't care, my friend. They have been brainwashed by Marxism. They hate America, and they rejoice at America's destruction. They gleefully enjoy America being transformed into a Marxist, nanny-state "Utopia".

They are all like filthy, diseased rats.

I've seen countless videos of these fucking morons. Giggling, shrieking, sobbing, they are only capable of repeating Leftist talking points handed to them from Liberal, cock-sucking media. Whenever someone attempts to actually hold a reasonable, adult conversation with them on a particular topic--the vast majority of them merely reveal an abyss of absolute ignorance and twisted, corrupted interpretations of anything, whether it is economics, politics, history, religion, social policy, foreign policy, or whatever.

They are like evil pod-people, infected with a disease of the mind and spirit. Dogs have greater moral values and a better grasp of common sense than Liberal Marxists. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 17, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

Greetings!

Damn straight it is entirely intentional, my friend!

Fucking disgusting. Our country is so fucked with these scum in charge.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 03:23:27 PM
I've heard it argued (IMO reasonably convincingly) that part of the reason we had extreme, unprecedented, and medically-unnecessary lockdowns last year was to reduce monetary velocity through the economy.

Remember that ~40% of all dollars that exist were created last year with unprecedented money printing. The idea behind this was to keep inflation low (and also, presumably, allow those with early access to those newly minted dollars to buy up more real wealth for lower prices). Hard to say whether the issue we're seeing with ports was part of the plan, but it doesn't really matter to the people at the top since the 0.01% already made trillions of dollars and acquired unprecedented amounts of real tangible wealth.

Only little people have to worry about the price of food going up 50% or basic goods not making it to shelves.
And just remember:

Every one of the people here who sobbed about 'orange man bad'? How Trump was 'destroying our democracy'?

You voted for this.

Have at least the courage to own that natural 1 you rolled.
It's kind of ironic blaming orange man bad sentiment for the unprecedented monetary inflation last year.

You know, when Trump was president.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 17, 2021, 04:02:23 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 04:05:20 PM
That's why the US has a presidential line of succession. That way 18 out of 19 can go maternity/paternity leave at the same time, and there will still be a president!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 17, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!


Don't make the mistake of assuming that all that felt that Trump was a barely sentient circus peanut voted for Biden.

That feeling you get when you realise the barely sentient circus peanut was the good choice.

Priceless
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on October 17, 2021, 04:33:30 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
You should know by now that Happyderp never argues in good faith.  Just make fun of him and move on...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 17, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

Why is it the Biden team is always "on leave" when the shit hits the fan?

Correlation is not causation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:40:18 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
You should know by now that Happyderp never argues in good faith.  Just make fun of him and move on...
Keep trying, little bitch. You're the fool here.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 04:41:49 PM
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

Why is it the Biden team is always "on leave" when the shit hits the fan?

Correlation is not causation.
I can't answer foe that in a general sense, just in the specific case of Butters and his paternity leave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on October 17, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 05:50:54 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 06:28:13 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 17, 2021, 07:05:24 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
I'm no fan of Biden, but there's quite a difference between what someone has said and what you think someone might say.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 17, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
"Paternity leave, they call it, trying to learn how to breastfeed. No word on how that went."
What is "Things Tucker Calson the human turd has said" ... oh, we're not playing Jeopardy?
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.
I'm no fan of Biden, but there's quite a difference between what someone has said and what you think someone might say.
I'd think Biden's long record of opposing gay marriage would be a bigger issue to a gay man than a joke about paternity leave, but I guess they bribed him real good.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 17, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on October 18, 2021, 04:52:53 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 18, 2021, 05:17:02 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.
Why the fuck would I do that? I'm no fan of Pelosi.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 18, 2021, 05:51:49 AM
And 221K is a pittance compared to the legal/not legal access/information/nepotism/retirement jobs that turns everyone in senior government positions into multi deca millionaires.

I thought the real secret was to put your money in the Nancy Pelosi Retirement fund.

I hear the returns are spectacular!

Returns, Last 10 Years%
Nancy Pelosi+2,420,029%
Bitcoin $BTC+1,407,307%
Tesla $TSLA+14,422%
NVIDIA $NVDA+5,782%
Netflix $NFLX+3,653%
Domino's $DPZ+1,918%
Amazon $AMZN+1,291%
Microsoft $MSFT+1,254%
Apple $AAPL+1,024%
S&P 500 $SPY+338%
Gold $GLD+3%

I am suprised to see Happydaze has not come in white knight Nancies right to earn +2,420,029% on her investments fair and square.


Well not suprised, more disappointed really.

Greetings!

The White Knight for Pelosi! *Laughing* ;D

Hilarious, Shasarak!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 19, 2021, 07:34:24 AM
It sounds like something Sleepy Joe would say, as well.

Creepy Joe, the senile paedophile.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KingCheops on October 19, 2021, 11:06:35 AM
They're shipping kids from the border to New York -- I guess Bill needed some pick-me-ups after his infection.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on October 24, 2021, 03:37:11 PM
For those of you who might be seeing empty shelves in stores, a worthwhile thread (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1451543776992845834.html) discussing the failure at LA ports.

Telling that this is one guy doing this on his own, and not an agent of this current regime.



Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on October 25, 2021, 02:55:50 PM
And while America is literally coming apart from all the stressors applied, our Top. Men. (tm) are on the case with... a national gender strategy.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/22/fact-sheet-national-strategy-on-gender-equity-and-equality/

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on October 27, 2021, 02:34:48 AM
Meanwhile, big corp prepares the setting for “hyper inflation”. The worst in 30+ years. Oh, and the “whole world” will be affected, look at that. If only the truckers would drive at night! Come on man, let’s get those containers rolling.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 28, 2021, 02:42:11 AM
"Let's Go Brandon" is the #1 song on iTunes.

And the #2 song.

And the #3 song.

Two different songs, one with an extended version, bumped Adela out of the #1 spot. And there's a fourth "Let's Go Brandon" in the top 10.

Of course, YouTube and Instagram have banned one of the songs for "medical misinformation".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on October 29, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
"Let's Go Brandon" is the #1 song on iTunes.

And the #2 song.

And the #3 song.

Two different songs, one with an extended version, bumped Adela out of the #1 spot. And there's a fourth "Let's Go Brandon" in the top 10.

Of course, YouTube and Instagram have banned one of the songs for "medical misinformation".

Most popular President EVAR!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 29, 2021, 10:27:49 AM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

 LOL.  You still miss the point.   Get riled up fat boy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Banjo Destructo on October 29, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

How else are you supposed to "build back better" unless you destroy things first in order to build back?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on October 29, 2021, 11:27:48 AM
The usurper regime has no failed policies. There have been no mistakes. Everything that's happening is happening on purpose. This isn't incompetence. It's a deliberate step by step plan to destroy this nation.

OK, but what do they personally get out of it? Presumably they have to live there after the collapse?

How else are you supposed to "build back better" unless you destroy things first in order to build back?
If we do not do Ditlána, we are no better than beasts!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on October 29, 2021, 03:32:27 PM
I feel like if you're the head of an agency during a national crisis you need to be all hands on deck.

I also think people giving him grief for taking paternity leave are being unfair. Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

  ....Well, the line I always get is how much sacrifice is involved in public service.  He was not recovering from giving birth.  He has a partner who was not recovering either, so...it makes sense the partner could do the day to day and this guy could I dont know...maybe address the crisis?   I am completely missing the sacrifice and what I see is a dude not doing a job he is probably being paid well for (looked it up...221k a year, and this fucker has missed 2 months of that year, though i am sure he will be paid in full). 

   This is so very much a "let them eat cake" look that it is beyond the point of smoothing it over from an optics point of view.
You really have a problem with maternity/paternity leave?

  Yes.  When one parent is 100 percent available time wise and the other is in charge of a department facing a national crisis...damn right I am.   

  I have had 2 kids.  My wife took leave to recover and see to the infant needs the first couple months, while I went back to work the next day.  I see NO REASON why a dude with such a heavy NATIONAL responsibility could not do the exact same thing.
What responsibilities? I'm sure the transportation department is organized so it can keep on running without anyone at the top, so the only real job a transportation secretary has is to serve as the face, and maybe to slightly the lead given by Congress and the President.

  Well, that motherfucker is collecting 221k a year in salary.   So If its as you say, and a nothing job, he can get nothing pay, and take all the paternity leave he wants.
The job has benefits in addition to a salary. Maternity/paternity leave is one of those benefits. Are you suggesting he shouldn't have that benefit because he's male?
  I am suggesting NO ONE with a cabinet position, which means a job that often lasts 2 years, and usually max 4 years, should have that benefit, at that salary.    Now as I said, if he would like to sacrifice in public service and do that job for free, he can have all the paternity leave he wants.

  edited to add: but I do feel if you DID NOT recover physically from child birth I do not understand the missing work for 2 months with pay when you have an able body at home to take care of the kid.   Now if the boss says it is a perk of the job...well the thing is, this is a job paid by tax payers, not the noble lords and ladies of DC.  I think if you are going to serve the tax payers, your ass better function in some way similar to what most tax payers do regarding your work/life.  Not like a lord or lady.
Physical recovery isn't the primary purpose of the leave at all. The primary point is bonding with the new addition to the family. Sorry if you don't like the idea that such benefits exist for all federal positions. Having a job that provides such leave is hardly living "like a lord or lady."

   You know damn well what I am talking about.  I am talking about that guy, in that position, during a crisis, being AWOL from his job.   If not, sorry you are a simpering shithead who can not see or understand the obvious.
He's not AWOL you dumb fuck. He clearly has approved leave. Are you such a shithead that you can't understand the obvious?

 LOL.  You still miss the point.   Get riled up fat boy.
So what is your point? Do you just object to this one particular person taking approved leave, or is it something more?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 03, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 03, 2021, 12:34:39 PM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

Greetings!

Yep! Exactly, Ghostmaker!!

Youngkin's victory in Virginia as Governor is refreshing, and hopeful. Every victory against the fucking Liberals is sweet. Hopefully, New Jersey will fall our way as well.

The fucking scum Democrats race-grifting, racism, hatred, condescension, hypocrisy, geesus, the terrible traits that they embody as an ideology and a political party, it is so sad that they have as much support as they do.

But see? If you don't embrace the Liberal ideology, the cock-sucking Marxism, then they don't think you are a woman, or black, or latino, or whatever. Women that reject Feminism=Subverted or Brainwashed by the Patriarchy; Blacks that reject Racism and CRT=Soldiers of "White Supremacy"; and on and on.

Condi Rice was blasted as a race traitor, not really black, and a "Soldier of White Supremacy" by Liberal Marxist black commentators around the country for her public rejection and criticism of CRT. Larry Elder, when recently running to be elected Governor in California, was persecuted around the country, but most famously  attacked by the LA TIMES, which said that Larry Elder was the "Black Face of White Supremacy" in a front page article. How many people have vilified Candace Owens?

I rejoice at every victory against the Liberals. Grind them! Crush them! Every victory, whether it is in the schoolhouse or the statehouse, is savoured!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on November 04, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

The troubling thing is that the AP "declared" Gov Jerkoff the winner when Ciatarelli was ahead in the count.  So - AP gets carried by a bunch of other news groups, so it spreads like a virus.  Meanwhile, it emboldens poll workers to stop counting ballots.

We have disturbing info that Bergen Co. had ~216k ballots with 52% going to Jack and after the announcement they magically change the count to ~290k with Jerkoff having the majority.

We also have PV video showing Essex Co. poll workers letting non-citizens access to the ballots and polls.

If I were Ciatarelli, I'd not concede, demand recounts, and break out the lawyers.  I'm waiting to see how many of those ballots cast for Jerkoff were from seniors in nursing homes that he killed last year when he sent covid infected into them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on November 04, 2021, 09:54:36 AM
Well, that was an interesting night. Looks like McAuliffe will be free to audition for the role of Dracula (seriously, there is something wrong with that guy), 'cause he ain't taking Blackface Northam's seat as VA Governor.

And I don't even know if Murphy has won in NJ yet. The race is damned close, and even if Murphy wins it's not much of a 'mandate' when it's that tight.

Very amusing to watch Dems scream about how the Republicans hate blacks after Winsome Sears (a black woman, running as a Republican) was elected Lt. Gov. in VA. Oops.

But hey, Biden and the Dems are CLEARLY more popular, right? LOL.

The troubling thing is that the AP "declared" Gov Jerkoff the winner when Ciatarelli was ahead in the count.  So - AP gets carried by a bunch of other news groups, so it spreads like a virus.  Meanwhile, it emboldens poll workers to stop counting ballots.

We have disturbing info that Bergen Co. had ~216k ballots with 52% going to Jack and after the announcement they magically change the count to ~290k with Jerkoff having the majority.

We also have PV video showing Essex Co. poll workers letting non-citizens access to the ballots and polls.

If I were Ciatarelli, I'd not concede, demand recounts, and break out the lawyers.  I'm waiting to see how many of those ballots cast for Jerkoff were from seniors in nursing homes that he killed last year when he sent covid infected into them.
Supposedly, there's a legal team enroute to NJ now intent on challenging it.

Don't call it a grave, Democrats. It's the future you chose.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on November 04, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
And because the Democrats are incapable of introspection they are taking their loss as meaning they need to push even harder... They've finally announced the OSHA rules that include massive fines and a demand that all un-vaxxed who opt for weekly testing must be masked at all times of face $14k fines. They have also signaled intent that these mandates will be extended to ALL businesses.

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of “Men who wanted to be left Alone”.

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the “Men who wanted to be left Alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be.

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left Alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Enemy’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.“
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: rgalex on November 04, 2021, 12:16:23 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 04, 2021, 12:50:02 PM
And because the Democrats are incapable of introspection they are taking their loss as meaning they need to push even harder... They've finally announced the OSHA rules that include massive fines and a demand that all un-vaxxed who opt for weekly testing must be masked at all times of face $14k fines. They have also signaled intent that these mandates will be extended to ALL businesses.

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of “Men who wanted to be left Alone”.

They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love.

They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it.

They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the “Men who wanted to be left Alone” are forced to fight back, it is a small form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be.

Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these “Men who wanted to be left Alone”, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at the Enemy’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy . . . . but it will fall upon deaf ears.“


Greetings!

Yeah, my friend. Absolutely right. The Democrats are going to continue pushing, pushing, pushing their fucking tyranny, control, and punishment, and eventually people will likely just snap and start killing them. Democrats blasted, and wiped the fuck out, whoever they are wherever they are. Judges, politicians, cops, none of that will matter. Either one side or the other. Those on the side of Tyranny will be wiped out, and no one will give a fuck about the niceties of the past. That chapter will be closed and done with. Guns, fire, and death have a whole different way of establishing--and enforcing reality and truth.

So sad. But fuck the tyrants. They want this, so they think they can keep pushing tyranny, and people will kneel, instead of fighting back or becoming violent. Well, they may just be opening the door to an abyss of terror that they aren't likely to survive to contemplate. So, they get it. They get what is right and proper coming to them, in full measure. I have no sympathy for these fucking animals that love tyranny and control.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on November 04, 2021, 02:40:50 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.

"Free..."

Pfizer isn't making it out of the kindness of their hearts.  We are *all* paying for it in our taxes.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on November 04, 2021, 02:46:18 PM
Also, according to the OSHA rules, since the vaccine is free businesses are under no obligation to pay for the weekly testing for anyone opting for that route.

"Free..."

Pfizer isn't making it out of the kindness of their hearts.  We are *all* paying for it in our taxes.
The government isn't imposing mandates out of the kindness of their hearts, either. We're paying for their power grab via overt taxes, as well as the hidden ones like inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on November 19, 2021, 11:49:37 AM
Greetings!

Salty Cracker laughs at the stupidity, corruption, and moral degeneracy of the Liberals!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on November 19, 2021, 12:22:10 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on November 19, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on November 19, 2021, 03:27:27 PM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say I hope the procedure goes smoothly and without complication.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on November 20, 2021, 11:27:46 AM
So, Biden is going under for a colonoscopy today, rendering Harris "acting President" until he comes out of surgery.

Assuming that he does.
If he doesn't, she'll beat his record for President with lowest approval rating in recent history, and pick the VP of her* choice, with Pelosi taking that role until she* does.



(*If you believe that she won't just pick whomever she's told to pick by whomever was writing Joe's cue cards.)


AAAAAAaaaaaanyway.......odds on him making it through?
Colonoscopy isn't surgery and it is commonly performed at a level of moderate sedation. At that level, respiratory complications are extremely unlikely to occur. His odds of survival are extremely high, and we can expect him to quickly return to his baseline (but, unfortunately,  that's not too impressive).

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say I hope the procedure goes smoothly and without complication.
The results of the procedure are in… Biden is full of shit.  ;)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Godfather Punk on November 20, 2021, 12:36:56 PM
Then they didn't prep him right...  :o

See also : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvrzUngEQRw
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 09, 2021, 01:46:13 PM
Peace in our time, baby: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-russia-ukraine-europe-vladimir-putin-8193787ec21ca2aded4a37fa325f07b5

Tell me more about how Trump was the Russian stooge, you worthless cucks. Tell me about how Biden would 'get tough' with Putin.

Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Remember: if you voted for Biden, you voted for this.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on December 09, 2021, 02:35:40 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DM_Curt on December 09, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.
He lost the war to prevent desegregation of schools decades ago, Man. Now Corn Pop's gonna take little Suzie to the prom.

Or, are you talking the war against soiled drawers?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on December 09, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
Or, are you talking the war against soiled drawers?

That was more of a skirmish
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on December 09, 2021, 07:45:09 PM
Because Biden just straight up told Ukraine to lie back and think of Mother Russia.

Biden can not afford to lose two wars.

Come on, man.

Come on, man! Corn Pop was a bad dude…


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on December 11, 2021, 10:46:26 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/wsj-poll-biden-leadership-economy-midterms-11638888384

Interesting poll on Biden. Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%). When asked to choose a political party, the results were highly partisan (41% blue/44% red, but a massive 32%/34% are "definitely"). Strong sense that the country's off track (27%/63%). Voters favor red when it comes to the economy and immigration, but blue when it comes to the pandemic, education, and healthcare. Neither party is particularly popular, including their presumptive leaders (Biden/Trump).

I'm calling 2024: Giant meteor for the win!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on December 29, 2021, 07:27:20 AM
Creepy Joe's year in review:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHt8SaVX0Aku3PZ?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on December 29, 2021, 08:00:35 AM
Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%).

Sure those numbers will be more favorable when 2022’s checks are distributed. No worries, we’ll only be at 25% inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2022, 06:23:31 PM
Overall approval level is weak (41%/57%), but especially bad when it comes to those with strong opinions (19%/46%), and undecided voters (29%/63%).

Sure those numbers will be more favorable when 2022’s checks are distributed. No worries, we’ll only be at 25% inflation.
Assuming there's anything left to buy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-10394501/Some-grocery-stores-open-shelves-supply-chain-crisis-COVID-converge.html

Yes, it's Daily Mail.

But those pictures of bare shelves should make anyone's eyebrows rise.

No more mean tweets tho, amirite?

#bareshelvesbiden
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on January 16, 2022, 03:58:49 PM
  I have no doubt Jimmy  Carter LOVES this guy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 20, 2022, 03:25:26 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms. Without the ability to 'manage' elections at the federal level (snort), they will probably face losses. How bad? Hard to say, but I have heard 28 Dem members of the House are not seeking reelection. They're punching out. I think they see what's coming and it's not gonna be pretty.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on January 20, 2022, 04:16:43 PM

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms.
If they won on the filibuster, it would be even worse. Forcing though rules that benefit the majority is not the best move when you're just about to lose your majority.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: moonsweeper on January 20, 2022, 04:32:16 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

Then the Democrats got their noses slapped hard in the Senate. No change to the filibuster. Sinema and Manchin voted no. There will be no VRA. It is dead.

And this bodes very ill for the Dems going into midterms. Without the ability to 'manage' elections at the federal level (snort), they will probably face losses. How bad? Hard to say, but I have heard 28 Dem members of the House are not seeking reelection. They're punching out. I think they see what's coming and it's not gonna be pretty.

It is similar to the 2018 midterms with record R retirement...as long as you don't control both houses and the Pres, you can BS people into believing you can't get stuff done.  Once you are in control, the voters start asking why you aren't passing what you said you were going to. (ex: Republicans and ACA)

Right now the establishment is drooling at the prospect of brushing a bunch of the domestic bad news under the media rug if they can just get Ukraine lit off soon enough.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 20, 2022, 05:16:14 PM
So yesterday was the Biden regime's no good, horrible, very bad day.

The Biden press conference would have been a hilarious farce, had it not been due to the fact that certain people think this artichoke is in charge of anything. Seriously, go find it on Youtube (assuming the media organs haven't scrubbed it) and watch.

I'm waiting for a commentary. I don't think I can stomach Biden making more of a fool of himself without something to go with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 01:09:08 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 02:24:59 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Greetings!

Good news article, my friend!

America has no business getting involved in Ukraine.

America formerly made promises to Russia that we would not expand NATO into the formerly Warsaw-Pact nations of Eastern Europe.

Vladimir Putin, just like Pepperidge Farms, remembers.

Our economy is shit. Our military is very weakened from being pumped full of SJW's.

In a fight, Russia won't be sending "Amy with two mommies that marched at a gay pride event in high school"

The Russians will be sending Ivan, from their Army Recruitment commercial.

Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 03:21:46 PM
Jesus Christ. https://fbnglobalnews.com/news/russia-wants-nato-forces-out-of-ex-soviet-states-lavrov-says/

Russia is demanding the removal of all NATO forces from the former Eastern Bloc nations. Yes, including Romania and Bulgaria. Essentially, a return to 1997 -- and a ceding of those countries to Putin.

I can't say I'm shocked. You've got Blinken the retard as SecState and it's clear he's out of his depth (he wanted the Taliban to form a diverse government. Really), and Sleepy Joe babbling on for two hours the other day and essentially giving Russia the green light. But still: holy shit.

So was it worth it, Nevertrumpers? Was this worth restoring your precious norms and getting rid of mean tweets?

Greetings!

Good news article, my friend!

America has no business getting involved in Ukraine.

America formerly made promises to Russia that we would not expand NATO into the formerly Warsaw-Pact nations of Eastern Europe.

Vladimir Putin, just like Pepperidge Farms, remembers.

Our economy is shit. Our military is very weakened from being pumped full of SJW's.

In a fight, Russia won't be sending "Amy with two mommies that marched at a gay pride event in high school"

The Russians will be sending Ivan, from their Army Recruitment commercial.

Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I agree, but here's the problem I have.

This is becoming a regular pattern. We make commitments -- stupid ones, I agree -- and then we unilaterally weasel out of them.

In other words, Chinese diplomacy. Well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised given how much influence the CCP seems to have these days.

I admit it's darkly hilarious to contemplate our current regime throwing troops at Ivan. Russia may not have been tested in any kind of major conflict, but I'm pretty fucking sure they're not recruiting based on 'muh diversity'. And I'll wager they're not purging their ranks of actual patriots like our current commanders seem hell bent on doing.

Part of me wants something to kick off. Nukes? Don't be ridiculous. The Russians won't need nukes. They'll wipe out the 41st Caring And Diversity Battalion without so much as screwing up the paint on their vehicles. And the regime will cry and talk about how TERRIBLE it is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 21, 2022, 05:08:11 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 21, 2022, 05:16:07 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
What're they gonna do? Write harshly worded letters?

Let's be honest: between Mark 'White Rage!' Milley and the Afghanistan debacle, military morale is probably in the shitter. That doesn't even get into the imbecilic drive to purge any 'white supremacists' (read: anyone with non-leftist politics) in the ranks.

The left has been playing with the military as their social-engineering toy for a while, and it fucking shows what with massive deficits in training and equipment, particularly in maintenance.

I don't doubt that the Beltway would want to defend the Ukraine, if only to protect their precious rice bowls. But I doubt they can muster more than a token effort.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 21, 2022, 05:56:30 PM
The Biden family did not get paid the big bucks from Ukraine to just roll over and let Putin steal it from them.
What're they gonna do? Write harshly worded letters?

Let's be honest: between Mark 'White Rage!' Milley and the Afghanistan debacle, military morale is probably in the shitter. That doesn't even get into the imbecilic drive to purge any 'white supremacists' (read: anyone with non-leftist politics) in the ranks.

The left has been playing with the military as their social-engineering toy for a while, and it fucking shows what with massive deficits in training and equipment, particularly in maintenance.

I don't doubt that the Beltway would want to defend the Ukraine, if only to protect their precious rice bowls. But I doubt they can muster more than a token effort.

Please, the Military Industrial Complex is not going to waste this opportunity.

And who better to lead the bayonet charge then Silly Milley.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 06:50:33 PM
Beyond that, Russia isn't Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, or Syria, or some other weak nation. They have all the toys! And, Russia has been training hard-core. Anyone that wants to provoke Russia into a war is fucking insane. Respect the treaties, respect their country, respect THEIR national security interests.

Peace can be maintained, but it requires America to acknowledge Russia as a partner, as an equal, and stop playing BS games and vilifying Russia like a bunch of third-graders.

Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

Greetings!

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

Contrary to US politicians bravado--it's all empty hot air, or like a tranny making a wet fart on the couch.

In recent years, US and NATO Generals have conducted exercises, studies, and wargames, projecting war against Russia.

NATO and the US get their asses blown out everytime by the Russians. So, who the fuck are we kidding? Unless you can unload 20 heavy Tank Divisions and 20 Infantry Divisions, backed up by 5,000 combat aircraft ready to go, it's all just a pathetic little game of a little dog yapping, thinking it can run with the Big Dogs. America is not in BIG DOG SHAPE, and neither is NATO.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

By my view of history, this cynicism is exactly what has gotten us into the most trouble. In WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War, we had a clear moral mandate - and those were also the modern wars that ended the best for us.

The modern wars that have ended badly are the ones where we ignored morality, and we discovered that simply militarily invading a country does not make it ours. The Philippines, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all turned into quagmires while by contrast, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Kuwait have all turned out fine and remain U.S. allies.

Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 21, 2022, 08:47:42 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

I agree. But if Russia takes a big, wet bite out of the Ukraine, what do we do? Make the "Shame" finger sign at the Russians and hope they stop there?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 10:10:27 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

I agree. But if Russia takes a big, wet bite out of the Ukraine, what do we do? Make the "Shame" finger sign at the Russians and hope they stop there?

I'd think the most direct historical precedent would be when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Today, that is generally considered an even bigger disaster for the Russians than Vietnam was for the Americans. I think we should look at what we did then, and learn from what worked and what didn't. There was immediate condemnation of the invasion via the U.N., and the U.S. and allies funded a lot of mujahideen and support via Pakistan. We mobilized a lot of worldwide support, and the ongoing conflict was disastrous for the Russians.

As for mistakes - obviously, in retrospect training and funding Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight the Russians was a bad idea -- so while I think we should fund Ukrainian resistance, we should be very selective about who we are arming. Ukraine is a different case, but I think there would still be a major resistance element - like the French resistance in WWII.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 21, 2022, 10:46:48 PM
Surely if we just let Putin invade the Ukraine, then he'll be appeased, and then peace will be maintained and he won't try anything more. That's how history works, right?

After all, our past leaders like JFK and Reagan have emphasized the importance of respecting Russia and treating them as a partner, rather than provoking them.

Seriously -

Pushing around weak countries like Syria and then kowtowing to China and/or Russia because they're strong is bullying and foolish. It promotes constant war and posturing. I've been opposed to most of our Middle East and other interventions, but I supported the Korean War and the Kuwait War because we cannot let "might makes right" be the rule of the world. Outright military invasion needs to be opposed by all countries of the world, and we should respect countries regardless of whether they are strong or weak. Who is our partner should be based on moral principles, not how strong they are.

That's all nice in theory, Jhkim, but the reality is that no one gives a fuck about morality. The rule of the day in the international sandbox is of course "Might Makes Right", just like it always has been. It has never been otherwise.

America operates by the same calculus, except we wear a furry glove and carry a cupcake. Underneath the soft, furry glove, however, has been a fist of steel. That fist of steel is everything in modern war, from Marines and Fleets, to airstrikes, cruise missiles, and full-scale war. It also includes "Colour Revolutions" and "Regime Changes". Sprinkle in economic sanctions, economic bribery with gold, technology, and weapons, as well as coups, assassinations, kidnappings, and the occasional group of death squads unleashed against political opponents in foreign countries, and the toy box is full and ready to go!

So, looking at reality, Ukraine belongs to Russia. Certainly moreso to Russia than to *us*. Ukraine is part of Russia's strategic national interests. Just like we would get hot if China allied with Mexico and started putting Chinese weapons and troops in Mexico. Well, Russia feels the same about Ukraine. You either accept that, or we are fucked. Russia is never going to tolerate us putting troops there. There is no negotiating. It's Russia's sphere of interest, and we need to shut the fuck up and mind our own business.

Disregarding these realities is likely to end very badly for us.

By my view of history, this cynicism is exactly what has gotten us into the most trouble. In WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War, we had a clear moral mandate - and those were also the modern wars that ended the best for us.

The modern wars that have ended badly are the ones where we ignored morality, and we discovered that simply militarily invading a country does not make it ours. The Philippines, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all turned into quagmires while by contrast, Germany, Japan, South Korea, and Kuwait have all turned out fine and remain U.S. allies.

Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

Greetings!

Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?

Since when?

Look at a map of8th Century Russia. 10th Century. 12th Century. and on and fucking on for 1500 hundred years. The Ukraine region has always been part of Russia.

Beyond some recent political shuffling, whatever kind of relationship politically between Russia and Ukraine is between them. Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

Ultimately, because it is Russia's front yard, we had better care about what THEY think, because they have 300 divisions that can make us care.

In any kind of conflict in Ukraine, Russia holds all of the advantages. It isn't anything at all like Afghanistan. Uraine has roads and highways and infrastructure. You know that lots of Russians have relatives living in Ukraine, right? Everyone speaks Russian and Ukrainian. Russia *built* everything in Ukraine. They have all the maps. The Russians know everything about Ukraine.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 21, 2022, 11:34:08 PM
Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

So, in your mind, Ireland just lays down and does whatever Britain wants?!? That is quite different from my reading of history. As I see it, Ireland was a huge thorn in the side of Britain for ages, despite their shared history and proximity.

I also don't see Latin America as particularly obedient to the U.S. We can embargo the most extreme cases (Cuba and Venezuela, currently) -- but much of Latin America is at least moderately socialist and lukewarm at best in U.S. relations.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on January 22, 2022, 12:35:50 AM
Ukraine is still part of national security for Russia though, just like many small countries are to larger countries. Mexico, most of South America, doesn't do whatever the fuck they want--or face immediate takeover by the United States. Same thing with Ireland and Scotland, in regards to Britain. That's just geopolitical reality, and no crying about national sovereignty is ever going to change any of it.

So, in your mind, Ireland just lays down and does whatever Britain wants?!? That is quite different from my reading of history. As I see it, Ireland was a huge thorn in the side of Britain for ages, despite their shared history and proximity.

I also don't see Latin America as particularly obedient to the U.S. We can embargo the most extreme cases (Cuba and Venezuela, currently) -- but much of Latin America is at least moderately socialist and lukewarm at best in U.S. relations.

Greetings!

*Sigh* NO, Jhkim. Are you really this obtuse about geopolitics? *Internally* Ireland, Mexico, et. al. do whatever they want. *Externally* however, is an entirely different proposition. The Monroe Doctrine makes this reality crystal clear, and everyone in South America knows this. If they were to start flirting with foreign powers and hosting bases and troops--they would be overthrown in a blink. Same kind of thing goes for Ireland and Scotland. It's about basic survival and security of a nation, Jhkim. That trumps any kind of absolute sovereignty of a smaller, but critically located country. This is basic stuff you learn about in Balance of Powers, Great Nations Theory, and International Relations. Countries have been operating under these understandings and conditions for centuries. It's a political reality that is inviolable, unless you want a hot war really fast, and to see just what larger powers--even democracies!--are capable of doing when their real vital interests are threatened. Exactly, on these issues, there simply is no negotiation. It's a Fait Accompli.

So, when understanding geography and geopolitics, and the true power possessed by Great Powers, yeah, Ukraine is a vital national security interest of Russia. We would be wise to respect Russia, and let Russia and Ukraine handle their own relationship.

The ink isn't even dry on the paperwork getting us out of Afghanistan, and these political clowns here in America can't wait to get us into a shooting war with the RUSSIANS. Absolute stupidity. America is in no condition to be fighting a war anywhere. Our military is pumped full of SJW shit, and is a shambles. Equipment, training, efficiency--all have suffered huge scandals in recent years. AND--US and NATO studies have shown we would lose BIG against Russia in any conflict. Our economy is shit, too. Fuck, we can't even unfuck the "Supply Chain Crisis" properly.

We need to mind our own fucking business.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on January 22, 2022, 01:11:57 AM
Ukraine doesn't belong to the U.S. and it also doesn't belong to Russia. It belongs to the Ukrainians.

Everyone knows that there is one monolithic Ukrainian people that speak and move with one purpose.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 22, 2022, 08:51:33 AM
You know WHY, of course, there's so much interest in Ukraine here.

And it's got nothing to do with national security, or any kind of treaty for that matter.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Arkansan on January 22, 2022, 01:06:32 PM
Just my personal opinion, but I think we've had enough pointless cluster fucks in the past 50 years. I'm sympathetic to the plight of Ukrainians caught up in this mess but I'd rather the US stay right the hell out of it. Growing up in a military town I saw a few people I knew come home in body bags in the "War on Terror" and a few more suffer life altering injuries. I'd rather not run the risk of seeing anymore get shipped home in pieces from being on the other end of Russian artillery.

Ukraine and the other old Warsaw pact states are Russia's proverbial back yard. They aren't going to let go of this issue and we've run NATO right up their asses in the past three decades. Yes they want their old sphere of influence back but security is also a concern, hell we'd react pretty strongly as well if they were talking about making Mexico a member of the CTSO and stationing alliance forces there.

I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on January 22, 2022, 01:56:47 PM
Ukraine and the other old Warsaw pact states are Russia's proverbial back yard. They aren't going to let go of this issue and we've run NATO right up their asses in the past three decades. Yes they want their old sphere of influence back but security is also a concern, hell we'd react pretty strongly as well if they were talking about making Mexico a member of the CTSO and stationing alliance forces there.

This isn't theoretical. Russia had a close alliance with Cuba, which is right on our doorstep. Our dividing line there was that we wouldn't let Russia put nuclear missiles in Cuba -- but we didn't all-out invade Cuba just because they allied with Russia. Ukraine remains committed to being non-nuclear, though - it is one of four countries that voluntarily gave up nuclear armament. The U.S. tried all sorts of ways to undermine Cuba, including the Bay of Pigs - but we stopped short of invasion by the U.S. military or threat thereof.

I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I consider myself largely isolationist. I opposed the vast majority of our modern wars - in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, and others. However, I supported WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War -- because we should not allow outright invasion to be how the world works.

Appeasement is bad policy, and will cost us in the long run. Once Russia sees that it can invade with impunity, and the U.S. and others don't do anything about it, then they're motivated to try again, because it's clear that flexing their military gets them what they want.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on January 22, 2022, 03:27:28 PM
I consider myself largely isolationist. I opposed the vast majority of our modern wars - in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, and others. However, I supported WWII, the Korean War, and the Kuwait War -- because we should not allow outright invasion to be how the world works.
You know what's a much worse problem? Foreign aid for "humanitarian" reasons. Which never goes to help the people who need it, but does prop up the nightmarish dictatorships that caused the problem in the first place.

I'm a big fan of more invasions and less status quo, because the status quo has at least as horrific a track record, but the sense of outrage is missing, so we end up with decades of horrors.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on January 22, 2022, 07:00:47 PM
If you have Amazon Prime, I'd strongly recommend giving "Why We Fight" a watch.  Pretty well lays out exactly why this is about something other than Ukrainian sovereignty.

On a related note, Germany's Chief of Navy was fired for stating that friendly relations with Russia are needed because they are a nation with similar Christian values who are a buffer to China.

Biden's disastrous speech just week pretty much greenlit Russia invading Ukraine.

Evergreen Intel has been reporting significant troop movements.

War is coming because none of the shitbags who got us into COVID as a means of getting Trump out of office have any idea how else to get us out of it other than by focusing national interests into a new singular event.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on January 22, 2022, 07:33:00 PM
Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?
It belongs to Lithuania!  Free Lithuania!
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Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 22, 2022, 08:16:06 PM
I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I am too, but I recognize that doing nothing can be just as bad as doing something.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wrath of God on February 07, 2022, 04:46:05 PM
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Greetings!

Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia?

Since when?

Look at a map of8th Century Russia. 10th Century. 12th Century. and on and fucking on for 1500 hundred years. The Ukraine region has always been part of Russia.

Only... not really. Because Russia =/= Novogrod/Kiev Rus of Saint Vladimir. Sure both Ukrainians and Muscovians... and Belarusians are descendants of Early Medieval Rus of Saint Vladimir, but considering how insane was inner politics from the very beggining, Russia has not better claim as inheritor to Grand Duchy of Kiev. At least not since death of last Rurikid Tsar Fedor.

And even before that regions of Halicz and Wołyń są called Galicia and Lodomeria was longer in one country with Poland and Lithuania than with Principality of Moscow/Tsardom of Russia.

Just like let's say one could say Germany and France could claim each other, or France could claim Netherlands because it was part of Charlemagne Franconian Empire :P

Now of course at this point Russia have all advantages about Ukraine, but that's another pair of shoes.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 07, 2022, 05:38:23 PM
I'm tired of the global hegemony games. Time to sit this shit out. Though in all fairness I'm largely an isolationist on military policy.

I am too, but I recognize that doing nothing can be just as bad as doing something.

   Well, given the track record that "doing something" has I think you could be right, but not as right as should be obvious.  Given the sorts of body counts I have seen from doing something, I am 100 percent for the USA sitting this one out.  Maybe reduce the military budget by 30 percent and put 100 percent of that into actual manufacturing infrastructure/training/incentives.  Decouple from some of these places that obviously hate us (China has made it clear at this point), and deal with people as they deal with us, fair if fair, and fucked off if they are shitbirds.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on February 09, 2022, 07:08:58 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 09, 2022, 07:14:24 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?

  Well, I guess if he fails to deliver them it would be failure.   I think it is good he found something for Hunter to do.   Though the whole thing does beg the question, who do you go to to get crack pipes on an industrial scale?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on February 09, 2022, 07:33:37 PM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?

  Well, I guess if he fails to deliver them it would be failure.   I think it is good he found something for Hunter to do.   Though the whole thing does beg the question, who do you go to to get crack pipes on an industrial scale?

If their plan was to reduce druggadicction it would be a failure, as I see it it's not a bug but a feature.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on February 10, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
75-page application...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on February 10, 2022, 08:33:06 AM
No one commenting on the Biden plan to give out free crack pipes?
According to the Ministry of Truth- er, sorry, "fact checkers", that report is "mostly false". Because the plan to give out free crack pipes is only one measure out of 20 in the proposal.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 09:22:01 AM
 Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 09:58:34 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 10:03:04 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 10:05:32 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on February 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Was it a comedian? They're held to much stricter standards by the public than politicians.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 10, 2022, 10:26:16 AM
  Strangely, this time it seemed like people were mad at the actual politicians this time. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on February 10, 2022, 10:34:08 AM
Hey I want people to be able to smoke their crack or shoot their heroin safely. But putting this as a "racial equity" thing though....coming from the guy who was rabid about locking people up for crack....who pushed mandatory sentencing for crack.....well, it seems like it could be taken a bit negatively.
We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

 I do not know if that is even the right word.  He was labeled racist for that stuff in the 90's, and I have a feeling a word might be used when he spends a bunch of money in a grant that is essentially "I want black people to smoke crack safely", it does seem that word could apply again.
But it won't. They won't even notice the incongruity.

We live in a post-hypocrisy world.

  I dunno, I watched some dude's video where he was going through twitter, and it sure seemed like a whole lot of black people were pretty pissed.
Be nice if that became more widespread, and started to crack open the mainstream news sources. Right now, it feels like we live in a doublethink bubble where consistency and principles only matter when you're attacking the other side.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 10, 2022, 11:37:41 AM
I dunno. Considering the damage crack wreaked in black neighborhoods, if some tidy-whitey liberal decided the best way to help would be to pass out free pipes, I might be more than a little hacked off.

The reaction is right down there with that shitty Showtime feature about how much whites in comedy suck. The YT comments were almost enough to make me an optimist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on March 08, 2022, 06:40:36 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.

The fact that his asshole cabinet members respond that people should buy electric vehicles is all the info anyone needs that every single one of them should be drug into the streets and given the Moammar Gadhaffi treatment (or the Musollini treatment, if you prefer).

It won't get any better with Republicans.  They are *all* pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 08, 2022, 07:12:14 PM
That is just a little bit like the old "let them eat cake" line.  I am pretty sure no one will ever pay for their screw ups though.  Just not the Murican way.  I guess we could hope that should these midwits push the whacko in Russia too far, he at least nukes DC and catches all of them unawares with their lobbyists/hookers/filming themselves talking tough/etc.    Chances are even that won't work as they will duck like rats into their holes to come out later and explain how patriot getting nuked is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 08, 2022, 11:22:29 PM
It seems the Saudis are not interested in talking to Biden. Much to my non-surprise.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Mistwell on March 08, 2022, 11:37:06 PM
There are so many, MANY things we can do to try and help Ukraine which isn't "The US directly killing Russian troops". I see a lot of "We shouldn't touch this" which appears to mean "We shouldn't kill Russian troops" when that doesn't appear to even be on the table at the moment. But, aiding Ukraine in their fight, that's on the table. And there are many ways to aid Ukraine which doesn't involve our own troops setting one foot on Ukrainian soil.

And yes, we have in fact had success aiding one side against another without sending out own troops there.

Russia and China have also had success aiding one side against another without sending their own troops.

There is a long history of doing this, and being successful at it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on March 08, 2022, 11:38:06 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 08, 2022, 11:58:56 PM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Gasoline prices are up?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 09, 2022, 08:12:00 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.

This happens every 20 years or so.  Young people, who believe in unicorns and are easily fooled, actually fall foe leftist fantasies about economics and vote in a Jimmy Carter/Joe Biden.  Then it takes the next fifteen years for the country to recover.  By that point, a new generation of morons and democrat voters (but I repeat myself) have reached voting age...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on March 09, 2022, 08:15:43 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Yep.  Energy costs do more to destroy standards of living than any other single economic factor, and standard of living has cost more human lives than anything less than a world war or communist genocide.  High energy prices are far more dangerous than another "pandemic" like COVID, because they destroy the health of everyone, not just the old and infirm...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on March 09, 2022, 08:21:46 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 09, 2022, 09:06:49 AM
There are so many, MANY things we can do to try and help Ukraine which isn't "The US directly killing Russian troops". I see a lot of "We shouldn't touch this" which appears to mean "We shouldn't kill Russian troops" when that doesn't appear to even be on the table at the moment. But, aiding Ukraine in their fight, that's on the table. And there are many ways to aid Ukraine which doesn't involve our own troops setting one foot on Ukrainian soil.

And yes, we have in fact had success aiding one side against another without sending out own troops there.

Russia and China have also had success aiding one side against another without sending their own troops.

There is a long history of doing this, and being successful at it.

  There is.  There is also a history of sanctioning or supplying the enemy of a strong enough nation and you get attacked.   I do not know that Russia would draw a line on super stiff sanctions (the way Japan did) or attack a supply run to said nation's enemy (like WW1 Germany did).   I know it is moving on out onto thin ice.  Supplying or aiding in proxy wars involving tiny weak nations is one thing.  But you start passing out the gear to attack the big bad guy, you need to expect retaliation of some sort.  That is just a historical reality. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2022, 09:09:51 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 09, 2022, 09:11:22 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

   And a parent.  He is a parent now.  Did you know he has a kid?  He is a proud pappa now.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on March 09, 2022, 09:56:00 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
So now it's gone from hanging people to eating people...

I can only take you as seriously as I would a South Park character.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KingCheops on March 09, 2022, 10:22:50 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?

Yep.  Energy costs do more to destroy standards of living than any other single economic factor, and standard of living has cost more human lives than anything less than a world war or communist genocide.  High energy prices are far more dangerous than another "pandemic" like COVID, because they destroy the health of everyone, not just the old and infirm...

Just a couple of weeks before Soleimani was assassinated (in Iraq where the UN had banned him from setting foot) his Iranian Guard opened fire on a crowd of protestors with live ammunition.  Those protestors were there because of a new tax on gasoline making fuel too expensive.

The original cause of the Yellow Vest movement in France was the imposition of a new carbon tax on fuel making it too expensive to gas up.

The Dutch had similar widespread protests prior to coof for the same reason.

Millions of Black Lives in Africa are about to be starved to death but somehow their lives don't matter as much as a piece of shit who died of excited delirium after injesting enough fentanyl to kill a horse.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 09, 2022, 10:24:28 AM
I hope everyone likes their super pricey gasoline.

Those of you who simped hard for Biden and cried about Trump's mean tweets?

I hope you're happy.

I also hope you end up dangling from a lamppost.

Fuck you.
You want people hanged because gasoline prices are up?
Its all the follow-on effects of increased cost of food, shelter and medical care and disrupted supply lines making those even worse such that lower income friends of mine are back to "do we put gas in the car to go to work or put food on the table for our kids?"

And all of it was entirely predictable and preventable and the elite's answer to people living on the edge is "they should just go by a $60,000 electric vehicle." Never mind that the cost of electricity will also be going through the roof since there aren't remotely enough 'renewables' online to handle all the electric vehicles needed so we'll need... wait for it... OIL to produce the electricity to charge the $60,000 vehicles most people on the edge can't possibly afford (but which the elite's portfolios just happen to be strongly invested in so they get money every time a starving family has to go into debt to be able to keep their job and have food on the table for their kids.

They may as well have said "Let them eat cake."

So, yes... Hang every one of the traitorous motherfuckers who knew this would be the outcome of taking this country from a net energy exporter to an importer from all sorts of totalitarian regimes knowing this would be the outcome, but doing it anyway because it added even more money to their already bloated bank accounts. Hang them and leave them to rot so that everyone can know what happens when you push people who just want to be left alone too far.

Head up for the Biden voters; when the food runs out, we're eating you first.
The blather of Stephen Colbert is bad enough, but for all his idiocy he's just an entertainer.

The idiot musings of Pete 'I can't believe it's not' Buttigieg really, really piss me off.

He just proved that his sole qualifications for his position were (a) he's gay, and (b) he likes trains.

Hoo fucking ray.

   And a parent.  He is a parent now.  Did you know he has a kid?  He is a proud pappa now.
I feel sorry for the kid. Not because he has two daddies, but because at least one of them is a soulless toad channeling Marie Antoinette.

'Just buy an electric car, bro!'.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 30, 2022, 02:46:44 PM
Oh hey, look at that. Suddenly the media is doing an about-face on Hunter Biden's laptop.

I am shocked, shocked. Well, not that shocked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on March 30, 2022, 04:34:13 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 30, 2022, 04:37:39 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on March 30, 2022, 05:04:52 PM
Layoffs in the horizon.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 30, 2022, 05:17:57 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 30, 2022, 06:23:53 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on March 30, 2022, 07:19:11 PM
That's a dead budget as none of those taxes will ever make it through the Senate and
Pelosi will never put up anything that doesn't have her paw prints all over it. 
Expect another continuing resolution in the fall.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Willmark on March 31, 2022, 12:15:45 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on March 31, 2022, 03:22:48 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?
Is the text black?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on March 31, 2022, 03:50:27 PM
Biden's new budget ask for next year is out. Since the pandemic is over and we're out of the decades-long wars, he no longer had any justification whatsoever for the ridiculously bloated spending, and massively cut the budget to..  $5.8 trillion. Wait, that's not a cut. The government has expected tax receipts of $3.5 trillion. That's like making $60,000/year, and spending $100,000. Can we get Will Smith to slap the man with an economics textbook?

Oh. Record-breaking defense spending. $813 billion, compared to $782 B last year. Guess who's planning a war before the next presidential election? Couldn't be Biden, he's too honest and he's opposed to unnecessary pain and suffering and horrible deaths.

Oh. And a wealth tax! It's only for the super-rich multi-billionaires, pinkie-swear! Please ignore that they promised that about the income tax, yet in a few short years the middle class was being soaked.

Oh, look. He's fucking over his progressive allies too, by increasing the funding for police, instead of cutting it. And trimming back on climate change. Because those clearly aren't the real priorities.

You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

Technically true, but at 23 billion compared to 5.8 trillion, NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to other programs, and the money would likely dissapear into the margins if NASA were completely disbanded.

Technically true, the best kind of true.  ;)
You’re serious?

No you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on April 02, 2022, 07:34:03 AM
You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

NASA's 2022 budget is $24.04 billion

The USA's 2022 spending is projected to be something like $4.018 trillion

NASA's budget isn't the problem. It's peanuts in comparison.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 02, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
You could save some money by cutting back the budget of NASA.

NASA's 2022 budget is $24.04 billion

The USA's 2022 spending is projected to be something like $4.018 trillion

NASA's budget isn't the problem. It's peanuts in comparison.
Shasarak uses black text for sarcasm.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on April 02, 2022, 02:30:39 PM
Shasarak uses black text for sarcasm.

I see.

Yeah, cutting NASA's budget is one of those stock answers by people who don't understand the incredible return on investment we get compared to a lot of other nonsense. Even despite so much waste by some of NASA's suppliers, which SpaceX has done a good job revealing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on April 02, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 02, 2022, 07:00:37 PM
From Ketanji Brown Jackson's written answers to a series of questions posed by the US Congress:
Quote from: https://t.co/2vlzV3WzY9 p. 79
Do you hold a position on whether individuals possess natural rights, yes or no?
RESPONSE: I do not hold a position on whether individuals possess natural rights
I'd think not believing in natural rights would be a problem for someone Biden's nominated to rule on the US Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wrath of God on April 03, 2022, 05:19:37 AM
Not really.

I mean Bill of Rights may appeal to natural law, but ultimately it's written law, so you may disbelief in philosophical roots and still follow the letter.
It would be problem in pre-modern system, when most of laws are not written, and ius naturalis is often used to declare sentences without any legal act behind it.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 03, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
You just explained why the 9th amendment effectively no longer exists.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on April 03, 2022, 12:47:52 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Trond on April 04, 2022, 04:58:45 PM
Let's play "Figure Out the Biden gaffe" together!

Biden said: “I’m deeply proud of the work [Jill is] doing as first lady with Joining Forces initiative she started with Michelle Obama when she was vice president.”

Is he:
1. Mistakenly referring to Michelle Obama as "vice president"?
2. Somehow mixing in Kamala Harris? (the current vice president but the only "she" who was ever VP)
3. Referring to himself as "she"?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 04, 2022, 05:14:02 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 04, 2022, 05:33:10 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.

And for the love of God homeschool your children!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 04, 2022, 05:40:29 PM
You could save $45 million by getting rid of the FBIs domestic counter terrorism unit (or STASI).
Their only job is to set up crimes to justify their existence.


And they are only growing in power and influence. It is becoming truly terrifying.

I don't want to be one of those "kids these days..." grumpy old men, but I don't see anything in the upcoming generation that indicates they'll have any resistance to a modern USA version of STASI. To the contrary, they seem to be more likely to welcome and encourage it.

  The only thing anyone can do is raise their kids to stand on some sort of principles.  I guess making sure they have international skill sets also helps, so when it gets really bad, they can change countries.

And for the love of God homeschool your children!

   Considering a private school that booted woke some time ago, but where I live the woke gets attacked pretty ferociously, and I know both my kids teachers well enough at this point to know there are no problems thus far.  Both have well established networks of friends and team mates from sports, so I am hesitant to uproot that at this age.   When one teacher is referring boys to read Jocko Willink's kid's books I think there is some measure of control over too much bullshit.  But next year Will be new territory for my daughter starting High School, so we will see how the board elections go and what the teachers there are like. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 12, 2022, 04:10:48 PM
  I guess when inflation is skyrocketing, WW3 is looming, and crime is rising, we present the "ghost gun" as a new terror and promise to get rid of them and of course the infamous "assault rifle".  This guy does not know what day it is.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Willmark on April 12, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Certainly interesting that the regime and the Minister of Truth, errr White House Press Secretary "Circle Back-Peppermint Patty" keep referring to it as "the Putin Price Hike". As if conjuring trillions of dollars out of thin air didn't happen.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 12, 2022, 07:58:16 PM
Man I wish Biden would just open up the USA oil fields again to lower oil prices.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 12, 2022, 08:41:53 PM
Man I wish Biden would just open up the USA oil fields again to lower oil prices.
That would go against the stated goal of the people behind the WEF/Agenda 21/etc. of crushing the middle class. The self-proclaimed elites want serfs just like the Lords of old. You can’t do that with a healthy middle class and an economic model that lets anyone with a good idea become richer than they are.

They think they’re sitting at the start of a new era of centralized technocratic rule… but my hunch at this point is we’re more likely looking at something akin to the collapse of the Western Roman Empire if we’re lucky… the Bronze Age Collapse if we’re not.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 13, 2022, 03:52:30 AM
Greetings!

Yep. The Deep State wants people to suffer and fail. That misery and suffering lays the ground work for their Agenda 2030 program. I have long since believed that you cannot--and will not--have a centralized, Globalized One-World government as long as you have an America that is strong, free, and prosperous.

I didn't realize that America's  strength, freedom, and prosperity could evaporate so very quickly.

So, yes, it seems like we are quickly headed towards global, technocratic, one-world government, and lots of tyranny.

Or, perhaps we are burning the last of the candlelight before a new day of barbarism, mass slaughter and savagery everywhere.

Things are definitely not looking good for our society as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 13, 2022, 07:43:07 AM
Greetings!

Yep. The Deep State wants people to suffer and fail. That misery and suffering lays the ground work for their Agenda 2030 program. I have long since believed that you cannot--and will not--have a centralized, Globalized One-World government as long as you have an America that is strong, free, and prosperous.

I didn't realize that America's  strength, freedom, and prosperity could evaporate so very quickly.

So, yes, it seems like we are quickly headed towards global, technocratic, one-world government, and lots of tyranny.

Or, perhaps we are burning the last of the candlelight before a new day of barbarism, mass slaughter and savagery everywhere.

Things are definitely not looking good for our society as a whole.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Nah, we aren’t headed for a global one-world government because the idiots in charge are actually idiots… as in so divorced from what is actually needed to sustain a society that their efforts to bring about their “utopia” will destroy them.

It’s just going to also hurt a bunch of other people in the process as the support systems continue to collapse until the people who maintain them locally start to completely disregard the central authorities’ edicts and find their own workarounds (which is basically what happened when the Western Roman Empire collapsed… all the centralized power devolved to local authorities with the ability to do what the local populace needed).

The end result is probably going to be the same too… the Empire (in this case the USA, EU, Canada and WEF affiliates) collapses under its own corrupt weight and individual regions go their own way with their success or failure determined by local conditions (i.e. what resources do you have locally and how quickly did the authorities there unplug from the central government system of funding when it goes into its death throes?).

Go look up what’s happening in Sri Lanka or Peru right now… that’s pretty much our future once the US dollar loses its reserve currency status.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 13, 2022, 08:05:52 AM
Instead of opening up oil fields, the Biden regime is going to allow for E15 gasoline, i.e. more ethanol.

There's a problem with that though; namely, farmers aren't planting corn for ethanol. They're planting soybeans because they can't get fertilizer.

Once again: any sufficiently destructive stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 13, 2022, 11:03:13 AM
Its maddening. Its the modern western alliance at work here.

The fact that “THE AGENDA” is higher priority then the military alliance has got me seriously spooked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on April 13, 2022, 11:04:56 AM
Imagine had the tobacco industry been immune to prostitutes being sued.  The horror.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on April 13, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Imagine had the tobacco industry been immune to prostitutes being sued.  The horror.
At least my butt's been wiped.

“We cannot let this, we’ve never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around, 16, we have never, never let our democracy sakes second fiddle, way they, we can both have a democracy and ... correct the public health.” - Joseph Biden
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 13, 2022, 10:55:27 PM
Instead of opening up oil fields, the Biden regime is going to allow for E15 gasoline, i.e. more ethanol.

There's a problem with that though; namely, farmers aren't planting corn for ethanol. They're planting soybeans because they can't get fertilizer.

Once again: any sufficiently destructive stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
And to do it, he had to violate the Clean Air Act. Or at least sign a waiver.

Fuck the environment, it's an election year and voters hate gas spikes.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 14, 2022, 09:59:15 AM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on April 14, 2022, 10:46:15 AM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?

Yes, the Taliban now has a better-equipped military than many NATO members.  Any of you third-world nations out there reading this?  Got lots of warriors, but nothing but old WW II surplus crap to equip them with?  Just declare war on the USA!  We'll invade, and for the price of a few bombs dropped on your tribal enclaves and goat herds you'll get a shitload of cutting-edge weaponry with which to equip your armed forces when we cut and run like whipped dogs!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on April 14, 2022, 11:02:52 AM
Yes, the Taliban now has a better-equipped military than many NATO members.  Any of you third-world nations out there reading this?  Got lots of warriors, but nothing but old WW II surplus crap to equip them with?  Just declare war on the USA!  We'll invade, and for the price of a few bombs dropped on your tribal enclaves and goat herds you'll get a shitload of cutting-edge weaponry with which to equip your armed forces when we cut and run like whipped dogs!
Damn. So thats why Ukraine was denied jet planes. That Zelensky moron can't do anything right.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 14, 2022, 07:34:20 PM
For those of you who missed it, the GAO released a report on all the gear we left in Afghanistan.

208 aircraft (planes and copters)
75,898 vehicles
599,690 small arms

Assorted night vision systems, drones, and comm systems and devices as well.

$84 billion price tag.

And the regime is talking up regulating 'ghost guns'.

But hey, no more mean tweets right?

Didn't they also left a shitload of cash?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on April 20, 2022, 07:25:56 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 20, 2022, 09:12:34 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 21, 2022, 09:02:08 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 21, 2022, 09:37:37 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on April 21, 2022, 07:09:38 PM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.

It really does beg the question as to how these assholes with C averages were allowed into colleges in the first place.  Bush and Kerry both had shitty grades. JFKs application essay for Harvard is laughable.  No, these shitbags got into colleges by the same means that Aunt Becky got sent to jail for recently...

Don't get me wrong, middling grades in high school are not they only indicator of success later in life, but when these people get shitty grades in college, don't actually become successful doing something afterwards, and still get offered wealth, power, and prestige, it's a problem.

Biden had never had a real job. He's hired at a law firm fresh out of law school and is elected to city council in less than a year - a career path that doesn't require competence.  And that's the problem with most of the elected class - middling performance in school and subpar performance in the work force before being elected where they never have to be competent at anything ever again.  Don't get me wrong - they're competent at grifting, but that's an inherent trait, not a practiced competency...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 22, 2022, 07:58:13 AM
Well, that's hilarious.

I wrote off Biden's recent attempt to shake hands with an imaginary person at the end of a press conference as just a weirdly awkward gesture. But now we have a press conference where Biden claimed that "for 4 years I was a full professor at the University of Pennsylvania."

He wasn't.

I suppose we could chalk that up cognitive impairment, but he has a long pattern of lying about his education. During a campaign rally, he claimed "I went to law school on a full academic scholarship, the only one in my class to have a full academic scholarship, went back to law school, and in fact ended up in the top half of my class. I was the outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year. I graduated with 3 degrees from undergraduate school."

All lies. He was not named outstanding student, graduated with only 1 degree, and was in the bottom half of his class.

And that was in 1987, so it predates any worries about declining mental faculties. He's just a self-aggrandizing, insecure liar.

My take is that it's both. He used to be a liar, and now he's a senile liar who struggles to not look like a pathetic vegetable-brain man. (And fails on live televison for all to see.)
Pretty much. He was not a bright man to start with, and was notorious for being a fuck up. Even Barack Obama admitted as much.

Now that he's firmly in the grip of senile dementia, it's interesting to watch his handlers and flacks desperately run interference. As a comedy, preferably directed and produced by Mel Brooks, it would be hilarious. As reality, it's extremely depressing.

  I think Bright is a stretch.  Grades are not everything, but the guy got into law school with a C average.  I think he could at least function on a talk with people/articulate manner, and maybe had some good emotional IQ, but bright...I think only by comparison to his current state.  He was likely always fucked up/evil though.  His kids reflect that, the fact he was in DC for almost his whole life leads me to think that, and if the stuff about his corruption stuff is true, well it is just fact.   It is not depressing, it is Americans just getting what they f$#king deserve.

It really does beg the question as to how these assholes with C averages were allowed into colleges in the first place.  Bush and Kerry both had shitty grades. JFKs application essay for Harvard is laughable.  No, these shitbags got into colleges by the same means that Aunt Becky got sent to jail for recently...

Don't get me wrong, middling grades in high school are not they only indicator of success later in life, but when these people get shitty grades in college, don't actually become successful doing something afterwards, and still get offered wealth, power, and prestige, it's a problem.

Biden had never had a real job. He's hired at a law firm fresh out of law school and is elected to city council in less than a year - a career path that doesn't require competence.  And that's the problem with most of the elected class - middling performance in school and subpar performance in the work force before being elected where they never have to be competent at anything ever again.  Don't get me wrong - they're competent at grifting, but that's an inherent trait, not a practiced competency...
It's not about education, but connections. Harvard is less a school and more a place for those who aspire to be movers and shakers to go to make those connections. The Cantonese term 'guanxi' seems very apt here.

Remember, they let David Hogg into Harvard. That's not indicative of intelligence. It means someone thinks he might be politically useful.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on May 09, 2022, 06:51:19 PM
Did I miss the discussion on the recent movie uncovering the 2020 Election fortification?

I mean I know that I sometimes get the urge to vote at 3am.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on May 09, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Did I miss the discussion on the recent movie uncovering the 2020 Election fortification?

I mean I know that I sometimes get the urge to vote at 3am.

   Well...the whole ballot harvesting, and putting other people's ballots into drop boxes (where in some states 100 percent of the nursing home populations voted) at 3am is simply the signs of a vibrant and wonderful democracy.  If you say otherwise, you may well be a white supremacist insurrectionist guilty of sedition, but feel free to use the 1st amendment to speak up about it.  The DOJ of course may want to talk with you afterwards though.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on May 10, 2022, 10:13:30 PM
Can’t wait for the new inflation numbers, said no one ever.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on May 11, 2022, 07:44:23 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 09:23:31 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on May 11, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Obviously more abortions will address future formula shortages...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on May 11, 2022, 10:17:49 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on May 11, 2022, 10:19:14 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 10:50:35 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Oh hey, what was infant mortality like prior to the development of formula? Fifty percent or so.

And not every woman can supply what her child needs, especially if they're big eaters.

Shark, you and RandyB need to throttle it back.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on May 11, 2022, 11:11:21 AM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, can you just *imagine* the growing desperation from so many women everywhere sobbing and crying to their men..."We can't feed our baby! DO SOMETHING!"

Imagine how that kind of pressure, every day, is going to affect men.

Interesting times indeed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Oh, no. If only women had some natural way of feeding their babies...
Oh hey, what was infant mortality like prior to the development of formula? Fifty percent or so.

And not every woman can supply what her child needs, especially if they're big eaters.

Shark, you and RandyB need to throttle it back.

  historically I thought it was closer to 25 percent, and total child mortality before puberty was the 50 percent number.  I do not think Formula was the big difference though, as there have always been historical substitutes to feed babies with before formula.  I think treatment of many illnesses and maladies, or medical advancements did much more to reduce infant mortality, as well as child mortality.    I think a formula shortage would increase social pressures on fathers to do something, but I think any scenario where formula is in short supply there will likely be other food shortages that would apply as much if not more pressure (can't breast feed a 15 year old). 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on May 11, 2022, 11:49:52 AM
Greetings!

I have sincere sympathy for the mothers and families out there that, for various reasons, cannot breastfeed their babies. For them, having access to baby formula is very important.

Regardless of whatever the infant mortality rate was before the invention of baby formula--or whatever the infant mortality rate may become because of future shortages in the supply of baby formula--it is all a disturbing problem, and potentially a sobering crisis, entirely of which I place the blame for on the Biden regime.

Just more stupid corruption and stupidity from this disgusting and pathetic Liberal Democrat government.

I hope also that the American voters take note, and remember this, as well as all of the other absolute failures of this fucking administration.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 12:17:57 PM
Greetings!

I have sincere sympathy for the mothers and families out there that, for various reasons, cannot breastfeed their babies. For them, having access to baby formula is very important.

Regardless of whatever the infant mortality rate was before the invention of baby formula--or whatever the infant mortality rate may become because of future shortages in the supply of baby formula--it is all a disturbing problem, and potentially a sobering crisis, entirely of which I place the blame for on the Biden regime.

Just more stupid corruption and stupidity from this disgusting and pathetic Liberal Democrat government.

I hope also that the American voters take note, and remember this, as well as all of the other absolute failures of this fucking administration.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Fair enough.

The fucking apologists for the zombie Biden and his misadministration really piss me off. Especially as they keep alternating between 'everything is fine!' and 'it's all Trump/Putin/Covid's fault'.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on May 11, 2022, 01:03:04 PM
While we're at it:

Biden: "The number one threat is the strength, and that strength that we've built is inflation."
Link: https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1524058793713315841?s=20&t=qxVdQ78sIJBoc_9WCk8WdA

What.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on May 11, 2022, 01:23:34 PM
Come on, man. If you would just stop and listen for a second. The thing is… This inflation is YOUR fault. You know, Corn Pop was a bad dude.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on May 11, 2022, 08:00:19 PM
Worst president of my lifetime, and I'm old enough to remember Carter!

Bought a few groceries to feed the family, came to over $200! At least there was some groceries to buy, though I saw a lot of bare shelves. What is it about communist regimes and food shortages?

I don't expect the inflation numbers coming out today to be very good.
Wait till the formula shortages start to bite in.

You want to get a man excited, make it impossible for him to feed his kids.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?
Obviously more abortions will address future formula shortages...
Soylent Cream is made of babies!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 11, 2022, 08:36:00 PM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on May 12, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
The inflation numbers were horrible as I expected. The news is spinning it as "not as bad as expected" and "lower than last month".

 ::)

Now I'm really ticked we are sending 40 billion of unaccountable American tax dollars for a war escalation I don't support. The hogs are really feeding at the trough, they love war.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on May 12, 2022, 09:22:52 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on May 12, 2022, 10:37:57 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on May 12, 2022, 05:46:11 PM
We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.

What is that proportionally to a 10-30# baby?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 12, 2022, 06:39:20 PM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

The concentration of sugar in human breast milk is the highest of all mammals. 
~7 grams per 100 milliliters ..
Baby's need sugar and a good deal of it. 
Sugar intake does not cause diabetes.  Not at this stage of development.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on May 12, 2022, 06:42:41 PM
Biden is campaigning for a Trump return.  ;D

https://nypost.com/2022/05/11/biden-calls-trump-great-maga-king-claims-backers-unmoved-by-food-lines/

(https://i.imgflip.com/6f0b1x.jpg)

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on May 12, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
We're talking 2 tablespoons of karo mixed into 31 ounces of evaporated milk and water - 3% of the overall volume - it's about 120 calories and 30g of carbs a day, so it's not like it's actually contributing to diabetes.  Now, the fact that karo is made from GMO corn treated with glyphosate would give me pause, but not its caloric or carb content.

What is that proportionally to a 10-30# baby?

"It depends."

Newborns feed 8-12 times in a 24 hr period, 1-2 ounces each time - so 8 - 24 ounces of formula.  So anywhere from 1/4 to 3/4 of an ounce of karo. So 24 grams of carbs at the top end.  So - about 0.002% of body mass a day, as a newborn (again, at the top end).

Not exactly the same as drinking a six pack of soda a day...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on May 15, 2022, 06:45:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSqzmJeX0AEb73O?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on May 16, 2022, 07:26:44 AM
Karo syrup
water
evaporated milk
==
baby formula

Sadly too true. No wonder America has a diabetes epidemic.

The concentration of sugar in human breast milk is the highest of all mammals. 
~7 grams per 100 milliliters ..
Baby's need sugar and a good deal of it. 
Sugar intake does not cause diabetes.  Not at this stage of development.

Good to know. You can understand how terrible it sounds to feed high-fructose corn syrup to infants. Especially the number of health issues that are now being associated with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on May 16, 2022, 10:35:01 AM
Interesting bit of info.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 04:41:35 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 01, 2022, 06:19:59 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 06:25:54 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Read the article. It's fairly complex and hard to draw conclusions, but among other things they're saying that the low-level black staffers in particular were brought in (for token reasons, it sounds like) without the connections or support structures of the other staff, who were a fairly tight knit group.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 01, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
 Seems more that there is a dearth of trust funds among the black people working there, and they may not realize they were supposed to pull a Huma Abedin and hold down three other "consulting jobs " all paying 6 figures plus while doing her government jobs.   It seems the population is what is reflected in the population of the country, I wonder if there are any over represented groups in that Biden cabinet?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 01, 2022, 07:35:52 PM
Sounds like they had to pull from outside the beltway establishment. Which is a good thing, if we ignore the hideously racist reasons behind it.

But it does show how difficult it is to thrive within the Washington establishment without being born in the right circles, or without being educated in the same handful of elite universities. What was their reaction to a Federal Reserve board of governors nominee who was educated at state universities, instead of the Ivy? (Shelton didn't make it.) How many members of the Supreme Court didn't get their law degree from either Harvard or Yale? (1: Amy Coney Barret went to Notre Dame.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 01, 2022, 08:00:36 PM
Weird article from Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-white-house-black-staffers-00035931

21 black staffers have left (or will soon leave) the White House, since late last year. It's significant enough it's been dubbed the "Blaxit". Departing staffers are saying it's because they feel like they're getting little support, and see little chance for promotion.
Those are some of the same reasons all sorts of people are leaving all sorts of jobs. Do they have any evidence that non-Black staffers are getting a better shake?
Read the article. It's fairly complex and hard to draw conclusions, but among other things they're saying that the low-level black staffers in particular were brought in (for token reasons, it sounds like) without the connections or support structures of the other staff, who were a fairly tight knit group.

So, kinda like being back on a plantation... Democrats can't get away from their slavery roots.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 02, 2022, 08:12:33 AM
So, how about them gas and food prices?

But hey, no more mean tweets, right? Return to norms, adults back in charge, etc...

If you voted for Biden, please, do us all a favor. Just fuck off for the next couple election cycles. Stay home.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 02, 2022, 12:55:24 PM
So, how about them gas and food prices?

But hey, no more mean tweets, right? Return to norms, adults back in charge, etc...

If you voted for Biden, please, do us all a favor. Just fuck off for the next couple election cycles. Stay home.

  Lots of Biden voters did both, stayed home and voted for him.  Apparently in rest homes some of them didnt even bother waking up from their comas to vote for him.  I do laugh to myself this is a guy who is going to be running on spending shitloads of money on a foreign government while gas prices and inflations rockets up, fighting the "rise of white supremacy", trying to ban guns, and endorsing boosters every 6 months.  Even the coma patients might skip voting for him.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 03, 2022, 10:04:52 AM
So the big distraction now is gun control. Because that hasn't been a third rail for Dems outside of NY or California for the last 20 years.

Fucking amateurs.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on June 03, 2022, 10:30:29 AM
That reminds me, I need to see if my Dad will vote Democrat this year (he passed away a few months ago.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 09, 2022, 08:55:31 PM
Last night, Biden joked about arresting his political opponents on Jimmy Kimmel
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1534756470021046272
This morning, the FBI breaks into the house of a Republican candidate for governor, and arrests him
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/fbi-arrest-michigan-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelly-raids-home/

He's been charged with 4 misdemeanors. Nobody gets raided by the FBI over misdemeanors. And they waited 18 months, so they could do it the morning before the prime time circus is set to start.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 09, 2022, 09:12:04 PM
Last night, Biden joked about arresting his political opponents on Jimmy Kimmel
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1534756470021046272
This morning, the FBI breaks into the house of a Republican candidate for governor, and arrests him
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/fbi-arrest-michigan-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelly-raids-home/

He's been charged with 4 misdemeanors. Nobody gets raided by the FBI over misdemeanors. And they waited 18 months, so they could do it the morning before the prime time circus is set to start.
And they called us the fascists.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 09, 2022, 09:29:37 PM
Misdemeanors? Really? Smh.

When are they going to nail BLM for fraud and embezzlement? The BLM ponzi scheme isn't quite Madoff-level, but it's an even bigger scheme than Madoff's in terms of reach.

Aside from the violent insurrection (the BLM activities, not the 1/6 activity), they've created an industry around grift that needs to be ended. California is going to pay up for this crap ("reparations"), and nobody in this post-Soviet state will care despite BLM buying large mansions in the Los Angeles area.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 10, 2022, 05:50:06 AM
I have faith that we will have a "Killdozer" moment in DC soon enough.

Quote
June 4th, 2022, marks the 18th anniversary of the Killdozer's rampage through Granby, Colorado.

Sit down, kids, and let me tell you a tale about a reasonable man driven to do unreasonable things.

Marvin Heemeyer was a man who owned a muffler shop in Granby, Colorado. The city council ordained to approve the construction of a concrete factory in the lot across from Marvin's shop. In the process, this blocked the only access road to the muffler shop. Marvin petitioned to stop the construction to no avail. He petitioned to construct a new access road, and even bought the heavy machinery to do so himself. Denied.

The concrete factory went up in disregard to the ramifications on Marvin's business. To add insult to injury, the factory construction disconnected the muffler shop from the city sewage lines. An indifferent city government then chose to fine Marvin for this.

His business and livelihood were in ruin. Rather than lie down and die, Marvin chose to fight back. Over the course of a year and a half Marvin secretly outfitted the bulldozer he bought to save his business with three foot thick steel and concrete armor along with camera systems guarded with bulletproof glass.

On June 4th, 2004, Marvin Heemeyer lowered the armored shell onto the bulldozer, entombing himself inside the Killdozer to make his last stand.

He burst forth from the walls of his muffler shop and straight into the concrete factory that ruined his business. Over the course of the next several hours, Marvin drove his Killdozer through 13 buildings owned by those officials that had wronged him, including the city council building itself.

SWAT teams swarmed the dozer, but it proved immune to small arms fire and even explosives. Another piece of heavy machinery was even brought out to fight the Killdozer, but it too fell to the dozer’s righteous fury.

In the end, Marvin's Killdozer became trapped in one of the buildings it was built to destroy. Marvin chose to take his life, the only life he took that day.

Today we celebrate Killdozer day and Marvin Heemeyer, the last great American folk hero. A man driven to the brink who chose to fight back against an indifferent system.

From notes left behind after his passing:
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."

HAPPY KILLDOZER DAY EVERYONE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

Marvin Heemeyer - A Great American Hero.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 10, 2022, 08:32:27 AM
So they're trotting out the J6 show trial truth and reconciliation committee.

I'm sure people will be spellbound to see this Hollywood-produced docudrama about how Occasional Cortex and San Fran Nan saved Our Democracy (TM) from the evil hordes of the Orange Man. Surely this will distract them from $5/gallon gas and shortages of everything from baby formula to coffee.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on June 10, 2022, 10:02:20 AM
Wait, there's a shortage on coffee?  Shit's gonna get real.  The last time we had to ration coffee, we were so grouchy that we reduced several nations to rubble.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 10, 2022, 11:17:42 AM
The problem for the 1/6 hearings is that, at this point in time, I think that many Bidenists wish they had voted the other way.
It's not the slam-dunk hearing for the Democrats that they think it is.

The Democrats have a reality problem. The reality is that Biden created more and worse chaos than the chaos Trump was responsible for.

Hard-line, stubborn, backwards-thinking Democrats have cratered this country for their politics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 10, 2022, 11:43:59 PM
About the economy issues.

Gas prices and inflation are soaring around the world. The Ukraine war has been officially blamed.

Speaking of the war in ukraine, it's put Russian oligarchs in the spotlight. Has it occured to people there might be oligarchs in America and other countries too? They might be raising prices just because they are addicted to taking money from people because they can never have enough.

Speaking of American oligarchs, since 2008 and the OWS movement, and the 'new economy', I. E.  The 'screw economy' to most people, there bas been rising hostility towards the American aristocracy, the 1%, the oligarchy.

There are rising calls for living wage laws, worker's rights laws, privacy kaws that give workers the right to tell employers that ''my personal life is none of your business. ''

Democrats are more likely to pass such laws, the reps are certain to block them no matter how much tge viters want them.

So the Ukraine shit happens and the oligarchs just spin the inflation dial as fast as they can and tell their media to blame ''Brandon''.

And sadly enough of them are stupid enough to buy it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 10, 2022, 11:56:30 PM
So they're trotting out the J6 show trial truth and reconciliation committee.

I'm sure people will be spellbound to see this Hollywood-produced docudrama about how Occasional Cortex and San Fran Nan saved Our Democracy (TM) from the evil hordes of the Orange Man. Surely this will distract them from $5/gallon gas and shortages of everything from baby formula to coffee.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 11, 2022, 03:38:48 AM
There are rising calls for living wage laws, worker's rights laws, privacy kaws that give workers the right to tell employers that ''my personal life is none of your business. ''

Democrats are more likely to pass such laws, the reps are certain to block them no matter how much tge viters want them.

So the Ukraine shit happens and the oligarchs just spin the inflation dial as fast as they can and tell their media to blame ''Brandon''.

And sadly enough of them are stupid enough to buy it.
Vaccine passports are the exact opposite of the right to tell employers your personal life is your own business.

And Biden is responsible for inflation. Trump, too. Inflation is a general rise in prices, and has a specific cause. "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon." The massive printing of money during the repo crisis and then the pandemic is what's causing the rise in overall prices. The Fed is the agent of inflation but is only ostensibly independent. It was the absurd amount of money being spent that drove them to do it. And it's the massive government debt that's preventing them from putting on the brakes, because if they dial back the flow of easy money, then interest on the federal debt will skyrocket. Even just a few points rise in the prime rate could make servicing the debt a bigger part of the federal budget than Medicare and Social Security. This kind of inflation needs to burn itself out, and we'll be lucky if we avoid the stagflation trap.

Prices of specific products can also rise, due to other causes. We're seeing a lot of prices spike because of supply chain woes, as well. And again, that's almost entirely the fault of the government, who thought they could just turn off the global economy like a light switch, and then flip it back on later, without causing massive damage. It's a complex interactive system, and government bureaucrats who have never had a real job in their life deciding which jobs are essential and which ones aren't was very dimwitted.

Gas prices in particular are also rising due to government intervention. A lot of the world's oil comes from Russia. Banning Russian exports cuts back on supply, which means the countries that get a lot of their gas from Russia have to look for alternatives, and bid up the prices. This causes a global price rise, even in countries like the US that don't get much of their oil directly from Russia. it's also affected by the permit and pipeline bans, because prices are predictive, and those actions discourage companies from investing in future capacity.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: bromides on June 11, 2022, 03:57:02 PM
Gas prices and prices in general were going up long before Russia, so blaming this on Pooty Putin is a typical feckless Brandon scam.

Supply chain issues have to include things like California's AB5, which will keep people from entering the job market long before it goes into effect (not to mention diesel costs). We have created our own bottlenecks at the ports of entry in California, and I guess some people are surprised by that.

Brandon, playing the victim, has done zero to help out. He's done the opposite of fighting inflation, and now the Fed has to jerk on the money spigot since they were amongst the few who were surprised by the not so transitory inflation issue.

But, hey, we are parachuting infant formula from Germany (instead of shipping overland from Mexico because that border be so tough to get through). Winner winner, chicken dinner, I guess.

If you're defending Biden at this point, you're further along the wing than others, IMO.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on June 11, 2022, 05:00:41 PM
If you're defending Biden at this point, you're further along the wing than others, IMO.
The ONLY defense I will grant to Biden is that he has no clue what he’s actually saying;
He’s a puppet with a hand up his ass parroting words sent to his earpiece. Removing him just puts Cackles Harris into the puppet role and if we removed her Skeletor Pelosi would be the same (as would McCarthy if we got a Repub House Majority this fall; they’re all owned by the same shady cabal of unelected degenerates who made their fortunes cheating the system and believe they’re the masters of the universe because they got away with it).

That said, Biden (and all the rest of those ingrates) probably enjoys the hand up their asses; it probably makes them feel important. As such, they will fully deserve every bad thing that comes their way; possibly in this life, definitely in the next if they don’t get with the sack clothes and repentance and do it right soon.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 12, 2022, 09:16:38 AM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 12, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 12, 2022, 03:01:17 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 12, 2022, 03:11:27 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
"1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back." --a certain black politician

Don't cry cause it's true. Unless someone hangs Maduro, it's very unlikely there'll be any normalizing of relations. Even Cuba has a better chance.

Besides, you know who else has oil? Mexico.

Granted, we'd have to clean out the cartels, but hey, that's what purges are for.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on June 12, 2022, 03:31:46 PM
Gas prices could be brought down very easily with one simple, logical move.

Drop all sanctions on Venezuela.

Venezuela has the world's largest petroleum reserves. That crime ring ran oil company of Putin's isn't even in the top five. 

Venezuela has been under sever sanctions since 2019 (guess who was President and put them on. It wasn't Biden)

The sanctions were put in place because Venezuela is a socialist country and wouldn't suck American oil oligarch dick or let the CIA topple it's government to put in an American corporate approved one.

Well, what Vnz didn't do was invade a foreign country, use military hardware to murder civillians, target civilian residential buildings with artillery and missiles,forcibly kidnap thousands if people and drag them off to Russia to force them to accept Russian dominance, use them as slave labor, etc.

Now some people would consider Russia to be better than Vnz because it's capitalist, but those people should be ignored utterly.

The sanctions on Vnz, which have only hurt the people and not the government, should be ended at once, even if Mitch McConnell must be bound, gagged and locked in a closet to stop him blocking it, it's oil production should be brought up to full ASAP and used to help Europe stop buying any Russian oil at all leading to a total implosion of Russia's pathetic economy, which is already in such a poor shape Darth Vader himself would weep for it.

With some aid to restart it's sanction crippled oil industry Vnz could soon replace all Russian oil exports. The very threat of this and the annihilation of the anaemic Russian economy could force putin to withdraw or lead to his replacement.
Not happening, chummer. Chavez and his butt buddy Maduro were nationalizing assets that did not belong to them. That's a great way to piss people off.

You can bitch about how mean and stupid America is, but it won't change the fact that 'Zuela's a shithole run by commie vermin.

Yo, dude! The 50's called. It wants its zeitsmode back.
"1980 called, it wants its foreign policy back." --a certain black politician

Don't cry cause it's true. Unless someone hangs Maduro, it's very unlikely there'll be any normalizing of relations. Even Cuba has a better chance.

Besides, you know who else has oil? Mexico.

Granted, we'd have to clean out the cartels, but hey, that's what purges are for.

Just drone strike the lot, ALL the cartels, drone strike them until the survivors are so afraid that the mere thought of selling drugs causes them to shit their pants.

Many other Mexicans agree with me BTW.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 12, 2022, 03:34:20 PM
You know who else has oil?

Canada! And there is even a pipeline and everything
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 12, 2022, 05:12:49 PM
Or we could, you know, just go back to drilling in the USA and return to $2.20 a gallon gas prices like they were during the Trump administration. All of those Keystone Pipeline workers would still have jobs too.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 12, 2022, 05:27:27 PM
Or we could, you know, just go back to drilling in the USA and return to $2.20 a gallon gas prices like they were during the Trump administration. All of those Keystone Pipeline workers would still have jobs too.

Let’s not go crazy
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 12, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
In the meantime, I think we can all agree that the best short-term solution to gas prices is to have the president talk about treating Saudi Arabia as a "pariah state", because our ally has the largest easily accessible reserves in the world, and is able to quickly ramp up production, and treating like shit and pissing them off is the diplomatic way to guarantee that they'll do what we ask and help relieve the supply shock by increasing production and keeping prices low.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 12, 2022, 08:27:15 PM
The marxists want high oil prices as they believe its their path to their Green New Reset delusion. If the Xiden regime wanted to lower energy prices, they could have pulled a dozen levers by now.

It's not because they can't.

Its because they won't.

And they know elections don't matter anymore.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 12, 2022, 08:45:54 PM
You know what Republicans should do when they control both houses of Congress after the midterms?

Impeach Merrick Garland. It has better optics that a revenge impeachment against the president, and it should be an open-and-shut case, under "high crimes and misdemeanors". That phrase doesn't mean what modern uninformed people think it means. It had a very specific meaning at the time the Constitution was written, and was a reference to the English legal standard. Which was clearly explained by Blackwell: "The first and principal high misdemeanor ... was mal-administration of such high offices as are in public trust and employment." And failing to product an associate justice of the Supreme Court after an assassination attempt should be a clear example.

Of course, they won't, because the Republican party is completely worthless. But if they did, it might instill a fear of the legislative and judicial branches in the FBI and other federal agencies that have become so highly partisan and are engaged in selective persecution and neglect based on the politics of the people involved.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on June 12, 2022, 11:27:24 PM
Republicans won't do shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 13, 2022, 01:21:13 AM
The Republicans are the Vichy France of political parties.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 13, 2022, 06:41:19 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 13, 2022, 06:50:40 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....

   Well, Biden ran on BREAKING the oil companies and drilling.  He seems to be doing it wrong, at least in so far as wrecking their businesses.  Democrats dont give two shits about workers, they just want to seize firearms.  I apologize that people on the right do in fact care about their kids.  Maybe if you loons could get them more into abortion or letting them attend drag shows and pride parades they might go along with you and not caring about their kids.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 13, 2022, 07:21:22 PM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....
Say it costs you $100 to make some barrel of goo, and you sell it for $110. But then there's a burst of inflation. Costs increase 50%, so the barrel now costs you $150. Since you can't afford to lose $40 per barrel, you have to raise prices. If you sell it for $165, you're making the exact same percentage of profit as you were before the production costs rose. Sounds fair? Sounds fair.

But since the nominal price went up, dishonest politicians can claim you're making record profits, because you just made $15 instead of $10. Even though that $15 will buy you exactly as much as your pre-inflation $10 profit. The numbers are bigger, but you're not any richer by any real measure of value.

It is the fucking Democrats' fault[1], no matter how much economic ignoramuses like you try to befuddle the issue by blaming it on a scapegoat.

[1] And also Trump. We've been inflating the money supply for a long time. But at least he didn't shutdown pipelines and stop issuing permits and embargo major global oil exporters.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 13, 2022, 07:42:58 PM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on June 13, 2022, 09:56:45 PM
Republicans won't do shit.

Sure they will. They will help the Democrats take away more American's freedoms. That's what both parties are good at.

One talk host put it well:
"Whether it's pandemics or shootings or warm weather, both parties always seem to agree that the problem is you having too much freedom."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on June 13, 2022, 10:43:43 PM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Slay okigawrchs!  Prifut!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 14, 2022, 12:34:25 AM
If you cant make prifuts then what can you make?
Slay okigawrchs!  Prifut!

According to Bill Maher.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 14, 2022, 07:24:19 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 14, 2022, 08:32:03 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ

   Thing is that is a really fucktarded point.  Now, if you want to lower everyone's tax rates to theirs (which is also retarded, as they tend to borrow against assets for cash....thus no income to tax.... and pay it back as they please) I can get behind that.   But putting some bullshit like that beside the picture of a guy who is flagrantly abusing his office/position/political position to get cash payoffs from foreign powers tells me you are just a brainless zealot.  Though you do keep me entertained.   I would add given how many billionaires are all for everything democrats are pushing....should tell you something.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 14, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.







Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 14, 2022, 10:56:36 PM
You brainwashed tools can attack biden and hail Trump all you want, this is why I'll support him over anything with an r after it's name.

https://flic.kr/p/2nrZ4AJ

Biden digs his own grave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 14, 2022, 11:29:39 PM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

How would you know?

You are not a Biologist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:33:44 AM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.

    No, I understand anyone who gets that position is likely corrupt, and a person who has held elected office for 50 years is certainly corrupt.  The thing here is you (in your mind, since I did not say it) think I am taking a side.  The only side I can take is that of my family.  You on the other hand are convinced there are enemies that vote for republicans out there and you talk about silly things like how many guns you have when getting up out of  a chair quickly winds you.  Go outside and get some exercise.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 15, 2022, 08:26:50 AM
What are you paying for gas now, versus three years ago?

And before you say, 'but muh evil oil companies', the refineries are running at max capacity. If we'd actually BUILD some refineries it'd take the stress off, but nope -- we're TRANSITIONING to green energy. Well, actually, we're transitioning to a goddamned neo-feudalist system with certain people at the top.

The people that Battlemaster sucks off on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:00:03 AM
Wow, ogg, you can't tell trunp from Biden! At least Biden knows he's not trump'

You accuse bjden of corruption and abuse of power.  Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because it's President t would not make up dirt about Biden's son.  Maybe that withheld aid emboldened putin to attack.  Trump appointed family to key government positions with bo qualifications.  Trump encouaged his followers to use violence abd murder against people who did not support him with his little second amendment remark and the rifle firing  gesture. He told people to find him votes, he told Pence to not certify the election, he asked if the army could shoot protestors 'in the legs' .

And shitheaded fucktards like you talk about Biden being corrupt.

Let's be crystal clear. Trump asked the Ukraine to investigate why they stopped an investigation into corruption involving a company on whose board the son of a sitting US VP sat on after that VP threatened to withhold aid unless Ukraine fired the investigator investigating that company.

That sounds like something entirely worthy of withholding military aid - even though the decision to withhold aid ocurred *prior* to Trump's call with Zelenskiy.

Nepotism? You mean like appointing RFK to AG back in the day, or just all of the nepotism associated with all of Burden's closest aids like the Richetti's who have positions in the Office of Legal Affairs, Office of Social Secretary of the White House, Office of the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security; Cathy Russell whose daughter is on the NSC; Ron Klain's wife and Psaki 's sister.  As opposed to Trump, whose daughter and son-in-law had *unpaid* positions as advisors.  What, it's ok only if they grift on the taxpayer's dime?

As to violence - at no point did Trump encourage violence, as opposed to Dems encouraging it by BLM and antifa. Even in 6 Jan, he told supporters to peacefully demonstrate (inconveniently for leftists, his speech was recorded for posterity where he says this). Shooting protestors in the legs? Yeah, when they are rioters they most certainly should be shot.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:04:08 AM
What are you paying for gas now, versus three years ago?

And before you say, 'but muh evil oil companies', the refineries are running at max capacity. If we'd actually BUILD some refineries it'd take the stress off, but nope -- we're TRANSITIONING to green energy. Well, actually, we're transitioning to a goddamned neo-feudalist system with certain people at the top.

The people that Battlemaster sucks off on a regular basis.

I like how greenies bury their heads in the sand as to how all the "green" energy requires child slaves to mine rare earths to build solar cells and batteries involving toxic waste streams and coal-fired power plant energy to produce and then further bury their heads in the sand that the batteries are being charged from electricity that originates in a coal-fired power plant.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Mistwell on June 15, 2022, 11:03:34 AM
Oil corporation prifuts are at record highs and the okigawrchs running them are still raisibg prices to all time highs to steer stupid people to blaming democrats so things like minimum wage increases and workers rights will be buried. But don't worry,  you'll be protected from things CRT  and gay rights....

A HUGE part of the issue with gasoline prices has nothing to do with "oil corporations" and everything to do with refineries in the US, and the lack thereof. We have too few refineries, they're too old, and too many of them were based on light crude found in fraking and not heavy crude coming from overseas. And we have not had the political will, under Trump or Biden, to modernize our refineries or add more - nor do those companies have the investment will to build more on their own as refineries are very long term prospects and don't fit within the quarterly profits driven marketplace or fit well along with the fear the US is reducing oil consumption in the future.

All we've done is reduce the number of refineries over time and not open new ones. The newest refinery with significant downstream unit capacity is Marathon's facility in Garyville, Louisiana. That facility came online in 1977. We're running at 95% of capacity for our refineries right now. Which if just ONE of our 129 refineries shuts down for maintenance or because of a breakage or weather event or whatever, it can mean a shortage.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: wmarshal on June 15, 2022, 12:18:21 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 15, 2022, 12:44:40 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: wmarshal on June 15, 2022, 12:49:13 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
You know, there's this thing called "Go Fuck Yourself" that can easily be directed towards the greenie weenies as truckers bypass the DEF system in their rig.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
The next disaster is approaching. It’s getting difficult to find DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid), which is required for any diesel vehicle since 2010. This article is certainly partisan, but I think it does a good job of connecting the dots with the involvement of multiple members of the Donilon family, and how this upcoming train wreck it being allowed to happen through ineptitude, or deliberate machinations. If Biden says this DEF shortage snuck up on him like the baby formula shortage my head will likely explode.

https://sensingonline.blogspot.com/2022/06/get-ready-for-catastrophic-def-shortage.html?m=1
As I understand it, you can disable the DEF requirement. However, I will guarantee the green nutters will flip their shit and demand anyone who does so be jailed.

But hey, it's not like we need trucks to move material...
The Green cultists will absolutely prevent suspension of the DEF requirement at least until we have a full blown disaster on our hands. Then the people in charge will claim to be surprised at this “sudden” crisis, and try to blame Big Urea.
You know, there's this thing called "Go Fuck Yourself" that can easily be directed towards the greenie weenies as truckers bypass the DEF system in their rig.
That sounds like... insurrection!

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 15, 2022, 06:59:58 PM
I really believe that 'necessity' be allowed in court. If you must drive a diesel and cannot get this fluid, then it's not s crime to commit an act of necessity. If the law does not recognize necessity, it is incompetent to judge people.

Of course wingnuts will claim murdering an abortion performing doctor was necessary, burning a church of Satan was necessary, etc. Rightards fuck everything up. It would have to be handled case by case, but hopefully a jury of real people (not judges or lawyers)  would recognize real necessity.

Oh,  this is a good cartoon about people who hate 'brandon'

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:04:04 PM
  Smart to edit that one out, it made you look like a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2022, 07:04:57 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on June 15, 2022, 08:05:55 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.

I'm guessing it's all the privatelly owned Venezuelan conporations driving the inflation there too... Oh, wait!

Inflation is ALWAYS due to someone, somewhere, somehow printing (creating actually) more money.

Lets see if even his retarted leftard brain can grasp this fact when confronted with someone explaining it.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: ThatChrisGuy on June 15, 2022, 08:27:26 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.

I'm guessing it's all the privatelly owned Venezuelan conporations driving the inflation there too... Oh, wait!

Inflation is ALWAYS due to someone, somewhere, somehow printing (creating actually) more money.

Lets see if even his retarted leftard brain can grasp this fact when confronted with someone explaining it.



I remember when Biden said "Milton Friedman is no longer running the show" I knew we were fucked.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 15, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
All those corporations are politically shifty and go whatever way makes the more money. That used to be to the right, but now it's often more profitable to swing left. That's not saying they gave two shits about either side--its all just business to them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 15, 2022, 08:38:12 PM
Corporate profits up 25%

Its the Trumptards fault!   :o


Living rent free in their heads since 1862.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 09:37:49 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Daztur on June 15, 2022, 10:19:45 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

The liberal tendency to attribute systemic problems to individual moral failings ("corporate greed!") etc. can get very strange at times.

Still, inflation making all numbers larger does change some things. My mortgage for example. Having it decline in real terms due to inflation is nice.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

The liberal tendency to attribute systemic problems to individual moral failings ("corporate greed!") etc. can get very strange at times.

Still, inflation making all numbers larger does change some things. My mortgage for example. Having it decline in real terms due to inflation is nice.
Yes, that's an example of the fixed cost I mentioned in the last paragraph.

In general, debt will diminish. But so will real wealth. Your mortgage may become more payable, but your savings will be worth less.

This favoring of debt is how the inflation-apologists try to claim it helps the poor, but that's a baldfaced lie. It's the people with most of their money in assets that grow faster than inflation, like real estate and stocks, that benefit the most. And that's the rich. Even your mortgage is an example of how inflation helps the well-off, because the people with mortgages tend have more money than the people who rent, and except for the tiny percentage of people who live in one of those rent-controlled apartments, rents aren't fixed.

So however much inflation hurts, remember to feel smug and satisfied that the people who are really getting hurt are those dirty proletariats. This is another of the Democrats' favorite taxes, a tax on the poor.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 15, 2022, 10:54:13 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
I literally pointed out the flaw in this argument the last time you made it... almost a whole page ago.

If inflation increases the price of everything by 25%, guess what goes up 25%?  The price of your next car. Your grocery bill. Your wages. And corporate profits.

Nobody's any richer. Nobody's able to buy more than they could before. The numbers are just larger.

While Brandon isn't the sole cause of inflation, the reason people are blaming him is because he's been a big contributor, and he's the reason why it's spiking right now.

Now it's true that inflation is a lot more complex than that. It's not a rising tide that lifts all boats equally. A price in one thing may rise much faster than other things. Consumer prices often go up first. Wages often take some time to react. People with fixed costs or inflation-adjusted income are protected, at least for a while. And it affects different sectors of the economy differently; there is a good argument that there's been a lot of inflation already in areas like real estate and the stock market (i.e. production). But that would require a real discussion, which is far beyond someone who trades in these little economic idiocies.

It's not that people can't buy any more than they could with lower inflation - it's that they can't buy the same amount as before, in most cases, less.

A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.

Food is just as bad - can anyone explain how 18 food processing plants all burn down within a 6 month period?

And now it's the Diesel Exhaust Fluid shortage coming up that will prevent trucks from moving food and fuel and prevent farm equipment from harvesting.  DEF is 2/3 Urea and 1/3 water. Russia was the largest exporter of urea. Not no mo'. Flying J is a chain of truck stops that gets 70% of their DEF from Union Pacific railcars (whose rail lines have exclusive access to the plants that turn urea into DEF). They've been told to cut orders by 50% or they won't fill any orders at all. That's 15% of all the DEF used in the US. Blackrock is the majority shareholder of Union Pacific, as well as the largest shareholder of CF Industries who is the largest producer of urea in the US. Blackrock's chairman is Tom Donilon, Obama's former national security advisor.  Donilon's brother is a senior advisor to Biden and his wife is WH Personnel Director. His daughter is on Biden's national security council.

Go ahead, tell me it's all just coincidence and then tell me how inflation isn't artificially influenced by this disaster of a President.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 15, 2022, 11:23:05 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 16, 2022, 06:10:35 AM
  My bad...you still posted it.  Ah well.  All those corporations are led by lefties.  Think about that for a while.
All those corporations are politically shifty and go whatever way makes the more money. That used to be to the right, but now it's often more profitable to swing left. That's not saying they gave two shits about either side--its all just business to them.

  If this were 10 years ago I might agree, since most these days seem to share the largest shareholders, I think the ESG score thing demonstrates message matters first.  Profits matter less when a sugar daddy is willing to absorb your losses to push out a message.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2022, 08:57:19 AM
I really believe that 'necessity' be allowed in court. If you must drive a diesel and cannot get this fluid, then it's not s crime to commit an act of necessity. If the law does not recognize necessity, it is incompetent to judge people.

Of course wingnuts will claim murdering an abortion performing doctor was necessary, burning a church of Satan was necessary, etc. Rightards fuck everything up. It would have to be handled case by case, but hopefully a jury of real people (not judges or lawyers)  would recognize real necessity.

Oh,  this is a good cartoon about people who hate 'brandon'

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52149642491_fb7953f2cf_k.jpg
*laughs in Rittenhouse*

Man, if necessity was allowable, we wouldn't even HAVE the arguments about self defense and the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 16, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 16, 2022, 01:32:34 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
In the post you quoted, I pointed out that the different types of inflation are combining into a perfect storm, and I specifically called out how oil prices affect both transportation and energy costs, and how that in turn affects the prices of everything that uses those services. And in a previous post just up the page, I made the very point that inflation is a tax on the poor, using very strong words. So you're literally repeating my points back at me, but being an asshole about it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on June 16, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
A tank of gas cost me $45 under Trump.  Under the current shitstain, it costs me double that. It's not that gas is scarcer or that more people want it. It's that the morons occupying the government actively went out of their way to make it harder to obtain the raw material or use the raw material. They shut down the Keystone XL pipeline. They have regulations that make it impossible to build new refineries. They arm Ukraine which guarantees that we'd never be able to buy oil from Russia if we needed to. Then they *demand* that refiners increase production.
That's sometimes called inflation, but it's useful to distinguish between that and monetary inflation. The rise in oil prices is really just a rise in the price of a particular commodity. It can have broad systemic effects, because every industry that needs to move things around or use energy will have to factor in the rise in the price of a barrel into their own prices. But monetary inflation is even more fundamental, because money isn't just a widely used commodity. It's the medium of exchange and the unit of record used to tally up all prices, so it affects literally everything in the economy.

We're seeing both. The money the banks have been keeping in their reserve accounts at the Fed (that's where most of the QE money went) is seeping out into the wider economy, causing a general rise in prices. And the fantastic array of supply chain fuck ups caused by the government, from the stacking height of containers in LA, to the pipeline bans, to the rescinded permits, to the staggering fallout of the pandemic shutdowns and paying people not to work, have led to rises in prices of relatively isolated products, like baby formula and eggs, as well as fundamental high order goods like energy and transportation.

It's a perfect storm of meddling and... I want to say incompetence, but that implies the default is competence. So call it a perfect storm of the normal effects of widespread government interference.

This is all nicely pedantic academic bloviating.  It doesn't change the basic equation for the average citizen.  Before FJB, let's say your take home pay was $1000 a week. Let's say you manage to save $50 a week in a rainy day fund. Yes, your $1,000/month mortgage stays the same, but when your fuel for your car costs double, it also means that fuel to run the trucks that deliver your food costs more; the fuel your electricity provider burns for it's fleet of utility service trucks goes up. The fuel that's it's railcars burn to bring coal to the power plant goes up.  They most surely pass that added cost on to the end consumer, which means your utilities bill also goes up, as does your grocery bill.

It's *all* tied together.  It doesn't matter if it is monetary inflation or if it is increased cost due to supply shrinkage of necessities where demand won't go down in response to increased costs - your $1,000 paycheck each week now gets you *less* than it did under Trump *and* you're not only not putting that$50 into your rainy day fund, you're dipping into it to make ends meet.

The elites don't care all that much because they've funded their lavish lifestyles by taking loans against the future value of their asset portfolio and they did so prior to inflation, so their whole lifestyle is essentially tied to the equivalent of a mortgage with an interest rate much lower than the current rate of inflation.
In the post you quoted, I pointed out that the different types of inflation are combining into a perfect storm, and I specifically called out how oil prices affect both transportation and energy costs, and how that in turn affects the prices of everything that uses those services. And in a previous post just up the page, I made the very point that inflation is a tax on the poor, using very strong words. So you're literally repeating my points back at me, but being an asshole about it.

Sorry about that - not my intent.  Rather, I was attempting to bring the conversation down to a level that even a mouth-breather could understand.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 16, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
Sorry about that - not my intent.  Rather, I was attempting to bring the conversation down to a level that even a mouth-breather could understand.
Appreciate it.

I think it's a valiant goal, because we desperately need a wider economic education. If we had politicians saying 2+2 = 5, or that evolution causes animals to go to sleep and wake up as a new species, most people know enough that they'd just look at them weirdly. But when it comes to economics, the wider public lacks that basic foundation, which lets politicians get away with making absurd claims or scapegoating, like blaming Russia for inflation (in the 1970s, they were blaming the unions) not the massive money printing and handouts, or that it was the pandemic not the lockdowns that caused all the damage to the economy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 17, 2022, 01:27:43 AM
Gotta eat more beans, you guys.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 27, 2022, 01:16:43 PM
Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 27, 2022, 01:40:11 PM
Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.
That's fairly accurate, though I don't think the strategic reserves are a significant factor. They're just too small to make any significant difference, so that's just publicity (similar to the token flights of baby food from Europe) designed to make it look like the politicians are doing something, even though they're not addressing any of the root issues.

Politicians love to scapegoat corporations for their own failures. And you can see who has the power in that equation, because how often do politicians demonize corporations vs. how often do corporations demonize politicians?

Though to be fair, while shutting down the pipeline and revoking permits in Alaska, as well as the general anti-petroleum rhetoric and the embargo of Russian fuel has been uniquely Biden, they were only the precipitating events. The root of the general inflation is the expansion of the monetary supply, and a lot of specific shortages are being caused by the supply chain problems that were induced by the government lockdowns of workers and so-called "non-essential" businesses. And Trump shares a lot of blame for that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 28, 2022, 07:48:14 AM
Gotta eat more beans, you guys.

 You spelled bugs wrong.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 29, 2022, 01:24:48 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 03:21:30 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 29, 2022, 03:39:00 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?
Because (drumroll):

Orange. Man. Bad.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 03:59:09 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.


Edit: Not changing my post, but it has misinformation in it, as noted in following posts, so be forewarned.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on June 29, 2022, 04:00:12 PM
 I wonder if these dumbasses realize all this shit does is trade orange man for Florida man, and Florida man is really, really going to piss them off.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 04:04:12 PM
I wonder if these dumbasses realize all this shit does is trade orange man for Florida man, and Florida man is really, really going to piss them off.

I wouldn't mind Florida man. Apart from the whole not giving power to localities thing I learned recently I mostly like him. That would be a good outcome. But I don't think he's running, I think he said he's going for Florida again.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 29, 2022, 04:12:33 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 04:16:10 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 05:02:10 PM
I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest.
Here are the 5 Republicans House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy selected for the January 6th Select Committee:
Jim Banks of Indiana
Jim Jordan of Ohio
Rodney Davis of Illinois
Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota
Troy Nehls of Texas
https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-selects-five-republicans-000235782.html

Here are the Republicans on the January 6th Select Committee:
Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
https://january6th.house.gov/about/membership

Notice a discrepancy? Yes, not a single person on the first list is on the committee.

Pelosi rejected two of the minority leader's picks for the select committee, including Banks (who was going to be the ranking member for the Republicans). This has never happened before, in the entire history of the institution. No Speaker has ever rejected the opposition party's choices to sit on a select committee. So rather than participate at all, McCarthy pulled the rest of the picks.

The two Republicans on the committee were picked by Pelosi. Cheney was picked before McCarthy submitted his picks.

This is 100% a partisan witch hunt. There is no cross-examination, and no contrary opinions are allowed. Everything is framed and presented to serve the political purposes of one party. It's pure propaganda.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/21/1018924596/nancy-pelosi-rejects-2-gop-picks-for-jan-6-inquiry-committee
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 05:06:33 PM
I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest.
Here are the 5 Republicans House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy selected for the January 6th Select Committee:
Jim Banks of Indiana
Jim Jordan of Ohio
Rodney Davis of Illinois
Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota
Troy Nehls of Texas
https://news.yahoo.com/kevin-mccarthy-selects-five-republicans-000235782.html

Here are the Republicans on the January 6th Select Committee:
Liz Cheney of Wyoming
Adam Kinzinger of Illinois
https://january6th.house.gov/about/membership

Notice a discrepancy? Not a single person on the first list is on the committee.

Pelosi rejected two of the minority leader's picks for the select committee, including Banks (who was going to be the ranking member). This has never happened before, in the entire history of the institution. So rather than participate at all, McCarthy pulled the rest of the picks.

The two Republicans on the committee were picked by Pelosi. Cheney was picked before McCarthy submitted his picks.

This is 100% a partisan witch hunt and propaganda. There is no cross-examination, and no contrary opinions are allowed. Everything is frame and presented to serve the political purposes of one party.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/21/1018924596/nancy-pelosi-rejects-2-gop-picks-for-jan-6-inquiry-committee

Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)

Agreed that this is a partisan witch hunt, though I think some seemed a bit valid to me, in part because I didn't get that. Feeling a little less angry and betrayed if it has been shown that the things I was upset about would have crumbled under cross examination or were invalid factually.

This is what I get for only watching snippets directly and relying on admittedly somewhat sketchier news sources and articles to summarize most of it. I will in retrospect advise a fair bit of what I said be consequently taken with more than just a grain of salt.

I do think I may have done some soundbiting in retrospect on paragraphs 3 and 4, also, too many topics touched on mostly briefly, some involving opinion or personal feelings/prospective feelings.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 29, 2022, 06:06:01 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal.

It seems strange that Putin ran out of money before the 2020 election.

Must have been saving it up for the Ukraine invasion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 06:19:55 PM
Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)
In the next paragraph, you claimed there were judicial reviews, and they were thrown out due to lack of evidence. No, nearly all were thrown out due to lack of standing, without making any judgment on the evidence.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 29, 2022, 06:28:49 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.
Even before every person who was there agreed to testify under oath it didn't happen, even before the person who supposedly told her the story agreed to testify under oath he didn't tell her that, even before someone looked up video footage from the day and realized it showed Trump in a completely different vehicle, it was still hearsay.

Why did every "news" organization run with it, as if it were an established fact and the Doom that Came to Trumpnath?

I think you're right and part of the problem is that the nature of political hearings is not as properly codified nor as genuinely valid as say a real court hearing according to our nation's laws and there-encoded values. Hearsay would not have made it into court to that degree. Not to say that our justice system's procedure is perfect, but still.

I also think that while they didn't want to legitimize it moreso than they did by appointing members of their own party to the committee and having them all be accepted, the Republicans could have made it a bipartisan inquiry and cross-examined, say, this witness and the validity of hearsay testimony. Or called for the Secret Service to be contacted and interviewed, though I will admit to some degree that they might have a conflict of interest. 

I was still pretty impressed up until this point that while the hearings were a political circus in nature (what do you expect, it's Congress), it arguably didn't slide fully into absurdity until around that point. I was actually surprised by a lot of things, and I now have to question whether a lot of people who asked for pardons on the hill were genuinely convinced the election was stolen. I even am starting to doubt Trump didn't understand things like the alternate elector plans and Pence changing the vote count were to some degree illegal and invalid given the legal advice and pardon requests he received. Which in turn could make me question whether the election fraud alleged to have so widely taken place by him was a lie. Which would make me very angry. On which note, we have many accounts of him having no statistical inference to point to during calls with folks on the hill we have dialogue on, and which more than 20 judicial reviews including the supreme court, especially given that many were ones he appointed, claimed he had no legitimate evidence. While some claims that were made against corporate products said corporations were able to find evidence of slander for potentially, and did not get their lawsuits just thrown out.

 I know it's not a popular opinion, but while this was a shit throwing circus act, with no real legal bearing because it's not a real court of law... I dunno, I'm glad it was shown most everywhere (yes, liberals, even Fox apart from day 1), even though I think media commentary was biased as ever. Because it gave me information and insight I didn't have, including much I feel can help inform the American public one way or another. Apart from relevant things I said I learned earlier, I think it showed there's not enough evidence to go to court, for one thing, either on the election being stolen or Trump trying to "incite insurrection". Both seem like political lies meant to divide America and sow mistrust in our democracy. Kinda like how maybe the Russians did help Trump a little in his first election with targeted email timing releases doing critical things to approval ratings, some blue voters *maybe* being kicked off digital voting waitlists in swing states, and troll farms and social media being brought into play... But that sure as hell doesn't make the win illegitimate. We pull that crap all the time, and in the end the voters decided by vote. And the electoral college exists for a reason, part of which is to protect state rights. I hate how both sides seem to love to smear not only each other but the democratic process our founders designed and so many damned people actively strive to monitor and protect to such a degree. I think we need stuff like Voter ID reform now, regardless of real impact on voter fraud, if only just to restore faith in the system on the right, where it's arguably most damaged in the moment. I also think the left needs to man up, comprehend, and deal with the good parts of the electoral college, states rights, the Constitution, and many other things. But that probably won't happen, because politicians in the establishment benefit from continuing to fling shit. Especially, I feel, on the left, because most of their platform these days is indeed "orange man bad".

That said the media also loves to stir up drama when it serves them, and is constantly pretending that this next thing is really what's going to sink political enemy whoever, because that's what viewers are willing and wanting to watch and hear. Sad that there's not as big an audience for relatively honest and unbiased news sources, but I guess consumers do admittedly have confirmation bias, this is a polarized time, and if folks really want some of the bigger picture they can at least try to shop around. Not to say it excuses some of the stuff that is pulled, admittedly on both sides.

Personally I like how you blame Russia for helping to get Trump elected even though Muller spent 2 years investigating it and failing to find any evidence while at the same time trusting the Supreme Court claims of no election fraud after they spent 0 days looking at the evidence.

Thumbs up!

Mueller was looking to see if Trump and co. took any illegal actions. He didn't, they didn't, apart from "having connections", so they found jack shit.

 Also pointed to Hillary email releases as things that hurt her candidacy, especially given the solid timing and effect on approval ratings. Would you say that hurt her and potentially helped Trump? Then even discounting some of the more complex operations or legal social media ones (and remember we do the same in various countries for a reason) I alluded to... Russia helped him get some votes.

 Who cares. It's perfectly legal to benefit from.

Also didn't like 7 major intelligence agencies including the findings of the Mueller Report say that the preponderance of evidence favored Russian interference in the election? (Which again, not illegal to benefit from, we interfere in a lot of elections, and many of those are still valid, and for those that aren't it has nothing to do with our interference, I'd say.)

 When we deny it and act like something like that both didn't happen and would be legally wrong to at all benefit from or would somehow invalidate our beliefs and the election outcome, I feel like the left wins its disingenuous ploy to make something that happened but was not at all wrong and illegal, out to somehow invalidate the election and be illegal.

It seems strange that Putin ran out of money before the 2020 election.

Must have been saving it up for the Ukraine invasion.

I mean, a lot of intelligence agencies still think he tried to do election stuff. Though a lot of it was no longer directly in support of Trump, even if some still seemed to be? Dunno, maybe he wanted a weak NATO but Trump actually was making progress for the US along some lines more broadly, so he started backing away from Trump support as "What a great plan!" That said I'm not him so I'll leave it to the analysts.

Like, according to them there also apparently may have been and probably were attempts to push polarization and also radical left wing candidates like Bernie Sanders. Possibly to weaken the US. That said, for this one I'm less informed, so this somewhat sketchy site and its sources may need to suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2020_United_States_elections

I think it's a waste, though, to pretend like it would tarnish the legitimacy of any election even if Trump had somehow won in part thanks to Russian assistance. Or to refuse to concede what seem like legit points in order to prove wrong something that wouldn't be illegal for happening. Because then the left has the fact that it happened, but we don't get to present that it doesn't matter, because by trying to deny some of the likely facts we make it seem like there's reason to be invested in whether or not it happened, and that reason is somehow related to our legitimacy and the legitimacy of Trump's first term in office.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Did you even read the article?
Quote from: The article you just cited
An unidentified Secret Service official told CNN that Ornato, who works for the Secret Service again and has disputed sworn testimony involving Trump before, denies telling Hutchinson that story, and that agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident, as described, didn't happened.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:40:07 PM
Alright, I admit to being misinformed on that. I was totally wrong on that section. Hopefully I didn't screw up the rest quite as badly. (I heard Trump was angry at McCarthy for not doing a bipartisan panel and not putting pro-Trump folk on the committee. Didn't understand it was really Pelosi.)
In the next paragraph, you claimed there were judicial reviews, and they were thrown out due to lack of evidence. No, nearly all were thrown out due to lack of standing, without making any judgment on the evidence.

I feel like they were looked at and from what I understand found wanting, in presentation and in some cases with reference to substance and lack of evidence or solid claims as stated by some judges. (Which is not just all standing, I feel.) They also have had plenty of time to figure out standing and the like, I'd guess, and the results have been more or less the same in the 60+ total in like the entire year+ following. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/30/trumps-judicial-campaign-to-upend-the-2020-election-a-failure-but-not-a-wipe-out/ So that to me indicates that perhaps there were content issues as well.

I do not believe I made any reference to standing or where within the process precisely these attempts were thrown out originally, but if you lack evidence, whether of standing to present a case or that something happened... That's lacking evidence, to my mind. That said, maybe I'm using the definition poorly, and not doing a good job with it, in which case yeah, now that I think of it that's on me. EDIT: Looked back and my phrasing would affiliate with Pat's use of the term more than mine currently, so that actually was a bad statement on my part.

Regardless, I think my point is that it seems to me unlikely that so many courts, so many red or Trump affiliated too, would counter that many lawsuits, even after they had time to figure out how to bring standing, if the majority were not false or did not have proper and vigorous legal legs to stand on. And I do admittedly feel, even if all had been standing, standing matters. Especially when the right leaning judges in many cases had a political reason to rule in favor if they could, and assumably did not because they cared about the letter of the law among other things, which determines in part whether an election may be declared invalid or illegal or altered through court of law. From my perspective and admittedly pretty sketch legal understanding.

Not an expert, but that is my understanding.

Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 06:43:52 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight
Did you even read the article?
Quote from: The article you just cited
An unidentified Secret Service official told CNN that Ornato, who works for the Secret Service again and has disputed sworn testimony involving Trump before, denies telling Hutchinson that story, and that agents involved are prepared to testify under oath that the incident, as described, didn't happened.

Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:15:44 PM
Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
The article seems to have decided Trump is guilty, and is going to proclaim that regardless of the evidence the rest of the article provides.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 08:29:46 PM
Yeah, I didn't really get it either. Maybe he meant the random Twitter link towards the end on "both corroborated"? https://twitter.com/JustSchmeltzer/status/1541922719603666944 Allegedly Trump and Engel confirmed some of what was said, but not the lunge or I think possibly also key details like the ride(?!), according to random twitter people we maybe shouldn't trust or use as a primary news source. So IDK, kinda questionable, though it may be what he meant.
The article seems to have decided Trump is guilty, and is going to proclaim that regardless of the evidence the rest of the article provides.

Sadly true. I'll concur/concede. I think partisan media in general sometimes ignores the implications/the holistic rammifications of the very facts they peddle. Generally once they decide to vilify they will vilify by using what they have. And the left hates the color orange with a passion. Just associate yourself with it a little bit and in comes the contagion heuristic. It's kind of a failure, the extent to which Biden has to rely on Trump hate over genuine love of his agenda. Or yanno, having a sensible and cohesive agenda that actually does what he says it does.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:36:14 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 08:42:56 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 08:55:49 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
I revise my previous rating. On a scale of 1 to 10, you're about a -5.

It's not evidence. It's basically whether you're the party who the lawsuit claims was harmed. You (normally) can't sue someone for harming a third party, for instance, and if you try they'll throw it out without looking at whether anyone was actually harmed. For instance, the recent case where Texas challenged the elections in Pennsylvania and a couple other states was "denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot." They didn't look at whether there were problems with the elections, they just said you haven't explained why it's any of your business, Texas.

Standing is a pre-emptory dismissal, and in a lot of the election fraud lawsuits, you could argue the judges just didn't want to touch the lawsuits, so they dismissed them inappropriately, or on weak grounds. But either way, the cases weren't decided on their merits.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 09:03:07 PM
Edit: I was kind of an ass in the first draft of this, and it shows even after I've tried to clean it up to be less hostile and jerkish over being called out on what was at a bare minimum somewhat my own mistake. What's worse, when you were calmly and reasonably pointing out a mistake I genuinely made in the statements I gave, after I more or less, looking at what you quoted there, asked what else I screwed up after point number one you rightfully called me out on. Anyway I don't think the kind of hostility and occasional language I used in emphatically "making my points" was needed, or deserved. But I was also an asshole, and that should be preserved through this edit, even as I issue an apology. (For the specifics, I used "and shit" instead of and the like, as an example, was a lot more emphatic in my stances and certain/thereby self-righteous in my assertions. Spammed capital letters, to give an idea of how obnoxious I was. That said... Never cussed you out, insulted you personally or the like, but was still unpleasant and not very diplomatic. Trust when I say that annoying though what I have may be, it reads better without the emphasis.)
On a scale of 1 to 10 of assholery on this site, I doubt you rated higher than a 1.01.

Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

Well, thanks for being kind about it. You didn't have to be.

Kinda like deciding if you're a legit plaintiff/alleged victim or whatever. So not the evidence of did it happen, but rather the evidence of were you (specifically and in a way that is reparable to the court (?)) harmed. If I get that right.
I revise my previous rating. On a scale of 1 to 10, you're about a -5.

It's not evidence. It's basically whether you're the party who the lawsuit claims was harmed. You (normally) can't sue someone for harming a third party, for instance, and if you try they'll throw it out without looking at whether anyone was actually harmed. For instance, the recent case where Texas challenged the elections in Pennsylvania and a couple other states was "denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot." They didn't look at whether there were problems with the elections, they just said you haven't explained why it's any of your business, Texas.

Standing is a pre-emptory dismissal, and in a lot of the election fraud lawsuits, you could argue the judges just didn't want to touch the lawsuits, so they dismissed them inappropriately, or on weak grounds. But either way, the cases weren't decided on their merits.

So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 29, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
It's clear the judges don't want to touch it. They've basically deferred their authority to the executive branch.

Though looking over the cases (it's been a while), standing was only one of the reasons used to dismiss cases without looking at the evidence. There were also dismissed for timing (laches), lack of jurisdiction, and because it wasn't enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 29, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
So the states with allegedly the voter fraud would basically need to bring the lawsuit against themselves or the vote counters or whoever is being accused. Which they likely wouldn't do in the first case cuz if they did the counting they probably think they did it right. Even though it would allow the nation some peace for them to let the judicial system take a look. Or Trump would need to bring it. Or it would need to be like enough states to argue a compelling interest for a lot of the nation being harmed, or something. Or the federal government, for whatever reason, or at least the former trump administration, would need to say that either in the first case they felt harmed by electoral fraud lies or in the latter case electoral fraud. Why don't they do this, then? Ignorant though that question may perhaps be.
It's clear the judges don't want to touch it. They've basically deferred their authority to the executive branch.

Though looking over the cases (it's been a while), standing was only one of the reasons used to dismiss cases without looking at the evidence. There were also dismissed for timing (laches), lack of jurisdiction, and because it wasn't enough to make a difference.

That mostly checks out, I guess. Pity few wanted to at least try a broad review. But I guess is what it is, and some may have felt like they were doing what they were legally supposed to do all things considered.

Speaking of failures, maybe Biden should have wound up doing more to look into or rather have neutral judicial reviews look into, the alleged fraud and that kind of thing. Especially if some are deferring authority and initiative towards his direction. Guess it might have politically backfired, but I feel like there could have actually been some degree of reconciliation if they found in his favor. And if not, who wants to be an illegitimate president? (Rhetorical question, though probably a lot of politicians these days.)

Hell, could have at least tried to rule more as a moderate/from the center all things considered. I blame a lot of the lack of bipartisan cooperation on him not living up to his original aisle-crossing portrayal, and rather doing the opposite.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 29, 2022, 11:37:54 PM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 30, 2022, 01:09:34 AM
Incidentally, "standing" in a legal sense basically means "shut up, this doesn't affect you". It doesn't involve weighing the evidence, just whether you specifically are allowed to bring the suit.

"Standing" in a legal sense means the Judge just does not want to hear your case.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on June 30, 2022, 01:10:06 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

There is no way that he can step that high.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on June 30, 2022, 01:15:55 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

To be fair, that article, while admittedly seeming somewhat biased, did contain at least some links that supported his points. So I wouldn’t exactly call it that bad.

That said, still feel like Ghostmaker probably has the right of it, ultimately, in that she was not a very good witness and kinda seemed a bit absurd in some of her hearsay, even if parts have potentially been confirmed as Battlemaster’s article notes… Other parts have been directly contradicted.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on June 30, 2022, 06:09:12 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 30, 2022, 06:43:02 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.

Potential dictator? Like Biden and his economy crippling executive orders? Like Biden ignoring his entire military staff and then blaming them when he pulls troops out of Afghanistan and leaving several billion dollars worth of military equipment behind for terrorists to confiscate?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2022, 08:13:43 AM
Biden succeeded in keeping Trump from getting a second term. Trump hired former general Michael flynn as his nqtionalbsecurity adviser. After trumps loss in 2020, flynn,  a former general who had taken an oath to defend tbe constitution, advised trump to do the following:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president's options.


The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.
I don't think you want to start invoking oaths, considering how many politicians wipe their asses with the oath they take to preserve the Constitution on a regular basis. Especially considering the behavior of certain states regarding recent SCOTUS rulings.

“William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!”

(from A Man For All Seasons)

Still wanna play with that chainsaw, Battle-buddy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on June 30, 2022, 09:44:52 AM
Good God, could we get some actual competence in our opponents for once?

The January 6th show trial and ritual castigation just slid headlong into absurdity, with that silly bint Cassidy Hutchinson blathering about how Trump attacked his Secret Service detail and tried to take the wheel of the vehicle he was in.

Except the Secret Service is saying, 'Uh, no, that never happened and we'll testify under oath it didn't'.

There were so many logical errors in this story, it's like they sat around and cooked up the dumbest thing they could throw at the mean ol' Orange Man, and then ran with it.

Uh, no.

https://theweek.com/donald-trump/1014743/trump-secret-service-agent-corroborated-main-elements-of-bombshell-jan-6-fight

And once again, you step on your dick. Flattening it even more.

To be fair, that article, while admittedly seeming somewhat biased, did contain at least some links that supported his points. So I wouldn’t exactly call it that bad.

That said, still feel like Ghostmaker probably has the right of it, ultimately, in that she was not a very good witness and kinda seemed a bit absurd in some of her hearsay, even if parts have potentially been confirmed as Battlemaster’s article notes… Other parts have been directly contradicted.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.  Only a fool would trust a liar to be telling the truth, just because that part hasn't been proven false... yet.  That or someone who really wants the lies to be true...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on June 30, 2022, 10:05:38 AM
The fact that Biden got a potential dictator out of the white house alobg with people like flynn was a great victory.
Not yet, but maybe in 2024.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 01, 2022, 09:33:48 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 01, 2022, 10:13:45 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!

So, my points were not really about the Keystone Pipeline, I feel, at least not in and of itself. More about Biden seeming out of touch with how his own decisions and stated positions may have caused the fossil fuel industry to think it was a good idea not to expand. I'm well aware that oil is producing more or less at current capacity, that's why I quoted 90%+ production capacity as a number. Oil, I feel, would have trouble expanding fast enough to make an immediate impact on gas prices, I'll agree. But fracking maybe coulda done it because most of a fracking station's output happens in the first year or so of its life, I think? Biden tried to ban it on Federal land, though he also backed out at the last second and kinda sold out liberals. I also think he's trying to lay blame at the feet of corporations for not exercising artificial supply controls as a segue into questionable uses of executive power to attempt to do just that. Which brings up the point that I am often skeptical of executive power, since it seems to me a lot like individual autocracy, and I don't really trust many/any(?) of the would-be presidents of the future on either side not to abuse that kind of power, as well as being skeptical of command economies in general, and not thinking oil companies can really produce much more at this point in time, in which case trying to command them to increase supply like Biden is hinting he might do is a bit pointless.

Admittedly though, the strategic reserves probably aren't big enough that promising to buy back into them at a set price would make much of a difference to expansion incentives unless we really expanded them, which would cost perhaps a bit too much and last only so long before us having to buy in again. So on that point I was wrong. Also, while I did blame inflation somewhat on Biden and his inability to handle transportation issues and promoted COVID supply incentives leading to shortages, as well as the Fed raising rates too slowly... Those rates were only that low in part because of Trump, who also doubled the deficit and printed some money (I think, not as sure on the latter), and Trump according to Pat (better informed than me on some of this and more capable of explaining it) had a big hand in the shortages as well. So it's not just Biden's failure, but I feel there is at least a little blame and limited competence to go around to him too.

So that's kinda where I was coming from. Don't feel like I was lying, and here's roughly what I posted:


Speaking of failures, I know the people behind this article are to some degree invested in making it a Biden hit piece, but it still kinda scares me as regards his authoritarian tendencies and seeming incompetence. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-threatens-oil-companies-emergency-powers-supply-inflation

Firstly, we are not a command economy, so using emergency powers to control private production is kinda sketch.

Secondly, Biden has been hostile to oil expansion from the start, they couldn't expand that fast even if his policies like "carbon neutral by 2035" weren't signaling them not to, and despite this they are already at well over 90% theoretical production capacity, and he sent signals to the fracking industry that prevented them (the only ones who could ramp up supply fast enough) from feeling safe enough to expand by doing things like trying to ban fracking on federal lands.

And refused to do things like promise to buy back into the strategic reserves necessary for our security, that he continues to deplete to boost polling numbers, if prices fall low as a result of such expansion. When supply goes up, prices go down, and then you have to deal with any overexpansion. He has done nothing to convince them to expand, and is now threatening to force it (with oil, which can't do it, rather than fracking, which could actually handle some of it) when that (total lack of negotiation and effort) won't work.

It also feels to me like he's lying and covering for his own inflation and fossil fuel incompetence by trying to pin the blame on oil companies America relies on, and that are often unnecessarily demonized to begin with. Fail.

So a little hostile towards Biden, but mainly on the grounds that I thought he was being deceptive and/or incompetent in this particular area. Which to be fair, I think the average American is pretty skeptical he can handle inflation and gas prices at this point in time. I had hoped we'd get more out of him, just as I always hope the current president will make things better for America, even when I don't agree with them. That said, I think to some extent who can we hold accountable if not our political and economic leaders in times like these.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 01, 2022, 10:17:48 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 01, 2022, 10:25:41 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 01, 2022, 11:57:43 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

Yes yes, I know that speculation is a large lar ofgas pricing, and should be regulated or eliminated you pompus ass.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbooksauthors/2021/01/25/factors-that-influence-pricing-of-oil-and-gas/?sh=2ebe50dc338d#:~:text=%20Speculation%20gets%20a%20lot%20of%20the%20blame,the%20demand%20for%20crude%20oil%20affects%20overall%20pricing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 12:46:16 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

Yes yes, I know that speculation is a large lar ofgas pricing, and should be regulated or eliminated you pompus ass.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbooksauthors/2021/01/25/factors-that-influence-pricing-of-oil-and-gas/?sh=2ebe50dc338d#:~:text=%20Speculation%20gets%20a%20lot%20of%20the%20blame,the%20demand%20for%20crude%20oil%20affects%20overall%20pricing.
Don't call people shitheads if you can't take a little heat, Princess.

You literally linked to an article that lists:
1) supply
2) demand
3) quality
4) speculation
Seriously, it lists supply & demand. That's... beyond rudimentary. It's not Economics 101. It's the first minute of Economics 101.

And how exactly would you regulate or eliminate speculation? Because speculation is how the market efficiently allocates resources. If one oil company decides there's a huge potential in a particular pipeline, then they'll invest billions in infrastructure like developing oil fields and building out ports. The investors are betting those huge investments will pay off in nice profits, but that's in the distant future. And it's that kind of forward-thinking and investment of resources over a long time that creates market efficiency, and will drive prices down. The current price is based on a time-depreciated estimate of future earnings.

But if you have a jackass like Biden who keeps canceling pipelines and permits, guess what happens? Nobody invests. Or they invest a lot less. Or they wait until the future profits are much much higher, because it's not just time-depreciated. It also factors in risk, and the risk has dramatically increased.

It's Biden's fault.

Read. At. Least. One. Book. On. Economics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 12:58:55 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Yes, people have different time preferences, which is the amount they discount the value of a dollar in the future compared to the value of a dollar today. The price of that time preference is the interest rate. Capital investment is how today's dollars are turned into a larger number of future dollars. By investing in resources today, goods can be produced more efficiently, and that's how wealth grows.

One of the standard examples is Robinson Crusoe. If he needs water, he can walk to the stream, and cup is hands, and take a drink. But if he has to walk a significant distance, then he has to spend a lot of resources (time) to get a single drink. But if he takes a half an hour to climb a tree and cut a coconut in half, he now has a cup, and can bring some water with him. Since he no longer has to walk back and forth to the stream every time he wants a drink, it takes less time (resources) to get a drink of water. But he has to spend that time to get the coconut cup in the first place, i.e. he needs to invest some of his time now to get water more efficiently in the future. Greater investments of capital (his time) could lead to a bucket, or even a plumbing system that brings the water into his shack.

The longer and more roundabout the methods of production, the richer a society becomes. The time preference of a society (i.e. how much they save) determines how much capital they save to invest in more complex means of production.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 01:14:35 AM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!
The market prices future expected events into current prices. It's why exotic concepts you've probably never heard of, like "interest", exist.

Before you embarrass yourself yet again, why not read at least one book on economics.
https://fee.org/media/14946/economicsinonelesson.pdf

I had heard it was gonna be like a bit less than 10%of our total amount of oil exports, and like 5% of total production. So not nothing. Though I hear there's also something called a discount rate or something that determines what future reductions in gas prices are worth in present day dollars that would make it worth a little less to the market or something. (Though IDK how much less. Not something I've looked into yet. I do want to read that book at some point, but haven't yet.)
Yes, people have different time preferences, which is the amount they discount the value of a dollar in the future compared to the value of a dollar today. The price of that time preference is the interest rate. Capital investment is how today's dollars are turned into a larger number of future dollars. By investing in resources today, goods can be produced more efficiently, and that's how wealth grows.

One of the standard examples is Robinson Crusoe. If he needs water, he can walk to the stream, and cup is hands, and take a drink. But if he has to walk a significant distance, then he has to spend a lot of resources (time) to get a single drink. But if he takes a half an hour to climb a tree and cut a coconut in half, he now has a cup, and can bring some water with him. Since he no longer has to walk back and forth to the stream every time he wants a drink, it takes less time (resources) to get a drink of water. But he has to spend that time to get the coconut cup in the first place, i.e. he needs to invest some of his time now to get water more efficiently in the future. Greater investments of capital (his time) could lead to a bucket, or even a plumbing system that brings the water into his shack.

The longer and more roundabout the methods of production, the richer a society becomes. The time preference of a society (i.e. how much they save) determines how much capital they save to invest in more complex means of production.

The Crusoe analogy works well for me in helping me understand this, actually. Especially how him investing more time leads to more future improvement. I've heard that because their needs are mostly day to day, the poor help drive consumption. So I heard that a good form of economic stimulus if consumption is down is to try to help the poor through tax cuts or food stamps or welfare or subsidies or whatever, because if you give them a way or incentive to spend then they usually will. Though I guess the flip to that is that because they need the money now it might be harder for them to save or invest. Is that part of the idea behind trickle down economics or at least the alternate speculation (?) of the middle class as an engine of growth? Basically don't help the poor now but have the money and economic growth to theoretically do it later if they can survive the meantime?

Also, I could've sworn Biden promised money to the middle class and economic growth. Does that then mean he's making a compromise to some extent on aiding the poor, because of the above reasoning, just not admitting it? Seems kinda duplicitous if so and he isn't acknowledging that. (Though to be fair, dunno if the average American could really follow along in a complex economic plan, and in fact I'm not 100% sure I myself understand even the basics of what he promised, per se.) Also don’t rich people invest a lot? If so, wouldn’t targeting them be anti-growth? Kinda seems like he’s claiming we can have our cake and eat it too.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 02, 2022, 02:21:26 AM
The Crusoe analogy works well for me in helping me understand this, actually. Especially how him investing more time leads to more future improvement. I've heard that because their needs are mostly day to day, the poor help drive consumption. So I heard that a good form of economic stimulus if consumption is down is to try to help the poor through tax cuts or food stamps or welfare or subsidies or whatever, because if you give them a way or incentive to spend then they usually will. Though I guess the flip to that is that because they need the money now it might be harder for them to save or invest. Is that part of the idea behind trickle down economics or at least the alternate speculation (?) of the middle class as an engine of growth? Basically don't help the poor now but have the money and economic growth to theoretically do it later if they can survive the meantime?

Also, I could've sworn Biden promised money to the middle class and economic growth. Does that then mean he's making a compromise to some extent on aiding the poor, because of the above reasoning, just not admitting it? Seems kinda duplicitous if so and he isn't acknowledging that. (Though to be fair, dunno if the average American could really follow along in a complex economic plan, and in fact I'm not 100% sure I myself understand even the basics of what he promised, per se.) Also don’t rich people invest a lot? If so, wouldn’t targeting them be anti-growth? Kinda seems like he’s claiming we can have our cake and eat it too.
The argument for savings comes from classical, i.e. traditional economics. The consumption argument comes from Keynes, who argued that economic downturns are caused by a failure in public confidence. As people worry about the future, so they start to put money in savings accounts rather than spending. Since money flows from hand to hand through the economy, when someone feels insecure and pulls money out of the system, this takes money out of the hands of other people who would have otherwise received the money. And those people in turn will start to hoard money (lowering aggregate demand), which collectively will lead to an economic slump. The solution he proposed is for the central government to spend lots of money, increasing confidence by buying services and things, thereby putting money into people's hands, who will put it into new hands by spending it, thereby kickstarting the flow of money again. Basically, the idea is that it's all psychological and the technocrats can smooth out economic cycles by manipulating the money supply. This is the belief held by mainstream (new Keynsian) economists, like those of the Fed. In this theory, consumption is key.

In contrast, the Austrians think that's nonsense. (This is the view of pretty much anyone who criticizes the Fed.) They believe the boom-bust business cycle is caused by monetary inflation (printing money), which leads people to think there's more real wealth in the economy than there really is, resulting in them throwing lots of money at marginal investments. But since printing money doesn't actually increase the amount of wealth in the economy, this leads to a crash as people realize they've overextended themselves, and they have pull their resources out of the bad investments and put it to more efficient use. Recessions are needed to reallocate resources, and if they're not allowed to happen (say by printing even more money), then even more resources become misallocated and the eventual and inevitable crash will be even bigger. In this theory, production is key.

These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on July 02, 2022, 07:17:50 AM
These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
It's the perfect time for Fear the Boom and Bust: Keynes vs. Hayek - The Original Economics Rap Battle! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on July 02, 2022, 12:25:05 PM
Pssst!  Hey, all you fucktards blaming Biden for gas prices?

Guess what, shitheads?  THE FUCKING KEYSTONE PIPELINE WASN'T GOING TO BE FINISHED AND ONLINE UNTIL 2030 IN ANY CASE!

NOW STOP LIEING ABOUT GAS PRICES!!!

By that standard, shouldn't gas prices have been just as high under Trump?  But they weren't.  Gas was about $2.00 per gallon.  (As a side note,  Americans could not only find peanut butter on their grocery store shelves, they could afford to buy a jar of it).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2022, 12:36:29 PM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 02, 2022, 04:08:47 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficient and effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks and found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would be overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fucking corporate pigs would oink and squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense of duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)




Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 04:39:45 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.

Former MM2 (nuc) nodding in agreement.

USS Nimitz (CVN-68). S8G Prototype. You?

EDIT: What do you think of the new Thorium reactor designs for civilian use?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:42:28 PM
Ghost maker, pay close attention to this as I am likely to only say it once.

I.       Agreeee.         Www wit h.      Yyyy ooooooooooou.

God that was hard to type.

Yeah, I'm a hard leftist who is agnostic and still hopes there is an appropriate hell for Trump and his followers, I support green energy and eating the rich. I also know green energy is still not ready for prime time . So I support a large scale new nuclear deal program until green energy or fusion is good to go.

I've wanted to see an all new nuclear energy program in America for decades. It would be based on the worlds oldest, safest,  most efficierbt abd effective nuclear energy program on earth, which America has access too.

It's called the United States Navy.

The usn had the first nuclear powered vessel, USS Nautilus. In 70 years there has never been a serious nuclear incident involving a USN operated nuclear reactor. In two cases where nuclear subs sank due to non Nuclear ssues the navy has monitored the wrecks abd found radiation containment is functioning even under the worst case scenario.

I'd love to see a. National nuclear energy program ran by the navy with as many. Nuclear trained naval personnel as possible overseeing it. Private business could compete for contracts under it, but would sign aggreements. Placing them under military authority if they want those profits.

Designs would be strictly overseen and reviewed by naval trained nuclear experts. Construction would ve overseen by naval engineers and ANY graft investigated by the JAG of the navy. Anyone caught grafting gets sent to leavenworth or another military prison ran by the finest R. Lee Ermy brand sadistic assholes the USMC could muster.


I'm willing to bet that people who've done a military career just might understand words like duty and honor. Not all of them, but more then you find in corporate America.

Plants would be run as much as possible by former or current naval nuclear trained personnel. If civilian employees are required they'd be screened and trained by naval standards abd subject to near militiary discipline.

Security would be serious and provided my either USMC personnel or people screened, trained and certified by them, also agreeing to military discipline.

But of course it can't happen. The fuckibg corporate pigs would oink abd squeal about government control of businesses, and their republiscum politicians would have it declared unconstitutional.

Nuclear power could be wonderful for America, but corporate America has proven itself to greedy, selfish and corrupt to be entrusted with anything that powerful and dangerous. To do it right we need people with a sense if duty, honor and loyalty to America's interests.

So I'd turn it over to the squids and the jarheads.  ;)

  You post all this, and have complete ignorance as to what you do not know.  All Nuclear power plants in the USA are staffed with ex Navy Nucs, probably between 50-90+ percent of the people there.   Plants in the USA are the same basic design as Navy ship board plants, (insofar as overall safety and methodology to control reactor power and materials).    This was the go to job after a 6-8 year enlistment for Nucs.   the NRC has many people also from the USN.   Green people, like you, who know jack shit about who is working in the power plants, how nuclear power works, etc are the MAIN reason the industry has been more or less killed in the USA.   What you suggest as a genius move...is what has been going on in the Nuclear power industry almost since it was a thing.   Lack of trained and experienced personnel is not the problem for Nuclear power in the USA.   The problem is 4th rate lawyers who know jack shit about science end up making the rules for engineering minded competent people.   But good to see this suggestion thing but 50 years ago called and told me you are trying to steal ideas.

Former MM2 (nuc) nodding in agreement.

USS Nimitz (CVN-68). S8G Prototype. You?

   George Washington, prototype in Charleston (honestly cant remember a pet name for that sweet sub bolted to the pier), and I too was a knuckle dragger.  (edited to add: from memory I am pretty sure Washington was CVN-73, but those days are cloudy to me now).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 04:58:21 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 02, 2022, 05:20:56 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!


  You, are a fucking idiot.  The NRC is more or less the military both in personnel composition and standards.  3 Mile island did not fail due to some graft or weakness or corruption.  A FUCKING PRESSURE RELIEF CHECK VAVLE WAS STUCK OPEN FOR OVER 9 HOURS and NOONE BOTHERED TO CHECK IT as the light was known to malfunction, despite a roving watch that is supposed to check that area of the site every hour.   The people failed badly, and almost all of them former military and all of them under EXTREMELY strict standards and regulations.  You just have no fucking idea what you are talking about here.   The same people designing the navy reactors design and supply the civilian ones (GE is your god).  So yes it is super clear you are just an idiot.  I suggest keep ranting about hating people that love jesus, it seems more your intellectual speed.   
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 05:33:43 PM
  Regarding trying to use the UCMJ to govern civilians and their work lives.....good fucking luck getting anyone to sign up for that. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 05:49:00 PM
Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!

Dance, monkey! Dance!

This is why you get mocked so much. You are convinced of your own self-importance, except you have no real grasp of the issue you talk about. You have talking points, not deep understanding. You have news bites, but not the experience of working with the subject matter. You claim to be a Bill Maher democrat, but Bill Maher was a mouthpiece blurting out the same idiocy and Trump Derangement Syndrome that you do until it personally affected him - then that sleeper awakened from the woke. You are struggling with the woke nightmare, but you have yet to awaken from it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 05:50:51 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 06:05:59 PM
These two views aren't compatible. If it sounds complex or confusing, it's because because this is well beyond basic economics and into the conflict between two major schools of thought in economics.
It's the perfect time for Fear the Boom and Bust: Keynes vs. Hayek - The Original Economics Rap Battle! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk)

This and its sequel were amazing. And now I’m a bit more motivated to try and get through the 3 books I was recommended in order to understand the more complex mechanics and actual math/research behind these schools. I want to throw hands too! Just have to figure out who I should be supporting, I guess.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 02, 2022, 06:10:22 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

   Thanks. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 02, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 02, 2022, 11:59:51 PM
  I am not sure what to make of the Thorium designs as my only real reading was over a year ago in an article discussing China going hard into it.  I remember supposedly being lower radiation, but past that I can't remember details that stuck out strongly (maybe a different coolant than water) and no data on power production.  Any good articles you would recommend?   A buddy of mine who worked in a plant till 2 years ago worked in a hydrogen fire plant after leaving (he saw the industry was being killed off and no new plants on the horizon), and he seemed to think if people want clean and disposable that might be as close as human kind is going to get.

I'll post some in a bit. I've got to shower and get to a game I'm running tonight!

   Thanks.

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/thorium.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

The wikipedia article has some good links attached to it along with a basic overview.

https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html

Of particular interest to me was the section on Thorium Myths.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 12:02:17 AM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

Biden’s finally tossing nuclear a minor bone, but still not pushing expansion and way less supportive of it than other “green” power types. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-admin-launches-6-bln-nuclear-power-credit-program-2022-04-20/

Feels like he’s just doing it to say he did “something” without acknowledging that it’s not nearly enough. Where are the tax cuts and subsidies solar gets? Where is his alleviation of the masses’ foolish and mostly baseless fear of nuclear? Where are the acknowledgements of power grid realities and the like that Ghostmaker brought up?

Also, cool to hear the navy has such an active hand in this area’s personnel and expertise. Not sure how we can leverage that, but would be cool if we could figure out a way to revive nuclear and that fact was part of the selling points.

I don't expect more out of Biden than token efforts. He is propped up by the same Greens that propped up Obama, and Greens have been terrified of nuclear since their inception.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Jaeger on July 03, 2022, 03:45:59 AM
See, here's the best part. The whole 'we must move to green energy' is just an extension of the grift that was running under Obama.

Because for all the talk about windmills and solar and whatnot, notice they don't discuss power transmission/distribution. What do you think will happen to the current grid if we all plug electric cars into it?

Yeah. It's gonna pop. Once again, supply and demand: if your power demand outstrips your supply and capability to deliver, you're gonna have a bad time.

They COULD have addressed this with crash nuclear construction programs. But you see, that's not the game. The game is to make sure the elite have power -- literally and figuratively -- while the proles are devolved back to practically pre-industrial lifestyles.

(https://c.tenor.com/ovbytB2ncZ4AAAAM/this-guy-gets-it-nick-offerman.gif)

The Biden administration did not give an explanation after it missed its own deadline to plan future oil and gas lease sales Thursday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-misses-major-oil-lease-deadline-an-absolute-disgrace/ar-AAZ4RPp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ddc0a96900d94a838c518fef24e73441

This is intentional sabotage.

Exhibit A:

CNN: "What do you say to those families that say, 'listen, we can't afford to pay $4.85 a gallon for months, if not years?’"

BIDEN ADVISOR BRIAN DEESE: "This is about the future of the Liberal World Order and we have to stand firm."
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1542684948519419908


"...We must understand that our rulers are traitors of our Nation who are devoted to the elimination of populations, and that all of their actions are carried out in order to cause the greatest amount of harm to citizens. It is not a problem of inexperience or inability but rather of an intentio nocendi – a deliberate intention to harm. Honest citizens find it inconceivable that those who govern them could do it with the perverse intention of undermining and destroying them, so much so that they find it very hard to believe. The main cause of this very serious problem is found in the corruption of authority along with the resigned obedience of those who are governed."

"Nothing that the wicked do is going to “work” in the traditional sense, nothing is going to function “properly”, because they actually seek to manage the inevitable collapse of their evil order in a form that will permit them to retain their influence, fancy pants, and lollipops."



In other news:

A vegan burger made to taste like Human Meat received an AWARD in Cannes.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/vegan-burger-hyped-for-tasting-like-human-meat-wins-award/

How do they know what human meat tastes like?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 10:43:24 AM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 11:45:29 AM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 03, 2022, 12:24:54 PM
Reason is not dead here yet.

Although you are certainly trying to kill it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on July 03, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on July 03, 2022, 02:52:01 PM
When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

I agree that it's a problem, but it's a problem that the world has *always* had. In the past, it was oligarchs like the Rockefellers, the Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Hearsts who dominated public policy.

Going back further in the past, you had corporations like the British East India company who literally ruled India, or the Dole corporation who conquered the Kingdom of Hawaii.

I agree that the best way out of this is supporting anti-corporate politicians, but the mainstream of both parties is moved by corporations - because they control public opinion to a large degree. We need more voters who are willing to accept inconvenience and hardship in order to resist corporate domination, and elect in primaries and local races politicians who don't support corporate control.

And it's always a question of lesser evil. The best way is to start with local races like mayor and city council. There is exactly one member of my city council whom I support, for example.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.

Damn, reasonable people are posting all over today. Must be the season for them. I'm behind your view here pretty much completely.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 03:51:50 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 04:37:43 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.

It helps you to agree with a post when the poster makes a cogent point in a fair and reasonable, non offensive tone.   8)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 04:48:33 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

Classical liberalism ran into some problems in the post ww2 era. Nuclear weapons changed the world. It was foreseeable that nations could be utterly destroyed quickly within tge dominf few decades. This mandated a much stronger military with nuclear deterrent capacity, which mandated a strong central authority to maintain nuclear security.

Also globalization made a unified government for America necessary as we could not have each state deciding how to deal with foreign governments. Now that foreign nations could pose a more dangerous threat faster than before again, a centralized power was needed more than ever before.

Also globalization and automation changed socioeconomic dynamics heavily. With unemployment caused by both you needed social liberalism to deal with the changing dynamics.

The definition of liberalism has had to evolve in the post ww2 reality.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 03, 2022, 05:12:31 PM
Everything you need to know about the UN can be summed up by the fact that China can sit on the Human Rights Council.

The UN stopped as many wars as the League of Nations did.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 03, 2022, 05:16:29 PM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

There are certainly adverse and even sinister consequences, but there are also positive ones. The core institution is the UN, and by creating a forum where countries can vent their grievances and where they regularly just sit down and talk, it defuses tensions, reduces mistakes, and humanizes the opposition. It generally promotes free trade by providing a set of standards and a means of resolving disputes. This has interlinked world economies, which again reduces conflicts, because hurting your trade partners hurts you. That's been a major plus, because while there's been a lot of smaller and internal wars, there haven't been any of the global conflagrations that marked the first half of the 20th century.

Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. With the diminishment of religion in many of the leading states, there's been a tendency to transfer that sentiment to national ideals and ideologies, including the idea of a unified world order, which has sacralized these institutions. Which of course if absurd, because they represent all countries, which leads to inevitable and natural absurdities like putting China and Iran on human rights commissions. Treating the Wesphalian nation-state and thus the existing national borders as sovereign and sacrosanct has led to innumerable ethnic conflicts, because the post-colonial and post-World War borders were drawn as straight lines on a map by people thousands of miles away, ignoring the peoples and geographies, and thus severing or uniting unnaturally. It's also created a global class of elites, educated in the same universities and sharing many of the same ideals, who socialize with each other and move around the world freely, and who have become ever more distant from the people they supposedly represent, and from the unique local needs of distinct areas.

While that concept of classical liberal principles as the *ideal* is true, the fact remains that all of the entities involved are corrupted beyond redemption because they've attracted corruptible people. 

When you have people who sit on interlocking corporate boards who are also tied to NGO and supranational entities where they collude with similar other people, it's a problem.  We should not have allowed a Bill Gates to have any relationship with the UN or Peter Daszak while buying up farmland in the upper Midwest at the same time as Chinese entities are doing the same.  We should not have allowed the Biden crime family to sit on UKR energy board or broker deals with China.

When you have oligarchs influencing foreign sovereign nations, it all turns to shit.
Those aren't classical liberal principles. Classical liberalism fears the state, wants strong constitutional protections, believes in checks and balances, and sees elections as primarily a mechanism for throwing the corrupt out of power, because power always corrupts. It supports local autonomy, small states, secession, sound money, federalism, and heavily armed populaces. It supports the primary of the individual.

Liberal in the sense of the "liberal world order" is more post-FDR American liberalism. This is the Brain Trust twist on liberalism, informed by European ideals of collectivism and socialism, and American progressivism. The idea that history is an inevitable upward arc, and the belief that all problems are fixable by sufficiently educated and intelligent people, with all the pseudo-religious consequentialism that entails. It is strongly in favor of powerful governments, centralized control, endless meddling, massive social programs, fiat currency and fiscal and monetary dictates, and supernational organizations with teeth. It is a utopian vision, with the technocrat replacing Plato's philosopher kings.

Classical liberalism ran into some problems in the post ww2 era. Nuclear weapons changed the world. It was foreseeable that nations could be utterly destroyed quickly within tge dominf few decades. This mandated a much stronger military with nuclear deterrent capacity, which mandated a strong central authority to maintain nuclear security.

Also globalization made a unified government for America necessary as we could not have each state deciding how to deal with foreign governments. Now that foreign nations could pose a more dangerous threat faster than before again, a centralized power was needed more than ever before.

Also globalization and automation changed socioeconomic dynamics heavily. With unemployment caused by both you needed social liberalism to deal with the changing dynamics.

The definition of liberalism has had to evolve in the post ww2 reality.
You got the timing wrong, liberalism changed in the first two decades of the 20th century, not in the 40s. You see early examples in Wilson's League of Nations, and it flowered after the Great Depression.

And none of that "mandates" anything. It was just an excuse for accruing more power to a central state. And the driver wasn't nukes, but the horror of WW2. The US is somewhat insulated, by its late entry, lack of any real invasion of its homeland, and two big oceans. But it hit Europe and the conquered nations hard, and caused both a crisis of confidence and a sense of shame, which drove them to seek safely in international institutions and to delegate the hard choices to the US military complex.

Liberalism, in the classic sense, is long dead. The US Constitution then Lincoln killed it. It only survives in mutated forms in things like modern libertarianism. The progressive statist false-liberalism of the also long dead version Democratic party, of which Bill Maher is a late vestige, combined utopian progressivism as exemplified by Teddy Roosevelt and the later Brain Trust of his distant cousin, with grassroots unionism and populism, and took advantage of every crisis to grow.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 03, 2022, 05:22:38 PM
You can declare 'the Navy vets should run the nuke program'. The problem is who's running the Navy vets?

Bureaucrats. Lawyers. Activists. Shills. People who roll out Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Three Mile Island every time someone raises the prospect of nuclear power. No matter how good the design, no matter how safe, it's never, ever safe enough.

And if something goes wrong, they'll fuckin' lie to you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 06:00:59 PM
Pat, your above post is one of the best I have yet to see on this site. It addressed a major  issue fairly, comprehensively, accurately and concisely in an unbaised tone and rational manner. Reason is not dead here yet.

It's easy to praise a post when you agree with it.

It helps you to agree with a post when the poster makes a cogent point in a fair and reasonable, non offensive tone.   8)

I agree.

Fucktard shitheads, no wonder you love trump so much.

I want to put the navy IN CHARGE OF THE NUCEAR INDUSTRY!  REGULATING IT!  ENFORCING SAFETY STANDARDS! OVERSEEING CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION! PUTTING THEM ABOVE THE GODDAM CORPATE BLOODSUCKERS THAT GRAFTED THE THREE MILE ISLAND DESIGN TO FAILURE! MILITARY INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT! MILITARY DISCIPLINE FOR CORRUPTION!

HAVE. I. MADE. MYSELF. CLEAR.  NOW, CUMSTAIN BRAIN?!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 06:20:20 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 06:42:12 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

Like I said. You're just as responsible for the level of discourse on this site by participating in "going off" on someone. So I don't take your judgements about the "level of reason" on this site seriously.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 03, 2022, 07:47:41 PM
That's what block lists are for.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 03, 2022, 11:36:39 PM
That's what block lists are for.

You don't seem to be managing yours very well.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 03, 2022, 11:49:56 PM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

  You made no point though.  Jeff and I and several other members of this forum are actual trained nuclear power plant operators who were in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion program.  Personally I know a good deal about how nuclear power is regulated in the USA just from people I knew then who worked in the industry as well as information we got throughout training and military career while doing the job.   I can understand the point of view, but you propose what is already there on one hand as well as not understanding the former nucs working in civilian plants are there because they did not stay in the Navy, meaning they did not care to live under the UCMJ any more.   Trying to bring such a restrictive rule of law to civilians is going to mean no one works in the industry.  The people there are well trained and have integrity beaten into them from day one of being in the program.  Your solution is no solution and looked like the inane ranting of a person with absolutely zero clue as to how the system works now.  If you expect any sort of soft tone on explaining that to you when you clearly have what is a violent animus (despite likely being COMPLETELY unequipped mentally or physically to engage in violence) towards people who voted for trump,  you are completely tone deaf. 

   You just lash out and go off because that is how petulant children act.  I get wanting to vent a bit and we are all guilty of it.  The constant tone as if you are some sort of genius explaining how retarded people who vote for trump are though is a bit old, especially coming from a guy who misspells every 5th word.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on July 04, 2022, 11:07:13 AM
Yeah, when people deliberately miss the point and throw shit at me I go off on them sometimes. No apologies.

  You made no point though.  Jeff and I and several other members of this forum are actual trained nuclear power plant operators who were in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion program.  Personally I know a good deal about how nuclear power is regulated in the USA just from people I knew then who worked in the industry as well as information we got throughout training and military career while doing the job.   I can understand the point of view, but you propose what is already there on one hand as well as not understanding the former nucs working in civilian plants are there because they did not stay in the Navy, meaning they did not care to live under the UCMJ any more.   Trying to bring such a restrictive rule of law to civilians is going to mean no one works in the industry.  The people there are well trained and have integrity beaten into them from day one of being in the program.  Your solution is no solution and looked like the inane ranting of a person with absolutely zero clue as to how the system works now.  If you expect any sort of soft tone on explaining that to you when you clearly have what is a violent animus (despite likely being COMPLETELY unequipped mentally or physically to engage in violence) towards people who voted for trump,  you are completely tone deaf. 

   You just lash out and go off because that is how petulant children act.  I get wanting to vent a bit and we are all guilty of it.  The constant tone as if you are some sort of genius explaining how retarded people who vote for trump are though is a bit old, especially coming from a guy who misspells every 5th word.

Let's also not forget that even though everyone who went through the pipeline was above average IQ as compared to the general population, that there were still varying degrees of competency. I'm the first to admit I was not the #1 in RC-Div, nor was I a complete retard - when you have to hire a large amount of people, you tend to have to take even the complete retards.  TMI happened even with former navy nukes sitting the panel...  The issue is you need people who can question things and not just blindly follow procedure.

No one remembers Davis Besse's 1977 incident even though it started out identically to TMI - a small LOCA in the primary side steam space - the operators took the same exact actions to shut off the high pressure injection pumps because that is how they were trained on the plant simulator to not let the plant go solid.  No one understood how the plant response would be to a LOCA due to stuck open pressurizer PORVs because the design basis didn't model it in the simulator, resulting in the operators following their training into doing the exact wrong thing.  If not for the fact that one of the operators thought about it and ordered the pressurizer PORV block valve to be shut, Davis Besse would have been TMI.

Unfortunately, with the emphasis today if trying to inject equity and diversity into hard sciences and the cultural disdain for education amongst some segments of the population, we have several generations of people who can't make change at a McDonald's without following the pictures in the register, let alone be able to understand how to operate a system-of-systems engineering plant.

Now inject in the "helpfulness" of government regulation...  I've seen shipyard workers in a foreign shipyard walk under a load being moved by a crane without them thinking that that is probably not a good idea - because they've been conditioned to think that legislating safety processes makes it so that something like a lift couldn't possibly go wrong, dumping several tons of hardware onto them.  This, at the same time that they wanted to know the exact metallurgical makeup of the cabinetry being lifted to see if the equipment would be "safe" to lift, totally ignoring the fact that the equipment was designed and built to withstand events that would be more stressful than lifting it from it's lifting eyes with a crane...

You can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Battlemaster on July 04, 2022, 11:36:44 AM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Pat on July 04, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.
That's almost entirely garbage.

The regulations placed on banks during the Great Depression didn't lead to 50 years without a crash. The government response to the crash of 1929 prolonged the depression, which only ended about 15 years later with WW2. Compare Black Thursday in 1929 to the even more severe crash in 1920, where Harding did nothing, and the economy bounced back within a year. And it was the Bretton Woods system and the gold standard established after that war that led to a lack of serious crashes between WW2 and the 1970s. But when Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971 and started printing money, it led directly to stagflation. So even if we assume government regulation is responsible for any stability during the 50 year window you gave, instead of attributing it to the real cause which was not inflating the money supply, you still have to carve out 15 years on the front end, and 10 on the back end. 25/50 years is a terrible track record. The monetary inflation starting in the 1970s is also the primary cause of the flattening of real wage growth for the middle class, because monetary inflation is another form of wealth transfer.

And as I explained earlier, Carter deregulated more than Reagan, and the S&L crisis was caused by government regulation, not your bogeyman of greedy corporations. Plus, there was no recession in the 90s. It was an area of almost uniform growth. And you missed the dot com crash of the early aughts.

Also, your idea that Republicans are against regulation is disproved by the number of pages added to the Federal Register each year. The difference between the parties isn't the difference between going 99.99999% the speed of light, and a full stop. It's between 0.9999999c and 0.9999998c.

So government regulation and government interference was behind almost all the economic problems of the last century, and that even includes the housing crash of 2008, which was caused by the Clinton-era repeal of parts of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, as well as government housing policies that pushed lenders to extend credit to people who were incapable of paying it back, because expanding home ownership is political gold, even when it leads to disaster.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 04, 2022, 02:33:06 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.

  You fucking retard....the USN and the NRC have the SAME SPECS AND REGULATIONS!!!.   I explained that to you.  I said you are not going to get people to work a job where they have to have the UCMJ over them.....you do not seem to understand what the UCMJ is so it goes right over your head.  You are bringing financial regulations in (which are really just ways for the oligarchs to crush small fish, but that is completely different) and making an apples to cadillacs comparison.   
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 03:17:39 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

We went strqit to the S&L crisis meant the rich stole tens if bikliobs ofbdolars, and taxpayers were forced to replace it, so they robbed the country as a whole thanks to raygun brand deregulation.

Further deregulation lead to the recession of the 90s  and again more wealth shifted upwards. Then we had tge real estate bubble,  the big recession of the 2010s that lead to tge 'new economy' which crushed what was left if the old middle class, and so on.

So much for your 'gugmint regyoolayshuns bad! ' line.

And again, the USN has ran a nuclear energy program that is safe, efficient and effective for 70 years thank to regulations.

Case closed.
That's almost entirely garbage.

The regulations placed on banks during the Great Depression didn't lead to 50 years without a crash. The government response to the crash of 1929 prolonged the depression, which only ended about 15 years later with WW2. Compare Black Thursday in 1929 to the even more severe crash in 1920, where Harding did nothing, and the economy bounced back within a year. And it was the Bretton Woods system and the gold standard established after that war that led to a lack of serious crashes between WW2 and the 1970s. But when Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971 and started printing money, it led directly to stagflation. So even if we assume government regulation is responsible for any stability during the 50 year window you gave, instead of attributing it to the real cause which was not inflating the money supply, you still have to carve out 15 years on the front end, and 10 on the back end. 25/50 years is a terrible track record. The monetary inflation starting in the 1970s is also the primary cause of the flattening of real wage growth for the middle class, because monetary inflation is another form of wealth transfer.

And as I explained earlier, Carter deregulated more than Reagan, and the S&L crisis was caused by government regulation, not your bogeyman of greedy corporations. Plus, there was no recession in the 90s. It was an area of almost uniform growth. And you missed the dot com crash of the early aughts.

Also, your idea that Republicans are against regulation is disproved by the number of pages added to the Federal Register each year. The difference between the parties isn't the difference between going 99.99999% the speed of light, and a full stop. It's between 0.9999999c and 0.9999998c.

So government regulation and government interference was behind almost all the economic problems of the last century, and that even includes the housing crash of 2008, which was caused by the Clinton-era repeal of parts of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, as well as government housing policies that pushed lenders to extend credit to people who were incapable of paying it back, because expanding home ownership is political gold, even when it leads to disaster.

I feel like I’m learning a fair bit from this. That said, be prepared for some ignorant questions now that the mental gears are turning.

Was Keynes right about WW2 ending the Depression? I kinda liked Hayek’s take on war and army employment within the rap battle, though I acknowledge it seemed to favor an Austrian perspective. Hoover seemed to me a lot less interventionist than FDR, working to let private and local folks lead, and I heard the fed didn’t slash interest rates by too much during the start of the Depression, but shouldn’t dropping them at all have done something to cause an artificial boom under the Austrian perspective? Basically, why didn’t the Depression end or at least abate with Hoover taking point?

Also, with the raw Austrian perspective, how were there any crashes at all on the gold standard? How could the fed print money or cause inflation when all the money was backed by real gold value?

Regarding flattening middle class wages, is it because inflation started making it harder for the middle class to save and invest to gain money that way and meant wages had to constantly jog to catch up with inflation? Why didn’t the market for labor factor in inflation? Is there a weird mechanism I’m missing?

Wasn’t the dot com crash fueled by excessive speculation? Under Hayek I assume that means it was preceded by low interest rates. But why would the malinvestments from that all be in one sector?

Didn’t know Republicans almost never manage to cut regulations, that lowers my opinion of the right in delivering on campaign promises.

I knew a bit about the poor and dishonest oversight in the ratings system and deregulation that led to 2008. Feel like we need better regulation, albeit less.

Felt like Hayek won the Econ rap battle, perhaps partly due to being favored by the writers. But some of this is making me question that, albeit possibly that’d be less the case if I’d already read his theory and could apply more than rap battle soundbites. The fact that econometricians seemed in favor of Keynes in that rap battle though, in combination with some of this stuff, is making me confused as to whether it’s all as simple as the rap battle Austrian perspective was portrayed. I feel like theories need to bear themselves out in practice, no matter how solid, to be accepted as the whole truth, and econometric statistical analysis may be part of that.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 03:27:27 PM
Biden’s a Keynesian, right? Is that a failure or a perk? Or is Biden kinda just on board with being politically expedient? (Ex: Do we have any examples of him ignoring BOTH the Keynesian and Austrian perspective? Or switching approaches/abandoning a line of reasoning? I feel like there could potentially be a gold vein of criticisms relevant to the thread to discover here.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 04, 2022, 05:27:50 PM
Ogg, you only made one point I feel like wasting time explaing the fallacy of.

You decried 'gubmint regyoolayshuns' but seem to ignore the fact that refulqtions placed on banks and wall street after the market crash of 1929 prevented another major market crisis for over 50 years. The ronny raygun cqme in with his 'gubmint isn't tge solution, gubmint is tge problem 'and begsn a republiscum jyhad against regulations.

(https://www.macrotrends.net/assets/images/large/dow-jones-100-year-historical-chart.png)

Herp Derp
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 04, 2022, 09:41:05 PM
Hope everyone's having a good 4th of July and celebrating our nation's independence.

I think it unfortunate that an unexpected tragedy is now being used by the president as the next piece of ammunition in a bid to curtail our second amendment rights. Biden saying there is "more work to do" on the policy front, presumably from past statements particularly as regards gun control and assaulting our liberties.

Despite actual mass shooting statistics showing that such shootings of 4 or more people represent less than 1% of total gun homicides, in less than a third of which a rifle, nevermind an assault rifle, is used. And despite how many crimes are prevented annually just by victims and good samaritans having guns. A sum arguably eclipsing the number of unjustified killings by gun, and coming well within range of the number stopped directly even by police.

May be a somewhat controversial stance more broadly to call his agenda on "gun control" (restricting second ammendment rights) a failing, but I'm going there.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Jaeger on July 05, 2022, 03:20:13 AM
Everybody's flipping out about the "liberal world order" quote, but that's literally what they've been describing it as since at least the end of WW2. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not a secret, it's just the set of institutions and policies designed to ensure peace and spread liberal principles of democracy and free trade, including the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, and the GATT now WTO.

Normies don't keep track, or pay attention to, any of that UN, IMF, GATT, WTO crap. They relied too much on their "elected" leaders to act in their best interests.

And it is becoming increasingly obvious to the normies that they never have.

Until relatively recently people who did try to warn others about the negative effects of the 'liberal world order'/'new world order' (Both phrases that have now been openly used by MSM pundits who approve of these things) were being dismissed as conspiracy theory crackpots.

It is only because Elites feel they have a sufficient hold on power that they are now starting to directly use those phrases openly via their MSM mouthpieces.

So yeah, normies gonna flip out when the truth of what is happening is finally getting shoved in front of their faces.


Of course the negative effects are also becoming apparent. By linking the world economies, they've become more vulnerable to failures anywhere, and economic downturns and shortages sweep the world with little impedance. By giving more power to the supernational institutions, there's been a centralization of power in vast unelected entities with murky accountability. ...

Because the alleged 'positive effects' have proven to be a big fat bag of lies.

The U.S. has been functionally 'at war' with someone every decade for the past 70 years. So much for ensuring "peace".

We have so much debt that it will never be paid down. The economic fall is inevitable. It is only a matter of when, not if. And virtually every 'Liberal' western nation is in the same boat. So much for economic stability.

We have all been cursed to live in interesting times.

I mean seriously, how do they know what human meat tastes like?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 09:29:57 AM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 08, 2022, 02:25:10 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.

The hell was he even thinking? Yeah, in theory it boosts global supply of gas, which drops prices, and China pays for it/pays our nation, but I feel like that's naive reasoning. For one thing that gas specifically isn't gonna inherently lead to more winding up here without a seriously higher willingness to pay, and while we have that over China because they still take Russian gas, it's not like American citizens wouldn't still have to pay for transport and profit, so we could have gotten more direct aid by selling it to corporations here. Moreover, China is pretty evil and basically a snake. If their state run companies want it enough to pay, screw cooperation, especially since diplomacy doesn't really work with them on a feel-good empty-gesture basis. Trying to trick informed global leaders into thinking America can lower their gas prices with minimal dipping into the strategic reserve is not nearly as easy as tricking Democrats, I would presume, and there's a point where what little alleviation global markets get from that would be better concentrated directly at home. Not really gonna call it treason, (though Biden is pretty darn corrupt or at least corrupt enough to cover for his son) cuz politicians have and execute terrible ideas that have real world negative consequences all the time, but would definitely agree on it being proof of idiocy/senility and a failure well worth including on this thread.

 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 08, 2022, 05:44:53 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 08, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Shasarak on July 08, 2022, 06:43:53 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Cant he just get a book publishing deal like everyone else?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 08, 2022, 10:43:36 PM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
What astonishes me is the bald-faced brazenness of it. And it worries the fuck out of me, because it could mean:

(a) they are literally so secure they don't give a shit who sees.
(b) they are literally so stupid they don't give a shit who sees.
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on July 09, 2022, 12:57:14 AM
Apparently, according to The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/08/biden-sold-oil-from-emergency-reserves-to-chinese-gas-giant-tied-to-his-scandal-plagued-son/), Hunter Biden’s lawyer claimed he divested from BHR, which had the big investment in Sinopec, back in November before this deal went through. But Sinopec never updated their website regarding who was on the board as recently as March, when all the oil got sent. There should be an inquiry, possibly tied to an impeachment trial if confirmation can be obtained, because the American public deserves to know, I feel.

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/biden-sold-a-million-barrels-from-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve-to-china-owned-gas-giant/

Don't fucking lecture me on how 'treasonous' Trump was, ever again, apologist cocksuckers. Just shut up and pray the worm never turns hard.
Oh, it gets BETTER. Guess who sits on the board of that China-owned gas giant and collects a fat paycheck from China for doing so?

If your first (and correct) guess wasn't Hunter Biden then I officially wonder how your brain has enough functioning neurons to keep you breathing.

Holy shit. I feel like this may be an impeachable offense, then. This seems pretty darn corrupt.

I feel like there have got to be laws against this. Being US president may make him immune to prosecution, but this seems like maybe a solid justification for impeachment come the red wave.
What astonishes me is the bald-faced brazenness of it. And it worries the fuck out of me, because it could mean:

(a) they are literally so secure they don't give a shit who sees.
(b) they are literally so stupid they don't give a shit who sees.
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

All three of these potential options scare me, though c would be the worst by far. That said I do think it’s probably a or b, or a combination thereof. America wouldn’t go down easy, and I think we’ll stay in play for a while yet, though things may not be looking too hot for us at the moment. (I’m pretty darn sure that on top of inflation, a recession is coming. Possibly really hitting at the end of Biden’s term should the fed drop rates to temporarily stave it off. I don’t have the economic expertise to really back said view, but I do believe in it.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on July 09, 2022, 01:42:14 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on July 09, 2022, 09:08:48 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......

"Looting the treasury" started under the Clinton Administration. Option C is "willing to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 09, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Oh, it’s definitely C. The bill always comes due and sooner or later the State always runs out of other people’s money to spend.

I hope you’re not still living in a big city, and particularly not in the Southwest (the Lake Mead situation is about to fuck everyone out there hard thanks to California’s criminal water mismanagement).

Real support networks of real people (ex. a church community, not a weekly gaming club of half a dozen people) will be the key to survival. Lone post apocalyptic survival memes aren’t a viable long term survival strategy. You need numbers sufficient for specialization of labor if you don’t want to live in a scavenger society.

Get ready for the mother of all fantasy LARPs; one with no rules and no scheduled end date.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 09, 2022, 11:13:42 AM
(c) we're in the 'looting the treasury' part of a collapse and shit is about to come unglued

Now there's a thought to give you sleepless nights......
Oh, it’s definitely C. The bill always comes due and sooner or later the State always runs out of other people’s money to spend.

I hope you’re not still living in a big city, and particularly not in the Southwest (the Lake Mead situation is about to fuck everyone out there hard thanks to California’s criminal water mismanagement).

Real support networks of real people (ex. a church community, not a weekly gaming club of half a dozen people) will be the key to survival. Lone post apocalyptic survival memes aren’t a viable long term survival strategy. You need numbers sufficient for specialization of labor if you don’t want to live in a scavenger society.

Get ready for the mother of all fantasy LARPs; one with no rules and no scheduled end date.
I've got a little list, they'll never be missed.

But yeah. Rough history coming.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 12, 2022, 08:08:51 PM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 13, 2022, 07:52:10 AM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on July 13, 2022, 11:15:47 AM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.

I would love to have her within hearing distance (DOCTOR Jill Biden "She's a doctor!"):

"Hey, Doctor Biden? You know what type of Taco am I? Im a go fuck yourself taco!"
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 14, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
  End of quote.  Repeat the line.  Fucking A.  When you fuck up reading a teleprompter on that sort of level......
The best part was that the White House rewrote the transcript and has been insisting 'Oh no, THIS is what he said. Don't believe your lying eyes ears.'

Meanwhile, DOCTOR Jill Biden (she's a doctor!) managed to offend Hispanics/Latinos with one of the most hilariously ham-handed takes I've seen since Quayle muffed spelling potato. Hey, Jill, even I know there's differences between a Chilean, a Mexican, and a Brazilian! Her comment, made at the Latinx IncluXion Luncheon (I can see GeekyBugle twitching already):
Quote
Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this community—as distinct as the bodegas of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami, and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio—is your strength.

*facepalm*

I've been avoiding talking about the leak of Hunter Biden's iCloud account, because... to be honest, it's almost too good. Granted, we've got video of the stupid waste of flesh drinking White Claw and doing drugs in a sensory deprivation tank. Still... it's the sort of thing that makes me want to verify and double verify just so I don't get burned on a fake.

I would love to have her within hearing distance (DOCTOR Jill Biden "She's a doctor!"):

"Hey, Doctor Biden? You know what type of Taco am I? Im a go fuck yourself taco!"
One of my favorites...
(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2022/07/291893979_587381999561404_6099778810040494343_n.jpeg)

Also seen on the Internet... "Better a taco than having a husband who's an empty shell."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on July 16, 2022, 12:45:06 PM
Taco Bell is offering a buy Juan, get Juan free deal all day today in honor of Jill Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2022, 03:02:53 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thornhammer on July 30, 2022, 04:25:25 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on July 30, 2022, 05:49:43 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.
Treatments aren't meant to prevent reinfection. That it aided recovery is what makes a useful treatment. Unfortunately, very little is effective in preventing reinfection (neither vaccine-based nor natural immunity is doing much to help against current variants).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Reckall on July 30, 2022, 06:05:49 PM
He just got COVID, recovered from COVID, got COVID again immediately.

An absolutely ringing endorsement of Paxlovid as a useful treatment, holy shit.

Not to mention vaccines - and I'm pro-vax :-X

This news cycle was so fast that when I read "Biden tests positive for COVID again" I thought "Again?! I don't remember that he ever was sick..." "Yeah, once. It happened... Er... Five days ago...?" I mean...

Treatments aren't meant to prevent reinfection. That it aided recovery is what makes a useful treatment. Unfortunately, very little is effective in preventing reinfection (neither vaccine-based nor natural immunity is doing much to help against current variants).

True, but treatments aren't supposed to disappear overnight. My mother got COVID twice and recovered twice, but the second time (last week actually) was six months after the first - not after three days. Also, shouldn't Biden, of all people, live in a bubble? From who he re-catched it? And if a relapse is expected after less than a week, shouldn't the White House be a bit more prudent before boasting that he is home-free?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 11:43:36 AM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://t.co/j1l7uc8omS

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 12:22:38 PM
dp
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2022, 12:56:58 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf
I get an error from that link. Can you fix it?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on August 09, 2022, 01:11:03 PM
Greetings!

Excellent video discussing the FBI actions at Mira Lago.

Absolutely corrupt, Banana Republic bullshit, just like Dan Bongino said. I hope that all of the fucking Liberal Democrats burn for this. Hunt them all down and feed them to the alligators. The fucking globalist traitor scum deserve to bathe in napalm.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 09, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 09, 2022, 01:34:28 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2022, 01:36:27 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough.
The walls are closing in!!!111eleventy

LOL.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on August 09, 2022, 02:12:51 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf

  Keep pushing.  I think you guys are going to push it far enough.
The walls are closing in!!!111eleventy

LOL.

We are defeated! Lie back, and think of Lincoln!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 09, 2022, 04:31:23 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.

Not just letting him fade away presumes that the radical leftists running the Dems think like normal people. They don't. They do these things because they think that everyone would do what they themselves do...

This raid is pure political attention-whoring. It was to recover documents that were sent to Mar-a-Lago by the GSA and to which the FBI was already aware of and has had access to for *months*...

This will come back to bite them in the ass. First in the midterms when it is extraordinarily likely for there to be a Republican majority in both the house and Senate. Then, in 24 - if Trump runs again, it's a landslide. If he doesn't, it'll be a spiritual successor, at which point, everyone in the current admin had better get their affairs in order and have their lawyers' retainers paid up.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 04:31:53 PM
Welp, the feds have raided Mar-a-Lago. The Inflation Reduction Act has passed. Dark Brandon has awoken. Dark Garland is stirring.

Edit: House Ways & MEans Committee will be receiving Trump's tax returns immediately. Womp, Womp.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/524B3B5CED10789D8525889900538BAB/$file/21-5289-1958452.pdf
I get an error from that link. Can you fix it?

Done.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 09, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
  I guess I do not understand political strategy.  Letting Trump fade away seems like SO MUCH smarter than hounding him endlessly and allowing him to be the stand in for "workin man murica" and letting people see just how un even the justice system is, and just how much the organs of the federal government are big government political weapons.  I guess it is akin to crucifying people to make an example, but the problem is with a janky economy the best you get is Florida man as POTUS, and the worst you get is real unrest and real activism from the right...and possibly real feelings of understanding you better do something or all is lost (whether that is the case or not, you can create a feeling like that in normies and boomer cons doing silly shit like this).  I guess being powerful comes because of who you blow and not what you know.

They need something to distract from Biden's terrible presidency. And Trump usually responds to being poked at. If Trump were politically savvy, he'd go dark and let them flounder. But he won't.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 09, 2022, 07:14:29 PM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 09, 2022, 08:36:28 PM
The DoJ have been fishing for something, anything to pin on Trump for years now. Nothing has stuck because they can't find anything besides their hurt fee fees.

This is another nothingburger that will only further polarize the parties and reinforce to the American public that the Democrats are as terrible as the Republicans.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on August 09, 2022, 10:48:56 PM
Greetings!

Here is a fantastic video commentary by Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh program, on the Daily Wire.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Trond on August 10, 2022, 10:50:57 AM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.

Source?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 10, 2022, 11:00:37 AM
Trump sure has switched up his relationship with the 5th, hasn't he? Unless, of course, he's guilty...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2022, 11:43:15 AM
Napkins, dinner menues, it sure looks like it was a matter of national security that needed 12 glowies RAIDING Trump's home...

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 10, 2022, 12:17:05 PM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.

Source?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.html

Plenty of other outlets reporting on this as well.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 11, 2022, 12:22:17 PM
DoJ has been requesting these documents for a year. This is Trump's own damn fault.

Source?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/doj-investigation-trump-documents-timeline/index.html

Plenty of other outlets reporting on this as well.

You're ignoring the part where they knew what he had and asked that an additional lock be placed on the storage room - because the Trump folks had already been working with them to disposition documents that the Government Services Administration *sent* to Mar-a-Lago. Stop acting like he did a Sandy Berger and snuck off with them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Koltar on August 11, 2022, 12:52:11 PM
Trump sure has switched up his relationship with the 5th, hasn't he? Unless, of course, he's guilty...

Wow,
 you must think that you are funny.
-Ed C.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 11, 2022, 01:02:11 PM
Trump sure has switched up his relationship with the 5th, hasn't he? Unless, of course, he's guilty...

Wow,
 you must think that you are funny.
-Ed C.
Yes, I do. Thank you for noticing.

So, did you have an opinion on Trump's flip-flop?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
The Judge Who Signed Off On Trump FBI Raid DEFENDED Epstein's Lieutenants In SHOCKING Twist.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 11, 2022, 09:20:25 PM
You're ignoring the part where they knew what he had and asked that an additional lock be placed on the storage room - because the Trump folks had already been working with them to disposition documents that the Government Services Administration *sent* to Mar-a-Lago. Stop acting like he did a Sandy Berger and snuck off with them.

Of course he is.  You're talking about a room-temperature IQ on that one.

Besides, that's exactly the narrative the FBI is aiming for.  Let's review what we know.  Trump declassified a large number of documents by executive order, mostly relating to the Russia collusion investigation by the DOJ and FBI against him.  Despite declassification, they were never released to the public or media.  When he left office, the National Archives requested Trump turn over his documents, including the bunch of those he declassified about Russiagate.  The reporter John Solomon has stated that he recently put in a FOIA request for those documents with the National Archives, and the Archives discovered they didn't have the documents.  Then, when asked, Trump's camp told Solomon that they handed over those documents to the DOJ at the DOJ's request.  The Archives says they never got any documents from the DOJ.  Now the FBI is searching Trump's house looking for the documents Trump claims he's already turned over.

Considering that Trump, his lawyers, and a number of reporters all assert that the documents in question suggest malfeasance on the part of the FBI and DOJ, what makes more sense?  Trump has declassified documents that show the FBI and DOJ acted with bias and malice towards him, but he's hiding those documents from the public and the Archives so that they can't be accessed by Solomon.  Or that the DOJ has the documents and the FBI is performing kabuki theatre raids in order to pretend that Trump still has them, so that the documents never have to be turned over and released to the public (via the Archives)?  Cui Bono?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 11, 2022, 11:29:19 PM
You're ignoring the part where they knew what he had and asked that an additional lock be placed on the storage room - because the Trump folks had already been working with them to disposition documents that the Government Services Administration *sent* to Mar-a-Lago. Stop acting like he did a Sandy Berger and snuck off with them.

Of course he is.  You're talking about a room-temperature IQ on that one.

Besides, that's exactly the narrative the FBI is aiming for.  Let's review what we know.  Trump declassified a large number of documents by executive order, mostly relating to the Russia collusion investigation by the DOJ and FBI against him.  Despite declassification, they were never released to the public or media.  When he left office, the National Archives requested Trump turn over his documents, including the bunch of those he declassified about Russiagate.  The reporter John Solomon has stated that he recently put in a FOIA request for those documents with the National Archives, and the Archives discovered they didn't have the documents.  Then, when asked, Trump's camp told Solomon that they handed over those documents to the DOJ at the DOJ's request.  The Archives says they never got any documents from the DOJ.  Now the FBI is searching Trump's house looking for the documents Trump claims he's already turned over.

Considering that Trump, his lawyers, and a number of reporters all assert that the documents in question suggest malfeasance on the part of the FBI and DOJ, what makes more sense?  Trump has declassified documents that show the FBI and DOJ acted with bias and malice towards him, but he's hiding those documents from the public and the Archives so that they can't be accessed by Solomon.  Or that the DOJ has the documents and the FBI is performing kabuki theatre raids in order to pretend that Trump still has them, so that the documents never have to be turned over and released to the public (via the Archives)?  Cui Bono?

I wouldn't even conclude either of those scenarios is the most likely. We're talking about government, so it's even odds that they were already in process to be sent, were sent and still stuck in the process of being delivered to DoJ, received and misfiled by DoJ, or simply sitting in someone's queue at DoJ and haven't even been looked at yet.

Classified material is like porno - when it is mailed, it's in a plain wrapper, so there is no way of knowing what it is (or even that it is classified) until you open the outer wrapper and see the markings on the inner wrapper to match it up with the transmittal documents

What would be great is if Trump's people continue to let DoJ and FBI embarrass themselves a little while longer before producing the registered mail receipts showing the documents they were looking for had already been sent weeks prior.

I'm also hearing reports that DoJ is starting to panic over the realization that security cameras that were still recording may have caught them exceeding the authority of what they could search specified in the warrant (with the speculation that they may have engaged in illegal activities during the raid).  That is - if they spent 9+ hrs doing a fishing expedition, that is clearly a violation of the 4A since the warrant *has* to be specific ("nuclear launch codes located in a safe in a secure area in his home office" rather than "anything that he might have in his house that is marked as classified.") If they talked about their motivation for the raid or are seen planting evidence - game over.

The real issue here is that GSA *sent* these documents to him when he left office - like they do with many presidents after they leave office.

I do hope Trump runs again and wins. He should do the following:

1. Immediately give every political appointee the boot.  4000 mouth breathers that will no longer be burdens on the taxpayer.
2. Immediately rescind as many EOs as he can without jeopardizing national security.
3. Immediately declassify everything that isn't military or sources/methods. All of it. Too much stuff is classified because it hides violations of the constitution by government (fast and furious, cointelpro, NSA surveillance of US citizens, etc.), because it is politically embarrassing to other governments (yes every government spies on their allies), or because it is proof that a particular politician has broken the law (drugs, sex crimes, murders, etc.)
4. Have a "you fucking guys" discussion with every shitbag RINO to make it abundantly clear that they had better get their act together or they're out.
5. Pressure Congress to enact term limits in the law - utilizing all of those declassified files as political leverage.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 12, 2022, 09:40:49 AM
You're ignoring the part where they knew what he had and asked that an additional lock be placed on the storage room - because the Trump folks had already been working with them to disposition documents that the Government Services Administration *sent* to Mar-a-Lago. Stop acting like he did a Sandy Berger and snuck off with them.

Of course he is.  You're talking about a room-temperature IQ on that one.

Besides, that's exactly the narrative the FBI is aiming for.  Let's review what we know.  Trump declassified a large number of documents by executive order, mostly relating to the Russia collusion investigation by the DOJ and FBI against him.  Despite declassification, they were never released to the public or media.  When he left office, the National Archives requested Trump turn over his documents, including the bunch of those he declassified about Russiagate.  The reporter John Solomon has stated that he recently put in a FOIA request for those documents with the National Archives, and the Archives discovered they didn't have the documents.  Then, when asked, Trump's camp told Solomon that they handed over those documents to the DOJ at the DOJ's request.  The Archives says they never got any documents from the DOJ.  Now the FBI is searching Trump's house looking for the documents Trump claims he's already turned over.

Considering that Trump, his lawyers, and a number of reporters all assert that the documents in question suggest malfeasance on the part of the FBI and DOJ, what makes more sense?  Trump has declassified documents that show the FBI and DOJ acted with bias and malice towards him, but he's hiding those documents from the public and the Archives so that they can't be accessed by Solomon.  Or that the DOJ has the documents and the FBI is performing kabuki theatre raids in order to pretend that Trump still has them, so that the documents never have to be turned over and released to the public (via the Archives)?  Cui Bono?

I wouldn't even conclude either of those scenarios is the most likely. We're talking about government, so it's even odds that they were already in process to be sent, were sent and still stuck in the process of being delivered to DoJ, received and misfiled by DoJ, or simply sitting in someone's queue at DoJ and haven't even been looked at yet.

Classified material is like porno - when it is mailed, it's in a plain wrapper, so there is no way of knowing what it is (or even that it is classified) until you open the outer wrapper and see the markings on the inner wrapper to match it up with the transmittal documents

What would be great is if Trump's people continue to let DoJ and FBI embarrass themselves a little while longer before producing the registered mail receipts showing the documents they were looking for had already been sent weeks prior.

I'm also hearing reports that DoJ is starting to panic over the realization that security cameras that were still recording may have caught them exceeding the authority of what they could search specified in the warrant (with the speculation that they may have engaged in illegal activities during the raid).  That is - if they spent 9+ hrs doing a fishing expedition, that is clearly a violation of the 4A since the warrant *has* to be specific ("nuclear launch codes located in a safe in a secure area in his home office" rather than "anything that he might have in his house that is marked as classified.") If they talked about their motivation for the raid or are seen planting evidence - game over.

The real issue here is that GSA *sent* these documents to him when he left office - like they do with many presidents after they leave office.

I do hope Trump runs again and wins. He should do the following:

1. Immediately give every political appointee the boot.  4000 mouth breathers that will no longer be burdens on the taxpayer.
2. Immediately rescind as many EOs as he can without jeopardizing national security.
3. Immediately declassify everything that isn't military or sources/methods. All of it. Too much stuff is classified because it hides violations of the constitution by government (fast and furious, cointelpro, NSA surveillance of US citizens, etc.), because it is politically embarrassing to other governments (yes every government spies on their allies), or because it is proof that a particular politician has broken the law (drugs, sex crimes, murders, etc.)
4. Have a "you fucking guys" discussion with every shitbag RINO to make it abundantly clear that they had better get their act together or they're out.
5. Pressure Congress to enact term limits in the law - utilizing all of those declassified files as political leverage.

Ehhh, I don't think any of these documents were mailed.  They were hand delivered.  And there's no way the DOJ doesn't know the location of documents purporting to show their malfeasance if they are in their possession.  I think most people are overthinking this whole situation.  Watergate was nothing more than a lawyer trying to get incriminating documents about his girlfriend from someone else's opposition research, and it snowballed.  This is nothing more than the FBI trying to cover its tracks.  The simple explanation is usually the correct one.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 09:55:48 AM
You're ignoring the part where they knew what he had and asked that an additional lock be placed on the storage room - because the Trump folks had already been working with them to disposition documents that the Government Services Administration *sent* to Mar-a-Lago. Stop acting like he did a Sandy Berger and snuck off with them.

Of course he is.  You're talking about a room-temperature IQ on that one.

Besides, that's exactly the narrative the FBI is aiming for.  Let's review what we know.  Trump declassified a large number of documents by executive order, mostly relating to the Russia collusion investigation by the DOJ and FBI against him.  Despite declassification, they were never released to the public or media.  When he left office, the National Archives requested Trump turn over his documents, including the bunch of those he declassified about Russiagate.  The reporter John Solomon has stated that he recently put in a FOIA request for those documents with the National Archives, and the Archives discovered they didn't have the documents.  Then, when asked, Trump's camp told Solomon that they handed over those documents to the DOJ at the DOJ's request.  The Archives says they never got any documents from the DOJ.  Now the FBI is searching Trump's house looking for the documents Trump claims he's already turned over.

Considering that Trump, his lawyers, and a number of reporters all assert that the documents in question suggest malfeasance on the part of the FBI and DOJ, what makes more sense?  Trump has declassified documents that show the FBI and DOJ acted with bias and malice towards him, but he's hiding those documents from the public and the Archives so that they can't be accessed by Solomon.  Or that the DOJ has the documents and the FBI is performing kabuki theatre raids in order to pretend that Trump still has them, so that the documents never have to be turned over and released to the public (via the Archives)?  Cui Bono?

I wouldn't even conclude either of those scenarios is the most likely. We're talking about government, so it's even odds that they were already in process to be sent, were sent and still stuck in the process of being delivered to DoJ, received and misfiled by DoJ, or simply sitting in someone's queue at DoJ and haven't even been looked at yet.

Classified material is like porno - when it is mailed, it's in a plain wrapper, so there is no way of knowing what it is (or even that it is classified) until you open the outer wrapper and see the markings on the inner wrapper to match it up with the transmittal documents

What would be great is if Trump's people continue to let DoJ and FBI embarrass themselves a little while longer before producing the registered mail receipts showing the documents they were looking for had already been sent weeks prior.

I'm also hearing reports that DoJ is starting to panic over the realization that security cameras that were still recording may have caught them exceeding the authority of what they could search specified in the warrant (with the speculation that they may have engaged in illegal activities during the raid).  That is - if they spent 9+ hrs doing a fishing expedition, that is clearly a violation of the 4A since the warrant *has* to be specific ("nuclear launch codes located in a safe in a secure area in his home office" rather than "anything that he might have in his house that is marked as classified.") If they talked about their motivation for the raid or are seen planting evidence - game over.

The real issue here is that GSA *sent* these documents to him when he left office - like they do with many presidents after they leave office.

I do hope Trump runs again and wins. He should do the following:

1. Immediately give every political appointee the boot.  4000 mouth breathers that will no longer be burdens on the taxpayer.
2. Immediately rescind as many EOs as he can without jeopardizing national security.
3. Immediately declassify everything that isn't military or sources/methods. All of it. Too much stuff is classified because it hides violations of the constitution by government (fast and furious, cointelpro, NSA surveillance of US citizens, etc.), because it is politically embarrassing to other governments (yes every government spies on their allies), or because it is proof that a particular politician has broken the law (drugs, sex crimes, murders, etc.)
4. Have a "you fucking guys" discussion with every shitbag RINO to make it abundantly clear that they had better get their act together or they're out.
5. Pressure Congress to enact term limits in the law - utilizing all of those declassified files as political leverage.

Ehhh, I don't think any of these documents were mailed.  They were hand delivered.  And there's no way the DOJ doesn't know the location of documents purporting to show their malfeasance if they are in their possession.  I think most people are overthinking this whole situation.  Watergate was nothing more than a lawyer trying to get incriminating documents about his girlfriend from someone else's opposition research, and it snowballed.  This is nothing more than the FBI trying to cover its tracks.  The simple explanation is usually the correct one.

Classified material is mailed by USPS *all the time* because that's the *only* method other than hand-carry or designated freight forwarder that is allowed. No one is going to authorize government employees to hand-carry with the associated per diem costs of travel when throwing them in the mail costs less, and I doubt any of Trump's people have courier cards.

The simple explanation is that the Biden admin (not Biden himself since he's a drooling idiot figurehead) panicked after seeing all of the Trump-endorsed primary wins and knowing that their horse has a high chance of an L in those districts come November - so anything they can do to discredit his anointed candidates...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 12, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
I'm seeing some interesting speculation that this didn't actually come out of the White House, but was actually all Garland. He was out for revenge, because Trump and McConnell cockblocked that son of a bitch from ending up on SCOTUS. He's showing his true colors now. My guess is that he wanted to present the raid as a fait accompli.

The problem with that is that to present a fait accompli, you have to actually accomplish something, and all he's managed to do is damage the current regime even further. They're running around 'leaking' information that the FBI suspected Trump of having 'nuclear secrets' (sure he did, buddy) that he was going to give to his Bestest Buddy Forevah Vlad Putin.

(I can't imagine why that would bother them. The left's been licking the anuses of Russian spies for decades.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 12, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
I'm seeing some interesting speculation that this didn't actually come out of the White House, but was actually all Garland. He was out for revenge, because Trump and McConnell cockblocked that son of a bitch from ending up on SCOTUS. He's showing his true colors now. My guess is that he wanted to present the raid as a fait accompli.

The problem with that is that to present a fait accompli, you have to actually accomplish something, and all he's managed to do is damage the current regime even further. They're running around 'leaking' information that the FBI suspected Trump of having 'nuclear secrets' (sure he did, buddy) that he was going to give to his Bestest Buddy Forevah Vlad Putin.

(I can't imagine why that would bother them. The left's been licking the anuses of Russian spies for decades.)
As everyone suspected, the FBI "found" documents that Trump's lawyer asserts were already declassified (in fact a DOD official under Trump, Kash Patel, has already stated in the media that he was present when Trump declassified the documents in question during his presidency).  The markings on the documents may have been the original classification stamps, but once declassified the stamps do not matter.  So, yeah, another manufactured "crime" that will be litigated in Trump's favor years down the road, but used to smear him in the present for political reasons.  And the declassified documents of the FBI/DOJ malfeasance during Russiagate are still missing...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 04:06:30 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the President's power to declassify unilaterally is not absolute. Certain materials would still need to be signed off on by others, regardless of the President's  wishes. Part of the reason for the warrant, according to DoJ, was that some of these materials were not declassified, and are so sensitive that they are only supposed to be viewed by a few select people, and even then, only in a SCIF.

Edit: it is also entirely possible for someone who has the legal authority to posses documents such as these (if Trump did, which I doubt but can't really say with certainty either way) to handle them in such a way as to constitute a violation of the Espionage Act, and/or other laws. This idea that the President can simply take whatever state secrets he pleases, roll them up, put them in his back pocket, and do with them whatever he wants, is simply incorrect.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 05:25:01 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the President's power to declassify unilaterally is not absolute. Certain materials would still need to be signed off on by others, regardless of the President's  wishes. Part of the reason for the warrant, according to DoJ, was that some of these materials were not declassified, and are so sensitive that they are only supposed to be viewed by a few select people, and even then, only in a SCIF.

Edit: it is also entirely possible for someone who has the legal authority to posses documents such as these (if Trump did, which I doubt but can't really say with certainty either way) to handle them in such a way as to constitute a violation of the Espionage Act, and/or other laws. This idea that the President can simply take whatever state secrets he pleases, roll them up, put them in his back pocket, and do with them whatever he wants, is simply incorrect.

You'd, yet again, be incorrect. SCOTUS has already ruled that the Espionage Act does *not* apply to the President (and the President alone) for nearly every category of classified info. By virtue of being the head of government a president has the authority to declassify anything at any time - guided by EOs that are non-binding on him or by his whim.  Once he decides to declassify, it's done, and it doesn't matter how they were originally marked, handled, or stored.  Unless it is RD or CNWDI or the identity of spies, a president doesn't have to do anything other than will it to be unclassified.

One of Trump's aides has already stated that he was present when Trump declared these documents to be declassified - well before he left office.

You know who *didn't* have the ability to magically declassify stuff?  Cankles Clinton with her illegal server and her 30,000 emails. She was most definitely subject to the Espionage Act and *nothing* happened to her.

Reading the warrant reveals it to be a fishing expedition since they were looking for *any* documents generated during his presidency.  It's overly-broad in violation of the 4th amendment.  This is very likely the FBI trying to clean up after the CIA, except they forgot they're not dealing with a politician who has adhered to the rules of the DC game. They're terrified that he'll run again and win and have a Republican Congress and a conservative SCOTUS - a second term means honey badger don't give a shit about the administrative state and will burn it all down and name names and declassify the proof of how crooked every single one of them is. They're especially terrified that their position as boyars all goes away and they'll no longer be able to grift on the backs of the US citizenry.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 05:38:13 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the President's power to declassify unilaterally is not absolute. Certain materials would still need to be signed off on by others, regardless of the President's  wishes. Part of the reason for the warrant, according to DoJ, was that some of these materials were not declassified, and are so sensitive that they are only supposed to be viewed by a few select people, and even then, only in a SCIF.

Edit: it is also entirely possible for someone who has the legal authority to posses documents such as these (if Trump did, which I doubt but can't really say with certainty either way) to handle them in such a way as to constitute a violation of the Espionage Act, and/or other laws. This idea that the President can simply take whatever state secrets he pleases, roll them up, put them in his back pocket, and do with them whatever he wants, is simply incorrect.

You'd, yet again, be incorrect. SCOTUS has already ruled that the Espionage Act does *not* apply to the President (and the President alone) for nearly every category of classified info. By virtue of being the head of government a president has the authority to declassify anything at any time - guided by EOs that are non-binding on him or by his whim.  Once he decides to declassify, it's done, and it doesn't matter how they were originally marked, handled, or stored.  Unless it is RD or CNWDI or the identity of spies, a president doesn't have to do anything other than will it to be unclassified.

One of Trump's aides has already stated that he was present when Trump declared these documents to be declassified - well before he left office.

You know who *didn't* have the ability to magically declassify stuff?  Cankles Clinton with her illegal server and her 30,000 emails. She was most definitely subject to the Espionage Act and *nothing* happened to her.

Reading the warrant reveals it to be a fishing expedition since they were looking for *any* documents generated during his presidency.  It's overly-broad in violation of the 4th amendment.  This is very likely the FBI trying to clean up after the CIA, except they forgot they're not dealing with a politician who has adhered to the rules of the DC game. They're terrified that he'll run again and win and have a Republican Congress and a conservative SCOTUS - a second term means honey badger don't give a shit about the administrative state and will burn it all down and name names and declassify the proof of how crooked every single one of them is. They're especially terrified that their position as boyars all goes away and they'll no longer be able to grift on the backs of the US citizenry.

This is wrong. Even wrt stuff the Prez has the authority to declassify unilaterally, there is sometimes (but not always) a process to be followed, not simply a verbal willing of the material in question to be declassified. That's actually part of the issue here, is that Trump is claiming that he "declassified" stuff, for which the necessary declassification steps have not been taken.

There are be some things that can be declassified by a handwave, but not everything is like that. I will again point out that it is also possible to commit violations of the Espionage Act with material that has been declassified, or was never classified. And that the documents at the heart of this search contain examples of those where the Presidential power to declassify is sharply curtailed.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 06:11:06 PM
Contrary to popular belief, the President's power to declassify unilaterally is not absolute. Certain materials would still need to be signed off on by others, regardless of the President's  wishes. Part of the reason for the warrant, according to DoJ, was that some of these materials were not declassified, and are so sensitive that they are only supposed to be viewed by a few select people, and even then, only in a SCIF.

Edit: it is also entirely possible for someone who has the legal authority to posses documents such as these (if Trump did, which I doubt but can't really say with certainty either way) to handle them in such a way as to constitute a violation of the Espionage Act, and/or other laws. This idea that the President can simply take whatever state secrets he pleases, roll them up, put them in his back pocket, and do with them whatever he wants, is simply incorrect.

You'd, yet again, be incorrect. SCOTUS has already ruled that the Espionage Act does *not* apply to the President (and the President alone) for nearly every category of classified info. By virtue of being the head of government a president has the authority to declassify anything at any time - guided by EOs that are non-binding on him or by his whim.  Once he decides to declassify, it's done, and it doesn't matter how they were originally marked, handled, or stored.  Unless it is RD or CNWDI or the identity of spies, a president doesn't have to do anything other than will it to be unclassified.

One of Trump's aides has already stated that he was present when Trump declared these documents to be declassified - well before he left office.

You know who *didn't* have the ability to magically declassify stuff?  Cankles Clinton with her illegal server and her 30,000 emails. She was most definitely subject to the Espionage Act and *nothing* happened to her.

Reading the warrant reveals it to be a fishing expedition since they were looking for *any* documents generated during his presidency.  It's overly-broad in violation of the 4th amendment.  This is very likely the FBI trying to clean up after the CIA, except they forgot they're not dealing with a politician who has adhered to the rules of the DC game. They're terrified that he'll run again and win and have a Republican Congress and a conservative SCOTUS - a second term means honey badger don't give a shit about the administrative state and will burn it all down and name names and declassify the proof of how crooked every single one of them is. They're especially terrified that their position as boyars all goes away and they'll no longer be able to grift on the backs of the US citizenry.

This is wrong. Even wrt stuff the Prez has the authority to declassify unilaterally, there is often a process to be followed, not simply a verbal willing of the material in question to be declassified. That's actually part of the issue here, is that Trump is claiming that he "declassified" stuff, for which the necessary declassification steps have not been taken.

There may be some things that can be declassified by a handwave, but not everything is like that. I will again point out that it is also possible to commit violations of the Espionage Act with material that has been declassified, or was never classified.

No, no there isn't. Presidents have the authority to declassify and disclose almost any classified info without following any process. "Make it so" is literally good enough. Presidents are not required to follow any procedures other than those that they themselves prescribe.  In fact, it previously came up when Trump disclosed one ally's FGI to another ally when it was invoiced in a classified document (a photo) of bombing a terrorist site - he literally posted it as a tweet with the classification markings still on it and it was legal to do so. A president has extremely broad powers in these matters that simply do not apply to his subordinates or anyone else in government.

As to the espionage act - one would have to have proof of some kind that he intended to harm the US or aid enemies using the info in his possession.  A "well, he could have" isn't that proof or it would apply to every former president in possession of information.  It needs to be proof that he was going to sell or give defense information to China, Russia, Syria, etc.  DoJ doesn't have that proof because it doesn't exist.  Again, you know who the espionage act applies to? Cankles who bleach bitted her server and physically destroyed phones even after being told to preserve records.

It's a fishing expedition and it will continue to get more embarrassing for the Biden admin. It's looking more and more like Garland realized there was nothing that would come out of the J6 persecutions to incriminate Trump, so this was his hail mary attempt and he ended up stomping on his own dick. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 06:18:37 PM
Yeah, no. There are definitely state secrets that defy the President's unilateral declassification authority. There are different levels of "classified", and they're not all treated the same with regard to Presidential authority. Presidents enjoy broad - but not unchecked - power in this regard.

And, again, the handling of even unclassififed documents can be a crime under two of the laws cited in the warrant.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 07:45:43 PM
Yeah, no. There are definitely state secrets that defy the President's unilateral declassification authority. There are different levels of "classified", and they're not all treated the same with regard to Presidential authority. Presidents enjoy broad - but not unchecked - power in this regard.

And, again, the handling of even unclassififed documents can be a crime under two of the laws cited in the warrant.

Do you really wanna play this game?

Are you an OCA? How do you mark CUI that is to be shared with our allies? What is an SCG? What is a trigraph? How do you mark working papers? What is a Distro Statement F and how does it differ from Distro A, C, or D? How many levels of US classification can UKOS equate to? What does a DoE Q or L clearance equate to and do you need it to access RD or FRD? What is the primary difference in having a S vs TS clearance? What is aggregation as it relates to whether or not something is classified? How do you store classified FGI? How does classified info get handled in regards to sharing with our allies? What is the difference between exportability and releasability? What is the difference between release and disclosure?

If you can't answer these questions without googling it, you're out of your swim lane when it comes to generating, marking, and handling classified and unclassified data, who has the authority to declassify things, and why the President is unique in this regard.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 09:25:39 PM
The fact that no, the President does not have unfettered unilateral power to declassify whatever he wants is easy enough to verify. You can throw as many acronyms as you like at that, it won't become any less true.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
And, again, classification is only part of the issue here. Mishandling of de-classified, or never classified, material, can still be illegal.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 09:34:44 PM
The fact that no, the President does not have unfettered unilateral power to declassify whatever he wants is easy enough to verify. You can throw as many acronyms as you like at that, it won't become any less true.

I see this is the part of the show where you do your best Shawn Eckardt impression in the face of undeniable proof that you're wrong. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnV90AgHQHA

No one said he could declassify everything - I stated as much. But what was seized is *not* RD or CNWDI or the identity of our spies.  Doesn't matter if it is labeled C/S/TS - if he declassified it, it's declassified. Just because he has defense information isn't a violation of the espionage act.  That the info was in storage means that he wasn't trying to destroy or hide it - espionage act still doesn't apply

News flash - CUI (the former FOUO or SBU) and declassified info (which would become CUI) does not require a GSA approved container or a SCIF - it just needs to be stored where it won't be casually taken and not strewn about for randos to look at while your reading it - a locked desk drawer is sufficient to store it when your done with it. If it is declassified and not CUI, then there are *no* restrictions in how  it gets handled.  Don't believe me?  Here's the link to a formerly confidential document located on a public website: https://maritime.org/doc/attack/index.php

That the warrant was looking for*any* documents during his presidency is so overly-broad in violation of 4A, it'll get tossed in court. But Garland knew that already and it isn't about Trump breaking the law (he didn't) - it's about inconveniencing him and distracting from the Biden admin shitshow going into the mid-terms.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 12, 2022, 09:46:23 PM
The fact that no, the President does not have unfettered unilateral power to declassify whatever he wants is easy enough to verify. You can throw as many acronyms as you like at that, it won't become any less true.

I see this is the part of the show where you do your best Shawn Eckardt impression in the face of undeniable proof that you're wrong.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnV90AgHQHA

No one said he could declassify everything - I stated as much. But what was seized is *not* RD or CNWDI or the identity of our spies.  Doesn't matter if it is labeled C/S/TS - if he declassified it, it's declassified. Just because he has defense information isn't a violation of the espionage act.  That the info was in storage means that he wasn't trying to destroy or hide it - espionage act still doesn't apply

News flash - CUI (the former FOUO or SBU) and declassified info (which would become CUI) does not require a GSA approved container or a SCIF - it just needs to be stored where it won't be casually taken and not strewn about for randos to look at while your reading it - a locked desk drawer is sufficient to store it when your done with it. If it is declassified and not CUI, then there are *no* restrictions in how  it gets handled.  Don't believe me?  Here's the link to a formerly confidential document located on a public website: https://maritime.org/doc/attack/index.php

That the warrant was looking for*any* documents during his presidency is so overly-broad in violation of 4A, it'll get tossed in court. But Garland knew that already and it isn't about Trump breaking the law (he didn't) - it's about inconveniencing him and distracting from the Biden admin shitshow going into the mid-terms.

Cool, I'll just bookmark this post for when it gets thrown out and I have to admit that you were right.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 12, 2022, 10:05:58 PM
The fact that no, the President does not have unfettered unilateral power to declassify whatever he wants is easy enough to verify. You can throw as many acronyms as you like at that, it won't become any less true.

I see this is the part of the show where you do your best Shawn Eckardt impression in the face of undeniable proof that you're wrong.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnV90AgHQHA

No one said he could declassify everything - I stated as much. But what was seized is *not* RD or CNWDI or the identity of our spies.  Doesn't matter if it is labeled C/S/TS - if he declassified it, it's declassified. Just because he has defense information isn't a violation of the espionage act.  That the info was in storage means that he wasn't trying to destroy or hide it - espionage act still doesn't apply

News flash - CUI (the former FOUO or SBU) and declassified info (which would become CUI) does not require a GSA approved container or a SCIF - it just needs to be stored where it won't be casually taken and not strewn about for randos to look at while your reading it - a locked desk drawer is sufficient to store it when your done with it. If it is declassified and not CUI, then there are *no* restrictions in how  it gets handled.  Don't believe me?  Here's the link to a formerly confidential document located on a public website: https://maritime.org/doc/attack/index.php

That the warrant was looking for*any* documents during his presidency is so overly-broad in violation of 4A, it'll get tossed in court. But Garland knew that already and it isn't about Trump breaking the law (he didn't) - it's about inconveniencing him and distracting from the Biden admin shitshow going into the mid-terms.

Cool, I'll just bookmark this post for when it gets thrown out and I have to admit that you were right.

You don't have to believe me - this pretty much spells it out explicitly:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump-describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 13, 2022, 01:21:57 AM
I do hope Trump runs again and wins.

I'll happily vote for him again. The only time I've ever voted is during the 2020 elections, and I voted straight Red just to spite the Dems.
I have no interest in playing "pick the asshole" between Dems and Repubs now, but I'll vote for the Don just because he throws such a monkey wrench in the establishment gears.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 13, 2022, 08:15:13 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 13, 2022, 09:19:54 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 13, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.

No one is arguing that. I've already explained this to you - Controlled Unclassified Information does *not* have to be handled like classified information. Regardless of it's original classification, if it is declassified and is CUI, it doesn't need to be stored in a GSA container or viewed in a SCIF. If it is declassified and not CUI, it can be freely shared.

A president can take TS/SCI/codeword info and declassify it at will. He can also turn around and make Distribution A data classified at will. 

What part of this do you still not understand.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 13, 2022, 10:09:38 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 13, 2022, 10:53:11 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
How.can you be confident that all of the documents were declassified when you state the documents collected were not specified?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 13, 2022, 11:25:09 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
How.can you be confident that all of the documents were declassified when you state the documents collected were not specified?
Because the staffers who pulled the documents to be packed and the lawyers who examined them with the FBI in June have stated that Trump declassified the documents.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 13, 2022, 11:41:47 AM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
How.can you be confident that all of the documents were declassified when you state the documents collected were not specified?
Because the staffers who pulled the documents to be packed and the lawyers who examined them with the FBI in June have stated that Trump declassified the documents.  It's that simple.
And you are absolutely sure these are the same documents? I don't think we know that for certain at this point as the documents taken thus week have not been released to the public. You are, of course, entitled to believe what you wish, but I'll wait to see what happens.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on August 13, 2022, 11:55:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IBdACLc.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 13, 2022, 01:00:57 PM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
How.can you be confident that all of the documents were declassified when you state the documents collected were not specified?
Because the staffers who pulled the documents to be packed and the lawyers who examined them with the FBI in June have stated that Trump declassified the documents.  It's that simple.
And you are absolutely sure these are the same documents? I don't think we know that for certain at this point as the documents taken thus week have not been released to the public. You are, of course, entitled to believe what you wish, but I'll wait to see what happens.

It doesn't really matter what was seized - by virtue of the fact that they were shipped to him and were in storage at Mir-a-Lago means that they were declassified before the GSA packed them and shipped them to Florida.  Unless you are suggesting that there was some man in the middle attack where someone snuck out documents, intercepted the shipment, and swapped them out?

Here's the thing - any president has the authority to declassify things under their own recognizance. They don't need to follow any formal process. 

The left are arguing that he needed permission to declassify them.  Why would a president need permission to declassify from a subordinate whose authority has been delegated *from* the president?

Garland and Wray whined about the DoJ and FBI being harassed because they're all patriotic do-gooders - and immediately thereafter one of them leaked "we're looking for nukular secretz!!" to the press.

Why did the judge who was "assigned" the job of authorizing the warrant recuse himself from the Trump v. Clinton trial days before he was "assigned" the job?  How could he possibly know to recuse himself? What did he knew and when did he know it - and who assigned him? What's the odds of the FBI agent who worked J6 also being involved in this raid? What are the chances of him being the affiant on the affidavit that produced the warrant to raid MaL? 

The problem here is the AG and FBI director have allowed their agencies to become the DNC's Gestapo.  Some have speculated that this is FBI cleaning up after CIA trying to ensure that if one of the things that Trump declassified is Crossfire Hurricane info proving that it was part of oppo research on behalf of Clinton, that it never sees the light of day.  Unfortunately this misuse of the FBI goes back decades since we know that many many politicians were terrified of the dirt that J Edgar Hoover collected on them over the years.  We have FBI agents testifying that they planted explosives in a vehicle used by one of the Whitmer goobs just to be able to seize it as evidence and that an undercover slept in the same bed and smoked dope with one of the Whitmer goobs, in villain of the law. If they were willing to do that, they're willing to engage in shenanigans regarding the one guy in politics who can't be bought and who is capable of burying them all.

Meanwhile, a guy who was on the FBI's radar tried to shoot up the Cincinnati field office and an Iran supporter just tried to scuff Rushdie.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 13, 2022, 01:09:39 PM
Also being overlooked is that none of the statutes listed in the search warrant actually require the documents to be classified.
Have they made the warrant public? I must have missed that.

Yes. Garland claimed they would release it unless Trump objected. He called Garland's bluff by immediately requesting the warrant to be released. It's an overly-broad warrant that is very likely to be ruled by a judge to be unconstitutional in violation of the 4th Amendment because it is looking for *any* documents that were during Trump's term of office. The property receipts list some classified documents without specifying what they were - all of which Trump and his aides confirmed were declassified before he left office. Also in the fridge we're things like Roger Stone's clemency document - none of it having to do with nuclear anything. Just so people understand - DoE documents are not marked the same as other classified documents - they would be either RD or CNWDI - none of which were indicated in the property receipt.

The affidavit is still sealed - and that is more important as it will detail what the PC was to get the warrant - and I think we'll find that whoever submitted the affidavit will need to get their affairs in order and clear their calendar (and how a good lawyer) to defend against a false official statement charge.
How.can you be confident that all of the documents were declassified when you state the documents collected were not specified?
Because the staffers who pulled the documents to be packed and the lawyers who examined them with the FBI in June have stated that Trump declassified the documents.  It's that simple.
And you are absolutely sure these are the same documents? I don't think we know that for certain at this point as the documents taken thus week have not been released to the public. You are, of course, entitled to believe what you wish, but I'll wait to see what happens.

It doesn't really matter what was seized - by virtue of the fact that they were shipped to him and were in storage at Mir-a-Lago means that they were declassified before the GSA packed them and shipped them to Florida.  Unless you are suggesting that there was some man in the middle attack where someone snuck out documents, intercepted the shipment, and swapped them out?

Here's the thing - any president has the authority to declassify things under their own recognizance. They don't need to follow any formal process. 

The left are arguing that he needed permission to declassify them.  Why would a president need permission to declassify from a subordinate whose authority has been delegated *from* the president?

Garland and Wray whined about the DoJ and FBI being harassed because they're all patriotic do-gooders - and immediately thereafter one of them leaked "we're looking for nukular secretz!!" to the press.

Why did the judge who was "assigned" the job of authorizing the warrant recuse himself from the Trump v. Clinton trial days before he was "assigned" the job?  How could he possibly know to recuse himself? What did he knew and when did he know it - and who assigned him? What's the odds of the FBI agent who worked J6 also being involved in this raid? What are the chances of him being the affiant on the affidavit that produced the warrant to raid MaL? 

The problem here is the AG and FBI director have allowed their agencies to become the DNC's Gestapo.  Some have speculated that this is FBI cleaning up after CIA trying to ensure that if one of the things that Trump declassified is Crossfire Hurricane info proving that it was part of oppo research on behalf of Clinton, that it never sees the light of day.  Unfortunately this misuse of the FBI goes back decades since we know that many many politicians were terrified of the dirt that J Edgar Hoover collected on them over the years.  We have FBI agents testifying that they planted explosives in a vehicle used by one of the Whitmer goobs just to be able to seize it as evidence and that an undercover slept in the same bed and smoked dope with one of the Whitmer goobs, in villain of the law. If they were willing to do that, they're willing to engage in shenanigans regarding the one guy in politics who can't be bought and who is capable of burying them all.

Meanwhile, a guy who was on the FBI's radar tried to shoot up the Cincinnati field office and an Iran supporter just tried to scuff Rushdie.
The only thing I'm suggesting is that there is not enough publicly available information to know for certain what was found and exactly how it will be used in furthering the warrant. I prefer not to speculate here, and would rather wait and see the outcome rather than jumping to conclusions.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Koltar on August 13, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IBdACLc.jpg)

Would that be the FBI version of doing "J Edgar Hoover cosplay"?

- Ed C.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 14, 2022, 04:27:10 PM
  This another case of a fed informant creating a crime?  The feds seem pretty good at creating crimes they rush in to solve.  I know a deputy who was set up and assassinated a few days ago.  Lots of people know cops that this happened to.  How about the shitbird in DC decide to do something about that sort of thing and STFU about orange man making them mad? 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on August 15, 2022, 10:42:53 PM
Greetings!

I think it is so funny--and richly appropriate--that so many Libtards simply *look* like they are fucking delusional, maniacal idiots. Ever check out the *many* photos of Libtards in public, at protests, matches, whatever. They are on their knees, sobbing; or how many of them have that bug-eyed gaze that is a HUGE RED FLAG that they are absolutely fucking nuts? Then there are so many episodes where a Conservative is attempting to have a reasonable discussion with a Libtard--and it is like you can time it to the minute--typically in less than 15 minutes, the Libtard is crying, sobbing, calling the Conservative names, and literally melting down into a screaming mess.

If *I* was a Liberal, I would definitely want to get the fuck away from all of these shrieking, crying, emotionally incontinent morons! These people are delusional, and fucking *NUTS* ;D

I was recently watching several news videos, and over and over again, I'm seeing shots of all these fucking nutty Libtards. So sad that they are so mentally dysfunctional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 25, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 25, 2022, 07:43:34 PM
Shocking that the government should adhere to the 5th Amendment, and forgive loans as was laid out when they were implemented.

Did all the student loans have a clause that they would be forgiven in the future?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: RandyB on August 25, 2022, 07:50:55 PM
Kill all debt.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 26, 2022, 07:23:23 AM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in? 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 26, 2022, 09:55:04 AM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in?

In this case, the people complaining are congresscritters who had large PPP loans forgiven.  Try to keep up.

In other news, RNC has been caught on leaked audio taking marching orders from billionaire Steve Wynn (inb4 BUT MUH GEORGE SOROS):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/25/rnc-conference-call-steve-wynn/
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on August 26, 2022, 10:33:42 AM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in?

In this case, the people complaining are congresscritters who had large PPP loans forgiven.  Try to keep up.

In other news, RNC has been caught on leaked audio taking marching orders from billionaire Steve Wynn (inb4 BUT MUH GEORGE SOROS):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/25/rnc-conference-call-steve-wynn/
The RNC is just the other wing of the Uni-Party bird. Mitch McConnell has made it clear that he would rather keep the Senate in Democrat hands than allow MAGA candidates to win their elections.

The mistake being made is assume the fight is between Dems and Pubs. The fight is between Populists and the Uni-Party with the Pub wing as the battleground.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 26, 2022, 11:46:26 AM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in?

In this case, the people complaining are congresscritters who had large PPP loans forgiven.  Try to keep up.

In other news, RNC has been caught on leaked audio taking marching orders from billionaire Steve Wynn (inb4 BUT MUH GEORGE SOROS):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/25/rnc-conference-call-steve-wynn/

Or pretending that those are the only people complkaining and using them as justification to fuck over the people by transfering wealth from the 40% poorest Americans to the 60% wealthiest.

For a commie you're very happy to fuck the working class to benefit the burgoise.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 26, 2022, 12:30:59 PM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 26, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
I'm just glad I was able to dance between the raindrops again. I defaulted on my private student loans, and then just didn't pay them. So eventually they went away and now I'm back to a credit score of 740 and it keeps climbing. Now 20k of my government debt went away. Then because I've been making my payments consistently, in another... 15 years or so, it's gonna get discharged because I signed up for an IDR repayment and then it'll get forgiven (but I will need to pay taxes on that one).

The System is out to fuck you. But if you're smart you can use the System to benefit yourself. Anybody who doesn't - well, a quote misattributed to P.T. Barnum is relevant here.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 26, 2022, 01:22:55 PM
Wait until deadbeats who got student loans for gender studies degrees that they can't afford to pay back find out that the loan "forgiveness" is considered taxable income by the state they live in.

The fools hear loan "forgiveness" while everyone else knows it's really loan transferral.  The lenders aren't not getting paid - they're just being paid by the feds instead of the borrower, which means taxpayers are footing the bill.  That's what don't get - federal loans are still loans from private lenders; the feds are just acting as guarantors.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 26, 2022, 02:28:22 PM
Yeah but I don't have to pay for it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 27, 2022, 12:26:14 AM
What I find sad about the PPP thing is how Democrat politicans expected their followers to be stupid enough to not understand the basic difference between a PPP loan, and a student loan, or expect that they were dishonest enough to go along with the misdirection.

Really, the party keeps finding new ways to sink even lower.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 27, 2022, 12:27:20 AM
Wait until deadbeats who got student loans for gender studies degrees that they can't afford to pay back find out that the loan "forgiveness" is considered taxable income by the state they live in.

The fools hear loan "forgiveness" while everyone else knows it's really loan transferral.  The lenders aren't not getting paid - they're just being paid by the feds instead of the borrower, which means taxpayers are footing the bill.  That's what don't get - federal loans are still loans from private lenders; the feds are just acting as guarantors.

Gotta loot that treasury while they can.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 27, 2022, 01:09:46 AM
What I find sad about the PPP thing is how Democrat politicans expected their followers to be stupid enough to not understand the basic difference between a PPP loan, and a student loan, or expect that they were dishonest enough to go along with the misdirection.

Really, the party keeps finding new ways to sink even lower.

There is no difference. All usury is evil. Any kind of loan is bad. Either you own something or you don't. Money that you "owe" to someone is a fiction. The problem with today's economy is people forget that one simple fact.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 27, 2022, 08:44:45 AM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.

It's only popular amongst leftists cunts like you who think that they should have been given six figure incomes to prattle on about their "insights" while armed with worthless degrees that cost them $70,000.  If you spent tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a degree and you can't get a job beyond being a coffee-slinger or pizza delivery boy, you fucked up. 

It's not the responsibility of the girl who graduated from high school and started at $10/hr being a tool helper before finishing an apprenticeship as an electrician who is making $50k/yr to pay the loan off for the guy with a PhD in intersectional sociology who is $100k in debt.

It's not the responsibility of the guy who worked 3 jobs in college and ate ramen for weeks on end to pay for a degree.

It's not the responsibility of the person who paid back their loans.

It's not the responsibility of people who used one of the already existing loan forgiveness programs (all of which require some type of public service or a minimum number of payments to already be made).

Biden's "plan" for this is like everything else this administration does - rushed, not well thought out as to the secondary or tertiary effects, and not properly priced out.  More importantly, it's telling people that irresponsibility will be rewarded.  Fuck that and fuck anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Wanna have your $100k racial gender studies degree loan forgiven? Go scrub the human excrement and pick up the used heroin needles off the streets of SF and LA.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 27, 2022, 08:57:37 AM
What I find sad about the PPP thing is how Democrat politicans expected their followers to be stupid enough to not understand the basic difference between a PPP loan, and a student loan, or expect that they were dishonest enough to go along with the misdirection.

Really, the party keeps finding new ways to sink even lower.

Well, most of the liberals really are that stupid, as are plenty of those on the right.

*Most* people never read past the headline. Most never do their own research (or even know how to).

That having been said, the PPP loans were also a terrible idea.  Why were they given out to those who used them to avoid eating into profits, or give themselves bonuses? Why does Paul Pelosi need a PPP loan (or that it be forgiven?) Why are there *billions* in fraudulent PPP loans in the process of being recovered and the people who received them being prosecuted?

What should have happened with the PPP loans was that the company should have had to have been vetted as ready to lay people off or unable to make payroll.  Not "well we only made $1M this quarter instead of the $5M we normally would." Instead we get shit like "Insider Trading Pelosi" being given a forgiven PPP loan and "aspiring rapper" Mo Fayne going to jail for using a PPP loan to buy $85000 in jewelry and a $136000 Rolls Royce.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 27, 2022, 08:58:40 AM
There's an argument to be made that such loans are predatory, and serve to manipulate and influence dumb college students/grads, once the hooks are in.

Keep in mind, though, this isn't about 'doing something for poor college grads'. Nothing so grand and altruistic. No, this is about propping up the atrocious polling for Dems who are looking down a twelve gauge barrel of electoral repercussions, even with their buddy Mitch the Bitch trying to derail things.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 27, 2022, 11:00:32 AM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.

It's only popular amongst leftists cunts like you who think that they should have been given six figure incomes to prattle on about their "insights" while armed with worthless degrees that cost them $70,000.  If you spent tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a degree and you can't get a job beyond being a coffee-slinger or pizza delivery boy, you fucked up. 

It's not the responsibility of the girl who graduated from high school and started at $10/hr being a tool helper before finishing an apprenticeship as an electrician who is making $50k/yr to pay the loan off for the guy with a PhD in intersectional sociology who is $100k in debt.

It's not the responsibility of the guy who worked 3 jobs in college and ate ramen for weeks on end to pay for a degree.

It's not the responsibility of the person who paid back their loans.

It's not the responsibility of people who used one of the already existing loan forgiveness programs (all of which require some type of public service or a minimum number of payments to already be made).

Biden's "plan" for this is like everything else this administration does - rushed, not well thought out as to the secondary or tertiary effects, and not properly priced out.  More importantly, it's telling people that irresponsibility will be rewarded.  Fuck that and fuck anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Wanna have your $100k racial gender studies degree loan forgiven? Go scrub the human excrement and pick up the used heroin needles off the streets of SF and LA.

No, it is, because they're taxpayers, and the powers that be decided that my college bill is now going to be outsourced to the rubes that pay taxes. Doesn't matter what it is - and I spent my college money partying, because I had scholarships and private loans (that I defaulted and waited out the statute on).

Only a sucker plays against a system that's rigged against them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 27, 2022, 11:32:13 AM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.

It's only popular amongst leftists cunts like you who think that they should have been given six figure incomes to prattle on about their "insights" while armed with worthless degrees that cost them $70,000.  If you spent tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a degree and you can't get a job beyond being a coffee-slinger or pizza delivery boy, you fucked up. 

It's not the responsibility of the girl who graduated from high school and started at $10/hr being a tool helper before finishing an apprenticeship as an electrician who is making $50k/yr to pay the loan off for the guy with a PhD in intersectional sociology who is $100k in debt.

It's not the responsibility of the guy who worked 3 jobs in college and ate ramen for weeks on end to pay for a degree.

It's not the responsibility of the person who paid back their loans.

It's not the responsibility of people who used one of the already existing loan forgiveness programs (all of which require some type of public service or a minimum number of payments to already be made).

Biden's "plan" for this is like everything else this administration does - rushed, not well thought out as to the secondary or tertiary effects, and not properly priced out.  More importantly, it's telling people that irresponsibility will be rewarded.  Fuck that and fuck anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Wanna have your $100k racial gender studies degree loan forgiven? Go scrub the human excrement and pick up the used heroin needles off the streets of SF and LA.

No, it is, because they're taxpayers, and the powers that be decided that my college bill is now going to be outsourced to the rubes that pay taxes. Doesn't matter what it is - and I spent my college money partying, because I had scholarships and private loans (that I defaulted and waited out the statute on).

Only a sucker plays against a system that's rigged against them.

The fact that you think it's acceptable to not pay your debts when you have the ability to do so is exactly why there shouldn't be any student loan forgiveness.  We're need to get back to the point where going back on a man's word could result in his death.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 27, 2022, 12:22:38 PM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.

It's only popular amongst leftists cunts like you who think that they should have been given six figure incomes to prattle on about their "insights" while armed with worthless degrees that cost them $70,000.  If you spent tens of thousands of dollars to obtain a degree and you can't get a job beyond being a coffee-slinger or pizza delivery boy, you fucked up. 

It's not the responsibility of the girl who graduated from high school and started at $10/hr being a tool helper before finishing an apprenticeship as an electrician who is making $50k/yr to pay the loan off for the guy with a PhD in intersectional sociology who is $100k in debt.

It's not the responsibility of the guy who worked 3 jobs in college and ate ramen for weeks on end to pay for a degree.

It's not the responsibility of the person who paid back their loans.

It's not the responsibility of people who used one of the already existing loan forgiveness programs (all of which require some type of public service or a minimum number of payments to already be made).

Biden's "plan" for this is like everything else this administration does - rushed, not well thought out as to the secondary or tertiary effects, and not properly priced out.  More importantly, it's telling people that irresponsibility will be rewarded.  Fuck that and fuck anyone who thinks it's a good idea.

Wanna have your $100k racial gender studies degree loan forgiven? Go scrub the human excrement and pick up the used heroin needles off the streets of SF and LA.

No, it is, because they're taxpayers, and the powers that be decided that my college bill is now going to be outsourced to the rubes that pay taxes. Doesn't matter what it is - and I spent my college money partying, because I had scholarships and private loans (that I defaulted and waited out the statute on).

Only a sucker plays against a system that's rigged against them.

The fact that you think it's acceptable to not pay your debts when you have the ability to do so is exactly why there shouldn't be any student loan forgiveness.  We're need to get back to the point where going back on a man's word could result in his death.

So you're for Sharia law, then?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 27, 2022, 01:33:31 PM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in?

In this case, the people complaining are congresscritters who had large PPP loans forgiven.  Try to keep up.

In other news, RNC has been caught on leaked audio taking marching orders from billionaire Steve Wynn (inb4 BUT MUH GEORGE SOROS):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/25/rnc-conference-call-steve-wynn/

  Have you just now found out ALL the higher ups in the US government are controlled by Billionaire activists?   It must be rough just now seeing how it works.  If you think anything the RNC does has jack shit to do with where my thoughts are, you are in a retarded upside down no principle world.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on August 27, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.
 
   McDonalds and pop music are very popular too.   idiots are often very happy with emotional short term "rewards".  I think the time to be ruled by idiots is coming towards an ending.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on August 27, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Nice ad hominem. This is an ovrwhelmingly popular move here in the states. It's not going to affect the working class, except by helping them with their student loan debt.

If this move is overwhelmingly popular, then why are so many people complaining about it?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on August 27, 2022, 03:03:35 PM
LMAO the official White House Twitter account is quote tweeting Republicans who bitch about college loan forgiveness, along with the amount of their forgiven PPP loans.

Dark Brandon is NOT havin' it. HAIL!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1562916200866267138

  Not having what?  People complain when people do not pay back the money they borrowed and promised to pay back?  What kind of upside down retard zero principle world do you live in?

In this case, the people complaining are congresscritters who had large PPP loans forgiven.  Try to keep up.

In other news, RNC has been caught on leaked audio taking marching orders from billionaire Steve Wynn (inb4 BUT MUH GEORGE SOROS):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/25/rnc-conference-call-steve-wynn/

  Have you just now found out ALL the higher ups in the US government are controlled by Billionaire activists?   It must be rough just now seeing how it works.  If you think anything the RNC does has jack shit to do with where my thoughts are, you are in a retarded upside down no principle world.

Dude, it's Tubesock Amy. Fucked In The Head is a normal state of being.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DefNotAnInsiderNopeNoWay on August 27, 2022, 04:18:48 PM
Keep calling us nutjobs or psychos for being leftists (I also find it HILLARIOUS that your media bubble still hasn't actually taught you that Liberal values and politics are actually right-wing and support conservatism, but that's another matter entirely) we really don't mind,  we will just keep on winning. All that kind of vitriol does is reinforces the evidence that you're all hopelessly indoctrinated into one or more violence-worshiping death cults. Keep buying up your unregulated counterfeit fake gold and silver coins, collecting rancid PATRIOT SURVIVAL meals for an impending societal collapse, and living in denial that you're not only in the minority the rest of us either look down on, pity or are simply disgusted by your actions and beliefs.

I do wonder at what point the whole movement finally goes south and either fails/implodes into a suicide pact or is snuffed by law enforcement like all proper cults.

It's really neat seeing how braindead you all are actually openly wishing for or pretending that one day you will manifest actual death or civil war against the more reasonably sane 67% of the country as well as the entire armed forces of the west. Might as well invest in cyanide capsules now because if you have your way I promise that will be a much more swift and merciful end to your miserable existence than what will actually end up coming down the pipeline.

<3 XOXO
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on August 27, 2022, 04:30:28 PM
Keep calling us nutjobs or psychos for being leftists (I also find it HILLARIOUS that your media bubble still hasn't actually taught you that Liberal values and politics are actually right-wing and support conservatism, but that's another matter entirely) we really don't mind,  we will just keep on winning. All that kind of vitriol does is reinforces the evidence that you're all hopelessly indoctrinated into one or more violence-worshiping death cults. Keep buying up your unregulated counterfeit fake gold and silver coins, collecting rancid PATRIOT SURVIVAL meals for an impending societal collapse, and living in denial that you're not only in the minority the rest of us either look down on, pity or are simply disgusted by your actions and beliefs.

I do wonder at what point the whole movement finally goes south and either fails/implodes into a suicide pact or is snuffed by law enforcement like all proper cults.

It's really neat seeing how braindead you all are actually openly wishing for or pretending that one day you will manifest actual death or civil war against the more reasonably sane 67% of the country as well as the entire armed forces of the west. Might as well invest in cyanide capsules now because if you have your way I promise that will be a much more swift and merciful end to your miserable existence than what will actually end up coming down the pipeline.

<3 XOXO

I see that you have skipped your meds again today....
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 28, 2022, 12:10:30 AM
Keep calling us nutjobs or psychos for being leftists (I also find it HILLARIOUS that your media bubble still hasn't actually taught you that Liberal values and politics are actually right-wing and support conservatism, but that's another matter entirely) we really don't mind,  we will just keep on winning. All that kind of vitriol does is reinforces the evidence that you're all hopelessly indoctrinated into one or more violence-worshiping death cults. Keep buying up your unregulated counterfeit fake gold and silver coins, collecting rancid PATRIOT SURVIVAL meals for an impending societal collapse, and living in denial that you're not only in the minority the rest of us either look down on, pity or are simply disgusted by your actions and beliefs.

I do wonder at what point the whole movement finally goes south and either fails/implodes into a suicide pact or is snuffed by law enforcement like all proper cults.

It's really neat seeing how braindead you all are actually openly wishing for or pretending that one day you will manifest actual death or civil war against the more reasonably sane 67% of the country as well as the entire armed forces of the west. Might as well invest in cyanide capsules now because if you have your way I promise that will be a much more swift and merciful end to your miserable existence than what will actually end up coming down the pipeline.

<3 XOXO

I see that you have skipped your meds again today....
There's no meds strong enough to fix what's wrong with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 28, 2022, 01:25:40 AM
What I find sad about the PPP thing is how Democrat politicans expected their followers to be stupid enough to not understand the basic difference between a PPP loan, and a student loan, or expect that they were dishonest enough to go along with the misdirection.

Really, the party keeps finding new ways to sink even lower.

Well, most of the liberals really are that stupid, as are plenty of those on the right.

*Most* people never read past the headline. Most never do their own research (or even know how to).

That having been said, the PPP loans were also a terrible idea.  Why were they given out to those who used them to avoid eating into profits, or give themselves bonuses? Why does Paul Pelosi need a PPP loan (or that it be forgiven?) Why are there *billions* in fraudulent PPP loans in the process of being recovered and the people who received them being prosecuted?

What should have happened with the PPP loans was that the company should have had to have been vetted as ready to lay people off or unable to make payroll.  Not "well we only made $1M this quarter instead of the $5M we normally would." Instead we get shit like "Insider Trading Pelosi" being given a forgiven PPP loan and "aspiring rapper" Mo Fayne going to jail for using a PPP loan to buy $85000 in jewelry and a $136000 Rolls Royce.

Hell, no argument from me on that one.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 28, 2022, 05:23:10 AM
Keep calling us nutjobs or psychos for being leftists (I also find it HILLARIOUS that your media bubble still hasn't actually taught you that Liberal values and politics are actually right-wing and support conservatism, but that's another matter entirely) we really don't mind,  we will just keep on winning. All that kind of vitriol does is reinforces the evidence that you're all hopelessly indoctrinated into one or more violence-worshiping death cults. Keep buying up your unregulated counterfeit fake gold and silver coins, collecting rancid PATRIOT SURVIVAL meals for an impending societal collapse, and living in denial that you're not only in the minority the rest of us either look down on, pity or are simply disgusted by your actions and beliefs.

I do wonder at what point the whole movement finally goes south and either fails/implodes into a suicide pact or is snuffed by law enforcement like all proper cults.

It's really neat seeing how braindead you all are actually openly wishing for or pretending that one day you will manifest actual death or civil war against the more reasonably sane 67% of the country as well as the entire armed forces of the west. Might as well invest in cyanide capsules now because if you have your way I promise that will be a much more swift and merciful end to your miserable existence than what will actually end up coming down the pipeline.

<3 XOXO

I see that you have skipped your meds again today....
There's no meds strong enough to fix what's wrong with it.
Well, there are, but they have some nasty side effects...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 28, 2022, 09:31:16 AM
What's wrong with being in a death cult?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 29, 2022, 12:32:59 AM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Snowman0147 on August 30, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
The government should just end these loans and bring back bankruptcy to those that cannot pay.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on August 30, 2022, 12:38:38 AM
If the universities don't feel the pain in the wallet, they will not stop.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 30, 2022, 02:38:22 AM
This isn't about predatory loans. It's about buying goodwill for the midterms.
My twitter account pretty much drowned in tweets from the White House, Joe Biden and Democrat reps and governors that I'd never even heard of, much less follow.
This is all calculated political manuvering, and it's working.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 30, 2022, 12:18:06 PM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on August 30, 2022, 01:45:54 PM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

The PPP loans would have been different if there were controls to make sure only those who needed it to survive got it. Instead we got billions of PPP loans given out fraudulently with no hope of ever recovering it.

As to too big to fail - *all* of them should be lined up in front of a wall if proven guilty. Crooked wall streeters, scumbag politicians, enablers, burdens to society.  All of them.  I don't care if it's a 5 term Republican senator or a Democrat hedge funder or an antifa rioter.  If your primary activity is lining your own pockets or destroying existing constitutional norms at the expense of your constituents, customers, or innocent bystanders, and your refuse to stop, you deserve nothing but death.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Osman Gazi on August 31, 2022, 11:36:38 AM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

I'm not sure what you're including in the "16 trillion to Wall St", but keep in mind that every penny of TARP (authorized at $700 billion but later reduced to $475 billion, then further reduced to $427 billion) was repaid, and the Treasury actually made money on the deal (they got back about $442 billion).

Was it a good idea?  I don't know, that will be debated for years to come.  Maybe we should have let the banks and brokerage houses fail, and let the pension funds/401(k) monies that invested in them to fail as well, and let the workers who were promised those pensions get screwed as a result.  But the government (well, ultimately, the taxpayer) didn't lose any money on the deal.  We got it all back, and then some.

With student loan forgiveness, there's no expectation of repayment.  It's categorically different in that regard.  If they tied it to some kind of national service (kind of a retroactive ROTC scholarship program), we'd at least get some work out of the outlay.  But this is just a gift, for nothing in return (well, except votes for Democrats...which I think is pretty much the entire point.)  Or even returning to allowing student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy would target the people in the greatest need of debt relief, and not everyone who's making up to $125,000/year (or $250,000 for married couples) getting a free $10,000 if they still have outstanding student loan debt.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Osman Gazi on August 31, 2022, 11:41:14 AM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

The PPP loans would have been different if there were controls to make sure only those who needed it to survive got it. Instead we got billions of PPP loans given out fraudulently with no hope of ever recovering it.

As to too big to fail - *all* of them should be lined up in front of a wall if proven guilty. Crooked wall streeters, scumbag politicians, enablers, burdens to society.  All of them.  I don't care if it's a 5 term Republican senator or a Democrat hedge funder or an antifa rioter.  If your primary activity is lining your own pockets or destroying existing constitutional norms at the expense of your constituents, customers, or innocent bystanders, and your refuse to stop, you deserve nothing but death.

I'm not against harsh penalties for the scum that enabled the crash in 2008.  But I would never expect that to happen, in that the politicians elected to enforce the law are in bed with those very people.  It ain't gonna happen.  Instead, we continue to re-elect the politicians, the crooked bankers keep making more money, we monetize the debt and inflate the currency, and the economy gets weaker and everyone downstream gets poorer.

Who do we blame?  Well, who are voting for those corrupt politicians, any way?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 31, 2022, 07:53:49 PM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

I'm not sure what you're including in the "16 trillion to Wall St", but keep in mind that every penny of TARP (authorized at $700 billion but later reduced to $475 billion, then further reduced to $427 billion) was repaid, and the Treasury actually made money on the deal (they got back about $442 billion).

Was it a good idea?  I don't know, that will be debated for years to come.  Maybe we should have let the banks and brokerage houses fail, and let the pension funds/401(k) monies that invested in them to fail as well, and let the workers who were promised those pensions get screwed as a result.  But the government (well, ultimately, the taxpayer) didn't lose any money on the deal.  We got it all back, and then some.

With student loan forgiveness, there's no expectation of repayment.  It's categorically different in that regard.  If they tied it to some kind of national service (kind of a retroactive ROTC scholarship program), we'd at least get some work out of the outlay.  But this is just a gift, for nothing in return (well, except votes for Democrats...which I think is pretty much the entire point.)  Or even returning to allowing student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy would target the people in the greatest need of debt relief, and not everyone who's making up to $125,000/year (or $250,000 for married couples) getting a free $10,000 if they still have outstanding student loan debt.

>16 Trillion to Wall St.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/?sh=183bfa0026b0 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/?sh=183bfa0026b0)
You know when the pedophiles working in Wall St tanked the US economy? And now, these same pedophiles are tanking the housing market. See: Blackrock. The pedophiles are getting trillions of dollars in bailouts, because they're "too big to fail." Well, I say let them fail. If people are stupid enough to trust their money to pedophiles, let them lose their money. Then they finally do what they're supposed to, and start shooting bankers, pedophiles, and politicians in the street.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on August 31, 2022, 07:55:14 PM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

The PPP loans would have been different if there were controls to make sure only those who needed it to survive got it. Instead we got billions of PPP loans given out fraudulently with no hope of ever recovering it.

As to too big to fail - *all* of them should be lined up in front of a wall if proven guilty. Crooked wall streeters, scumbag politicians, enablers, burdens to society.  All of them.  I don't care if it's a 5 term Republican senator or a Democrat hedge funder or an antifa rioter.  If your primary activity is lining your own pockets or destroying existing constitutional norms at the expense of your constituents, customers, or innocent bystanders, and your refuse to stop, you deserve nothing but death.

I'm not against harsh penalties for the scum that enabled the crash in 2008.  But I would never expect that to happen, in that the politicians elected to enforce the law are in bed with those very people.  It ain't gonna happen.  Instead, we continue to re-elect the politicians, the crooked bankers keep making more money, we monetize the debt and inflate the currency, and the economy gets weaker and everyone downstream gets poorer.

Who do we blame?  Well, who are voting for those corrupt politicians, any way?

And yet, people are FAR more outraged over the 20k loan forgiveness per student, totaling under $600 billion, rather than the multiple trillions of bailouts given to corporate pedophiles.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 01, 2022, 05:28:28 AM
  Loans forgiven already forgotten since Biden is out here saying he is ready to take on MAGA with his F-15's.   Does the retard understand POTUS's can and have been killed before?  I would also say that is a nutty tone to take against damn near half the country (granted anyone interested in putting the interests of the USA first and focusing on improving the USA is of course a racist interested in only genocide) and then call yourself a unifier.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Osman Gazi on September 01, 2022, 09:37:01 AM
LOL, I didn't knew what a PPP "loan" was. Afdter finding out comparing defaulting on those "loans" with college debt "forgiveness" is dumb as fuck, doesn't surprize me cocksuck soyarmy falls for that.


How is it different? It's still a loan that you need to pay back and then some people, including pedophile politicians, got those loans forgiven. How's that different?

Or let's go back further, and remember how the pedophile politicians gave 16 trillion to Wall St when they fucked up, because the banks were too big to fail. How is that different?

I'm not sure what you're including in the "16 trillion to Wall St", but keep in mind that every penny of TARP (authorized at $700 billion but later reduced to $475 billion, then further reduced to $427 billion) was repaid, and the Treasury actually made money on the deal (they got back about $442 billion).

Was it a good idea?  I don't know, that will be debated for years to come.  Maybe we should have let the banks and brokerage houses fail, and let the pension funds/401(k) monies that invested in them to fail as well, and let the workers who were promised those pensions get screwed as a result.  But the government (well, ultimately, the taxpayer) didn't lose any money on the deal.  We got it all back, and then some.

With student loan forgiveness, there's no expectation of repayment.  It's categorically different in that regard.  If they tied it to some kind of national service (kind of a retroactive ROTC scholarship program), we'd at least get some work out of the outlay.  But this is just a gift, for nothing in return (well, except votes for Democrats...which I think is pretty much the entire point.)  Or even returning to allowing student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy would target the people in the greatest need of debt relief, and not everyone who's making up to $125,000/year (or $250,000 for married couples) getting a free $10,000 if they still have outstanding student loan debt.

>16 Trillion to Wall St.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/?sh=183bfa0026b0 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/traceygreenstein/2011/09/20/the-feds-16-trillion-bailouts-under-reported/?sh=183bfa0026b0)
You know when the pedophiles working in Wall St tanked the US economy? And now, these same pedophiles are tanking the housing market. See: Blackrock. The pedophiles are getting trillions of dollars in bailouts, because they're "too big to fail." Well, I say let them fail. If people are stupid enough to trust their money to pedophiles, let them lose their money. Then they finally do what they're supposed to, and start shooting bankers, pedophiles, and politicians in the street.

Thanks, I found the actual GAO report to which the Forbes article referred: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-11-696.pdf

I'll take some time to read it.  I don't trust either the media nor politicians to interpret it correctly (and as for the reliability of the GAO--well, we'll see).  That said, it would not surprise me if it includes some very unsavory backroom dealings by Wall Street and politicians.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on September 01, 2022, 10:35:20 AM
  Loans forgiven already forgotten since Biden is out here saying he is ready to take on MAGA with his F-15's.   Does the retard understand POTUS's can and have been killed before?  I would also say that is a nutty tone to take against damn near half the country (granted anyone interested in putting the interests of the USA first and focusing on improving the USA is of course a racist interested in only genocide) and then call yourself a unifier.

Well, whenever anybody talks about how nobody can take the government on because the US government has jets and the insurrectionists don't - I always remind them how the US got our asses kicked by a bunch of rice farmers and then goat fuckers. And given how reliant the US is on its shitty infrastructure... I'm in NYC and we had a massive fucking blackout because there was a chokepoint failure point. Now imagine someone striking those choke points deliberately.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 01, 2022, 11:13:26 AM
  Oh make no mistake, i think all the loud talk from media and grampy-shits-his-pants is covering real concern and fear.  You dont build a huge fence and bring in thousands of troops to surround buildings in the capital because you are actually confident in your security.   I just feel pushing the gas on such rhetoric, especially from an old man who never even got into a fist fight (corn pop standoff notwithstanding) is not a great look for a “unifier”.  It wouldnt be a great look from an actual tuff guy, but from a guy who gets his ass kicked by a bicycle???
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 01, 2022, 12:58:57 PM
  Oh make no mistake, i think all the loud talk from media and grampy-shits-his-pants is covering real concern and fear.  You dont build a huge fence and bring in thousands of troops to surround buildings in the capital because you are actually confident in your security.   I just feel pushing the gas on such rhetoric, especially from an old man who never even got into a fist fight (corn pop standoff notwithstanding) is not a great look for a “unifier”.  It wouldnt be a great look from an actual tuff guy, but from a guy who gets his ass kicked by a bicycle???

Here's the deal. Waterhead claimed that patriotic Americans are a threat to democracy. What he really meant was they are a threat to the continued grift by politicians. 

There are plenty of grandfathers and grandmothers who identify with MAGA as a movement upholding traditional patriotic America values as a bulwark against leftist insanity who he just called a threat. There are many of them who have actually been in combat and have killed people.  The moment you open the door to trying to confiscate their arms or throw them in jail for disagreeing with the people running the government (who are doing so exactly opposite of how a republic is supposed to be run), and many of them (who are getting up in years) will have zero reason to *not* start killing politicians.  And they'll have allies in the form of younger combat vets, sympathetic federal employees in LEAs or the military, as well as all of their neighbors who may be in the National Guard.  I think the Biden Admin will be unpleasantly surprised if they ever blatantly try something on a larger scale and come to find that there will be active resistance.

To put it another way - MAGA folks don't hate the US's form of government - they hate the criminals who are running it and the country into the ground.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE on September 01, 2022, 02:44:11 PM
  Oh make no mistake, i think all the loud talk from media and grampy-shits-his-pants is covering real concern and fear.  You dont build a huge fence and bring in thousands of troops to surround buildings in the capital because you are actually confident in your security.   I just feel pushing the gas on such rhetoric, especially from an old man who never even got into a fist fight (corn pop standoff notwithstanding) is not a great look for a “unifier”.  It wouldnt be a great look from an actual tuff guy, but from a guy who gets his ass kicked by a bicycle???

Here's the deal. Waterhead claimed that patriotic Americans are a threat to democracy. What he really meant was they are a threat to the continued grift by politicians. 

There are plenty of grandfathers and grandmothers who identify with MAGA as a movement upholding traditional patriotic America values as a bulwark against leftist insanity who he just called a threat. There are many of them who have actually been in combat and have killed people.  The moment you open the door to trying to confiscate their arms or throw them in jail for disagreeing with the people running the government (who are doing so exactly opposite of how a republic is supposed to be run), and many of them (who are getting up in years) will have zero reason to *not* start killing politicians.  And they'll have allies in the form of younger combat vets, sympathetic federal employees in LEAs or the military, as well as all of their neighbors who may be in the National Guard.  I think the Biden Admin will be unpleasantly surprised if they ever blatantly try something on a larger scale and come to find that there will be active resistance.

To put it another way - MAGA folks don't hate the US's form of government - they hate the criminals who are running it and the country into the ground.

What, you mean the Boomers? The Boomers are the worst fucking thing that happened to this country. They funded their lifestyle by saddling future generations with debt, outsourced their lucrative jobs overseas, imported millions of illegals, voted Raegan into office (it ain't money that's tricking down), slapped regulations on everything, and basically followed Louis XIV's maxim "apres moi, le deluge" to the letter. Now they're tanking Social Security, because they don't have the decency to die and are instead doing their best to stay alive. It's a damn shame Corona didn't actually wipe them all out. Oh well.

Anyway, they won't do shit. Boomers may have been firebrands back in the day (aka useful idiots of Comintern) but now they'll just say "Yes daddy" to whatever the feds tell them to do.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 02, 2022, 05:36:25 AM
  Yeah, the boomers dug the hole the USA is in now, I do not think they are doing jack shit.  They are riding pension/retirement/SS payments to the grave and calling it good.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on September 02, 2022, 11:04:03 AM
Wow, such hate for the boomers.  I prefer to look at the things that they did give to society, without the technology and infrastructure they developed, we would not be even having this conversation. 

Looking at my 401K, I sure as hell have no love for Biden.  My retirement has been postponed, so working until I die is my new 'retirement' plan.  :(
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Jaeger on September 02, 2022, 02:41:17 PM
Totally not the bad guys...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbqJzXmVUAIh-H0?format=jpg&name=medium)

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 02, 2022, 03:31:53 PM
Totally not the bad guys...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbqJzXmVUAIh-H0?format=jpg&name=medium)

Only thing missing is the red armor of Palpatine's guards... 

Burden asked today if he considered all Trump supporters to be threats and his response that he didn't consider any of them to be threats.  Either he's so dementia-riddled her can't remember last night's Hitleresque rant or the great walk-back of his speech is in process.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on September 02, 2022, 03:39:52 PM
During the  Nuremberg rally speech last night, I kept expecting him to announce an invasion of Poland.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Osman Gazi on September 02, 2022, 04:08:45 PM
Totally not the bad guys...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbqJzXmVUAIh-H0?format=jpg&name=medium)

Only thing missing is the red armor of Palpatine's guards... 

Burden asked today if he considered all Trump supporters to be threats and his response that he didn't consider any of them to be threats.  Either he's so dementia-riddled her can't remember last night's Hitleresque rant or the great walk-back of his speech is in process.

Who wore it better?(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhFKLKWRMjLcgdLMZwgvqgvFIfNNF8pAOPr7QmGqIjYLwSSOHEfpS0b-ArPFfzGo0C6aeSK5EwaX9T_DYFhcNZgBm9rkS4JCt2aj6gd0xCLcpaeFDsGJ0M7uPnVmkyHYn_FdkvEzLRXoarqhrQL2JRAubmMrztpEwoEgyY1YtbI3Ht8u3t40VW3VRSK/s500/image(9)_0.png)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on September 03, 2022, 12:59:39 AM
During the  Nuremberg rally speech last night, I kept expecting him to announce an invasion of Poland.

I expected:

In order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 03, 2022, 05:43:34 AM
I thought his speech at the start of the week was as bad as it gets....after that one I dont know just how bad it can get now.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on September 03, 2022, 08:18:03 AM
I thought his speech at the start of the week was as bad as it gets....after that one I dont know just how bad it can get now.
No, you just think you see the bottom. There is no bottom to the insanity… it’s just inevitably stopped by outside forces as they start to endanger the rest of the would-be masters of the universe.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 03, 2022, 08:35:25 PM
I have to admit, every time I think it can't get any more ridiculous, we hit a new level of clown world.

Evidently now the zombie's administration is scrambling to walk back his Nuremberg rally, possibly because telling more than 70 million Americans they are enemies of the state might not be a winning strategy -- and I'm not just talking about elections.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on September 03, 2022, 10:16:38 PM
Biden's message was one of "unity" alright -- ONE PEOPLE!  ONE NATION!  ONE LEADER!  The soldiers as props, the dramatic lighting, the huge national banner, the angry tone, the clenched upraised fists... it all seemed familiar somehow.  Well, Biden's plagiarized speeches before, why wouldn't he plagiarize this one?  He just changed a term here and there.  Like substituting "MAGA Republicans" for "Judeo-Bolshevism."
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 03, 2022, 10:59:38 PM
How I think Biden finished his Reich Rally:
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 04, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
How I think Biden finished his Reich Rally:

One need only see the "crowds" at his Reich Rally and compare it to the actual crowds at wilkes-barre last night to understand that maybe the far-leftist global elite agenda isn't actually all that popular amongst even those who lean left.

At what point do they start forcing people to attend a Biden event - like how they did in the USSR and Romania, and how they do in DPRK, complete with "clap and cheer, OR ELSE" when "Dear Leader" starts babbling.  Are we gonna see throngs of crying and wailing mourners when Biden eventually dies of Alzheimer's like they did when Kim Jong-Il gacked it? Or are we gonna see the crowd turn on him and kill him and all his minions like they did with Ceaușescu?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 04, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
  The best was watching asshats on MSNBC talk using words like "we are at war" and "on a war footing now" regarding their positions with republicans.  Best the people who enjoy buttering backsides stick to that and not let tough talk get their ticket punched.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Tallifer on September 05, 2022, 08:49:47 AM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 05, 2022, 09:36:37 AM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.

You could shuffle those names around and it wouldn't change anything.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 05, 2022, 09:46:10 AM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.

Yeah, because we really need a party full of career politicians who've done fuck-all for a combine 100+ years in office except line their own pockets and sell out the country to our enemies.

Romney = Bain Capital breaking up US companies, firing their employees and selling the pieces off to China.
Biden = firmly in the pocket of China with his "10% to the big guy" illegal deals.
McConnell = tired to China through his wife's family's ties to the CCP
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on September 05, 2022, 02:38:11 PM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.

Centrist? I think you mean brain dead.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 05, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.
By all means. Then we'd at least be rid of Mittens, the zombie, and the Turtle.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on September 05, 2022, 10:44:53 PM
They can form a centrist party in prison where they belong, after all of their ill-gotten gains from betraying the American people are confiscated.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 06, 2022, 05:24:20 AM
Mitt Romney, Joe Biden and Mitch Connell should form a centrist party and ditch both Trump and Ocasio Cortez.

  They can just call it the DC insiders party...and then get their shit pushed in by the parties Trump and AOC form.  Those three shit bags are the cause of the place we have arrived, and they hate trump with a passion for good reason.  His existence can not be tolerated by them, because his arrival (if more start getting elected like him) signals their demise politically.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Beaker on September 23, 2022, 06:28:05 PM
Here's the thing - any president has the authority to declassify things under their own recognizance. They don't need to follow any formal process. 

This line of bullshit pretty much sums up the veracity of everything else you wrote.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 24, 2022, 01:16:45 AM
Here's the thing - any president has the authority to declassify things under their own recognizance. They don't need to follow any formal process. 

This line of bullshit pretty much sums up the veracity of everything else you wrote.

Hi there brand new person with one post. How's things? Do you play any RPGs?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 24, 2022, 06:03:51 AM
Justice department might be busy for a while investigating Desantis giving all the residents of Martha's Vineyard what their bumper stickers and yard signs clamor for, some diversity via illegal immigration.   Strange how the reaction to that whole situation turned out.  I guess the first key to wanting illegal immigration is making sure the poors dont live anywhere near where you do.  That is for middle class schlubs to deal with in their communities and schools, not super wealthy, super virtuous people.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 24, 2022, 08:20:21 AM
Here's the thing - any president has the authority to declassify things under their own recognizance. They don't need to follow any formal process. 

This line of bullshit pretty much sums up the veracity of everything else you wrote.

Hi there brand new person with one post. How's things? Do you play any RPGs?

I assumed he was an alt of that demiurge guy who got banned for hating Jews.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 24, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
Justice department might be busy for a while investigating Desantis giving all the residents of Martha's Vineyard what their bumper stickers and yard signs clamor for, some diversity via illegal immigration.   Strange how the reaction to that whole situation turned out.  I guess the first key to wanting illegal immigration is making sure the poors dont live anywhere near where you do.  That is for middle class schlubs to deal with in their communities and schools, not super wealthy, super virtuous people.

"We want diversity! No!!! Not like that!!!!"

Just shows how much of a cuck the government of Taxachusetts is that they called out the National Guard straight away.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 15, 2023, 06:42:12 PM
We burned out on dogging on sloppy Joe?

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/president-biden-news-thread-yes-no-no.906330/



Dude's got more classified documents moldering in his garage than I've got action figures on my shelves.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thor's Nads on February 02, 2023, 03:07:41 AM
What's left to say? Worst president in my lifetime, perhaps the worst since Woodrow Wilson.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 02, 2023, 10:17:13 AM
I'm kind of numb and jaded at this point. It's not just Biden. It's every system being turned to bad ends.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on February 02, 2023, 01:22:49 PM
I wouldn't complain should there be bolts from the blue, plagues of locusts, and rivers full of blood.  We are at the point where *every* level of government and every corporate boardroom in every spot on earth is full of crooks - the human race needs a thorough cleansing from the top down.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on February 02, 2023, 05:00:53 PM
I'm kind of numb and jaded at this point. It's not just Biden. It's every system being turned to bad ends.

Greetings!

Yeah, my friend! I hear you. I'm feeling the same way. The corruption and moral rot is so deep and pervasive, it's disgusting. I have virtually zero faith in all of the politicians, in general. The GOP is full of traitors, smarmy, greedy pussies eager to get on their knees and "compromise" with the Libtards. It's no consolation that yes, as bad as the GOP is--the Libtards are entirely worse. *Sigh* Fuck 'em.

I just keep the faith, stay in the Word, and stay connected with local stuff. My friends, local community, the Church, various local leaders that are accountable to the local people. Ultimately, there is no hope in national politics. The problems that face America are moral and spiritual. Political leaders cannot even begin to grapple with solutions when they don't even understand what the real problem is. At best, politics can only provide partial efforts and partial solutions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on February 08, 2023, 08:54:52 PM
ChatGPT has a hard on for Joe Biden.

Biden: "So I learned about roaches and I learned about kids jumping on my lap. And I’ve loved kids jumping on my lap.”

Quote from: ChatGPT
This quote is often taken out of context to suggest that Joe Biden was referring to Black children as "roaches". However, in the full context of the quote, it is clear that he was using the term "roaches" in reference to cockroaches and not children.

It's important to be cautious about how information is presented and to look at the full context of a statement before accepting or sharing it. Misinformation and false claims can spread rapidly and cause harm, so it's important to verify the accuracy of information before accepting or sharing it.

What was the full context of the quote?

Quote from: ChatGPT
I'm sorry, but my previous statement was incorrect. I do not have information on the specific quote you referenced. It's possible that the quote has been taken out of context or altered. It's always a good idea to verify the accuracy of information and to look at the full context of a statement before accepting or sharing it. Misinformation and false claims can spread rapidly and cause harm, so it's important to be cautious and to rely on credible sources of information.

So you lied to me when you said the quote was taken out of context.

Quote from: ChatGPT
I apologize, I made a mistake in my previous statement. I did not have the full context of the quote that you referenced. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and reliable information, but I am not perfect and can make mistakes. I apologize for any confusion my previous statement may have caused.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 09, 2023, 08:28:20 AM
Yeah, the ChatGPT programmers are desperately trying to hobble the system so it doesn't give politically incorrect responses.  Which, of course, defeats the whole purpose, but wokeists really do believe they can 'convince' the machine to give 'correct' answers with flawed information.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Horace on February 09, 2023, 05:14:59 PM
I'm kind of numb and jaded at this point. It's not just Biden. It's every system being turned to bad ends.
"When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing -- when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors -- when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you -- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice -- you may know that your society is doomed."
-- Ayn Rand

I think we're there.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on February 10, 2023, 11:45:54 AM
Greetings!

Well, well. Here we have Tucker Carlson interviewing an FBI agent that disusses an internal FBI memo that targets Traditional Catholics as criminals and terrorists. Brief video, very interesting! The implications then, of course, are Christians in general, as well as Orthodox Jews, Mormons, and Muslims. People that are devout in their religious faith, embrace traditional values, and are oppositional to abortion and promoting an LGBT agenda.

A corrupt, tyrannical, and criminal FBI that seems entirely OBLIVIOUS to what the contents of the Bill of Rights are. More epic failure from the Biden regime.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 21, 2023, 08:00:46 AM
Massive chemical spill and burn in Ohio, and Spongebrains Shitspants jets off to Ukraine to throw more money around.

Well, it's nice to know what the junta's priorities are.

Remember, if you voted for Biden, you voted for this.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 21, 2023, 08:13:06 AM
Demographics in that part of ohio are actively hated by biden’s handlers.  Big shock no action taken.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on February 21, 2023, 10:28:04 AM
Demographics in that part of ohio are actively hated by biden’s handlers.  Big shock no action taken.

Hey now, Ohio has only itself to blame.  The state COULD have put Hunter on the state payroll at $50,000/month (with 10% for the Big Guy), but they didn't.   ;)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on February 22, 2023, 06:07:34 PM
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Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 01, 2023, 10:59:10 PM
Greetings!

Excellent article about the Woke Wrecking Ball destroying America, by Historian Victor Davis Hanson.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-the-woke-wrecking-machine/ar-AA187dWk?ocid=spartanntp

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 14, 2023, 03:08:32 AM
Greetings!

This is an interesting documentary on the war in Ukraine, and also discusses various events and issues in different EU countries. Special attention documents American involvement and policies for years leading up to the conflict in Ukraine, and provides additional insight concerning President Biden's leadership and involvement. Get some popcorn, and pour some coffee. The documentary is well worth your time to watch, and consider many different contexts and issues.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 14, 2023, 11:03:15 PM
Thanks for posting that documentary, SHARK.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Punch and Pie on March 15, 2023, 12:03:44 AM
There's a fair argument to be made that had former President Trump won re-election, Putin would not have invaded.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 15, 2023, 06:28:57 AM
Thanks for posting that documentary, SHARK.

Greetings!

You are very welcome, I!

How did you like the documentary, I? Some very interesting information in there, huh? I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?

Just so mind boggling.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 15, 2023, 10:40:18 AM
Greetings!

*SIGH* So sad. Here is some weak Conservative chick being caught up and crucified by Libtards on some viral moment on a talk program, for The Hill.

‘This is Gonna Be One of Those Moments That Goes Viral’: Conservative Pundit Short-Circuits When Asked to Define ‘Wokeness’
Video posted by MEDIAITE
Interview with Conservative Columnist Bethany Mandel.



This sad Con chick can't fucking identify what "Woke" is in a 15 second soundbite--even though, evidently, she wrote an entire fucking chapter about "Woke" in some book. She flounders and struggles, and is obviously embarrassed. Libtards naturally, chomp with glee.

What is "Woke"? Easy. "Woke" is a quasi-religious philosophy founded and derived from Marxist and Feminist ideology which has been gulped down and promoted throughout the country by Libtard morons and brainwashed idiots.

See how easy that is? I don't understand why there are so many "Conservatives" that seem so often to get these kind of deer-in-the-headlights struggle-sessions. It isn't complicated at all. Ultimately, it is racism, hatred, and fucking Marxism. Libtards try and pretend it is something far more fucking deep--or otherwise try to gaslight everyone around them that "Woke" doesn't mean anything. It is a hateful, racist, tyrannical ideology embraced and promoted by fucking Commies. They need to be crushed, and this stupid fucking Woke ideology needs to be attacked at every opportunity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 15, 2023, 11:12:33 AM
Greetings!

*SIGH* So sad. Here is some weak Conservative chick being caught up and crucified by Libtards on some viral moment on a talk program, for The Hill.

‘This is Gonna Be One of Those Moments That Goes Viral’: Conservative Pundit Short-Circuits When Asked to Define ‘Wokeness’
Video posted by MEDIAITE
Interview with Conservative Columnist Bethany Mandel.



This sad Con chick can't fucking identify what "Woke" is in a 15 second soundbite--even though, evidently, she wrote an entire fucking chapter about "Woke" in some book. She flounders and struggles, and is obviously embarrassed. Libtards naturally, chomp with glee.

What is "Woke"? Easy. "Woke" is a quasi-religious philosophy founded and derived from Marxist and Feminist ideology which has been gulped down and promoted throughout the country by Libtard morons and brainwashed idiots.

See how easy that is? I don't understand why there are so many "Conservatives" that seem so often to get these kind of deer-in-the-headlights struggle-sessions. It isn't complicated at all. Ultimately, it is racism, hatred, and fucking Marxism. Libtards try and pretend it is something far more fucking deep--or otherwise try to gaslight everyone around them that "Woke" doesn't mean anything. It is a hateful, racist, tyrannical ideology embraced and promoted by fucking Commies. They need to be crushed, and this stupid fucking Woke ideology needs to be attacked at every opportunity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I will offer a defense here: wokeness can and does mutate to serve the purposes of its adherents (i.e., the left). What was 'woke' yesterday may not be 'woke' tomorrow. So it can be remarkably hard to pin down specifics on this pseudo-religion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 15, 2023, 12:21:22 PM

How did you like the documentary, I? Some very interesting information in there, huh? I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?


I basically agreed with all of it.  It pretty much encapsulates my point of view on the whole topic.  I am very much afraid that Hungary is going to be next on the U.S. chopping block.  Look for a "pro-democracy" coup there in the near future, or either a "tragic accident" to Viktor Orban.  I hope someone is closely monitoring the communications of Samantha Power and Victoria Nuland.

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/03/12/us-foreign-policy-goes-woke/

Speaking of Samantha Power, anyone interested in seeing what she's up to these days can keep track of her at https://twitter.com/USAID and see how the Biden Administration is spreading equity and buggery in equal measure around the world with YOUR tax dollars!

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 15, 2023, 12:45:01 PM

How did you like the documentary, I? Some very interesting information in there, huh? I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?


I basically agreed with all of it.  It pretty much encapsulates my point of view on the whole topic.  I am very much afraid that Hungary is going to be next on the U.S. chopping block.  Look for a "pro-democracy" coup there in the near future, or either a "tragic accident" to Viktor Orban.  I hope someone is closely monitoring the communications of Samantha Power and Victoria Nuland.

https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/03/12/us-foreign-policy-goes-woke/

Speaking of Samantha Power, anyone interested in seeing what she's up to these days can keep track of her at https://twitter.com/USAID and see how the Biden Administration is spreading equity and buggery in equal measure around the world with YOUR tax dollars!

Greetings!

Outstanding, I! Yeah, "Till the Last Ukrainian" is an awesome documentary. I enjoyed watching the entire thing, and was so impressed, I knew I had to share it here. In the documentary, Black Pigeon Speaks talks about--and documents--how America instigated an armed overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine--the "Colour Revolution" and all the other grabass games and backroom fuckery going on with Victoria Nuland. How is that not an absolute threat to Russia? The rank hypocrisy should be infuriating and intolerable to everyone. AMERICA would go ape-shit if anyone did the same thing near our borders. But somehow, the same kind of strategic security considerations don't extend to Russia? I'm sorry about the Ukrainian people suffering--that is all a horrible tragedy. But the fact is, geography, resources, and security--are the name of the game. Big countries take precedence, smaller countries simply must fall in line. Is this truth not known anywhere in the world?

Canada knows this. So does Mexico. In Europe, do you think Ireland or Scotland can do whatever they want, regardless of what Britain thinks? Right, they have "arrangements". Britain is the big dog there, and has strategic requirements that simply must be respected by the smaller countries. Just like America does. Just like larger countries everywhere on the planet do. Yeah, Russia too. But somehow, we get to wave our dick around and say no, it doesn't apply to Russia! That's just absolute BS you know? Just like I have always said--like at the beginning of the war in Ukraine--had America not broken treaty promises to Russia, and had we and the fucking EU and NATO not been playing games in Ukraine--then there would never have been a war in Ukraine. Have some respect. Treat Russia like we treat Britain, or China. Respect, genuine friendship, some integrity, and serious willingness to compromise, and make genuine agreements. There would be no war in Ukraine.

Fantastic article about Hungary, I! Samantha Powers is another Marxist zombie, just like Victoria Nuland. All of them are in bed together to promote US hegemony and a globalist, Marxist-fueled agenda that homogenizes and subjugates every nation to their corrupt globalistic agenda.

I love Hungary, too! The Hungarians should outlaw "Foreign Agents" like Powers and have her arrested and send her packing. Any US officials that come to Hungary need to go through official channels, and be supervised at all times. If they don't like it, they can return home, or spend time in a Hungarian prison for espionage or "Foreign Interference".

*SIGH* It's very frustrating. And shameful, and disgusting.

I'm glad that you enjoyed the documentary, my friend!

I need to light up my pipe and pour some new French Vanilla coffee.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 15, 2023, 08:41:25 PM
I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?

Just so mind boggling.

The Israeli Prime Minister himself denied some of these claims. Here's the thread on Twitter where he responded:

https://twitter.com/naftalibennett/status/1622571402430750721

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
2 points worth emphasizing (I speak about it here: 2:31:30 and on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9tLDeWBzs

1. It’s unsure there was any deal to be made. At the time I gave it roughly a 50% chance. Americans felt chances were way lower. Hard to tell who was right.

2. It’s not sure such a deal was desirable. At the time I thought so, but only time will tell.
(I can see pros and cons for each approach. Especially regarding reflection on other global theaters of conflict).

So he's emphasizing that there was no deal in place. There was just the possibility that a deal could be reached in the future. The U.S. didn't

From the translation of the interview he linked, he's just saying that he had good relations with both sides and he thinks that a deal was possible. But he didn't have a deal in hand. He says Boris Johnson was the most aggressive against Putin, while Macron and Scholz were more pragmatic about a deal, and Biden was both. (2:57)

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
I think there's a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking Putin... I can't say if they were wrong. My position at the time in this regard, it's not a national Israeli interest.

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
Basically, yes, they blocked it, and I thought they're wrong. In retrospect, it's too soon to know. The advantages and disadvantages: The downside of a war going on is the casualties in Ukraine and Russia, it's a very harsh blow to Ukraine, the country.
...
On the other hand, and I'm not being cynical, there's a statement here after very many years, President Biden here created an alliance vis a vis an aggressor in the general perception and this reflects on other arenas such as China, Taiwan, and there are consequences. So it's too soon to know.

I'm not saying... I have one claim. I claim there was a good chance of reaching a ceasefire. Had they not curbed it. But I'm not sure. But I'm not claiming it was the right thing.

Bennett is exactly the person whose testimony we're taking here about the ceasefire -- and he's not claiming it was the right thing for there to be a ceasefire then, even if it was possible -- presumably because that would mean essentially a quick partial victory for Russia, which would embolden all other would-be conquerors in the world to try their hand at invasion.

Basically, the guy who is making the claims is saying "There's pros and cons. I'm not sure it's right." -- while you're saying that it's mind-bogglingly wrong on the part of Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 15, 2023, 09:25:09 PM
I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?

Just so mind boggling.

The Israeli Prime Minister himself denied some of these claims. Here's the thread on Twitter where he responded:

https://twitter.com/naftalibennett/status/1622571402430750721

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
2 points worth emphasizing (I speak about it here: 2:31:30 and on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK9tLDeWBzs

1. It’s unsure there was any deal to be made. At the time I gave it roughly a 50% chance. Americans felt chances were way lower. Hard to tell who was right.

2. It’s not sure such a deal was desirable. At the time I thought so, but only time will tell.
(I can see pros and cons for each approach. Especially regarding reflection on other global theaters of conflict).

So he's emphasizing that there was no deal in place. There was just the possibility that a deal could be reached in the future. The U.S. didn't

From the translation of the interview he linked, he's just saying that he had good relations with both sides and he thinks that a deal was possible. But he didn't have a deal in hand. He says Boris Johnson was the most aggressive against Putin, while Macron and Scholz were more pragmatic about a deal, and Biden was both. (2:57)

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
I think there's a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking Putin... I can't say if they were wrong. My position at the time in this regard, it's not a national Israeli interest.

Quote from: Naftali Bennett
Basically, yes, they blocked it, and I thought they're wrong. In retrospect, it's too soon to know. The advantages and disadvantages: The downside of a war going on is the casualties in Ukraine and Russia, it's a very harsh blow to Ukraine, the country.
...
On the other hand, and I'm not being cynical, there's a statement here after very many years, President Biden here created an alliance vis a vis an aggressor in the general perception and this reflects on other arenas such as China, Taiwan, and there are consequences. So it's too soon to know.

I'm not saying... I have one claim. I claim there was a good chance of reaching a ceasefire. Had they not curbed it. But I'm not sure. But I'm not claiming it was the right thing.

Bennett is exactly the person whose testimony we're taking here about the ceasefire -- and he's not claiming it was the right thing for there to be a ceasefire then, even if it was possible -- presumably because that would mean essentially a quick partial victory for Russia, which would embolden all other would-be conquerors in the world to try their hand at invasion.

Basically, the guy who is making the claims is saying "There's pros and cons. I'm not sure it's right." -- while you're saying that it's mind-bogglingly wrong on the part of Biden.

Greetings!

Did you watch the entire documentary, Jhkim?

Regardless of whether or not the Israeli Prime Minister--afterwards--expresses doubts--seeing that this is a war between Ukraine and Russia--and NOT the United States--yeah, I think it is of course mind-boggling that Biden wouldn't want to do everything to pursue a peaceful solution.

Then again, why the fuck is AMERICA calling the shots? Why is BIDEN determining whether ornot there will be peace, and on what terms? On the terms that AMERICA deems fitting?

Also, if you had watched the documentary--how can all of this BS not be deeply disturbing? How is America not deeply involved with instigating--and exploiting for maximum profit--the continuation and prosecution of this proxy war? How is Ukraine not being the sad Pawn used on the Chessboard of American global strategy to checkmate and crush Russia as an independent nation?

Oh yeah. There's also Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya. Remember Libya? All of this is horrible, greedy, corrupt Bullshit, and it stinks. It is evil, wrong, and thoroughly corrupt.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 15, 2023, 10:31:37 PM

This sad Con chick can't fucking identify what "Woke" is in a 15 second soundbite--even though, evidently, she wrote an entire fucking chapter about "Woke" in some book. She flounders and struggles, and is obviously embarrassed. Libtards naturally, chomp with glee.


The Libtards have some nerve.  After all, I've never heard a one of them be able to describe what "Fascist" means, even though they throw the term around constantly.  I mean, they try... and fail... but I've never heard a one of them describe Fascism accurately.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 15, 2023, 10:33:15 PM

This sad Con chick can't fucking identify what "Woke" is in a 15 second soundbite--even though, evidently, she wrote an entire fucking chapter about "Woke" in some book. She flounders and struggles, and is obviously embarrassed. Libtards naturally, chomp with glee.


The Libtards have some nerve.  After all, I've never heard a one of them be able to describe what "Fascist" means, even though they throw the term around constantly.  I mean, they try... and fail... but I've never heard a one of them describe Fascism accurately.
Exactly. To the libtard, the word means whatever is most beneficial to them at the moment.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 16, 2023, 01:50:28 AM
I did not know that the Israeli Prime Minister had negotiated a treaty--in March of 2022--a month after the war began--that everyone agreed to, except for America. WTF? A war going on between Russia and Ukraine--and we, the US, say NO to any kind of agreed treaty that ends the war? OMG, you know?

Just so mind boggling.

The Israeli Prime Minister himself denied some of these claims.
...
Basically, the guy who is making the claims is saying "There's pros and cons. I'm not sure it's right." -- while you're saying that it's mind-bogglingly wrong on the part of Biden.

Regardless of whether or not the Israeli Prime Minister--afterwards--expresses doubts--seeing that this is a war between Ukraine and Russia--and NOT the United States--yeah, I think it is of course mind-boggling that Biden wouldn't want to do everything to pursue a peaceful solution.

For the U.S., the quickest road to peace would be to do nothing to help Ukraine -- and to help Russia instead. Then Ukraine would soon be forced to capitulate to all of invading Russia's terms, and the war would be over. That would get to peace -- but Bennett said he doesn't endorse that as the right answer, and neither do I.

Let me ask this -- if by some twist, the U.S. had its defenses crippled and it was invaded by Russia -- would your position be that the President should pursue everything they could to get a ceasefire with the invading enemy? Should they be at the table discussing what the U.S. should hand over to get to peace? Or would you say that the President should focus on fighting to keep American sovereignty?

-----

Then again, why the fuck is AMERICA calling the shots? Why is BIDEN determining whether ornot there will be peace, and on what terms? On the terms that AMERICA deems fitting?

Also, if you had watched the documentary--how can all of this BS not be deeply disturbing? How is America not deeply involved with instigating--and exploiting for maximum profit--the continuation and prosecution of this proxy war? How is Ukraine not being the sad Pawn used on the Chessboard of American global strategy to checkmate and crush Russia as an independent nation?

I think it's pretty clear. If Ukraine wanted to surrender to Russia, then they could easily do so. If they want to fight Russia, though, then they need the help of the U.S. and Europe. That goes equally if they want a deal that isn't surrendering. That puts the U.S. and Europe in the equation.

Bennett was clear that he wasn't just letting the U.S. solely call the shots. He talked to all four of the US, UK, France, and Germany. According to him, it was the UK that was the most anti-Putin, and thus most opposed to a peaceful surrender. He kept all of them apprised of what he was doing, because they are all strategic allies of his. If Ukraine wanted to pursue a treaty without the support of the US, UK, France, and Germany - then he could do so, but such a treaty would be effectively surrendering.

There's also Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya. Remember Libya? All of this is horrible, greedy, corrupt Bullshit, and it stinks. It is evil, wrong, and thoroughly corrupt.

I am opposed to corrupt invasion of countries that haven't attacked us in order to get power and influence in the area for ourselves. That's why I oppose US wars of aggression like those you cite and others. However, that's also why I oppose Russian wars of aggression.

The invasion of Ukraine was evil, wrong, and thoroughly corrupt. It is horrible, greedy, corrupt bullshit, and it stinks.

That is what people I know in Ukraine feel. That is even what the people I know in Russia feel.


As long as the Ukrainian people are willing to fight against their invaders, I think they should be supported.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 16, 2023, 05:22:09 AM
If Ukraine wanted to surrender to Russia, then they could easily do so.
okay, i'm going to catch holy hell for this, i'm sure, but i'll ask anyway:
what do you mean by "Ukraine" in that message? zelensky and his crew in kiev?

Quote
As long as the Ukrainian people are willing to fight against their invaders, I think they should be supported.
great. how would you find out what Ukrainian people are willing to do?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on March 16, 2023, 09:08:28 AM
That is what people I know in Ukraine feel. That is even what the people I know in Russia feel.

How many of them are trannies and/or "marginalized POC"?

jhkim just happens to know a bunch of Ukrainians and Russians!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 16, 2023, 09:43:02 AM

As long as the Ukrainian people are willing to fight against their invaders, I think they should be supported.


Which Ukrainian people?  The 70% ultra-nationalist Bandera-loving neo-Nazi ones that the U.S. installed in a coup, or the 30% Russian-speaking ones that got Jim Crow'd by their own government?  As long as that 30% is willing to fight against their invaders, Russia thinks they should be supported.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 16, 2023, 09:47:00 AM
That is what people I know in Ukraine feel. That is even what the people I know in Russia feel.

jhkim just happens to know a bunch of Ukrainians and Russians!

i can't speak for jhkim, but as a russian i can tell you that in this regard he's pretty much spot on. no one here (or in ukraine, obviously) is happy to see this invasion happen, and very few view it as anything but huge tragedy and injustice. now, a lot of people here would disagree with what western propaganda machine is pushing about why this shit is happening, but that's another story
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 16, 2023, 11:22:48 AM
That is what people I know in Ukraine feel. That is even what the people I know in Russia feel.

jhkim just happens to know a bunch of Ukrainians and Russians!

i can't speak for jhkim, but as a russian i can tell you that in this regard he's pretty much spot on. no one here (or in ukraine, obviously) is happy to see this invasion happen, and very few view it as anything but huge tragedy and injustice. now, a lot of people here would disagree with what western propaganda machine is pushing about why this shit is happening, but that's another story

Hey, klava. Thanks for that. I'd be curious to hear your views on more about what's going on and why.

Basically all of the handful of Ukrainians and Russian people I know are English-speaking role-players, so it's not surprising that they tend to align more with Western views, though not necessarily with U.S. TV news/propaganda. I should say that I do indirectly know about some Putin supporters in Russia, because a friend from my church is a Russian immigrant who can't talk to her family because of the rift over politics. But I don't know what they think.

Among people I talk to, they all blame Putin for turning into a deadly hot war something that was at most a less serious dispute. Some dislike Zelensky a lot, but even they don't view him as responsible for the war.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 16, 2023, 01:06:06 PM
Greetings!

Dr. Steve Turley discusses a new development in Ukraine--evidently Zelensky is now persecuting Orthodox Christians. Dr. Turley also discusses the US government's involvement with starting the "Colour Revolution" that overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine.

Very interesting.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 16, 2023, 02:25:42 PM
I'd be curious to hear your views on more about what's going on and why.

did you watch this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcn3_V2_rJ0

SHARK i think posted this in another thread. while i don't exactly 100% agree wtih everything said in that video, it's mostly on point imo.

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Basically all of the handful of Ukrainians and Russian people I know are English-speaking role-players, so it's not surprising that they tend to align more with Western views

not surprising, huh? i'm an english speaking person... kinda. that didn't make me align with western views at all though. ::)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 16, 2023, 02:53:56 PM
Greetings!

This is an interesting documentary on the war in Ukraine, and also discusses various events and issues in different EU countries. Special attention documents American involvement and policies for years leading up to the conflict in Ukraine, and provides additional insight concerning President Biden's leadership and involvement. Get some popcorn, and pour some coffee. The documentary is well worth your time to watch, and consider many different contexts and issues.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK



Greetings!

Yes, Klava! I posted this video documentary here earlier in this thread, from page 36.

And no, I don't believe that Jhkim has watched the documentary. *Laughing*

I am also very glad that you watched the documentary, Klava! Black Pigeon Speaks has done an excellent documentary that digs into the truth--the nuances, all the different angles and events. All the stuff that Western propagandists and morons don't seem to ever want to really look at or talk about. The corruption, the arrogance, the hypocrisy, is so disgusting to me. It goes against all of our cherished values, and what we have always championed and believed in. It is because of all of these things, that I have been deeply skeptical of any kind of American involvement in the Ukraine war, and why I have always opposed America being involved in the Ukraine war in any way. All of this proxy war BS won't end well, and I have always believed that the US should genuinely respect Russia, and seek to embrace Russia as a friend. In light of our own corruption, incompetence, arrogance, and greed--as well as good measures of stupidity--in our campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as Syria and Libya--I am deeply suspicious of America getting involved in any kind of military operations or wars that simply do not correspond with absolute strategic interests. I accord Russia, or China, or any large nation with the same kind of respectful regard. We all have red lines of strategic interest. Britain has Scotland and Ireland. We have Canada, Mexico, and the little countries of the Caribbean and South America. China has their own interests as well. Russia has Ukraine, and all of the various smaller countries that border the Motherland. For anyone to seek to step against these real and legitimate strategic security interests--is just asking for a fight.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 16, 2023, 04:14:46 PM
Remember when America was deried for getting involved in other countries wars?



Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 16, 2023, 07:39:45 PM
I'd be curious to hear your views on more about what's going on and why.

did you watch this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcn3_V2_rJ0

SHARK i think posted this in another thread. while i don't exactly 100% agree wtih everything said in that video, it's mostly on point imo.
Yes, Klava! I posted this video documentary here earlier in this thread, from page 36.

And no, I don't believe that Jhkim has watched the documentary. *Laughing*

I am also very glad that you watched the documentary, Klava!

I hadn't watched the full documentary earlier. I have finished it now. The big disagreements I have are:

1) In the conclusion at 1:38, they claim that if only Ukraine had supported the Minsk II accords, then the war would never have happened. I think that is crap. Neither side has adhered to either of the Minsk accords, and it is folly to suggest that Putin is a trustworthy fellow who only wants the rules followed.

2) At 1:34, they claim that "The ex-israeli Prime Minister confirmed that a peace deal that he had brokered had been all but agreed upon by all parties in March of 2022. However, that peace plan was scuttled as Washington vetoed the agreement and that in his words the U.S. and its allies decided to keep striking at Russian President Vladimir Putin and blocked the agreement." As I said earlier, that is denied by Naftali Bennett himself - and does not match what was said in the interview. When prompted by the interviewer, Bennett does say "basically they blocked it" -- but the rest makes clear that there was no agreed-upon plan, and that by "blocked" he meant that they didn't think it had any chance and did not support it for that reason. In March 2022, Russia had the upper hand, and any deal would almost certainly be Ukraine capitulating to Russia.

3) They cite the Cuban missile crisis (at 46 and 1:15), but that shows the exact opposite of what they claim. Cuba was an explicit military ally of the USSR for years. The U.S. put a trade embargo and encouraged revolutionaries, but we did not invade Cuba in response to Soviet provocations. It was only when the Soviets were directly going to put their own nuclear missiles in Cuba that it reached a crisis, and even then we still did not invade Cuba. I strongly oppose a lot of U.S. foreign action, but it is false to claim that we will invade any neighbors that oppose us.

4) It claims that Putin had legitimate security concerns -- citing the Monroe Doctrine from 1823, but that is warmongering bullshit from two hundred years ago that does not reflect modern sensibilities. The U.S. would not be justified in invading Cuba or Venezuela simply because they are communist. Likewise, Russia cannot justify invading neighboring countries if they ally with others.

5) It claims that the Yanukovych government was fairly democratically elected, and his ouster a coup. But Yanukovych was ousted by vote of parliament. The parliamentary elections were arguably undemocratic and corrupt, but so was Yanukovych's rule. It rightly decries how Zelensky's government is whitewashed by Western press, claiming that the Western press lacks nuance of the corruption. However, it then turns around and does exactly the same thing, describing Yanukovych's government as pure democracy compared to Zelensky.

6) At 1:32, they claim that the U.S. is attempting to enact regime change in Russia by ousting Putin and divide up Russia along ethnic lines. This is fantasy. The U.S. is not invading Russia. The U.S. government might idly wish that -- but I'm sure that Putin's idle wishes about the U.S. are similar.

I am deeply suspicious of America getting involved in any kind of military operations or wars that simply do not correspond with absolute strategic interests. I accord Russia, or China, or any large nation with the same kind of respectful regard. We all have red lines of strategic interest. Britain has Scotland and Ireland. We have Canada, Mexico, and the little countries of the Caribbean and South America. China has their own interests as well. Russia has Ukraine, and all of the various smaller countries that border the Motherland. For anyone to seek to step against these real and legitimate strategic security interests--is just asking for a fight.

Especially on the eve of Saint Patrick's Day, I think the Irish would hotly deny that Britain "has" Ireland. Nor does the U.S. "have" Canada and Mexico any more than it has Venezuela or Cuba. These are all independent countries, who get to decide for themselves how they should live.

Claiming that Britain has the right to invade Ireland if Ireland doesn't obey is both globalist and warmongering.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 16, 2023, 08:38:45 PM
Greetings!

Jhkim, come on. Stop being obtuse. "We didn't invade Cuba!"--No, we didn't. We locked every ocean mile down so a Tuna couldn't get there--and we mobilized for global nuclear war. B-52's were loaded up, and on their way to launch fire and death on Russia in a fucking hour.

So, you keeep on believing that we didn't flex ourselves over Cuba. The fuck we didn't. We were an HOUR AWAY from global nuclear war. As for the US invading Cuba--geesus, Jhkim. We were not only ready to invade Cuba--we did far more than that! As I noted, we were on the brink of launching global nuclear war. When you are launching global nuclear war, geesus Jhkim, it makes invading rather besides the point. Oh, by the way, our prepping to go full nuclear has been confirmed by the US government. It is the absolute closest we have come to full nuclear disaster, and we were definitely ready to do it, by President John F. Kennedy's direct orders.

As for all your other whining, bullshit. Canada and Mexico--oh, and the Western Hemisphere in general, is OUR hemisphere. If you want to believe they can "Do whatever they want!"--I will charitably say that you are simply being hopelessly naïve and blind.

Nicaragua, Honduras, Dominican Republic, Panama, and more, have all been invaded and crushed by US forces. Not two hundred years ago, either. In addition, we have the US School of the Americas, which trains and controls special intelligence and security forces throughout Central and South America. We have entire military units in Central and South American militaries that are trained, equipped, and coordinate with US forces.We also control a host of financial assets and controls--that allow us to manipulate and control entire economies in South America. Not to mention assassin squads on speed dial for any South American leader that we really want to send a message to. You damn better believe these nations all KNOW where the line is. In the last 60 years, the US has refined it's control levers of using hard and soft power, especially in Central and South America. Oftentimes, just having a press-release of some Senator talking about "considering" some kind of military operation in Central or South America is all it takes. It can be gibberish--and seemingly meaningless or merely bravado. That is INTENTIONAL. We routinely telegraph our intentions, and our expectations. But behind the scenes, these little nations all KNOW what the fuck is coming, if they don't get with the program. We have loyalist forces throughout South America. The US also has various client states throughout the entire Western Hemisphere that also serve as "Watch Dogs" and power-projection jump points, as well as fully-integrated and linked up security troops that could bring the fire down on any opposition--meanwhile with America looking off from afar, and playing nice. That allows us more strategic flexibility, and knowing when and where precisely to bring in the shock troops--the U.S. Marines.

Even in the 1930's--US MARINE GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER--a decorated war hero--publicly discussed how the US had intervened, instigated rebellions, "regime changes"--and wars--throughout Central America, for SUGAR, PINEAPPLES, and BANANAS. Doe Pineappe and Chiquita Banana baby! They had the White House on SPEED DIAL. Oh, also US Oil companies also gathered at the trough for obscene profits, too. I suppose in your world, Jhkim, the US doesn't do that anymore, right?

I hate to bust that sweet jello bubble, Jhkim, but yes, it still goes on to this day. It has never stopped, nor has it ever been any different. You seem to be blissfully blind to how all nations struggle and compete. Every nation struggles and fights for supremacy, for influence, for power, dominance, and security. Every nation does this--or lines themselves up as the friend behind the big dog on the block.

It is kind of amusing--and alarming, or sobering for sure--but in recent diplomatic talks, China told the US to go fuck themselves, and that China would do whatever it felt necessary for their security. Biden's crew had no response. Just like when Biden tried to wave his flaccid dick about China helping Russia--the very next week, China announced they were sending some military goodies to Russia, and laughed in our fucking face. Yeah, China is getting a bigger cock, and the globalist, weak pussies in Washington KNOW IT. That doesn't bode well for us, I can assure you. However, it is how GEO POLITICS WORK in the real world, man.

Throughout the 20th Century, we have enforced the MONROE DOCTRINE. All over the Western Hemisphere. Beyond those numerous instances, we have instigated all kinds of interventions and wars all over the world, to change regimes, and enforce our will--for political and economic motives. I guess you must have missed the dirty, backroom memo on how we fucked over Syria and Libya just in the recent years, right? By the way--Libya was proceeding with a plan to adopt their own god standard, and remove US dollar as a currency exchange for their oil resources on the international Oil Market. That, we would not allow--so Mohammar had to die, and we fucked up his entire country, which, aside from Mohammar's efforts to modernize Libya, and make Libya more self-sufficient and independent--he had also participated in different programs that had helped NATO and the US. That didn't matter though. He was trying to make Libya breathe air above their paygrade--and their subservient station that the US had declared for Libya, so Libya got fucked. Same thing with Syria. Oh, and what about Kosovo and Yugoslavia? Right. The US and the cock-sucking EU can act however the fuck they want for our "security" and our 'Strategic Interests"--but when Russia seeks to do the same, well, we can't have that!

You really don't see how absolutely hypocritical, arrogant, and fucking self-righteous and evil that is, Jhkim?

Canada? They are our little sister, and they do what we tell them to do. If they did anything that compromised our security, they would be fucked hard, in a blink. Have you ever heard of NORAD? Canada's entire military, their airspace, the fucking air they breathe and every radar they see birds fly on is hooked up to US. They don't fucking fart without America knowing about it. They cross it, and they would be fucked. You really don't know what you are talking about, I have to say.

"These are all independent countries, who get to decide for themselves how they should live." *LAUGHING* Oh, my God, Jhkim! You really believe that? Oh, wow, man. You really didn't study History or Political Science in college, did you? I know. You are a science guy. That's ok, Jhkim. I can assure you though, whatever university you went to didn't do you any favours in that regard. They failed miserably to teach you History and Political Science properly, and educate you on how the real world *really works*. You should know that we have over 100 military bases around the world, and we control a global, economic empire that is plugged into the system, that we are the masters of, and at the top of the pecking order. WE, the US, are the big dog on the block, and the center of power for the global Liberal Hegemony, the "Unipolar World". Our money, our armies, our fleets, are the military machine that dictates the do's and don'ts to much of the entire world.

I don't quite understand though, Jhkim, where you get all of this moralizing, naïve jello-thinking from. There isn't a MONTH that goes by, that US agents and special forces, and intelligence operatives--and money--aren't working on subverting, intererfering, or corrupting some country around the word to ensure American control. We ROUTINELY orchestrate "Colour Revolutions", rebellions, insurrections--and coups--around the world. We ROUTINEY orchestrate scandals and financial fuckery to manipulate and subvert control of nations to force them to fall in line and get with our program. We also ROUTINELY influence and interfere with other nation's elections. NON-FUCKING STOP.

In a similar manner, you really believe that foreign powers--hostile to Britain--could set up bases and assets in Scotland or Ireland, and that wouldn't get a HOT reaction from Britain?

Again, it's a moot point. By treaty and protocol. Britain has entirely integraated any and all military assets and resources to maintain the security of the British Isles. Ireland and Scotland are NOT going to invite hostile foreign powers to come over and do anything. That's by treaty, protocol, and, yeah, backed up by the real strategic security interest that would demand Britain take action and fuck them if they tried to do anything like that.

Also, since 2014, the US has had US Special Forces and US Marines in Ukraine. Training, "Advising"--and supervising the construction of bases and other miitary preparations. I guess you also missed the tidbit in the documentary about how PM of Germany, Angela Merkel, said that Minsk was never going to do a damned thing. Minsk was just to buy time--so we could arm Ukraine the fuck up. There were NO INTENTIONS FROM THE BEGINNING for us to ever honour the Minsk treaty agreements! Russia had nothing to do with it. We were playing Russia like suckers, while we prepared to jack them hard at the first opportunity. But you don't see that as evil, dupicitous, and corrupt? Somehow, that kind of political fuckery is all a bowl of sweet peaches for you? And somehow, RUSSIA is supposed to just get on their knees, and take the fucking, right? You don't think there are high people in RUSSIA--like Vladimir Putin--that might say to us, "Go and Fuck yourself! We have a different plan for you!" Again, the absolute smugness, the arrogance, the HUBRIS, of the US and the EU shows through with vivid colours. The scheming, the lies, the lack of genuine respect for Russia and taking them seriously. I guess you also don't know that back in the 1990's, we PROMISED RUSSIA that NATO would NOT ADVANCE EASTWARDS. We repeatedly assured them that we would never expand NATO eastwards, near Russia's borers, and in areas and regions that were important to them. Ahh, too bad, huh? SUCKS TO BE THEM, RIGHT? More broken promises, lies, and fuckery by the US and the EU towards Russia. That scheming, that arrogance, that lack of genuine respect, will cost us with a steep price. It already has. And the sad thing, is that the Ukrainian people get the hardest fucking and most of the suffering.

This is how real world geo-politics and Foreign Relations work, Jhkim. It isn't your fantasy and wishful thinking--but hard, cold reality. The real world equation of strategic distances, strategic resources, and strategic assets. Again, you just don't know what you are talking about.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 17, 2023, 03:29:22 AM
I hadn't watched the full documentary earlier. I have finished it now. The big disagreements I have are:
okay, let us a least try to get the smell of stupid out of the room, shall we?

i didn't ask you what you meant by "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian people" earlier for no reason. so now, let's stop casting the blame for a second and at least agree that after United States instigated a coup brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/31/exp-gps-obama-sot-putin.cnn) and, as a result, a civil war started when eastern regions, populated largely by ethnic russians, refused to accept the clowns that were installed in Kiev, "Ukraine" ceased to exist as a coherent state with stable power, and "Ukrainian people" ceased to exist as social consensus? can we agree on that?

if you granted me that, then just about all the rhetoric that any one side pushes in this goes out the window. it's a civil fucking war there, one side of which is propped up by United States and another by Russia. the side backed by Russia was starting to loose, so Russia went in and intervened directly. now, where have i heard that story before? oh, wait, it happens all throughout the history all the time! multiple times very recently even, with United States involved without fail.

so, here's the thing you and all the other bleeding hearts all around the world seem to be missing here, imo: Russia does not fight Ukraine right now - it's two imperialist fucking camarilla's that are atm in power in Russia and United States fighting each other in Ukraine, because they were unable to settle their disagreements on who was going to expand their domain of influence in the region in any other way. Ukraine as a nation, or Ukrainians as a people (or Russians for that matter) don't matter squat to those who call the shots, those are but resources to be managed and spent at will to them - and that's the saddest part of it all.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 17, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
I hadn't watched the full documentary earlier. I have finished it now. The big disagreements I have are:
okay, let us a least try to get the smell of stupid out of the room, shall we?

i didn't ask you what you meant by "Ukraine" and "Ukrainian people" earlier for no reason. so now, let's stop casting the blame for a second and at least agree that after United States instigated a coup brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine (https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/31/exp-gps-obama-sot-putin.cnn) and, as a result, a civil war started when eastern regions, populated largely by ethnic russians, refused to accept the clowns that were installed in Kiev, "Ukraine" ceased to exist as a coherent state with stable power, and "Ukrainian people" ceased to exist as social consensus? can we agree on that?

No, I don't agree to that. You're suggesting that under Yanukovych, there was a coherent country of Ukraine with stable power and social consensus -- that the documentary claimed was democratically elected. And that the Maidan Revolution was an external coup that refused to accept that. I think Ukraine has never been coherent and stable. It has had a frequently shifting constitution and regime. Its government was corrupt and flawed under all of Russia-favoring Kuchma, U.S.-favoring Yushchenko, Russia-favoring Yanukovych, and U.S.-favoring Poroshenko.

If we say that Poroshenko was installed by the U.S. in the Maidan Revolution, then it is no less true that Yanukovych was installed by Russia.

I think the example of Cuba is a good parallel. Prior to Castro's communist revolution, the Batista era was corrupt, oppressive, undemocratic and backed by the United States. Castro lead a Russian-backed revolution against it -- but Castro's rule was also oppressive and undemocratic. The U.S. backed Cuban exiles to try to take back Cuba, in the Bay of Pigs. The U.S. refused to allow Russian nuclear missiles to be installed in Cuba, leading to the crisis. After the crisis, Castro remained in power.

The situation in Ukraine is similar. The power has shifted between ethnic Ukrainians favoring the West in half the country, and ethnic Russians favoring Russia in the other half. Prior to 2022, it was a seesawing conflict -- and I would say that the U.S. and Russia were similarly culpable.

But Russia massively escalated and turned what had been a limited regional conflict into a devastating all-out war.


so, here's the thing you and all the other bleeding hearts all around the world seem to be missing here, imo: Russia does not fight Ukraine right now - it's two imperialist fucking camarilla's that are atm in power in Russia and United States fighting each other in Ukraine, because they were unable to settle their disagreements on who was going to expand their domain of influence in the region in any other way. Ukraine as a nation, or Ukrainians as a people (or Russians for that matter) don't matter squat to those who call the shots, those are but resources to be managed and spent at will to them - and that's the saddest part of it all.

I agree that this is imperialist conflict just like in Cuba. But it is Putin who turned Ukraine from seesawing governments and corruption into devastating hot war, and began slaughtering Ukrainians when he didn't get his way.

The U.S. has had devastating wars that it started -- but this isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 17, 2023, 04:16:36 PM
Even in the 1930's--US MARINE GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER--a decorated war hero--publicly discussed how the US had intervened, instigated rebellions, "regime changes"--and wars--throughout Central America, for SUGAR, PINEAPPLES, and BANANAS. Doe Pineappe and Chiquita Banana baby! They had the White House on SPEED DIAL. Oh, also US Oil companies also gathered at the trough for obscene profits, too. I suppose in your world, Jhkim, the US doesn't do that anymore, right?

I hate to bust that sweet jello bubble, Jhkim, but yes, it still goes on to this day. It has never stopped, nor has it ever been any different. You seem to be blissfully blind to how all nations struggle and compete. Every nation struggles and fights for supremacy, for influence, for power, dominance, and security. Every nation does this--or lines themselves up as the friend behind the big dog on the block.

SHARK, I think we're talking past each other. What that you're saying has been a part of my talking points for decades. Really, it sounds right out of typical progressive critique of globalist imperialism since the 1960s, right up through the 2000s and 2010s to the present.

My ex-father-in-law grew up in Venezuela as part of the American oil companies operating there. So I've learned first hand about the exploitation that American oil companies in Venezuela were responsible for. That doesn't mean that I'm in favor of Chavez and Maduro, though.

The question isn't whether this sort imperialism happens. The question is whether or not it is a good thing.

From my view, it sounds like you're justifying globalist imperialism as "this is just how the world works - learn to accept it". So in the U.S., we should continue to vote in uniparty candidates who do the bidding of oil companies - and not complain about other countries that do the same.

I think that things can get better, and in the long term, they have gotten better. Over the past century, we have seen more and more countries where people live free lives with democratic control of their government.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 18, 2023, 07:38:08 AM
No, I don't agree to that.
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The U.S. has had devastating wars that it started -- but this isn't one of them.
i'm a little disappointed, because i tried to offer an honest discussion to you and you came back regurgitating all the propaganda they do in Kiev and in western media back at me, complete with "maidan revolution" and "democratic elections". well, let's try to ventilate the room a little more.

"stable state" and "social consensus" are all relative concepts. just about any kind of those is better than civil war - and there wasn't one in Ukraine prior to the coup of 2014. it doesn't matter at all who installed whom - it happens all the time everywhere to those, who allow it, and Ukraine, or rather their post-soviet oligarchy, certainly did - what matters is, which particular seesaw shift resulted in a civil war. which was it again?
and, consequently, Mr. Putin didn't ignite the war - it was going on for eight bloody years before Russia intervened directly, which was a huge escalation for sure, but it wasn't what started this shit at all. the fuckards US installed in Kiev were bombing Donbass for   e i g h t   y e a r s   - why weren't you and the rest of the bleeding hearts around the world as vocal about that as you are now when Putin went berserk? what, you were too busy calling him names and didn't notice?
then, how would you propose this conflict should have been de-escalated in the first place? Putin and co made it abundantly clear that they would not be tolerating any NATO expansion towards their borders anymore, and what was the response? - why, United States and their vassals tried to insert another NATO member right up Putin's keister. and then, just recently Merkel and the rest of US lackeys publicly admitted that Misk agreements were only there to buy time for them to bolster their puppets in Kiev, and there they were not any plans of reconciliation in the first place - so who was escalating again? just Putin? really?

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The question isn't whether this sort imperialism happens. The question is whether or not it is a good thing.

From my view, it sounds like you're justifying globalist imperialism as "this is just how the world works - learn to accept it".

and this is just... sad, man. i'm sure SHARK can speak for himself, but allow me chime in as well - no one is telling you to accept anything, that's your choice alone. what's being told to you here is that before you accept or reject something you must fist understand it, and it doesn't look to me like you do. imperialism is a fact of the matter, and it always takes two to fight (at least), but for some reason you insist on only calling the kettle black.

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Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 18, 2023, 10:41:24 AM

 But it is Putin who turned Ukraine from seesawing governments and corruption into devastating hot war, and began slaughtering Ukrainians when he didn't get his way.

The U.S. has had devastating wars that it started -- but this isn't one of them.

The war's been going on since 2014, long before Russia invaded.  Zelensky was "slaughtering Ukrainians when he didn't get his way," too.  It was a lot worse than just "seesawing governments and corruption."


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 18, 2023, 12:26:05 PM
Greetings!

Here is  video news report made by The Real News Network. The interview is with author Max Blumenthal. Also, take notice that this news report and video were presented *5 Years ago*. This is before the Russo-Ukraine war began in February, of 2022.

NOTE: Oh, and if there are any cock-sucking Nazi apologists--or Libtard morons that want to try and tap dance and screech that the fucking AZOV BATTALION doesn't exist, or isn't really full of NAZIS, or any other GASLIGHTING excuse for fucking Ukraine and the Zelensky Junta, pack it in your ass right now. I have literally multiple videos--by Left wing and Right wing news outfits--as well as a video by British Historian Mark Felton--a renowned scholar--all confirming the existence of the Azov Nazi forces, and the Ukrainian government's support of the Azov battalion. Oh, and also more than one referencing US support for arming Azov forces. YOU stupid fuckers out there can do the research. DIG, DIG, and DIG, and find all the different videos and interviews. Actually become fucking educated instead of just swallowing down Western Jello propaganda. I've seen these news reports and videos for *years now*--again, also from multiple sources. You can trust me, or do the research yourself, or pound fucking sand. I don't care. I'm not going to post a dozens videos here all demonstrating sources, news, an arguments.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 18, 2023, 12:45:26 PM
Greetings!

Here, we have a video showing Ukrainian citizens fighting against the Ukrainian Army. this is from years ago--like 2014 or 2016, as I recall. The Ukrainian forces for YEARS have been attacking, slaughtering, and oppressing the *Russian* people of Luhansk and Donestsk, that rebelled and resisted the Pro-Western, Pro-NATO, Pro-EU JUNTA in Kiev. They resisted oppression from 2014, when the Ukrainian government declared that the people of the eastern provinces were "Terrorists".

Notice all the destroyed cities? All the slaughtered people, the women, the children. The devastated and shattered lives. That bloody and savage oppression has been done by UKRAINE. *Sigh* The arrogance, the hypocrisy, the absolute lies, presented over and over by Ukraine, by the EU, and by the US through all of this--from way back, years before Russia chose to step in directly--and all of that, all of the lies, and the violence, slaughter, and oppression by a corrupt Junta in Ukraine, supported by the EU and the US, that, somehow isn't provoking Russia? That isn't the WEST provoking Russia? The West's advancing control, influence, and power into Ukraine is somehow not provoking Russia? All of this somehow isn't a threat to Russia? And somehow, still, the Russians are the "evil empire" and Putin is Darth Vader for striking back? Geesus. It makes me wonder why so many of my fellow Americans are such morons. A bunch of easily led, easily mind-fucked cattle, bleating sheep, all easily controlled and manipulated by the Western Media.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 18, 2023, 01:50:34 PM
"stable state" and "social consensus" are all relative concepts. just about any kind of those is better than civil war - and there wasn't one in Ukraine prior to the coup of 2014. it doesn't matter at all who installed whom - it happens all the time everywhere to those, who allow it, and Ukraine, or rather their post-soviet oligarchy, certainly did - what matters is, which particular seesaw shift resulted in a civil war. which was it again?
and, consequently, Mr. Putin didn't ignite the war - it was going on for eight bloody years before Russia intervened directly, which was a huge escalation for sure, but it wasn't what started this shit at all.

Russia intervened directly with the annexation of Crimea immediately, before the interim government had done anything in Donbas.

As for the start of hostilities in Donbas... As I understand it, you are saying that the interim government is to blame for its extremism - in other words, for going too far on the seesaw. But was what the interim government objectively that much worse than the Yanukovych government? I'd be open to evidence on this. From what I have learned, it doesn't seem like it.

From what I understand, ethnic Ukrainians experienced some anti-democratic oppression under Yanukovych, and ethnic Russians experienced some anti-democratic oppression under the the interim government and later Poroshenko. Oppression means, among other things, that anti-government protesters were jailed unfairly - and not allowed legitimate anti-government free speech. So ethnic Russians had legitimate grievances with the Poroshenko government, but then so did ethnic Ukrainians under Yanukovych.

My impression is that ethnic Russians in Donbas were emboldened by the Russian annexation of Crimea, and expected to receive Russian military support, so quickly turned to extreme separatism and violence. They had some legitimate grievances with the government, but no worse than ethnic Ukrainians had with Yanukovych government.

Do you think that the new government in 2014 was objectively more oppressive and less democratic than the Yanukovych government? Is there anything to show that?

If not, it seems to me that the escalation to greater violence came primarily from the Russian side in 2014, just as Russia further escalated in 2022 with its invasion.

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the fuckards US installed in Kiev were bombing Donbass for   e i g h t   y e a r s   - why weren't you and the rest of the bleeding hearts around the world as vocal about that as you are now when Putin went berserk? what, you were too busy calling him names and didn't notice?
then, how would you propose this conflict should have been de-escalated in the first place? Putin and co made it abundantly clear that they would not be tolerating any NATO expansion towards their borders anymore, and what was the response? - why, United States and their vassals tried to insert another NATO member right up Putin's keister.

The War in Donbas could have been de-escalated by negotiating another ceasefire. Minsk and Minsk 2 failed, but many conflicts have had a dozen or more attempts at ceasefires. The prior failures were a fault of both poorly established rules as well as failure on both sides to adhere to them. Given continued fighting, I think the proper de-escalation should have been to simply accept the existing border and establish a demilitarized zone along it -- as has been done in many other civil wars. Minsk 3 should have been much shorter and had only clear and simple rules to end hostilities rather than presuming any political solution. A ceasefire was successfully negotiated in Georgia in 2008 almost immediately, which seems like a good case.

As far as NATO, the U.S. and the West are not obliged to submit to Putin's demands any more than Putin is obliged to submit to the demands of the U.S. Putin can't simply demand that, say, Finland can't join NATO or he will invade Finland. That wouldn't be a reasonable demand. Finland has a border with Russia, but it is an independent country.

What both sides are responsible for is to not escalate violence.

The U.S. has escalated violence in many cases, like in Vietnam, Afghanistan in 2001, and Iraq in 2003. In the case of Ukraine, though, the escalation came from the Russian side. I think the case of Georgia is more debatable, and I will admit I'm not sure who is more responsible in that case.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 18, 2023, 03:16:42 PM
Here, we have a video showing Ukrainian citizens fighting against the Ukrainian Army. this is from years ago--like 2014 or 2016, as I recall. The Ukrainian forces for YEARS have been attacking, slaughtering, and oppressing the *Russian* people of Luhansk and Donestsk, that rebelled and resisted the Pro-Western, Pro-NATO, Pro-EU JUNTA in Kiev. They resisted oppression from 2014, when the Ukrainian government declared that the people of the eastern provinces were "Terrorists".

Notice all the destroyed cities? All the slaughtered people, the women, the children. The devastated and shattered lives. That bloody and savage oppression has been done by UKRAINE. *Sigh* The arrogance, the hypocrisy, the absolute lies, presented over and over by Ukraine, by the EU, and by the US through all of this

SHARK, I haven't watched this video yet -- but also, you haven't responded to my previous discussion.

I find it rather jarring that you accuse me of lacking nuance and understanding and being one-sided -- but then you jump to this sort of language. Are you claiming that the separatists in Donbas in 2014 were all peaceful, freedom-loving citizens who were simply responding to one-sided military aggression from the Ukraine government? Do you claim that the Yanukovych government was fair and democratic, giving freedom to all Ukrainians?

At the start of April 2014, armed protesters stormed and took control of government offices in Donetsk and Kharkiv and Luhansk, waving Russian flags. That's not a one-sided claim - that is what RT itself says. RT also says that the participants "pushing for a Crimea-style referendum on independence from Ukraine."

Do you also think that the March referendum for Crimea to rejoin Russia was fair and democratic - where 96.77% of Crimean voters chose to rejoin Russia (again, according to RT)? I think those results seem awfully suspicious given that Russian troops had already moved in and seized control.

I don't claim that the interim and Poroshenko governments were blameless, but I also don't think that the separatists were either. It seems to me that the separatists turned to military force as their first choice, and many were aiming for military takeover of the region rather than real democratic referendum.

EDITED TO ADD: Here is the RT article on the armed takeovers in Donbas

https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protest-russia-733/

If you have evidence of military oppression in Donbas prior to April 6th 2014, I would be open to hearing it. Or other specific points. I'd be fine with discussing evidence in general.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 18, 2023, 06:32:29 PM
Even in the 1930's--US MARINE GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER--a decorated war hero--publicly discussed how the US had intervened, instigated rebellions, "regime changes"--and wars--throughout Central America, for SUGAR, PINEAPPLES, and BANANAS. Doe Pineappe and Chiquita Banana baby! They had the White House on SPEED DIAL. Oh, also US Oil companies also gathered at the trough for obscene profits, too. I suppose in your world, Jhkim, the US doesn't do that anymore, right?

I hate to bust that sweet jello bubble, Jhkim, but yes, it still goes on to this day. It has never stopped, nor has it ever been any different. You seem to be blissfully blind to how all nations struggle and compete. Every nation struggles and fights for supremacy, for influence, for power, dominance, and security. Every nation does this--or lines themselves up as the friend behind the big dog on the block.

SHARK, I think we're talking past each other. What that you're saying has been a part of my talking points for decades. Really, it sounds right out of typical progressive critique of globalist imperialism since the 1960s, right up through the 2000s and 2010s to the present.

My ex-father-in-law grew up in Venezuela as part of the American oil companies operating there. So I've learned first hand about the exploitation that American oil companies in Venezuela were responsible for. That doesn't mean that I'm in favor of Chavez and Maduro, though.

The question isn't whether this sort imperialism happens. The question is whether or not it is a good thing.

From my view, it sounds like you're justifying globalist imperialism as "this is just how the world works - learn to accept it". So in the U.S., we should continue to vote in uniparty candidates who do the bidding of oil companies - and not complain about other countries that do the same.

I think that things can get better, and in the long term, they have gotten better. Over the past century, we have seen more and more countries where people live free lives with democratic control of their government.

Greetings!

Last night, I went out to an Irish pub with friends, and celebrated St. Patrick's Day. I had a fantastic basket of Fish & Chips, with Tartar Sauce. I also had a small bowl of traditional Irish Stew, with some yummy bread. All accompanied by some Irish beer, and a White Russian drink. I also enjoyed a slice of the Chocolate Guinness Cake--layers of chocolate cake with Chocolate Mousse, topped by a dark Chocolate Ganesh and Raspberry sauce. Really, an excellent meal. Afterwards, I had some Irish Cream on the rocks, and a fine cigar!

So, now we get back into our political discussion here.

I don't care what Yanakovich was doing, before 2014. The fact is, he was Pro-Russian. He was also anti-EU, and not going along with EU economic plans and proposals--that, not coincidentally--benefitted various EU corporations hugely. Furthermore, Yanakovich was on board with economic plans that benefitted Ukraine and Russia--like various pipeline management projects that Russia was involved with Ukraine in doing, that would extend into Western Europe, and supply western Europe with oil.

We know that the EU and the US didn't like Yanakovich, or his policies, or his good relationship with Russia, so, they decided that Yanakovich had to go--by any means necessary. Thus, what we can see, is the "Colour Revolution" was funded, instigated, and supervised by the US government. Listen or read to the leaked transctips of our fucking ambassador chick, Nuland. So, that's a fact.

The US has supported and trained Ukrainian forces--including the Nazi Azov troops. That also, is a fact.

That makes the US, and by extension, the cock-sucking EU, GUILTY. A priori. Done.

The ongoing US support and involvement with Ukraine is therefore, corrupt, unjust, immoral, and evil.

I think that the US should let Russia and Ukraine sort out there own business, between themselves. I'm also very possessive of our own national pride and prestige. If the US was involved with a civil war, I wouldn't appreciate any foreign power jumping up to help supply them with arms, intelligence, money, and other goodies. At All. Stay the fuck out of OUR BUSINESS. Furthermore, it's OUR LAND. OUR BORDERS. OUR SECURITY. I would fucking jackhammer any nation arrogantly coming up and saying well, you are wrong, and need to do what we fucking say! Fuck that. Ram them with bombers or a fucking nuke, and make them learn their fucking pace. Step out of line, and get fucking annihilated.

But, that ship has sailed. We are in the here and now. So, I think that the facts show that the US is absolutely wrong, and at fault for starting the bullshit to begin with. We instigated the fucking coup--the "Colour Revolution" that brought down the democratically-elected government of Ukraine, and we then installed our nice little puppet, that would let the EU corporations fuck Ukraine in the ass--and, with the added benefit, open the door to the US advancing NATO power further eastwards, geographically, into Ukraine that would make the continued survival of the Russian state precarious at best, and promote further corruption and subversion into the Russian state, to bring the entire Russian country to their knees. Culturally, economically, and politically, corrupt them with even more streams of Liberal Globalism, more Feminism, more Rainbow Hippo propaganda, more abortion propaganda, and more propaganda aimed at attacking the Orthodox Christian Church, and the Christian people in general.

That was the plan. But President Vladimir Putin said "Fuck That!", and invaded.

You need to study real History, and real Geography, and Political Science. There can be no Russia without Ukraine, so Ukraine will be defeated and brought into the fold by Russia. Russia cannot exist with a hostile Ukraine on their border. Just like Georgia. The US tried to train Georgian armies, and we sent "advisors" to Georgia too--in preparation for getting our foot in the door there, but a month later, President Putin sent in the Russian armies and crushed Georgia, and restored a secure border for Russia, and shut the door there in our face, so we couldn't get yet another Chess piece on the board in our favour.

Why is that important? Again, understand Geography and resources. The natural borders of Russia are somewhere along Poland, or further westwards. From the Baltics, on down the map, there is a cordon of defensible terrain--forests, mountains, marshes--that serve as the only series of natural protections and defense lines for a secure Russia. Move that border a thousand miles eastwards, and you are ready to roll tanks and invasion armies deep into Russia where the Russians would be helpless to defend against. Thus, Ukraine must belong to Russia, one way or the other. In a similar manner, Georgia and Chechnya. Georgia was on the plate. Putin stomped on that. Why? Because of strategic resources, and geography. Morals, morals, morals. Too bad. Russia is the big dog on the block, and cannot exist if the Caucuses Oil region is not in their control. The oil is important, of course, but also the GEOGRAPHY. So, those small nations or peoples down there must find a way to live peaceably with the Russians. Either that, or die. There are no other choices, and they know it. As you look over a good map, other similar areas of strategic interest show themselves as key centers for strategic security for Russia. Kazakhstan comes to mind, as well. Thus, there are very real strategic interests for the Russians that are being threatened. You either accept that and respect it, or you get nuked. Or crushed by tanks, whatever. The Russians are no different from any other large nation state doing what it needs to so as to secure the strategic interests of the state and people.

It would be like expecting the US to let Texas secede, and somehow, be an "Independent nation". *Laughing* NO! That wouldn't happen, or couldn't, because, again, look at a map. Geography and resources determine if a large nation state can survive, or otherwise be doomed to be a little small fractured people that are enslaved by their stronger neighbours. Texas, while being a different culture, a different mind set, and some would say a different language--cannot be free. They will be, now and always, part of the larger America. Otherwise, a United States would be critically threatened, and would not continue to survive for very long. As I noted earlier, these same traits and dynamics of strategic interests, of geography and resources, can be seen with Ukraine and Russia, with the same kinds of results. Russia must in whatever way realign Ukraine, or Russia will cease to be a functioning nation state. The dynamics of strategic resources, strategic geography, work the same everywhere, for every large nation state.

So, the motives that were present at the beginning of this situation, for the US and the EU, are clear. The motives for Russia are also clear in their response. This is simply providing an honest, geo political analysis. Look at the fucking map, understand the resources involved. Then read the news section, and understand the global hegemony of the Liberal World Order, and the methods used by the US to corrupt and destabilize nations, and bring them to their knees, so they are controlled slaves.

That should open your eyes to where there is room for applying a moral lens to the situation. Being more educated, it also provides a window into understanding--real understanding--not the fake confusion and phony bewilderment of the Libtards, "Why do 50% of American Republican support Russia?" Because people are actually educated, and can see the in-propagandized elements of history, and politics in action, right before their eyes. The whole beginning stage of this situation are disgusting and corrupt, and most of which, obviously as has been noted, has been instigated by the US.

The fellow member, "I" posted an article earlier, showing how even now we are sending feelers out and trying to set up points of jumping so we can corrupt and overthrow Hungary. Purposely starting rebellions, confusion, instigating resistance and more problems. Creating chaos, so to create destabilization, and weaken the native government. Do you think other nations don't have their own Intelligence Agencies, Jhkim? Do you think they don't have people ready to stand against this kind of evil bullshit?

Why are you suprised when a nation says "no!" to this kind of behavior? Just because we in the US haven't nuked them, doesn't mean that we aren't trying to corrupt them, destroy them, and make them good little controllable slaves. Or client states. Do you think the people of Hungary like being corrupted with Rainbow Hippo propganada? With Feminism propaganda? With all of the corrupt, gagging immoral bullshit and filth that the Western Liberals love so much? Do you not believe that there are people that are willing to kill and fight to resist being corrupted by Western Liberal filth?

I have to light my pipe and make some fresh coffee.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 18, 2023, 06:43:07 PM

 But it is Putin who turned Ukraine from seesawing governments and corruption into devastating hot war, and began slaughtering Ukrainians when he didn't get his way.

The U.S. has had devastating wars that it started -- but this isn't one of them.

The war's been going on since 2014, long before Russia invaded.  Zelensky was "slaughtering Ukrainians when he didn't get his way," too.  It was a lot worse than just "seesawing governments and corruption."

Greetings!

That's right, I! Very true!

I also loved that article you posted about Hungary, and America is already trying to corrupt Hungary, and prepare the way for a "Colour Revolution" just like we did in Ukraine!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 18, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
No, I don't agree to that.
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The U.S. has had devastating wars that it started -- but this isn't one of them.
i'm a little disappointed, because i tried to offer an honest discussion to you and you came back regurgitating all the propaganda they do in Kiev and in western media back at me, complete with "maidan revolution" and "democratic elections". well, let's try to ventilate the room a little more.

"stable state" and "social consensus" are all relative concepts. just about any kind of those is better than civil war - and there wasn't one in Ukraine prior to the coup of 2014. it doesn't matter at all who installed whom - it happens all the time everywhere to those, who allow it, and Ukraine, or rather their post-soviet oligarchy, certainly did - what matters is, which particular seesaw shift resulted in a civil war. which was it again?
and, consequently, Mr. Putin didn't ignite the war - it was going on for eight bloody years before Russia intervened directly, which was a huge escalation for sure, but it wasn't what started this shit at all. the fuckards US installed in Kiev were bombing Donbass for   e i g h t   y e a r s   - why weren't you and the rest of the bleeding hearts around the world as vocal about that as you are now when Putin went berserk? what, you were too busy calling him names and didn't notice?
then, how would you propose this conflict should have been de-escalated in the first place? Putin and co made it abundantly clear that they would not be tolerating any NATO expansion towards their borders anymore, and what was the response? - why, United States and their vassals tried to insert another NATO member right up Putin's keister. and then, just recently Merkel and the rest of US lackeys publicly admitted that Misk agreements were only there to buy time for them to bolster their puppets in Kiev, and there they were not any plans of reconciliation in the first place - so who was escalating again? just Putin? really?

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The question isn't whether this sort imperialism happens. The question is whether or not it is a good thing.

From my view, it sounds like you're justifying globalist imperialism as "this is just how the world works - learn to accept it".

and this is just... sad, man. i'm sure SHARK can speak for himself, but allow me chime in as well - no one is telling you to accept anything, that's your choice alone. what's being told to you here is that before you accept or reject something you must fist understand it, and it doesn't look to me like you do. imperialism is a fact of the matter, and it always takes two to fight (at least), but for some reason you insist on only calling the kettle black.

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Greetings!

Very sharp and insightful, Klava!

Yes, OPEN THE DOORS TO MORE AIR OF TRUTH!

"The smell of stupid" *Laughing* That made me laugh so much, Klava! I have been smoking my pipe, enjoying some coffee, and just roaring with laughter over your commentary, Klava! Excellent, sir!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 19, 2023, 01:54:10 AM
Greetings!

Here is a program, The Chris Hedges Report. In this program episode, Chris Hedges interviews Medea Benjamin, where they discuss the War in Ukraine. They talk about the United States instigating the "Colour Revolution" in Ukraine, headed up by Victoria Nuland, the then-serving Under Secretary of State (US). WE instigated the coup in Ukraine. The US has also supported, funded, and trained NUMEROUS Right-wing, fascist military units in Ukraine, including the Nazi AZOV Brigades.

They discuss more lies and evil corruption by the US and NATO--how we PROMISED RUSSIA OVER AND OVER that we would not advance NATO beyond Germany.

All LIES, CORRUPTION, DECEIT, AND WARMONGERING. This entire war in Ukraine is engineered to enrich the US Global Empire, the National Security State, and funnel billions of profits into US arms corporations. And, also to strengthen and enrich the EU, and the Liberal World Order. A secondary long-term goal of the mission, is to crush and subordinate Russia.



NOTE: Historically, I have generally *hated* Leftists like Chris Hedges and Medea Benjamin. I also understand that "A broken clock is right twice a day." These people normally or I should say, historically, disgust me. I have admitted that I am very Conservative. I've even mentioned to a past girlfriend when she asked me where I stood on politics--and I told her that I sit at the Right Hand of Genghis Khan!" *Laughing* So, having said that, I believe in integrity. Chris Hedges--a Leftist Scholar and professional journalist, and Medea Benjamin, also a Leftist media scholar, are right on target with their assessments and criticisms of America's entire involvement in Ukraine. They also discuss how the Democrats obsessive hatred of Russia and the whole anti-Russian hysteria promoted throughout much of the US is also manufactured, phony propaganda. Over the years I have periodically kept an eye on listening to Chris Hedges talks and presentations--while many times his positions have infuriated me--I also admit that I have listened, and seen the evidence, the logic, the truth--that he generally strives for. His commitment to truth and integrity also goes along with--wait for it---a concern for morality. Hedges consistently comes down on the US for it's corruption, greed, and absolute lies--and fights to present how many of our government's policies and actions have been entirely fraudulent and immoral, and a shameful abdication of morality. Personally, I come from the "Realist" school of Political Science, of International Relations, as opposed to the "Idealist" school--which is generally more favoured by Liberals, here in America. Nonetheless, integrity and truth are things that I deeply value and cherish. Therefore, I have some considerable respect for Chris Hedges and his analysis on various events concerning US politics, and International Politics. So many good points to think about. I remain encouraged that here at least in the US, there are many true Conservatives and also a few Leftists that can see through all of the lies, corruption, and propaganda, promoted by the US and the EU, and see the real truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 19, 2023, 02:04:05 AM
Greetings!

Here we have another Chris Hedges Reports program that discusses the war in Ukraine, and the US and NATO media censorship. The lies, the corruption, the cover-ups, the firing and pressuring against journalists that dare to have the courage and integrity to speak the truth. They are typically silenced. Interestingly, Hedges talks with another journalist here also, Patrick Lawrence as I recall, about the media censorship of a Amnesty International report that Ukraine tactics were a violation of the Laws of War, by purposefully setting up military forces near schools and hospitals. In addition, atrocities and war crimes--by NAZI AZOV brigades--are also lied about, and covered up. A absolutely scrubbed picture is presented to the Western Public.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 19, 2023, 07:08:05 PM
Greetings!

It is refreshing to listen to Colonel Macgreggor here, in this program, where he is interviewed about commentary on the War in Ukraine. Colonel Macgreggor's analysis is very different from the jello propaganda served up on a daily basis by a corrupt, mainstream American Media. Colonel Macgreggor discusses the military situation, as well as growing economic problems--and an economic crisis--throughout Western Europe, as well as here in America. Also, he comments on growing Russian industry and strength, and contrasts that with serious, and irreplaceable losses suffered by Ukraine. He also takes aim at how the US could have genuinely engaged with Russia in the very beginning, and averted this terrible war from the start. It is a relatively brief program, only about 30 minutes, and well-worth listening to for a balanced, sober analysis of the Ukraine War at present, with some analysis about future capabilities and likely political outcomes.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 20, 2023, 05:00:46 AM
"stable state" and "social consensus" are all relative concepts. just about any kind of those is better than civil war - and there wasn't one in Ukraine prior to the coup of 2014. it doesn't matter at all who installed whom - it happens all the time everywhere to those, who allow it, and Ukraine, or rather their post-soviet oligarchy, certainly did - what matters is, which particular seesaw shift resulted in a civil war. which was it again?
and, consequently, Mr. Putin didn't ignite the war - it was going on for eight bloody years before Russia intervened directly, which was a huge escalation for sure, but it wasn't what started this shit at all.

Russia intervened directly with the annexation of Crimea immediately
true. how many people died in Crimea as a result? i don't have the number in front of me, but i think you can count those on one hand. you'll have to forgive me, but, personally, i measure the results of imperialistic conflicts mostly in lives lost, not butts hurt.

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before the interim government had done anything in Donbas.
it didn't start in Donbass. the fucktards installed in Kiev were crystal clear on their intentions towards ethnic russians right off the bat. just for comparison, you know what one of the the first legislative proposals was that "horrible commies" discussed, when they took power in 1917? - it was called "of peace and of land", and was to deal with ending the war and property rights on land. you know what the democracy-loving US puppets put up? - to strip russian language from its status as official. in a nation of about 42 million people with something like 15 to 20 millions (depending on whom you ask) ethnic russians.

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As for the start of hostilities in Donbas... As I understand it, you are saying that the interim government is to blame for its extremism - in other words, for going too far on the seesaw. But was what the interim government objectively that much worse than the Yanukovych government? I'd be open to evidence on this. From what I have learned, it doesn't seem like it.
you "learned" something, huh? how interesting. in current information war, the only way to find out for sure what happened in there would be to go there, man.
i mean, i wouldn't be able to prove anything that follows to you - unless you come visit that is - but let's have a little proximity check:
i'm married to a half-ukrainian. i had been in contact with friends relatives and colleagues in ukraine for 20+ years (most of those connections are severed now, sadly). i have a cousin who's married to an ethnic russian who had to flee their home in Ukraine along with his whole family for fear of their lives very shortly after the coup. the stories of what nationalistic thugs unleashed by junta in Kiev were doing there they carried with them were horrible to say the least. but i wouldn't claim to know the details - everything i posted for you is based solely on what comes out the the mouths of those, who call the shots. you on the other hand are sitting on the other side of the globe, your closest contact with this shit is via "English speaking players, whos views align with Western values" and you "learned stuff"?

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From what I understand, ethnic Ukrainians experienced some anti-democratic oppression under Yanukovych, and ethnic Russians experienced some anti-democratic oppression under the the interim government and later Poroshenko. Oppression means, among other things, that anti-government protesters were jailed unfairly - and not allowed legitimate anti-government free speech. So ethnic Russians had legitimate grievances with the Poroshenko government, but then so did ethnic Ukrainians under Yanukovych.

My impression is that ethnic Russians in Donbas were emboldened by the Russian annexation of Crimea, and expected to receive Russian military support, so quickly turned to extreme separatism and violence. They had some legitimate grievances with the government, but no worse than ethnic Ukrainians had with Yanukovych government.

Do you think that the new government in 2014 was objectively more oppressive and less democratic than the Yanukovych government? Is there anything to show that?
Houston to jhkim...
come in, jhkim...

seriously, man. come back to earth. "democray"? in post-soviet Ukraine?

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If not, it seems to me that the escalation to greater violence came primarily from the Russian side in 2014, just as Russia further escalated in 2022 with its invasion.
as i said, too much mind reading here, man, too much appealing to emotions and arguments based on things you have no way of knowing.

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the fuckards US installed in Kiev were bombing Donbass for   e i g h t   y e a r s   - why weren't you and the rest of the bleeding hearts around the world as vocal about that as you are now when Putin went berserk? what, you were too busy calling him names and didn't notice?
then, how would you propose this conflict should have been de-escalated in the first place? Putin and co made it abundantly clear that they would not be tolerating any NATO expansion towards their borders anymore, and what was the response? - why, United States and their vassals tried to insert another NATO member right up Putin's keister.

The War in Donbas could have been de-escalated by negotiating another ceasefire. Minsk and Minsk 2 failed, but many conflicts have had a dozen or more attempts at ceasefires.
you have conveniently omitted the part were i pointed out that there wasn't any plans for de-escalation on Merkel and co's side in the first place. it was all supposed to just buy time.

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as far as NATO, the U.S. and the West are not obliged to submit to Putin's demands any more than Putin is obliged to submit to the demands of the U.S. Putin can't simply demand that, say, Finland can't join NATO or he will invade Finland. That wouldn't be a reasonable demand. Finland has a border with Russia, but it is an independent country.
uh huh. you've been already asked here what you think would happen if we turned situation around and, say, russia or china went to the other side of the glode, installed a vehemently anti-US government in, for example, Canada, and the junta started harassing all the english speaking citizens of that nation - do you think United States would interfere? would that be fair?

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What both sides are responsible for is to not escalate violence.
well, that is one thing we can at least agree on. and imo, judging by what info is available atm, United States and vassals got exactly what they intended out of this.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 20, 2023, 07:27:41 PM
Greetings!

Klava, here is a full interview with Russian Foreign Minister Maria Zakharova, about Ukraine. Maria Zakharova proceeds to brilliantly educate and ruthlessly crushes the retarded US CNN journalists that attempt to fight her while spewing propaganda. Maria Zakharova just really take them to school, and with such class and style!

What I your perspective on this exchange here? I, of course, got to read the translation. Just listening to her speaking Russian and eloquently explaining all kind of things is such a joy! And, damn she is so smart and razor sharp! Notice how Maria Zakharova proceeds through this entirely without any teleprompters? I don't even think she looks at any notes! She just unpacks all of this straight from her mind! As you know, I don't speak Russian, but just listening to her, watching her eyes and body language, she is immensely intelligent and confident in everything she says. Beautiful episode here!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 20, 2023, 08:21:06 PM
Hey, Klava. We have some talking past each other, so I'm trying to dig down to the core points.

as far as NATO, the U.S. and the West are not obliged to submit to Putin's demands any more than Putin is obliged to submit to the demands of the U.S. Putin can't simply demand that, say, Finland can't join NATO or he will invade Finland. That wouldn't be a reasonable demand. Finland has a border with Russia, but it is an independent country.
uh huh. you've been already asked here what you think would happen if we turned situation around and, say, russia or china went to the other side of the glode, installed a vehemently anti-US government in, for example, Canada, and the junta started harassing all the english speaking citizens of that nation - do you think United States would interfere? would that be fair?

You've used this a couple times. But there's a huge difference between "interfere" and an all-out invasion that costs tens of thousands of lives.

As I've already mentioned, there are already two socialist regimes adjacent to the U.S. - Cuba and Venezuela. Canada seems further off, but it seems conceivable that at some point Mexico could have an anti-American socialist revolution similar to Cuba or Venezuela. And I would not be surprised if China and/or Russia had given covert assistance to the anti-American side. If that was the case, I expect that the U.S. would do a lot of moves -- including harden its border, put troops in place, begin economic sanctions, and take covert action like funding and arming Mexican insurgents.

However, if the U.S. were to respond by invading Mexico wholesale and bombing Mexicans cities to "liberate" them from their government, then I'd be out there with the anti-war protests calling for the American government to stop, and encouraging other countries to help stop the U.S.'s immoral war. It's a question of the level of violence. You seem to use the same metric here:

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Russia intervened directly with the annexation of Crimea immediately
true. how many people died in Crimea as a result? i don't have the number in front of me, but i think you can count those on one hand. you'll have to forgive me, but, personally, i measure the results of imperialistic conflicts mostly in lives lost, not butts hurt.

I don't think lives lost is the only metric, but yeah, I agree that it is a really important one. I think there's a huge difference between the annexation of Crimea and the invasion, and my reaction to each was very different.

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What both sides are responsible for is to not escalate violence.
well, that is one thing we can at least agree on. and imo, judging by what info is available atm, United States and vassals got exactly what they intended out of this.

I'm glad we agree on violent escalation being the problem, at least.

To explain my point of view, I think it might help to get some of my own background. My father comes from what is now North Korea, and was born outside of Pyongyang. His father moved south, but his uncles and other family mostly remained in the north. I have a ton of criticisms of how the U.S. handled South Korea. That they installed a pro-American junta, they never intended fair elections, they kept U.S. troops on hand to quell unrest, and they encouraged murderous anti-communist purges. As an 12-year-old child, my father was taken in by the police and beaten for suspicion of helping his family pass money to his communist uncle.

However bad the U.S. and its junta was, though, the North Korean side were far worse. Politics is always a choice of lesser evils. I and everyone in my family are happy that they weren't conquered and had to live under the North Korean regime. South Koreans have had to deal with oppressive police, military juntas, corruption, and more - but that is all far less than what my relatives in North Korea have had to deal with.

I've done my best to learn about both sides of this. I went with my father to the Chinese border of North Korea, and we stopped at North Korean cultural exchange centers to look at materials there. I've read accounts of the many atrocities that have come to light since then. Even so, I still blame primarily the North Korean side for escalating and turning the conflict into a hot war that killed millions.

I think the decades since have demonstrated this. South Korea has made great strides towards establishing democracy and protecting free speech. We see a lot of open media that is critical of American action, and has exposed American atrocities during the occupation. In North Korea, not so much.

This is important because almost all of the arguments here apply to South Korea. That the Americans and the West had no business in Asia, and were just trying to establish a foothold there. That geographically, Korea was naturally in the Chinese and/or Russian sphere. etc.

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i'm married to a half-ukrainian. i had been in contact with friends relatives and colleagues in ukraine for 20+ years (most of those connections are severed now, sadly). i have a cousin who's married to an ethnic russian who had to flee their home in Ukraine along with his whole family for fear of their lives very shortly after the coup. the stories of what nationalistic thugs unleashed by junta in Kiev were doing there they carried with them were horrible to say the least. but i wouldn't claim to know the details

Thanks for the background. To explain more of my sources, I have no direct family in Ukraine, but I have several close friends here who have direct family in Russia and/or Ukraine in my circles. I am close with a friend from church who immigrated from Russia as an adult as did her husband, and one of the people in my local roleplaying circle immigrated from Ukraine as a child, and has been in contact with her family there.

From 2005 to 2017, I'd gone to role-playing conventions in Finland and Sweden - which had attendees from Russia, Ukraine, and many other former Soviet countries. I also used my trip in 2009 to visit a friend living in Moscow. I've kept in contact with many people from these trips. Last year after the war started, I was contacted by one of these friends in Ukraine hoping I could help get a Starlink device using my Silicon Valley contacts. (I couldn't, but I investigated.)

I also don't claim to know the details, but I am doing my best to talk to sources who are as close as possible to the issues.

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the fucktards installed in Kiev were crystal clear on their intentions towards ethnic russians right off the bat. just for comparison, you know what one of the the first legislative proposals was that "horrible commies" discussed, when they took power in 1917? - it was called "of peace and of land", and was to deal with ending the war and property rights on land. you know what the democracy-loving US puppets put up? - to strip russian language from its status as official. in a nation of about 42 million people with something like 15 to 20 millions (depending on whom you ask) ethnic russians.

Can you clarify about the official language? From search, the sources I see prior to 2014 still say that Ukrainian was made the sole official language in the 1996 constitution. Here's an example, but the same is described in a number of places.

https://extranet.who.int/mindbank/item/4669

I'm prepared to believe there was violence against ethnic Russians, but the official language doesn't seem like evidence of it. I'd want to hear more about your cousin's having to flee, which sounds much worse.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 21, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
Klava, here is a full interview with Russian Foreign Minister Maria Zakharova, about Ukraine.
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What I your perspective on this exchange here?
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well... you know, there's a saying in russia "ебала жаба гадюку", which could be loosely translated as something like "ones a toad was fucking a viper" - that's kinda how it all looks to me. honestly, it may not have been very obvious from my posts here, but i really hate what Maria Zakharova and her likes represent about as much as i hate those fucktards from CNN who have the audacity to call themselves "journalists".
as to that particular video - well, she is a talking head with a bunch of pre-approved points and comebacks, but nothing special really. the fact that that dude was being pwned as hard by her as he was speaks more of how pathetic he and his whole agenda really is than anything else.
now, the actual minister (Zakharova is just a spokesperson and PR manager) Sergey Lavrov is true gigachad, and speaks proper english as well (when he wants to). watch him for better lulz :P
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 21, 2023, 05:46:16 PM
Klava, here is a full interview with Russian Foreign Minister Maria Zakharova, about Ukraine.
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What I your perspective on this exchange here?
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well... you know, there's a saying in russia "ебала жаба гадюку", which could be loosely translated as something like "ones a toad was fucking a viper" - that's kinda how it all looks to me. honestly, it may not have been very obvious from my posts here, but i really hate what Maria Zakharova and her likes represent about as much as i hate those fucktards from CNN who have the audacity to call themselves "journalists".
as to that particular video - well, she is a talking head with a bunch of pre-approved points and comebacks, but nothing special really. the fact that that dude was being pwned as hard by her as he was speaks more of how pathetic he and his whole agenda really is than anything else.
now, the actual minister (Zakharova is just a spokesperson and PR manager) Sergey Lavrov is true gigachad, and speaks proper english as well (when he wants to). watch him for better lulz :P

Greetings!

Yes, Klava! I am always overjoyed when some Jello-filled US Journalist gets wrecked in these kinds of sessions. It is also sad, that we have so many "Journalists" that are--supposedly educated--and yet, they so often show themselves to be absolute morons. It is clear that they have zero real knowledge of the topic at hand.

As for Zakharova, yes. I see. She is the PR person. Well, she certainly has her facts and figures very well memorized! No teleprompters, no real notes, she just unleashes on this clown, right from the hip. I was roaring with laughter with every other sentence she said, while the CNN cown is stuttering and desperately trying to keep up. It is clear that he is really like a "Fish Out of Water". *Laughing*

Have you watched the other videos I posted? Each of them is very interesting, and provides different perspectives on the issues, though also with major points being in common and agreement.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 21, 2023, 06:12:46 PM
Klava, here is a full interview with Russian Foreign Minister Maria Zakharova, about Ukraine.
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What I your perspective on this exchange here?
well... you know, there's a saying in russia "ебала жаба гадюку", which could be loosely translated as something like "ones a toad was fucking a viper" - that's kinda how it all looks to me. honestly, it may not have been very obvious from my posts here, but i really hate what Maria Zakharova and her likes represent about as much as i hate those fucktards from CNN who have the audacity to call themselves "journalists".
as to that particular video - well, she is a talking head with a bunch of pre-approved points and comebacks, but nothing special really.

Thanks for that, Klava. I'm still catching up on watching SHARK's videos, and I was surprised by the content in some of them. He earlier posted this Max Blumenthal video:

Here is  video news report made by The Real News Network. The interview is with author Max Blumenthal. Also, take notice that this news report and video were presented *5 Years ago*. This is before the Russo-Ukraine war began in February, of 2022.

NOTE: Oh, and if there are any cock-sucking Nazi apologists--or Libtard morons that want to try and tap dance and screech that the fucking AZOV BATTALION doesn't exist, or isn't really full of NAZIS, or any other GASLIGHTING excuse for fucking Ukraine and the Zelensky Junta, pack it in your ass right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Uf7aooxvE

This is some transcript from the interview:

Quote from: Max Blumenthal
One of the things that hasn't been really mentioned in Israeli media is the fact that the Israeli government last year signed a memorandum of understanding with the Polish Law and Justice government and part of that memorandum of understanding was that Israel recognizes Poland's need to ban expressions relating to Polish death camps. Israel just signed onto that. They basically signed on to the legislation that their government is condemning.

And you know why did they do that... Well, Israel has a long history and the Zionist movement has a long history of collaborating with anti-semites including Nazi Germany to advance its own narrow national interests. In this case, we recently saw Poland abstain from a UN vote condemning Israel over the Trump administration's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and Poland recently signed a 14.5 million dollar deal to import Patriot missiles from Israel that are mostly made by Israeli arms manufacturers.

Israel's basically looking to Eastern Europe as the future support base for it's right-wing government and Israel really has no place to condemn Poland or the Ukraine or any other country that engages in banning certain recognitions of the Holocaust because Israel's government has authorized its own legislation to forbid its Palestinian citizens from observing their own destruction - specifically the Nakba which represented the organized campaign of ethnic cleansing from 1947 to 1948 in the ongoing campaign of destruction and dispossession of the Palestinian people. So those are really shared values between Israel and the Polish government and those shared values are reflected in the memorandum of understanding.

So this 2017 video critiques the shared nazi-tolerant values among all of the Ukraine government, Polish government, Trump administration, and Israeli government. Most people on the Left are quite aware and indeed vocal about how white supremacist and neo-nazi movements are active within Europe and the U.S. - including within Ukraine.

Since 2017, Ukraine had Zelensky become president who is a Jew and the grandson of a Holocaust survivor. Despite this, I'm sure there is fair critique that he has been pragmatically tolerant of neo-nazi activity within Ukraine.

However, I don't think that in any way justifies invasion in order to denazify Ukraine.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 21, 2023, 06:36:52 PM

Thanks for that, Klava. I'm still catching up on watching SHARK's videos, and I was surprised by the content in some of them. He earlier posted this Max Blumenthal video:

 

However, I don't think that in any way justifies invasion in order to denazify Ukraine.

Greetings!

Yes, I hope you enjoy the videos, Jhkim. I certainly did. I found them to be very interesting, as well as informative.

As for you disagreeing that in any way justifies invasion in order to denazify Ukraine, well, you see? That's where disagreements come from. Russia, clearly, doesn't care whether or not you agree. I would think the fact that Russia fought World War II and crushed the Nazis--while themselves suffering the absolute disastrous losses of 25 to 50 million people entitles them to take care of business. That goes along with to the victor goes the spoils. Defeated and crushed enemy nations must bow down and submit to the victorious, conquering nation. The US has done that for decades in Germany and Japan--and as such, all of these lands around Russia are sensitive areas for their security. So, yeah, if Russia doesn't want Nazis in Ukraine, that's the way it is. Ukraine wouldn't even be here as any kind of entity, if Russia didn't first crush all of the Nazi armies and liberate Ukraine, as part of the Russian Motherland. So, yeah. I imagine Russians believe what they want and what they deem to be a priority is more important than what you, or I, or anyone else thinks. If that isn't good enough, well, that's why tanks and flamethrowers exist.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 23, 2023, 02:25:25 PM
I would think the fact that Russia fought World War II and crushed the Nazis--while themselves suffering the absolute disastrous losses of 25 to 50 million people entitles them to take care of business. That goes along with to the victor goes the spoils. Defeated and crushed enemy nations must bow down and submit to the victorious, conquering nation. The US has done that for decades in Germany and Japan--and as such, all of these lands around Russia are sensitive areas for their security. So, yeah, if Russia doesn't want Nazis in Ukraine, that's the way it is. Ukraine wouldn't even be here as any kind of entity, if Russia didn't first crush all of the Nazi armies and liberate Ukraine, as part of the Russian Motherland. So, yeah. I imagine Russians believe what they want and what they deem to be a priority is more important than what you, or I, or anyone else thinks. If that isn't good enough, well, that's why tanks and flamethrowers exist.

"To the victor go the spoils" is basically "might makes right". If that's your argument, then it seems there is little to criticize the American globalist power-grabbers. They are the victors, so they should get what they want. Whoever wins, it just goes to show.


I don't believe that, though. The U.S. can't always get what it wants even after it invades and is militarily superior - as shown by Vietnam and Afghanistan. Rule by the end of a gun works, but only in the short term. South Korea was once a U.S. imposed military dictatorship, but it has had major democratic reforms. It still has problems, but it's a damn sight better than North Korea.

Overall, this strangely feels like disagreement that I've had with my far-left friends. I know some people who are so opposed to U.S. imperialism that they defend anti-American communist rule like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and China. I am opposed to U.S. imperialism, but sometimes they are the lesser evil in a conflict.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 25, 2023, 10:53:24 PM
I would think the fact that Russia fought World War II and crushed the Nazis--while themselves suffering the absolute disastrous losses of 25 to 50 million people entitles them to take care of business. That goes along with to the victor goes the spoils. Defeated and crushed enemy nations must bow down and submit to the victorious, conquering nation. The US has done that for decades in Germany and Japan--and as such, all of these lands around Russia are sensitive areas for their security. So, yeah, if Russia doesn't want Nazis in Ukraine, that's the way it is. Ukraine wouldn't even be here as any kind of entity, if Russia didn't first crush all of the Nazi armies and liberate Ukraine, as part of the Russian Motherland. So, yeah. I imagine Russians believe what they want and what they deem to be a priority is more important than what you, or I, or anyone else thinks. If that isn't good enough, well, that's why tanks and flamethrowers exist.

"To the victor go the spoils" is basically "might makes right". If that's your argument, then it seems there is little to criticize the American globalist power-grabbers. They are the victors, so they should get what they want. Whoever wins, it just goes to show.


I don't believe that, though. The U.S. can't always get what it wants even after it invades and is militarily superior - as shown by Vietnam and Afghanistan. Rule by the end of a gun works, but only in the short term. South Korea was once a U.S. imposed military dictatorship, but it has had major democratic reforms. It still has problems, but it's a damn sight better than North Korea.

Overall, this strangely feels like disagreement that I've had with my far-left friends. I know some people who are so opposed to U.S. imperialism that they defend anti-American communist rule like Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and China. I am opposed to U.S. imperialism, but sometimes they are the lesser evil in a conflict.

Greetings!

Well, Jhkim, have you had a chance now to watch all of the videos I posted? I think that the evidence is rock solid in showing that, certainly in regards to the Ukraine War, it is the US and EU that are primarily guilty of corruption, arrogance, and provoking a war in Ukraine, and provoking the Russians. Roll the strategic and diplomatic "Film" back to 2014, and stop the US and EU power-mongering, and there would therefore be no war going on in Ukraine. Ukraine would just be this small nation that is a friendly neighbor-state to Russia. No NATO BS, none of that.

Even if you otherwise subtract such a scenario, if any dispute did develop between Ukraine and Russia--again, it remains small-cale, relatively isolated, and none of our business. Such a conflict could be thus negotiated between themselves, or maybe also add in Poland, Belorussia, and Hungary. Again though, letting THEM handle the situation, whatever the disagreements.

Having said that, though, again, with no US and EU power-mongering going on, there doesn't seem to be a provocation for Russia to invade Ukraine. Yanokovich would still be governing Ukraine, and everyone would be relatively happy or at least more or less content. I would say that scenario would be far superior and preferable to the BS disaster that has befallen Ukraine since then.

Sadly, though, that train has left the station.

The question now is, as we see Russia getting stronger by the week, how do we get out of Ukraine, while simultaneously avoiding some stupid escalation of war with Russia? THAT is what is most important, now. Of course, we have a pack of corrupt hyenas in Washington D.C that are just rubbing their hands together in glee trying to concoct a scheme that manages to escalate a war in Ukraine, somehow bringing the US ever closer to getting directly involved.

That is not an outcome that I want to see. The faster this tragic war is done and over with, the better, for everyone involved. Most especially the Ukrainians, that now have a devastated land and numerous towns and cities that will take YEARS to rebuild. Just imagine how long it will take for Ukraine to get back to the level they were at in January, 2022? Oh, and also, sadly, did you know that 1/4rh of Ukraine's entire population has left Ukraine? Most of those people are not coming back, either. That's gotta be something around 10 to 12 million people. Maybe more, by now. How is Ukraine going to recover from THAT? ONE FOURTH OF THE POPULATION--GONE! That's mind blowing. They have immigrated everywhere from America to Europe, besides the nations immediately bordering Ukraine.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 26, 2023, 08:08:36 AM
@SHARK & Jhkim

hello there.
i took some time to watch the videos, fact check my own posts and talk to people i'm in contact with to get some more perspective. here's what i have to say:

re videos and stuff, i would just repeat what i was already trying to get across before - the first casualty of war is truth (c). apart from a proxy war, there's also an information war on a scale never seen before. all sides are engaged in it, trying their best to play on emotions, prejudices, national pride and all that, only this time they also use all the technological advances of current information age. it's nigh impossible not to get affected, imo. and while i generally agree with a lot of what was said in the videos, they are also all riddled with cold war propaganda cliché's and generally reek of personal bias.

to my dismay, i discovered that i am also guilty of just that. in particular, russian language was never given status as official in Ukraine. the most frustrating part is i can't even remember where i got that particular idea from. over the years after Ukraine went formally independent there was a lot of talk, pitched mostly by representatives of eastern regions about that issue in ukrainian legislative bodies, in hopes of giving russian language either regional or outright second official status - there were, after all, prior to the coup of 2014 and civil war that followed, anywhere from a third to a half (depending on whom you asked) of native russian speakers in ukrainian population. needless to say, all of that went out the window after the coup. but, for the purposes of this discussion, i admit i got carried away in my attempt at fancy talk and made a fool of myself.

i also went to talk to my cousin's side of the family - those who fled their home in Ukraine, i told you about them before. we are not exactly on good terms, sadly - they see me as not "patriotic" enough because i don't really support the war. i tried to explain to them that it's not a war of liberation, but an imperialist conflict, but they just gave me a version of "if you are not with me then you are my enemy" - hardly surprising if one takes into account what they lived through. so it wasn't a pleasant exchange, but here goes:
one day shortly after the coup some people (numbering in dozens) armed with ak rifles and wearing ukrainian ultra-right nationalist regalia turned up in the small town they had a home in and started roaming around behaving like they were the new law. they shot one of my cousin's neighbors dead and some just moved into his house. when my cousin's husband went looking for local police, they discovered there wasn't any, and those police people they were able to reach by phone just told them to run if they valued their lives. so, they did.

that is just one such story. i heard many more, though not from first hand participants so i won't repeat any here. the question is - did US and vassals know what they were unleashing on people of Ukraine? personally, judging by the info that passes reasonable doubt, including prior history, i would say yes, they must have, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to work the situation to orchestrate the coup - they didn't just know, they planned it all and got exactly what they aimed for.

now, trust me, there's no love lost between myself and imperialist fucking camarilla represented by mr.putin, but in this conflict all they were doing was reacting - rather frantically as well. but putin and co were never planning (nor even preparing) for anything like this shit that is happening, let alone be in charge.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 27, 2023, 06:47:28 PM
Greetings!

Excellent commentary, Klava!

The ordeal that your family went through sounds terrible! I'm glad they escaped and found safety!

I'm glad that you enjoyed the videos I posted. I found them to be interesting, and informative. The vast majority of the US media merely screams propaganda, and is extremely anti-Russian. The US media believes that Russians are bloodthirsty, evil Orcs, all led by Darth Vader.

That reminds me, Klava, how do you say ORC in Russian? Are Russian people familiar with what Orcs are, and where they come from in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings books? More grimly, how the West likes to depict Russian people as being Orcs?

The Lord of the Rings films, by Peter Jackson, are fantastic, Klava, and very entertaining and enjoyable. The Lord of the Rings is a wonderful fantasy story.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 28, 2023, 03:07:29 AM
The vast majority of the US media merely screams propaganda, and is extremely anti-Russian. The US media believes that Russians are bloodthirsty, evil Orcs, all led by Darth Vader.
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More grimly, how the West likes to depict Russian people as being Orcs?
well, duh. propaganda 101: "dehumanize your opponent" - the oldest trick in the book, as you no doubt know, and, tbh, it doesn't really bother most of russian people. we are used to those kinds of treatment from the western propaganda machine and wouldn't expect any better. you'd be surprised how many times i have been called names, kicked, banned or ignored online when i'd reveal my ethnicity and/or citizenship. and it was happening long before any of this shit with Ukraine started.

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That reminds me, Klava, how do you say ORC in Russian? Are Russian people familiar with what Orcs are, and where they come from in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings books?
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The Lord of the Rings films, by Peter Jackson, are fantastic, Klava, and very entertaining and enjoyable. The Lord of the Rings is a wonderful fantasy story.
russians say "orc" exactly like you do in english. and yes, Tolkien is very popular in Russia and so are Peter Jackson's movies. excellent stuff :)

edit: typos
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 28, 2023, 08:29:24 AM
As we all know, weaponization of Federal agencies by Democrats has been a real problem since the Obama years, and Biden has made it a lot worse.  I mean, just look at this shit:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irs-matt-taibbi-twitter-files-jim-jordan-daniel-werfel-lina-khan-84ee518

No wonder Biden wanted all that extra money for the IRS....
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 28, 2023, 11:42:19 AM
apart from a proxy war, there's also an information war on a scale never seen before. all sides are engaged in it, trying their best to play on emotions, prejudices, national pride and all that, only this time they also use all the technological advances of current information age. it's nigh impossible not to get affected, imo. and while i generally agree with a lot of what was said in the videos, they are also all riddled with cold war propaganda cliché's and generally reek of personal bias.

to my dismay, i discovered that i am also guilty of just that. in particular, russian language was never given status as official in Ukraine. the most frustrating part is i can't even remember where i got that particular idea from.

Thanks, Klava. I agree that we all fall prey to this. But it's good to be able to admit that we make mistakes, and learn from them. When the Russian invasion started, I had no idea about what had been going on in Donbas for the previous years - and I think I still might not.

i also went to talk to my cousin's side of the family - those who fled their home in Ukraine, i told you about them before. we are not exactly on good terms, sadly - they see me as not "patriotic" enough because i don't really support the war. i tried to explain to them that it's not a war of liberation, but an imperialist conflict, but they just gave me a version of "if you are not with me then you are my enemy" - hardly surprising if one takes into account what they lived through. so it wasn't a pleasant exchange, but here goes:
one day shortly after the coup some people (numbering in dozens) armed with ak rifles and wearing ukrainian ultra-right nationalist regalia turned up in the small town they had a home in and started roaming around behaving like they were the new law. they shot one of my cousin's neighbors dead and some just moved into his house. when my cousin's husband went looking for local police, they discovered there wasn't any, and those police people they were able to reach by phone just told them to run if they valued their lives. so, they did.

that is just one such story. i heard many more, though not from first hand participants so i won't repeat any here. the question is - did US and vassals know what they were unleashing on people of Ukraine?

Sorry to hear about your family, Klava. It sounds similar like what happened to my grandfather and father in Korea. The Americans supported corrupt and abusive government, to the point of police beating my father when he was only 12 for suspicion of aiding his communist uncle. And I know that they did much worse to others, including mass executions of suspected communists, seizing property, and more. Yet in hindsight, I still think that they were the lesser evil compared to the North Korean government.

In the case of Ukraine, I don't know. I believe your family's story - but I also have read accounts of what happened under Yanukovych by the Berkut and others, where ethnic Ukrainians were suppressed and arrested, like this:

https://24tv.ua/pobitogo_berkutom_susida_yanukovicha_zrobili_vinnim_i_oshtrafuvali_n399715

At this point, I don't know for sure who was the lesser evil. I had thought that the post-2014 government was at least no worse than the previous government. Ethnic Ukrainians are the majority of the country, and it seemed like the post-2014 government better represented the majority. But I know majority rule can be tyrannical and abusive to the minority.

now, trust me, there's no love lost between myself and imperialist fucking camarilla represented by mr.putin, but in this conflict all they were doing was reacting - rather frantically as well. but putin and co were never planning (nor even preparing) for anything like this shit that is happening, let alone be in charge.

I think both Putin and the West would have preferred to have peace with an allied government in charge of Ukraine. My issue is with how much violence they were willing to raise to get what they wanted. It had seemed to me that the West's intervention in 2014 was less violent and damaging to the Ukrainian people as a whole, compared to Russia's intervention. Still, I would like to learn more about it. I will talk more with my Russian immigrant friend about it. Actually, we're co-chairs of adult education committee at my church, so I'll suggest if she might help organize a class for people to learn more about Ukraine.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 29, 2023, 03:45:14 AM
What.
The.
Fuck.

Context: While at an unrelated event, but notified of the school shooting in Nashville, Joe Biden goes into the event knowing he's going to address the topic, but starts out with dumb jokes about how he likes ice cream.



This is our President. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 29, 2023, 03:55:38 AM
apart from a proxy war, there's also an information war on a scale never seen before. all sides are engaged in it, trying their best to play on emotions, prejudices, national pride and all that, only this time they also use all the technological advances of current information age. it's nigh impossible not to get affected, imo. and while i generally agree with a lot of what was said in the videos, they are also all riddled with cold war propaganda cliché's and generally reek of personal bias.

to my dismay, i discovered that i am also guilty of just that. in particular, russian language was never given status as official in Ukraine. the most frustrating part is i can't even remember where i got that particular idea from.

I agree that we all fall prey to this.

aaaand then you posted a link to 24tv.ua for me. come on, man, it's like i'd quote CNN or RT, ffs.

/facepalm
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on March 29, 2023, 08:06:50 AM
What.
The.
Fuck.

Context: While at an unrelated event, but notified of the school shooting in Nashville, Joe Biden goes into the event knowing he's going to address the topic, but starts out with dumb jokes about how he likes ice cream.


He asked the kids there to stand up, too -- probably so the old pedo could check them out and imagine them rubbing his leg hairs.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2023, 09:14:39 AM
I was a bit dumbfounded at that myself. I grant that Biden was never the sharpest tool in the shed, and that Democrats are notorious blood-dancers. But holy shit. Did they forget to program Joe for 'mournful somber demeanor' before he went out there?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on March 29, 2023, 12:10:32 PM
apart from a proxy war, there's also an information war on a scale never seen before. all sides are engaged in it, trying their best to play on emotions, prejudices, national pride and all that, only this time they also use all the technological advances of current information age. it's nigh impossible not to get affected, imo. and while i generally agree with a lot of what was said in the videos, they are also all riddled with cold war propaganda cliché's and generally reek of personal bias.

to my dismay, i discovered that i am also guilty of just that. in particular, russian language was never given status as official in Ukraine. the most frustrating part is i can't even remember where i got that particular idea from.

I agree that we all fall prey to this.

aaaand then you posted a link to 24tv.ua for me. come on, man, it's like i'd quote CNN or RT, ffs.

/facepalm

OK, thanks for the information there. Genuinely, I didn't know that reputation, and I'm sorry I chose that as an example. The thing is, at this point, I don't know where I would go for accurate information about the Berkut. I know that they are portrayed in a bunch of Western media as being an abusive secret police force, and that the new government demanded they be shut down.

I don't want to dismiss that, but I also don't want to take the word of RT that they were just unfairly accused.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 29, 2023, 12:51:09 PM
The vast majority of the US media merely screams propaganda, and is extremely anti-Russian. The US media believes that Russians are bloodthirsty, evil Orcs, all led by Darth Vader.
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More grimly, how the West likes to depict Russian people as being Orcs?
well, duh. propaganda 101: "dehumanize your opponent" - the oldest trick in the book, as you no doubt know, and, tbh, it doesn't really bother most of russian people. we are used to those kinds of treatment from the western propaganda machine and wouldn't expect any better. you'd be surprised how many times i have been called names, kicked, banned or ignored online when i'd reveal my ethnicity and/or citizenship. and it was happening long before any of this shit with Ukraine started.

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That reminds me, Klava, how do you say ORC in Russian? Are Russian people familiar with what Orcs are, and where they come from in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings books?
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The Lord of the Rings films, by Peter Jackson, are fantastic, Klava, and very entertaining and enjoyable. The Lord of the Rings is a wonderful fantasy story.
russians say "orc" exactly like you do in english. and yes, Tolkien is very popular in Russia and so are Peter Jackson's movies. excellent stuff :)

edit: typos

Greetings!

Excellent, Klava! That's awesome that Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings is so very popular in Russia! I would love to watch Lord of the Rings dubbed in Russian. I thin that would be cool!

I understand your experiences in the onine world. That is terrible, my friend! Fuck the haters!

Klava, have you seen the movie, GLADIATOR? It has Russel Crowe starring in it. That is another excellent film!

I also hate all of the anti-Russian propaganda. Most of the Western news outlets lie about Russia all the time. Everything is all about how noble and great Ukraine is, and then how evil and incompetent and terrible Russia is.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 29, 2023, 01:03:34 PM
As we all know, weaponization of Federal agencies by Democrats has been a real problem since the Obama years, and Biden has made it a lot worse.  I mean, just look at this shit:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irs-matt-taibbi-twitter-files-jim-jordan-daniel-werfel-lina-khan-84ee518

No wonder Biden wanted all that extra money for the IRS....

Greetings!

Yes, that's right, I. It is so disgusting how deeply corrupt our federal government has become. Biden, geesus. So corrupt! The Biden administration is such a shameful, incompetent, and corrupt disgrace. It is mind boggling, on every eve, and on every topic. And yet, the Liberal Democrats love it . They love the incompetence, the corruption, and the shame. They think Biden is doing great!

It just shows me how insane and immoral Liberals are. Deep down, they are filthy, disgusting animals. They like wallowing in the sewer. They love everything that is disgusting and corrupt. Hopefully, more Americans will wake up to the truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 29, 2023, 01:11:58 PM
I was a bit dumbfounded at that myself. I grant that Biden was never the sharpest tool in the shed, and that Democrats are notorious blood-dancers. But holy shit. Did they forget to program Joe for 'mournful somber demeanor' before he went out there?

Greetings!

Yeah, Ghostmaker! *Laughing* Biden's response is so out-of-touch and inappropriate, it's actually transparently funny how Biden's handlers forgot to put in the "Somber Tape". His programing was way off. Crystal clear evidence that Biden is a sad, demented husk being entirely supervised and programed by handlers.

But, part of me also thinks, good! RAM IT DOWN. This is what America deserves. America deserves all the corruption and degradation and stupidity--for even considering supporting a moron like Biden for president. All the moron Liberals, gleefully laughing. While America chokes, staggers, and dies. This is all from the Liberals.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 30, 2023, 04:02:47 AM
OK, thanks for the information there. Genuinely, I didn't know that reputation, and I'm sorry I chose that as an example. The thing is, at this point, I don't know where I would go for accurate information about the Berkut. I know that they are portrayed in a bunch of Western media as being an abusive secret police force, and that the new government demanded they be shut down.

I don't want to dismiss that, but I also don't want to take the word of RT that they were just unfairly accused.

don't be sorry. it is, as i said, a full information war out there. you don't even read ukrainian (or russian), i presume? then how the fuck would you even examine that shit?
there's no way for you to tell, really, unless you talk to actual people you actually know, and even then you are still getting second hand info. and journalism is, basically, dead - all you are getting in the media is western propaganda on top of urkainian propaganda on top of god knows what else. it's like those videos SHARK posted - each one i watched was a mix of quotes from captain obvious, political agenda and personal prejudice.

one thing you can be sure of though, imo - it's a capitalist world, which means international relations will always be an imperialist clusterfuck. there will always be a biden and a putin to ignite another conflict and yours or mine personal human notions of what is just and good don't mean squat to them. you want to change that? - well, i hate break it to you, but you'll have to start at home. french and israelis have been doing a good job lately, imo.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on March 31, 2023, 04:42:01 AM
I would love to watch Lord of the Rings dubbed in Russian.

no you wouldn't. i've no idea where they get people to do translations and voice acting from here, but you are a lot better with the original, trust me :P i'm very happy to have grasp of english language enough to be able to watch western movies as they were done originally and not to have to listen to that "localized" crap.

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Klava, have you seen the movie, GLADIATOR? It has Russel Crowe starring in it. That is another excellent film!

you know, western cinema is kinda the world cinema at this point. so, even though we - the russians - are kinda living on the fringes of the civilized world, we are still served the same stuff for movies here. or were, before this insanity in ukraine started.
so, you may safely assume that i did watch most of the movies you did, especially the more successful ones, like Gladiator. as to my personal opinion on it - it was okay, but not really my kinda thing.

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I also hate all of the anti-Russian propaganda. Most of the Western news outlets lie about Russia all the time. Everything is all about how noble and great Ukraine is, and then how evil and incompetent and terrible Russia is.

Russia is just another capitalist state among the rest of them. corruption, incompetence and all the kinds of crap you have to deal with in United States are present here in abundance. but the thing people seem to somehow miss is Ukraine is exactly the same, only while after the collapse of Soviet Union Russia's been peripheral to western capitalism, Ukraine has been peripheral to Russian. and now, when spheres of influence are being shifted, and they are looking to remove Ukraine from Russian orbit and put it into western, of course they are going to tell you how Ukraine is all lubed up and ready to be had from behind wonderful, democratic and have great appreciation for what they call "western values", while Russia is a horrible imperialist monster who'd just suck Ukraine and its people dry. as if United States and vassals would not.
the worst part is it does look like they are actually preparing us for all out war. those attempts at de-humanizing russian people you mentioned? "orcs"? - you know the deal. and it is all reciprocated on putin and co's side. looks really scary to me.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 31, 2023, 05:39:45 AM
What.
The.
Fuck.

Context: While at an unrelated event, but notified of the school shooting in Nashville, Joe Biden goes into the event knowing he's going to address the topic, but starts out with dumb jokes about how he likes ice cream.



This is our President. Jesus wept.

   That was a literal attack of the representation of satanism attacking christian kids.  I do hope the christians get a full and complete understanding the left has one goal for their future.  They will either be corrupted to accept the new ways or they are going to get erased.  They need to understand there is a third option that they had better get to exercising.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 31, 2023, 09:25:57 AM
So the Dem attack dogs of New York managed to talk fast enough to get a grand jury indictment on Trump.

Over supposedly paying off a porn star despite:

She's stated in writing she didn't sleep with him.
The stool pigeon in question being an adjudicated perjurer.
Written and verbal testimony that Trump was not involved.
The charge somehow becoming a felony despite being a misdemeanor and well past the statute of limitations.

Alvin Bragg can't be arsed to prosecute violent criminals in NY, but a mean ol' orange man who annoys his masters? GETTUM!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 31, 2023, 09:48:44 AM
So the Dem attack dogs of New York managed to talk fast enough to get a grand jury indictment on Trump.

Over supposedly paying off a porn star despite:

She's stated in writing she didn't sleep with him.
The stool pigeon in question being an adjudicated perjurer.
Written and verbal testimony that Trump was not involved.
The charge somehow becoming a felony despite being a misdemeanor and well past the statute of limitations.

Alvin Bragg can't be arsed to prosecute violent criminals in NY, but a mean ol' orange man who annoys his masters? GETTUM!

Surely this time Trump will finally hang for his crimes!



Trump is an oaf, but goddamn, his enemies are incompetent buffoons. I hope he wins so the Dems can give us another four years of shadenfreude.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: rgalex on March 31, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
According to CNN (yeah, I know), they spoke to “two sources familiar with the case”.  They claim that the indictment includes more than 30 counts related to business fraud.  We'll see when/if it gets unsealed.

DeSantis has now said that FL will not aid with any extradition request.  I guess that's the best we can reasonably expect from him.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 31, 2023, 10:02:23 AM
According to CNN (yeah, I know), they spoke to “two sources familiar with the case”.  They claim that the indictment includes more than 30 counts related to business fraud.  We'll see when/if it gets unsealed.

DeSantis has now said that FL will not aid with any extradition request.  I guess that's the best we can reasonably expect from him.
Bragg sealed the indictment as soon as the ink was dry.

I honestly wonder if all they're looking for is the arrest/perp walk, and they don't expect to actually be able to convict. The testimony of Costello alone is hugely exculpatory, let alone Daniels's written statement.

For all of Ron's flaws, he'd have to be rock stupid to cooperate with this kind of witch hunt. Bowing to the demands of NY would doom him both from a federal and state level.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 01, 2023, 04:13:27 PM


Democrats make Trump look great.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 01, 2023, 06:47:24 PM
Greetings!

I think it will be absolutely fantastic when Trump wins in 2024, and the god-emperor returns to power.

The mass Libtard hysteria will be pure joy to witness. All of the sobbing and crying, all of the reeeing! Hopefully, many of the Libtard morons will be so emotionally devastated that they will embrace their own mass self-deletion.

Hopefully, when the god-emperor returns, he will remember all of the Libtard scum and traitors, all of the corruption and lying and scheming--and deal with all of them ruthlessly.
 
Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 02, 2023, 01:54:20 PM
According to CNN (yeah, I know), they spoke to “two sources familiar with the case”.  They claim that the indictment includes more than 30 counts related to business fraud.  We'll see when/if it gets unsealed.

DeSantis has now said that FL will not aid with any extradition request.  I guess that's the best we can reasonably expect from him.
Bragg sealed the indictment as soon as the ink was dry.

I honestly wonder if all they're looking for is the arrest/perp walk, and they don't expect to actually be able to convict. The testimony of Costello alone is hugely exculpatory, let alone Daniels's written statement.

For all of Ron's flaws, he'd have to be rock stupid to cooperate with this kind of witch hunt. Bowing to the demands of NY would doom him both from a federal and state level.

IIRC there's a rule about not being able to run if indicted, or at least they tried to pass it.

If it exists then they only need to delay ANY actual trial until he can't run.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on April 02, 2023, 01:55:13 PM


Democrats make Trump look great.

LOL, and Dore is a fecking commie!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Doctor Jest on April 04, 2023, 11:41:58 PM

LOL, and Dore is a fecking commie!

Jimmy Dore is very based for a Lefty.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on April 05, 2023, 11:35:44 AM
For all of Ron's flaws, he'd have to be rock stupid to cooperate with this kind of witch hunt. Bowing to the demands of NY would doom him both from a federal and state level.

IIRC there's a rule about not being able to run if indicted, or at least they tried to pass it.

If it exists then they only need to delay ANY actual trial until he can't run.

Thankfully, there is no such rule, and it would take a constitutional change to add one. Someone could in theory win the presidency even if they were currently in prison, though no such candidate has won. Eugene Debs ran for president in 1920 while in prison for anti-war activism, and got 3.4% of the vote. Lyndon LaRouche ran from prison in 1992, and while he got less than 0.1% of the vote, he was at least on the ballot in 17 states.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 05, 2023, 04:40:29 PM
Quote from: CNN
Trump was warned not to make comments that could 'jeopardize the rule of law' or create civil unrest, but he did criticize the judge and DA last night
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me. i mean, granted, i'm a foreigner from the land far far away looking from outside in, but are they fucking blind? those holding CNN's leash jeopardize legitimacy of their own rule by turning the law into a political weapon, but it's the orange man who's rocking the boat, despite being "warned" not to?
/facepam
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 05, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 06, 2023, 04:05:17 AM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs. surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 06, 2023, 05:27:17 AM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs.

Are they? Their consensus seems to be, Trump is an existental threat, and must be destroyed by any means possible.

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surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?

Trump represents a threat to their power base. One of Trump's talking points is "They're not coming after me, they're coming after you. I'm just standing in their way.". Now, that's kind of grandiose and self-serving, but I think the kernal of truth in there is that the Democrat party believed they had a lock on politics in the US. Trump's election in 2016 threw them for a loop. Now, they must retaliate and teach the other 50ish percent of America to never get out of line again.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 06, 2023, 07:27:12 AM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs.

Are they? Their consensus seems to be, Trump is an existental threat, and must be destroyed by any means possible.

i'm not talking about the consensus among those who set CNN and the likes on Trump. i'm talking of the consensus within the society of united states. power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, and with these Trump escapades it sure as hell looks to me like that belief (and, eventually, consent) is going to be undermined.

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surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?

Trump represents a threat to their power base.

does he? from where i stand (and, as i said, i'm looking from really far away - that's why i'm asking), Trump looks just like another talking head representing a faction within the ruling elite. he is a head that talks a lot of smack, i'll give you that, but apart from that what's special about him again? i keep hearing that he's not embedded within the "swamp", but why, if that's the case, he's being put up for election by GOP - which is a part of that swamp - again?
to me it looks like Trump is more a feature of the tumultuous times that he happens to be operating in than anything pertaining to his personal qualities, tbh. say, we replaced Trump with George Dubhia Bush - what would change?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 06, 2023, 08:37:00 AM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs.

Are they? Their consensus seems to be, Trump is an existental threat, and must be destroyed by any means possible.

i'm not talking about the consensus among those who set CNN and the likes on Trump. i'm talking of the consensus within the society of united states. power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, and with these Trump escapades it sure as hell looks to me like that belief (and, eventually, consent) is going to be undermined.

That was always a shallow view of American politics. In practice, we elect government officials and representatives from candidates provided by the two major parties. Trump managed an end-run around this process, and pissed off a lot of people.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

Arguably, that veneer of legitimacy, that the power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, has already been smashed. I think it has.

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surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?

Trump represents a threat to their power base.

does he? from where i stand (and, as i said, i'm looking from really far away - that's why i'm asking), Trump looks just like another talking head representing a faction within the ruling elite. he is a head that talks a lot of smack, i'll give you that, but apart from that what's special about him again? i keep hearing that he's not embedded within the "swamp", but why, if that's the case, he's being put up for election by GOP - which is a part of that swamp - again?
to me it looks like Trump is more a feature of the tumultuous times that he happens to be operating in than anything pertaining to his personal qualities, tbh. say, we replaced Trump with George Dubhia Bush - what would change?

Trump hasn't been put up for election by the GOP yet. The two parties have primaries to decide which candidate gets to run for President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries

He's participating as a Republican* because the two-party system has a lock on who realistically has a chance to become president. In theory, an independant could run and win. In practice, this hasn't happened since 1853, 170 years ago.

*And yes, a lot of Republicans opposed this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Trump_movement
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 06, 2023, 09:16:02 AM
are they for real? somebody explain this shit to me.
The rule of law means one rule for them and another for everyone else, anything else is simply unacceptable.
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs. surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?
They don't care. As ratman and others have noted, they are interested in power, not legitimacy. After all, the precedent can't be used on them if there's no one who can wield it.

Yes, it's a short-sighted and foolish view, but that's how the Beltway rolls. The Uniparty hates competition, and Trump personifies a challenge to them that cannot be endured.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Zelen on April 06, 2023, 09:42:59 PM
but... they are undermining the very principles on which their whole social consensus stands ffs. surely they cannot be that short sighted, can they? they are opening a door they won't be able to ever close again, and for what? to shut down one orange talking head?

Covid demonstrates the "social consensus" is whatever is on TV/Google/YouTube. If you censor all opposing viewpoints, most people will assume that no other perspectives exist.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 07, 2023, 04:42:42 AM
i'm not talking about the consensus among those who set CNN and the likes on Trump. i'm talking of the consensus within the society of united states. power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, and with these Trump escapades it sure as hell looks to me like that belief (and, eventually, consent) is going to be undermined.

In practice, we elect government officials and representatives from candidates provided by the two major parties.

oh, i do get that^. if fact, that's part of what i'm asking about, because, given that two-party circle jerk, these next parts

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Trump managed an end-run around this process, and pissed off a lot of people.
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Trump represents a threat to their power base.

look really unlikely, imo. how exactly does one "run around" that shit all the way to the oval office and not get embedded into the swamp in the process? all the palms he had to grease and backs he had to scratch - surely they own him at this point, don't they?

Arguably, that veneer of legitimacy, that the power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, has already been smashed. I think it has.
They don't care. As ratman and others have noted, they are interested in power, not legitimacy. After all, the precedent can't be used on them if there's no one who can wield it.

Yes, it's a short-sighted and foolish view, but that's how the Beltway rolls.
If you censor all opposing viewpoints, most people will assume that no other perspectives exist.

but the thing is, for now long are they going to be able to peddle that snake oil before they find themselves hanging from the nearest aspen tree? i mean, their bullshit is obvious even to this russkie here posting from the other side of the globe ffs. they are already "warning" Trump not to say anything that could "incite unrest", so they must suspect something, no?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 07, 2023, 05:30:34 AM
  That sort of prosecution, the trannie nonsense, the general embracing of outright degenerates....the USA is headed for a big stumble/fall and its society is pretty much in a steep state of decline.   Best to split the empire up and let the different people go their own way, because I am less and less convinced every day I can share a nation/vision with psychos.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 07, 2023, 05:40:53 AM
i'm not talking about the consensus among those who set CNN and the likes on Trump. i'm talking of the consensus within the society of united states. power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, and with these Trump escapades it sure as hell looks to me like that belief (and, eventually, consent) is going to be undermined.

In practice, we elect government officials and representatives from candidates provided by the two major parties.

oh, i do get that^. if fact, that's part of what i'm asking about, because, given that two-party circle jerk, these next parts

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Trump managed an end-run around this process, and pissed off a lot of people.
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Trump represents a threat to their power base.

look really unlikely, imo. how exactly does one "run around" that shit all the way to the oval office and not get embedded into the swamp in the process? all the palms he had to grease and backs he had to scratch - surely they own him at this point, don't they?

Dunno. At this point? Maybe. But in 2016, he was an outsider and IMO he got in primarily because no one believed seriously that he could do it.

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Arguably, that veneer of legitimacy, that the power resides where people believe it should and consent it would, has already been smashed. I think it has.
They don't care. As ratman and others have noted, they are interested in power, not legitimacy. After all, the precedent can't be used on them if there's no one who can wield it.

Yes, it's a short-sighted and foolish view, but that's how the Beltway rolls.
If you censor all opposing viewpoints, most people will assume that no other perspectives exist.

but the thing is, for now long are they going to be able to peddle that snake oil before they find themselves hanging from the nearest aspen tree? i mean, their bullshit is obvious even to this russkie here posting from the other side of the globe ffs. they are already "warning" Trump not to say anything that could "incite unrest", so they must suspect something, no?

Americans are, in general, too fat, prosperous, and complacent to do anything serious about it.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 07, 2023, 05:53:05 AM
@here: thanks for your replies.
i hope a way is found out of this. i've already lived through the collapse of one empire, i'd rather not see another - that everybody in the world is dependent on - fall in my time.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 07, 2023, 04:12:37 PM
Greetings!

Well, of course the Democratic Party opposes President Trump. Probably 50% of the corrupt Republican Party oppose Trump as well.

Despite the constant hatred for Trump by the corrupt elites in America--the fact is, 80 MILLION Americans support Trump, and there is also more than a few uber wealthy elites that refuse to go along with the other elites, so they support Trump as well. Plus, the fact that Trump himself is a billionaire, and has no need for money. These facts make Trump very powerful.

Then, you have an acceleration effect. Every fake scandal, every propaganda-driven smear campaign aimed against Trump has this curious effect.

Trump supporters don't get discouraged, but instead become more passionate, and more determined in their support. Then, there are some on the fence people, or even some that oppose Trump, that somehow become inspired by three things--Trump's continued defiance; so many of the corrupt propaganda against Trump is shown to be entirely fake and corrupt; and the fierce loyalty of Trump supporters. Thus, *new* people become supporters of Trump. Every attack, every propaganda campaign, Trump *gains more supporters*

There is the record of policies that President Trump promoted that were aimed at crushing, or otherwise limiting the power of the elites--whether those elites call themselves Democrats or Republicans. President Trump also supported America First--and had no interest in getting America involved in stupid wars that are not genuine strategic interests for America. This attitude was a big bite against the Military-Industrial Complex--all of the politicians and military corporate people. Trump is against the huge Teacher's Union, so that makes all of the Liberal teachers and the education bureaucrats hate Trump. Trump is against many government agencies and bureaucracies--cutting their budgets, firing numerous staff, and otherwise limiting or restricting their authority and power. Trump doesn't believe in "Global Climate Hysteria" and he refuses to support the Green Environment grifters, so there is a bunch of Liberal people in the fake Green Environment industry and movement that hate Trump as well. And also, the fact that Trump places American jobs, and prosperity as being higher priorities than any environment nonsense--Trump also likes promoting American economic and industrial independence and dominance, instead of bowing down to globalist councils and groups.

These reasons, and more, are why President Trump is so popular, and why his popularity and strength only increases, day by day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 07, 2023, 06:52:07 PM
Greetings!

Here is a fantastic video featuring President Ronald Reagan, speaking briefly about our struggle against Communism.

It is ironic that the threat facing America is not from Russia, and to a lesser extent, Communist China, but the greatest threat of Marxists comes from *within*. People right here, in America, everywhere, are seeking to build and impose Marxism.

In the video, you can see US Marines going into combat, or doing field exercises. That brings back memories for me. The scene of Marines in dress blues uniform, performing precision drill--yeah, I remember that stuff as well. I remember attending special classes, not in college, but through the Marine Corps, where the instructors were senior NCO's or Intelligence Officers. We studied films of the Russians. The Red Army. Studying their tanks, their artillery, their infantry, their war doctrines and tactics. Everything. Russian weapons, training methods, always preparing and thinking about when the day comes that we would get the call, and be sent into action. It was always explained to us that the Russian Red Army were absolutely ruthless and dangerous, and the Russians trained harder and often more brutally than we typically do here, in America. The average Russian soldier is taller, stronger, and more ruthless than the average American soldier. The Russians are trained from youth in weapons training, and are accustomed to struggle and hardship. America is soft, weak, fat, and lazy. That's why as US Marines, we have to train extra hard, and be extra fanatical, because the Russians have powerful advantages against us. However, we, the Marines, can resist, and fight them. We can win, even if the victory will likely be savage, bloody, and horrible in cost.

I remember wondering the first time I rappelled out of a helicopter down onto the rooftop of a tall building, and then hurling myself through a balcony window, guns up!--wondering if landing like this in some city in Russia what it would be like. I joked with my buddies that some hot Russian sniper girl would be trying to fucking kill us from long range with a sniper rifle. Finally resting after the smoke had cleared, and waiting for the helicopter to pick us up after we had secured the area, we were smoking cigarettes, and they all laughed, gibbering about how awesome it would be for us to get a hold of some Russian weapons! The AK's, the sniper rifles, all the different goodies they have.

Such a very different world back then, I can assure you. It is a bitter-tasting flavour to realize that the true enemy is right here, in America. It is mind-boggling. The ongoing struggles in America are more and more focused on this huge fight, between Marxists, and between true American patriots that refuse to bow down to Marxism. We can see this huge fight and struggle in every part of American society--politically, in schools, in the media, in entertainment, at normal businesses and work sites, and even in the public square, in street fights and riots.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDVT-8tUfiE
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 07, 2023, 08:13:52 PM
I think the best argument I have head for Trump is paraphrased as, it's not that I like Trump, but if the people that are mad at him are loosing their minds, he must be doing something right.

As for the treat facing America, its odd seeing the States decay and degenerate to their own corruptive influences. Makes me feel the Soviets were right to try keeping much of the filthy Western influence out. It was probably easier to deal with the local loonies too, when you could simply suggest that when they like the other system so much they can piss off and go over there instead of screwing up over here.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 08, 2023, 05:43:00 AM
@here: thanks for your replies.
i hope a way is found out of this. i've already lived through the collapse of one empire, i'd rather not see another - that everybody in the world is dependent on - fall in my time.

As always, keep in mind these replies (mine included) are personal observations. We all color our responses with our opinions.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 11, 2023, 02:41:48 AM
Greetings!

Colonel MacGreggor is interviewed about the situation in Ukraine, and how Russia is advancing and capturing more of Bakhmut, and the Ukrainians are suffering enormous casualties--far more than what we in the West are being led to believe by our dishonest MSM. Also, some other fronts and relationships, and a harsh analysis of U.S. Foreign Policy in regards to Russia, China, and more. Discussion also of the Philippines, as well as North and South Korea.

Very interesting analysis and discussion!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 11, 2023, 03:43:31 AM
Greetings!

Very interesting discussion and analysis of Western Journalism, US Diplomacy, and various economic and diplomatic dynamics involved with Ukraine, Russia, NATO, and the EU.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 14, 2023, 03:11:49 AM
Greetings!

Jack Richland, host of the Black Scout Survival program, discusses briefly here the leaked US Intelligence documents that reveal that--

(1) Ukraine has suffered far more severe casualties than we have admitted. The US has been LYING about Ukraine.

(2) The US and NATO has LIED about any direct involvement. There are at least 64 Special Forces troops in Ukraine--and as Jack mentions, probably far more than that. US Special Forces, as well as British SAS. There are also US CIA agents and officers operating in Ukraine. MORE LIES from the US and the West.

(3) President Trump indirectly admits that the US is responsible for the destruction of the Nordstream Pipeline. That is an act of war, against both our ally Germany--and against Russia. The US has, of course, LIED about this event as well.

Jack suggests that the US may not have necessarily blew up the Nordstream Pipeline ourselves--but instead hired elite private-contracted mercenaries to do it for us, so that we could try and keep our fingerprints off of the evidence. This is a conclusion from what he has heard from his sources. Jack Richland is an experienced US Marine veteran, serving multiple tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, and served in Marine Special Forces as an instructor and elite sniper.

Oh, and also about the intelligence documents, and the recent arrest of a 21-year old US Air National Guard soldier, as being the person responsible. This guy is an E-3. Air National Guard? This is all a US government set-up. This kid is a scapegoat. There is no way someone like him would ever get access to such high level intelligence documents. NO WAY. And if he did, everyone in his command needs to be fired and court martialed. Just yet another example of how hopelessly corrupt and incompetent and stupid this entire US government has become under fucking Biden. Biden is a corrupt fucking clown, and whoever has their hand up his ass pulling the strings like he is some fucking puppet, is really the figure-head for a Marxist, corrupt, fucking JUNTA. We have become a fucking Banana Republic.

So disgusting and shameful. Hopefully we can somehow avoid getting into a full-scale war against Russia. Just hopefully, we can survive long enough to the 2024 elections and get these fucking Marxist scumbags and corrupt morons out of the White House.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 14, 2023, 03:40:08 AM
Just hopefully, we can survive long enough to the 2024 elections and get these fucking Marxist scumbags and corrupt morons out of the White House.

How do you expect to get election stealing scumbags out of the White House? Vote them out when they were not "voted" in?

As for the source of the documents, I can believe that the powers that be are incompetent enough to let them fall into such low level hands, and that no one responsible for said screw up will ever be so much as reprimanded.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 14, 2023, 04:37:56 AM
Just hopefully, we can survive long enough to the 2024 elections and get these fucking Marxist scumbags and corrupt morons out of the White House.

How do you expect to get election stealing scumbags out of the White House? Vote them out when they were not "voted" in?

As for the source of the documents, I can believe that the powers that be are incompetent enough to let them fall into such low level hands, and that no one responsible for said screw up will ever be so much as reprimanded.

Greetings!

Yeah, Wisithir! I can't argue against your points--I agree entirely.

I only hold out a slim hope like a broken clock is right twice a day that maybe something good can happen in the 2024 elections. But yeah, I know. I've told friends of mine, if the Junta would fix things in the last election, why stop? If the last election can be fixed, why not fix them all? It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. The media, the alphabet agencies, the Libtards, 50% of the fucking GOP is all more or less working to ensure that their own globalist, Marxist puppet gets installed in the Junta. Not much of a chance for a legitimate and genuine patriot to get elected. Sad, and tragic.

This is why the Thunder needs to roll for this country to be cleansed. The Leftards keep pushing, pushing, pushing, corrupting everything, and shoving more tyranny down everyone's throat. So, eventually, people just need to say fuck it and let the beast out. So sad, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 14, 2023, 08:46:10 AM
  When American Values have morphed to be Diversity Equity and Inclusion that looks more like welcoming and promoting any sort of hell born degeneracy one could imagine and the US government is openly hostile to anyone who held any of the "old" values.......it might be time for blood to flow.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on April 14, 2023, 09:31:52 PM
Cascade O'Failure
Dublin, April 12, 2023

Quote
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s your question?
 
CHILD:  What’s the top step to success?
 
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s the top what?
 
CHILD:  Step — steps — step to success.
 
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s the top step to succ- — to success?
 
CHILD:  Yes.
 
THE PRESIDENT:  Oh, well, making sure that we don’t all have COVID.  What — why — what are we talking about here?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 14, 2023, 11:54:23 PM
Cascade O'Failure
Dublin, April 12, 2023

Quote
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s your question?
 
CHILD:  What’s the top step to success?
 
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s the top what?
 
CHILD:  Step — steps — step to success.
 
THE PRESIDENT:  What’s the top step to succ- — to success?
 
CHILD:  Yes.
 
THE PRESIDENT:  Oh, well, making sure that we don’t all have COVID.  What — why — what are we talking about here?

I guess it's a testament to how robust America is, that we're 3 years into a completely brain dead presidency and the country hasn't completely collapsed yet.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 16, 2023, 06:20:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xGAcPAv-h4c

uwotnow?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on April 16, 2023, 09:55:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xGAcPAv-h4c

uwotnow?

There are trusted inter-locketers.
Not a joke, not a joke.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 17, 2023, 08:58:17 PM
Quote
This is why the Thunder needs to roll for this country to be cleansed. The Leftards keep pushing, pushing, pushing, corrupting everything, and shoving more tyranny down everyone's throat. So, eventually, people just need to say fuck it and let the beast out. So sad, my friend.

Seriously, Shark. Seek help. Your delusional sense of persecution is getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 17, 2023, 10:04:58 PM
Quote
This is why the Thunder needs to roll for this country to be cleansed. The Leftards keep pushing, pushing, pushing, corrupting everything, and shoving more tyranny down everyone's throat. So, eventually, people just need to say fuck it and let the beast out. So sad, my friend.

Seriously, Shark. Seek help. Your delusional sense of persecution is getting out of hand.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

But I'm delusional? Ok, GamerSince77. Good luck with your happy delusions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 17, 2023, 10:24:40 PM
Both perceptions can be simultaneously true. I don't think impression we get from the noise we are drowned in is as bad is at looks, but the deeper underlying issues are much worse than they appear.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Daztur on April 17, 2023, 11:35:28 PM
Quote
This is why the Thunder needs to roll for this country to be cleansed. The Leftards keep pushing, pushing, pushing, corrupting everything, and shoving more tyranny down everyone's throat. So, eventually, people just need to say fuck it and let the beast out. So sad, my friend.

Seriously, Shark. Seek help. Your delusional sense of persecution is getting out of hand.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

But I'm delusional? Ok, GamerSince77. Good luck with your happy delusions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

There's a whole cottage industry of sifting through a whole bunch of social media to try to pick out the nuttiest stuff and then share it around as rage bait. In the old days it was mostly "OMG a back bench state rep said a crazy thing!" on the left and "OMG a non tenured professor at a podunk school said a crazy thing!" on the right. But these days with so much stuff on social media it's easy to go through a pile of them, cherry pick out the nuttiest ones and share it around for everyone to get angry at.

But since the plural of anecdote is not data basing any kind of view of the world on these nutpicked bits of social media feeds is dumb, just like basing your view of the modern right on Sharkie's dementing ramblings would be silly since he's not representative of anything larger than the echoing interior of his own skull.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 17, 2023, 11:51:12 PM
Quote
This is why the Thunder needs to roll for this country to be cleansed. The Leftards keep pushing, pushing, pushing, corrupting everything, and shoving more tyranny down everyone's throat. So, eventually, people just need to say fuck it and let the beast out. So sad, my friend.

Seriously, Shark. Seek help. Your delusional sense of persecution is getting out of hand.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

But I'm delusional? Ok, GamerSince77. Good luck with your happy delusions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

There's a whole cottage industry of sifting through a whole bunch of social media to try to pick out the nuttiest stuff and then share it around as rage bait. In the old days it was mostly "OMG a back bench state rep said a crazy thing!" on the left and "OMG a non tenured professor at a podunk school said a crazy thing!" on the right. But these days with so much stuff on social media it's easy to go through a pile of them, cherry pick out the nuttiest ones and share it around for everyone to get angry at.

But since the plural of anecdote is not data basing any kind of view of the world on these nutpicked bits of social media feeds is dumb, just like basing your view of the modern right on Sharkie's dementing ramblings would be silly since he's not representative of anything larger than the echoing interior of his own skull.

Greetings!

Nice try, but no. There are many examples of Libtard government policies, Libtard corporate policies, academic policies in schools--as well as hundreds of live videos of criminal thugs, mindless homeless zombies, BLM terrorists, and ANTIFA animals all doing their part to corrupt and destroy this country.

I'm not delusional at all. All of the fucking Communists and Libtard scum are the threat to the country, and mushy, brain-dead "Normies" sitting on the fence blubbering about "What's going on? Oh, calm down. It isn't so bad."

All the stupid cucked sheep giggling smugly--until the wolves come and devour them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 12:11:16 AM
Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

You acknowledge that that your newsfeed selectively feeds you rage-bait. You make wild accusations about “Marxist indoctrination” and social corruption with zero evidence. You are not an oppressed minority. Ask yourself why you choose to keep threatening violence against your imaginary oppressors. Be better.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 18, 2023, 12:18:50 AM
Greetings!

Ah, yes. More mayhem, chaos, and death. Fresh from the news, live video of hordes of black teenagers going crazy in the wonderful, DEMOCRAT-RUN city of Chicago.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 18, 2023, 12:46:53 AM
Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

You acknowledge that that your newsfeed selectively feeds you rage-bait. You make wild accusations about “Marxist indoctrination” and social corruption with zero evidence. You are not an oppressed minority. Ask yourself why you choose to keep threatening violence against your imaginary oppressors. Be better.

Greetings!

"You keep making wild accusations about "Marxist indoctrination" and social corruption with zero evidence."

*Laughing* Really? I see evidence every day. I have also seen evidence first-hand, in universities and colleges--such as my own--where Marxist professors sought to indoctrinate and corrupt their students. As far as presenting evidence--again, what? For who? Look around. Read. Learn. Stop drinking Marxist Kool-Aid. The country is being ploughed in the ass by Marxists and pumped full of Communism, CRT, Feminism, Globalism, depravity, absolute corruption of every institution,--and somehow, you don't see it?

There are no "imaginary oppressors." Half the damned country has swallowed down Communist Kool-Aid and embraced depravity nine ways to Sunday. Every day, somewhere in this country, more tyrant Libtard politicians seek to take away our gun rights, and wipe their ass with the Constitution. There are even a few of these traitor scum in my state--though fortunately, we have a majority of strong patriots that beat these corrupt animals down, and keep them in their place. That doesn't mean that if these animals actually got the power to oppress me, that they would not do so. I know they certainly would. That's what Liberals like to do--is establish nanny-state Marxist oppression, with the smug elites at the top living in rich, gated communities, while everyone else are disarmed, helpless sheep living in slums. Meanwhile the Liberal elites fix the political elections so that they guarantee that Liberals will perpetually get elected and remain in unassailable positions of absolute strength, just like the Liberals have accomplished in the state of California.

So, sorry, but the "oppressors" are very real. I've lived that, under their tyrannical, corrupt rule, and I'm glad that I now live in a state that is free from Marxist tyranny. Take a look at Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York--the social corruption is all around, man. Pouring in, every day. The moral corruption is destroying this country at a breathtaking pace, right before our eyes. That moral corruption is fostered and promoted by the Marxists, which then seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 01:08:08 AM
Shark, you complain about “Marxist” indoctrination, yet you self select to consume a media diet of rage-bait and white-persecution indoctrination instead of dealing with reality. Why do you think you choose to live in an artificial, self-imposed persecution complex? Why do you continually post violent fantasies against your imaginary foes?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 18, 2023, 01:19:29 AM
Shark, you complain about “Marxist” indoctrination, yet you self select to consume a media diet of rage-bait and white-persecution indoctrination instead of dealing with reality. Why do you think you choose to live in an artificial, self-imposed persecution complex? Why do you continually post violent fantasies against your imaginary foes?

Greetings!

Stop living in a deluded, cucked world, filled with Marxist jello.

I don't have "imaginary foes"--like I mentioned in my earlier commentary. Pay attention. Read, listen, and actually learn. Stop gulping down the Blue Pills, and stop being brainwashed by Marxist-inspired propaganda.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 18, 2023, 08:07:23 AM
I wanna know where GamerSince77 lives, because I could use a vacation from all the Baal, Ishtar and Molech worshippers infesting my city government, my schools, trying to infest my church, trying to get us into more wars where the lives of the lower and middle class kids get thrown away to enrich the elites, trying to molest my godkids and turn them into trannies, denying my veteran friends benefits because they won’t agree to be injected with poison, trying to take away my right to defend myself, doubling the cost of gasoline and food, trying to drive me and other small businesses like me out of business so the plutocrats can own everything and keep us as disposable slaves.

According to GS77 they’re nowhere to be found where they live. I’d like to see that.

On second thought, it sounds like GamerSince77 is living up his own ass, so maybe not.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 08:55:55 AM
I wanna know where GamerSince77 lives, because I could use a vacation from all the Baal, Ishtar and Molech worshippers infesting my city government, my schools, trying to infest my church, trying to get us into more wars where the lives of the lower and middle class kids get thrown away to enrich the elites, trying to molest my godkids and turn them into trannies, denying my veteran friends benefits because they won’t agree to be injected with poison, trying to take away my right to defend myself, doubling the cost of gasoline and food, trying to drive me and other small businesses like me out of business so the plutocrats can own everything and keep us as disposable slaves.

According to GS77 they’re nowhere to be found where they live. I’d like to see that.

On second thought, it sounds like GamerSince77 is living up his own ass, so maybe not.

Stop listening to Alex Jones. You’re not being oppressed. You’re just gullible.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on April 18, 2023, 09:36:22 AM
Stop listening to Alex Jones. You’re not being oppressed. You’re just gullible.

You might as well just delete this shill account now, no one is going to fall for your pathetic gaslighting attempts.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 18, 2023, 11:23:32 AM
I wanna know where GamerSince77 lives, because I could use a vacation from all the Baal, Ishtar and Molech worshippers infesting my city government, my schools, trying to infest my church, trying to get us into more wars where the lives of the lower and middle class kids get thrown away to enrich the elites, trying to molest my godkids and turn them into trannies, denying my veteran friends benefits because they won’t agree to be injected with poison, trying to take away my right to defend myself, doubling the cost of gasoline and food, trying to drive me and other small businesses like me out of business so the plutocrats can own everything and keep us as disposable slaves.

According to GS77 they’re nowhere to be found where they live. I’d like to see that.

On second thought, it sounds like GamerSince77 is living up his own ass, so maybe not.

Stop listening to Alex Jones. You’re not being oppressed. You’re just gullible.
Ironic, considering Jones literally is being oppressed. That judgement against him is ridiculous and I don't even like the guy.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 11:49:07 AM
Nope. Jones isn’t being oppressed. He’s facing the consequences of his actions.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on April 18, 2023, 12:11:23 PM
Nope. Jones isn’t being oppressed. He’s facing the consequences of his actions.

https://www.therpgsite.com/profile/?area=showposts;u=14309

(https://i.imgur.com/F3Ttvnq.gif)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 12:36:48 PM
😂 You’re hilarious!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 18, 2023, 03:10:23 PM
I wanna know where GamerSince77 lives, because I could use a vacation from all the Baal, Ishtar and Molech worshippers infesting my city government, my schools, trying to infest my church, trying to get us into more wars where the lives of the lower and middle class kids get thrown away to enrich the elites, trying to molest my godkids and turn them into trannies, denying my veteran friends benefits because they won’t agree to be injected with poison, trying to take away my right to defend myself, doubling the cost of gasoline and food, trying to drive me and other small businesses like me out of business so the plutocrats can own everything and keep us as disposable slaves.

According to GS77 they’re nowhere to be found where they live. I’d like to see that.

On second thought, it sounds like GamerSince77 is living up his own ass, so maybe not.

Stop listening to Alex Jones. You’re not being oppressed. You’re just gullible.
Right, so I'm imagining the cost of gas and food doubling over the last couple years? I'm imagining the VA denying my friend service because he wouldn't get the clot shot? I'm imagining the war in Ukraine?

Thank you for confirming you're a troll account. Welcome to Ignore-Land where you can scream to your heart's content and I don't have to listen to it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 18, 2023, 06:55:46 PM
Alex Jones makes more sense than Joe Biden
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 18, 2023, 07:38:47 PM
Alex Jones makes more sense than Joe Biden
Hunter Biden makes more sense than Joe Biden. It's a low bar to clear. In fact, I think my dogs make more sense than Joe... I really need a "my Australian shepherd is smarten than Joe Biden" sticker.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 08:11:56 PM
This your guy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 08:13:03 PM
This your guy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 08:13:39 PM
This your guy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 08:19:23 PM
This your soy cuck with tactical White Claw?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 09:15:15 PM
This your guy?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 18, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 18, 2023, 09:48:55 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.

Greetings!

"SHAR-KKK"? *LAUGHING*

Get fucked, GamerCUCK77!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 18, 2023, 10:23:42 PM
Greetings!

Ahh, yeah, so this guy, Ali Alexander, evidently likes to fuck little boys? Oh well! He's a fucking degenerate scumbag that should bathe in napalm. Unfortunately though for him, he will have to wait his turn standing in a very long line of Libtard fucking groomers that like fucking little boys.

I'm very consistent. All of the immoral degenerates should bathe in napalm.

Justice Clarence Thomas getting paid some good good? GOOD FOR HIM! Having said that, though, it is also important to be pragmatic. As the Libtard Marxist Saul Alinsky liked to say--and most Libtards embrace--"By any means necessary!" I sleep good knowing that Justice Clarence Thomas--a PROUD BLACK AMERICAN--makes Commie scum REEE and sob like little bitches!

*Laughing* GamerCUCK77 loses again. This fucking Commie TROLL is just gonna sob some more like all the other REEEing bitches that cry because they can't fuck kids, murder children, and get their pathetic feelings hurt because someone said something they don't like!

It is fun watching all the Libtard sheep REEE and cry in their cesspool cities. Those stupid cuck fuckers that VOTED IN DEMOCRATS that are fucking Communists deserve their poverty, their misery, their drug-infested chaos. They deserve their cities being overrun by fucking criminal thugs and hordes of teenagers, like in fucking CHICAGO! Oh, yeah, yet ANOTHER LIBERAL CITY choking on shit!

Let it all burn, baby.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: cavalier973 on April 18, 2023, 10:53:32 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.

I give this attempted impersonation of Charles Boyer a 2.8 out of 10.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on April 18, 2023, 11:40:37 PM
Hi, GamerSince77. If no one has said it yet, welcome to theRPGsite. You'll get plenty of disagreement here, but at least you're unlikely to get banned simply for your political views. I see about your finishing up a campaign of Modiphius' Star Trek RPG. I'd be curious to hear about any new campaign in the RPG section.


Everyday, my newsfeed is *filled* with news stories, News videos, Tik-Tok videos, and You-Tube rants from throughout the country, showcasing insane, delusional, shrieking Libtards. The government is absolutely filled with corrupt morons. Our economy is in a shambles. Our military is run through with Woke propaganda and Woke morons. Our schools are Marxist indoctrination centers. Our court system is staggering under the corruption. Our cities are filled with hordes of drugged up, mind-blasted homeless people, while savage, violent criminals continue to turn our cities into crime-filled cesspools. Chaos, depravity, decay, and corruption is everywhere.

You acknowledge that that your newsfeed selectively feeds you rage-bait. You make wild accusations about “Marxist indoctrination” and social corruption with zero evidence. You are not an oppressed minority. Ask yourself why you choose to keep threatening violence against your imaginary oppressors. Be better.

GamerSince77, you don't know SHARK or his experiences and he doesn't know you. I think talking about one's own experiences is better than making claims about someone you don't know. I also think talking in memes is just going with programming. Your one about Murdoch appears to falsely quote him.

Exchanging insults with the regulars here will just burn you out, exasperate them, and have you leaving shortly. If you want to actually participate here - start some threads in the RPG forum about your gaming. You can express your politics here, but just swapping insults or posting memes will just raise your temper and theirs.

I'm not thrilled about SHARK talking about burning in napalm the people I love, but I still try to speak to him from my own life. My disagreement with SHARK is from my personal experiences. I live in the SF Bay area, and I have a number of gay and transgender friends and family. My church supports a lot of liberal causes. My understanding from past conversations is that SHARK lives in a fairly conservative community in I think Idaho.

From how SHARK describes it, I should have a hellish life because I am surrounded by the evil he describes. But the people in my family, friends, and church are good people, working to communicate better. I think there are a bunch of problems in my communities, but most of them aren't the same as SHARK is complaining of.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on April 19, 2023, 09:18:19 AM
Thank you for confirming you're a troll account. Welcome to Ignore-Land where you can scream to your heart's content and I don't have to listen to it.

Yeah...I put him on ignore then see SIX consecutive posts. Sad!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on April 19, 2023, 12:32:10 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.

Obvious troll is obvious.
You must try harder.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 19, 2023, 04:04:32 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.

Obvious troll is obvious.
You must try harder.
What’s even funnier is he/she/it thinks we’re on the same side as the Greedy Oligarch Party instead of recognizing it as just the other wing of the same corrupt vulture.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 19, 2023, 04:59:39 PM
Well, I’ll be damned if Shark isn’t right!

There is a cabal of elites who seek to elevate themselves into the halls of wealth and power, ruling over cesspools of a new feudal state of tyranny, misery, and absolute depravity and corruption.

It just happens to be on the side Sharkkk supports.

Obvious troll is obvious.
You must try harder.
What’s even funnier is he/she/it thinks we’re on the same side as the Greedy Oligarch Party instead of recognizing it as just the other wing of the same corrupt vulture.

Greetings!

GOP Morons: "Yes, yes. We will drive the train in the same direction as the Democrat Libtards, but we will just drive a bit slower!"

*Laughing*

So many of the GOP cucks need the napalm, too. Or they can be fed to hungry alligators! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on April 19, 2023, 06:09:20 PM
...
What’s even funnier is he/she/it thinks we’re on the same side as the Greedy Oligarch Party instead of recognizing it as just the other wing of the same corrupt vulture.

Yep, this. Especially when they're trying so hard to bait, LOL. And good job on covering those pronoun bases :D
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on April 19, 2023, 06:28:03 PM
...
What’s even funnier is he/she/it thinks we’re on the same side as the Greedy Oligarch Party instead of recognizing it as just the other wing of the same corrupt vulture.

Yep, this. Especially when they're trying so hard to bait, LOL. And good job on covering those pronoun bases :D
I give it 50/50 they're a rogue chatbot spewing standard Woke talking points which is why I included the "it."

It's possibly higher, but other than the post Shark quoted I haven't seen anything since they went into Ignore-Land so I can only go on the info I have.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Wisithir on April 19, 2023, 09:52:15 PM
Or they can be fed to hungry alligators! ;D
What did the poor alligators do to deserver being fed that shit?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 19, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Or they can be fed to hungry alligators! ;D
What did the poor alligators do to deserver being fed that shit?

Greetings!

*Laughing* Ahh, yeah, Wisithir! Very true, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GamerSince77 on April 19, 2023, 10:32:10 PM
What you said in regard to learning about Ali Alexander, the man who headed Trump’s Stop the Steal campaign:
Quote from: SHARK link=topic=44102.msg1251180#msg1251180 date=
So many of the GOP cucks need the napalm, too. Or they can be fed to hungry alligators!

What I heard:
“Thanks, GS77! The media that’s been feeding us propaganda about God-Emperor Trump confused us about our Christian values. We’re still going to need to call you a “Libtard” to protect our fragile egos, but you were right. Maybe Trump isn’t the man we thought he was.”

Well, you’re welcome. I’m glad I could help you find you values again.😀
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 20, 2023, 05:47:09 AM
  You best hope the gang that follows Trump around sticks to some form of christian values.  The day they go pagan or godless the people practicing the faith of transgenderism are going to hang from poles and a lot of their supporters will be there with them. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jeff37923 on April 20, 2023, 06:35:58 AM
  You best hope the gang that follows Trump around sticks to some form of christian values.  The day they go pagan or godless the people practicing the faith of transgenderism are going to hang from poles and a lot of their supporters will be there with them.

That is something that has always surprised me about leftists. They decry Christian values in response to rioting, but then look at other countries who deal with internal civil strife by responding with lethal force and are appalled. The leftists don't bother to acknowledge that the reason why these Antifa and BLM astroturfed riots are not stopped by machinegun fire in the USA is due to the application of Christian values in our laws.

And before you lefties shoot off your mouth with a hot take on that, I'm a pro-religion agnostic with LaVeyan Satanist tendencies that made the post.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 20, 2023, 06:46:58 AM
the thread has officially turned into a game of "who farts louder"
/sigh
moving along...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on April 20, 2023, 08:06:10 AM


On being warned by Russia in 1997 that NATO expansion would force Russia to seek closer ties with China, Biden mocked them and even suggested that they try to ally with Iran, too (yuk yuk yuk!).  So what's the situation today?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 20, 2023, 11:54:44 AM
the thread has officially turned into a game of "who farts louder"
/sigh
moving along...

 I guess you missed the title of the thread
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 20, 2023, 04:10:06 PM


On being warned by Russia in 1997 that NATO expansion would force Russia to seek closer ties with China, Biden mocked them and even suggested that they try to ally with Iran, too (yuk yuk yuk!).  So what's the situation today?

God. While Biden's a moron, at least in those clips he's a mostly-coherent moron. It's sad to compare current Biden to then Biden.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on April 20, 2023, 06:02:20 PM
Cascade of F-A-I-L-U-R
Maryland, 19 Apr 2023

Quote
We have a thousand billionaires in America. You know the average tax rate they pay? Eight. E-I-G-H percent.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Grognard GM on April 20, 2023, 08:25:04 PM
Cascade of F-A-I-L-U-R
Maryland, 19 Apr 2023

Quote
We have a thousand billionaires in America. You know the average tax rate they pay? Eight. E-I-G-H percent.

We have a thousand Fonzie's in America.  You know the tax rate they pay? E-H-H-H percent.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 21, 2023, 04:37:09 AM
Greetings!

I have recently seen some discussion videos where they have detailed analysis of how the Russian Army has been changing their training regimens, and organizing new kinds of forces in the field, "Assault Regiments" I think they said. Adapting different tactics with smaller units of specialized troops. I also understand that the Russians have improved their tactical coordination of artillery forces, integrating satellite data with targeted artillery strikes, allowing them to really ramp up the firepower against any particular sector on the battlefield.

Apparently, many of these improvements in training, tactics, forces organization, and integration of weapons and intelligence and surveillance systems has gained Russia considerable progress in the theater.

I have often wondered though, why aren't the Russian Army using more extensive training programs? It can easily take several months of hard training just to get basic Infantry soldiers up to a basic level of competence and skill. Grabbing some raw recruits and shipping them to the front with only a few days or a few weeks of training is a recipe for continuous disaster.

Of course, I have also heard that Ukraine in recent weeks and months, has begun doing exactly that--just grabbing raw recruits, and sending them to the front with days or weeks of training. That is just going to get such untrained recruits mowed down and turned into mulch.

I'm reminded of how in the ancient world, Alexander the Great conquered the entire Persian Empire with 50,000 Macedonian troops that were not only vigorously trained, but continued to hone and sharpen their war-fighting skills with the ruthless experience of war. With every battle, with every campaign, every step of the way, Alexander's soldiers became more hardened, more skilled, and more ruthless in the execution of war. They became an unstoppable war machine that literally conquered every kind of obstacle--harsh deserts, rugged mountains, tenacious guerilla warfare, mass-scale armies engaged in battle, full-scale sieges of fortified cities, climbing through the world's tallest mountains in snow, and even blasting hot jungles in India. No army had their experience, their fierce, unyielding morale, or their ruthless skills as masters of war.

I always am boggled why so often modern armies seem to ignore the lessons of the ancient world. The great armies of the past, and their brilliant generals embraced visionary dynamics of leadership and war that transcends time. That is why every professional soldier needs to study the ancient masters of war, like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on April 21, 2023, 05:29:45 AM
Greetings!

I have recently seen some discussion videos where they have detailed analysis of how the Russian Army has been changing their training regimens, and organizing new kinds of forces in the field, "Assault Regiments" I think they said. Adapting different tactics with smaller units of specialized troops. I also understand that the Russians have improved their tactical coordination of artillery forces, integrating satellite data with targeted artillery strikes, allowing them to really ramp up the firepower against any particular sector on the battlefield.

Apparently, many of these improvements in training, tactics, forces organization, and integration of weapons and intelligence and surveillance systems has gained Russia considerable progress in the theater.

I have often wondered though, why aren't the Russian Army using more extensive training programs? It can easily take several months of hard training just to get basic Infantry soldiers up to a basic level of competence and skill. Grabbing some raw recruits and shipping them to the front with only a few days or a few weeks of training is a recipe for continuous disaster.

Of course, I have also heard that Ukraine in recent weeks and months, has begun doing exactly that--just grabbing raw recruits, and sending them to the front with days or weeks of training. That is just going to get such untrained recruits mowed down and turned into mulch.

I'm reminded of how in the ancient world, Alexander the Great conquered the entire Persian Empire with 50,000 Macedonian troops that were not only vigorously trained, but continued to hone and sharpen their war-fighting skills with the ruthless experience of war. With every battle, with every campaign, every step of the way, Alexander's soldiers became more hardened, more skilled, and more ruthless in the execution of war. They became an unstoppable war machine that literally conquered every kind of obstacle--harsh deserts, rugged mountains, tenacious guerilla warfare, mass-scale armies engaged in battle, full-scale sieges of fortified cities, climbing through the world's tallest mountains in snow, and even blasting hot jungles in India. No army had their experience, their fierce, unyielding morale, or their ruthless skills as masters of war.

I always am boggled why so often modern armies seem to ignore the lessons of the ancient world. The great armies of the past, and their brilliant generals embraced visionary dynamics of leadership and war that transcends time. That is why every professional soldier needs to study the ancient masters of war, like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

  Disagree.  That is like saying everyone who is in a combat sport like boxing or MMA can just study the best in the world and have the same results.   I think there is a level of talent and intangibles in being a fantastic battle leader/general.  Most modern armies have generals who are politicians and got there from being such (through out history this is also the case) and not because of some proven merits around actual leadership ability and the ability to make quick on site decisions.   Caesar and Alexander also had INCREDIBLE charisma and the people following them would have literally gone to hell for them... that is very rare and as much a talent as anything anyone can learn.  So I do not think its as simple as we would like for it to be.   I look at Milley and his contemporaries and great men I do not see.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Klava on April 21, 2023, 05:58:28 AM
I have often wondered though, why aren't the Russian Army using more extensive training programs?
how do you know that they don't?
russia, like some other countries, has "universal military obligation" - a conscription program that every male (and every female of some  professions - docs for example) must go through at a certain point in their lives. there are some exceptions - determined by health and personal situations, like family and stuff like that (i didn't have to serve, for example, for a health condition). it used to be two years, now it's one. the quality of training that conscripts go through, admittedly, is very uneven and depends on where one gets to serve, but it's there and it's certainly better than nothing.
apart from that russian government also offers professional military training and jobs to those, who wish and qualify for it. i wouldn't claim to know proper numbers - the sources of that info are, understandably, dubious - but it's somewhere in the realm of few hundred thousands of professionally trained military people. officers, equipment operators, special ops, communications etc.

so most males in russia, and some females of important military professions too, have gone through some military training in their lives, and a lot have special military professions and skills. so, while it may look like the training they are giving to those who have been drafted lately is poor and rushed, the situation may not actually be as bad as you hear because they mostly drafted those who had some training before.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 21, 2023, 06:54:13 AM
Greetings!

I have recently seen some discussion videos where they have detailed analysis of how the Russian Army has been changing their training regimens, and organizing new kinds of forces in the field, "Assault Regiments" I think they said. Adapting different tactics with smaller units of specialized troops. I also understand that the Russians have improved their tactical coordination of artillery forces, integrating satellite data with targeted artillery strikes, allowing them to really ramp up the firepower against any particular sector on the battlefield.

Apparently, many of these improvements in training, tactics, forces organization, and integration of weapons and intelligence and surveillance systems has gained Russia considerable progress in the theater.

I have often wondered though, why aren't the Russian Army using more extensive training programs? It can easily take several months of hard training just to get basic Infantry soldiers up to a basic level of competence and skill. Grabbing some raw recruits and shipping them to the front with only a few days or a few weeks of training is a recipe for continuous disaster.

Of course, I have also heard that Ukraine in recent weeks and months, has begun doing exactly that--just grabbing raw recruits, and sending them to the front with days or weeks of training. That is just going to get such untrained recruits mowed down and turned into mulch.

I'm reminded of how in the ancient world, Alexander the Great conquered the entire Persian Empire with 50,000 Macedonian troops that were not only vigorously trained, but continued to hone and sharpen their war-fighting skills with the ruthless experience of war. With every battle, with every campaign, every step of the way, Alexander's soldiers became more hardened, more skilled, and more ruthless in the execution of war. They became an unstoppable war machine that literally conquered every kind of obstacle--harsh deserts, rugged mountains, tenacious guerilla warfare, mass-scale armies engaged in battle, full-scale sieges of fortified cities, climbing through the world's tallest mountains in snow, and even blasting hot jungles in India. No army had their experience, their fierce, unyielding morale, or their ruthless skills as masters of war.

I always am boggled why so often modern armies seem to ignore the lessons of the ancient world. The great armies of the past, and their brilliant generals embraced visionary dynamics of leadership and war that transcends time. That is why every professional soldier needs to study the ancient masters of war, like Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and Genghis Khan.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

  Disagree.  That is like saying everyone who is in a combat sport like boxing or MMA can just study the best in the world and have the same results.   I think there is a level of talent and intangibles in being a fantastic battle leader/general.  Most modern armies have generals who are politicians and got there from being such (through out history this is also the case) and not because of some proven merits around actual leadership ability and the ability to make quick on site decisions.   Caesar and Alexander also had INCREDIBLE charisma and the people following them would have literally gone to hell for them... that is very rare and as much a talent as anything anyone can learn.  So I do not think its as simple as we would like for it to be.   I look at Milley and his contemporaries and great men I do not see.

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*!!!! Oh, geesus, Oggsmash! I choked on my coffee laughing at that! General MILLEY! What a clown!
That reminds me, so many of our own current Generals fall very much into the mediocre category, with most of them being worthless political yes-men. I have heard about so *many* talented Captains, Majors, and Colonels saying "Fuck This!" and getting out, rather than wade into the political swamp of higher command.

And yes, that's right. Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, and Julius Caesar made high command look easy! They rally did have super-charisma that seems to have had a spiritual aspect. In every case, as you said, their armies would have followed them through Hell. I remember when Caesar was contemplating crossing the Rubicon River, and surrendering to the Roman Senate in Rome, which likely would have executed Caesar. Caesar's Legions--by that time, a full 8 or 10 Legions that had been fighting at Caesar's side in Gaul for 10 years straight--all screamed and cried that Caesar should march against Rome! The LEGIONS would march with Caesar! Caesar was proud, and overjoyed, almost, that his hardened legions would nearly mutiny at the thought of Caesar surrendering! They really were willing and ready to die at his side.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on April 21, 2023, 07:44:10 AM
I have often wondered though, why aren't the Russian Army using more extensive training programs?
how do you know that they don't?
russia, like some other countries, has "universal military obligation" - a conscription program that every male (and every female of some  professions - docs for example) must go through at a certain point in their lives. there are some exceptions - determined by health and personal situations, like family and stuff like that (i didn't have to serve, for example, for a health condition). it used to be two years, now it's one. the quality of training that conscripts go through, admittedly, is very uneven and depends on where one gets to serve, but it's there and it's certainly better than nothing.
apart from that russian government also offers professional military training and jobs to those, who wish and qualify for it. i wouldn't claim to know proper numbers - the sources of that info are, understandably, dubious - but it's somewhere in the realm of few hundred thousands of professionally trained military people. officers, equipment operators, special ops, communications etc.

so most males in russia, and some females of important military professions too, have gone through some military training in their lives, and a lot have special military professions and skills. so, while it may look like the training they are giving to those who have been drafted lately is poor and rushed, the situation may not actually be as bad as you hear because they mostly drafted those who had some training before.

Greetings!

Klava, my friend! Yes, that's right. I don't trust the Western Media. I know the Western Media likes to always make the Russian Army sound like they are clowns--but I know better. Granted, I am not familiar with the immediate details and relationships over there at present, of course. I assume that the Russian Army, even though it no doubt has its share of political clowns and puppets--it certainly has many professional and excellent soldiers, and some outstanding commanders.

I remember the training and special instruction I gained when I was in the Marine Corps. Back then, the Soviet Union was who we trained constantly against. We had what we call "Red Teams" in our military war games. The "Red Team" are expert soldiers that train constantly with Russian gear, equipment, and training methods and tactics. Or they at least strive to fight like Russians, with Russian doctrines and all that--and always with the goal of using everything possible to defeat us, who were called the "Blue Team".

Contrary to the media and general public awareness--we did not always "win" in these war-games and maneuvers. We had it drilled into us constantly how professional and skilled, and ruthless the Russian Army was, and how the Russian training was harsh, brutal, and very effective. (According to intelligence--at least US intelligence--and custom, the Russian Army trains in methods and policies that, well, by US law here, we cannot typically get away with.) It was generally considered that regular Russian Army forces would likely crush most regular American forces, so our doctrines and plans relied a great deal upon our elite and hardened forces--like the US Marines, the Seals, and some of the elite armoured units in the US Army, would fight hard and slow the Russian advance down, giving our forces in the rear time and opportunity to get their act together.

Of course, for myself, personally, I had always studied closely the Red Army's operations in Russia, and then marching into Nazi Germany to crush them. Granted, that was a long time ago, of course--but the principles were there. The Red Army was forged under fire into being an absolute war machine that crushed the Wehrmacht--and not when the Nazis were weak, either, but when they were at their *peak*. The Red Army took the best the Wehrmacht could throw at you, and marched back victorious. That's epic, Klava! So, I was somewhat familiar with the history, and the traditions of the Red Army. I knew we could expect an absolute grinding fight, with well-trained and toughened infantry, lots and lots of tanks, and lots of deadly artillery, too!

I always expect the Russian Army to be tough, and to never, ever quit. They are expected to train, and innovate, and create new weapons and machines. All the hardware stuff, I know the Russian Army will hone and sharpen things up. I just am out of the loop on how the Russian high command does things nowadays.

Is the Russian Army training more paratroopers? In Western Media, they like to crow about how the Russian paratroopers have been slaughtered. I am surprised though, that the Russian Army has not used more mass-scale airborne attacks throughout Ukraine. Like, 10,000 or 20,000 airborne troops being dropped in operations.

I remember watching a Russian documentary about Russian Spetznaz forces, and the airborne troops, and while I know they fix it up nice--can't show any mistakes or secrets, of course--but they were looking mighty fucking impressive. It brought back memories of the classified training we got in the Marines, watching the operations, the marksmanship drills, the hand-to-hand combat training, all the fun stuff!

I recently watched a Russian documentary about the Great Patriotic War--and the Red Army's drive against Germany. The tanks, yeah baby! All the Russian troops equipped with the submachine guns, overcoats, and the Ushanka? All riding the tanks into battle, ferocious! Then, the artillery and the Katyusha's going off HUGE! Damn, you know? Looking at that huge statue in Vologograd, "The Motherland Calls"--am I remembering that right? The long march from then-Stalingrad, fighting and clawing every foot of ground back, of the Motherland. Then, blasting their way into Berlin, and raising the Soviet flag over the Reichstag! That is so awesome, my friend! I know it is tragic, too, but it is still glorious and awesome!

I laughed with joy, seeing this Russian footage then--in 1945--of a street corner in Berlin, all blasted ruins, with Red Army troops marching and driving everywhere--and this smart-dressed Russian girl, in Red Army uniform, is directing traffic left and right with little flags, while she had this huge smile on her face, as she directed traffic! Have you seen that film footage, Klava? It is so heartwarming, joyful, and exhuberant! I forgot that Russian girl's name, but I remember learning that she was 20 years old at tht time, and had been fighting in the Red Army for several years.

On the modern stuff, I also heard that the Russian Army is going to be getting more than 1500 T-90M tanks soon! Evidently, these tanks are a new model, a new variant, with lots of special goodies on board. I get excited about stuff like that! *Laughing*

I had a good friend of mine in the Marines that was a gunner in a Marine Armoured unit, so, since I was in the Infantry, I always loved the tanks, too. Tanks are always good to have at your side!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 22, 2023, 02:21:25 PM


Biden's presidency is built on a foundation of lies and corruption.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on May 01, 2023, 01:22:56 PM
Cascade of Cartoon Failure
30 Apr 2023

Quote from: President Biden
But Bickey Mous, Mickey Mouse beat the hell out of me and got there first. Now look, can’t be rough on the guy. After his relection as governor, he was asked if he (Pause) had a mandate. Said “hell no, I’m straight.” I’ll give you time to think that one through (pause) you got it?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on June 15, 2023, 03:03:14 AM
(double post)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on June 15, 2023, 03:03:36 AM
Cascade of Geographic Failure
14 Jun 2023

Quote from: President Biden
We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on June 17, 2023, 08:04:53 AM
At the closing of a speech to a union on 6-16-23, Biden says "God save the queen"
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 17, 2023, 10:27:10 AM
Cascade of Geographic Failure
14 Jun 2023

Quote from: President Biden
We have plans to build a railroad from the Pacific all the way across the Indian Ocean.

This is the kind of thing that would be mocked mercilessly if most of the media weren't sucking on Joe's b*****le.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Exploderwizard on June 27, 2023, 11:56:23 AM
Wow! At a meeting with the Indian PM and several others Biden flat stated that he sold state secrets and other things. The story was on a news feed earlier this morning but has been taken down. Since this was an official meeting at the WH it is part of the official record.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on June 28, 2023, 03:44:40 PM
Wow! At a meeting with the Indian PM and several others Biden flat stated that he sold state secrets and other things. The story was on a news feed earlier this morning but has been taken down. Since this was an official meeting at the WH it is part of the official record.

It WaS jUsT a JoKe!

Dude is both corrupt and senile, in charge of the country, and protected by the State and Media from his constant fuckups.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 05, 2023, 08:32:59 AM
Well, that has to rankle.

The judge in the upcoming Missouri v. Biden case, which involves government partnering with social media and tech to, uh, 'suppress disinformation' (lol) just handed down an injunction before the trial even gets underway.

I would suggest this is a very bad sign for the Beltway regime, if the judge is willing to sign off on a block even before the hearing.

And no, it is NOT constitutional for the U.S. government to farm out its censorship requests to private business.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on July 05, 2023, 09:15:13 AM
So...how about that cocaine, huh?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 05, 2023, 10:41:56 AM
So...how about that cocaine, huh?
It doesn't surprise me, but jeez.

Supposedly it wasn't in the library, but in a cubby in a storage area. Which isn't really an improvement.

But then, Hunter Biden is evidently untouchable judging from how the DOJ went full bore to protect him.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on July 05, 2023, 09:58:58 PM
And no, it is NOT constitutional for the U.S. government to farm out its censorship requests to private business.

Of course not. But it's happened. And people are letting it happen.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on July 10, 2023, 01:22:31 PM
  This dude is an unmitigated disaster and no amount of  whataboutism or better than trump bullshit will change that.   He is a complete shitbag and has been for years.  If secret service guys could speak to the press without being suicided or spending life in prison he would have never been a candidate for any office
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Thornhammer on July 13, 2023, 05:38:14 PM
It doesn't surprise me, but jeez.

Supposedly it wasn't in the library, but in a cubby in a storage area. Which isn't really an improvement.

But then, Hunter Biden is evidently untouchable judging from how the DOJ went full bore to protect him.

…and now the Secret Service has declared the case closed as an unsolvable mystery.

In what might be the most monitored and guarded place in the country.

Yep. Total mystery.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on July 13, 2023, 10:23:35 PM
It's comforting to know that anyone, anytime can just drop off a bag of anthrax at the White House and totally get away with it.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 14, 2023, 10:44:11 AM
It's comforting to know that anyone, anytime can just drop off a bag of anthrax at the White House and totally get away with it.
Both options are depressing.

Either security is so bad they should just consider moving the President and his family out entirely (regardless of what you think of Zombie Joe), or the U.S. Secret Service is obscenely compromised and bowed to pressure from DOJ.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on July 21, 2023, 08:22:44 PM
Cascade of Resheck
20 Jul 2023

Quote from:  president Biden
"How many time you read in inflat—that a recession's comin'? They'ven wall street today said no you'll don't say resheck comin' now!"

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Trond on July 29, 2023, 10:40:54 AM
Reminder that they were so desperate to get to Trump that they basically outed and tried to destroy the life of Carter Page, CIA's "operational contact" who had helped CIA catch Russians spying on USA. I agree with many people that this was probably the case that completely unraveled the Russian collusion story for people like Mueller and others.

(https://i.redd.it/58md7ol12ueb1.jpg)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on July 29, 2023, 04:26:41 PM
Cascade of the Passage of Time

Switching gears to a thought-provoking quote from our Vice president, one which I believe will endure the passage of time:

Quote from:  Kamala Harris
The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...there is such great significance to the passage of time. (March 21, 2022)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 30, 2023, 10:13:24 AM
Cascade of the Passage of Time

Switching gears to a thought-provoking quote from our Vice president, one which I believe will endure the passage of time:

Quote from:  Kamala Harris
The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...there is such great significance to the passage of time. (March 21, 2022)
Ugh.

You know, it's kind of darkly hilarious. The game plan was, IMO, to let Joe shamble along for two years and a day, then he resigns in favor of Kamala and the Dems get their 'first wimmen of colorz president!!1'.

Except the problem is that (a) Kamala Harris is a literal whore, and (b) she is also dumber than a bag of hammers with the charisma of rotting roadkill. And the latter is reinforced every time they let her cackle her way through another interview. She makes me long for the down-home, folksy charm of Hillary Clinton.

So now they're stuffed. They have to keep propping up Zombie Joe. Harris is one heartbeat away from the presidency and knows it, so she's not leaving unless they make her leave. Worse, the Dem backfield is very, very thin. Their best bet is Gavin Newsom, but he's loathed outside of California and even IN California he's not exactly popular except among the AWL (affluent white liberal) set.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Eirikrautha on July 30, 2023, 10:36:59 AM
Cascade of the Passage of Time

Switching gears to a thought-provoking quote from our Vice president, one which I believe will endure the passage of time:

Quote from:  Kamala Harris
The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...there is such great significance to the passage of time. (March 21, 2022)
Ugh.

You know, it's kind of darkly hilarious. The game plan was, IMO, to let Joe shamble along for two years and a day, then he resigns in favor of Kamala and the Dems get their 'first wimmen of colorz president!!1'.

Except the problem is that (a) Kamala Harris is a literal whore, and (b) she is also dumber than a bag of hammers with the charisma of rotting roadkill. And the latter is reinforced every time they let her cackle her way through another interview. She makes me long for the down-home, folksy charm of Hillary Clinton.

So now they're stuffed. They have to keep propping up Zombie Joe. Harris is one heartbeat away from the presidency and knows it, so she's not leaving unless they make her leave. Worse, the Dem backfield is very, very thin. Their best bet is Gavin Newsom, but he's loathed outside of California and even IN California he's not exactly popular except among the AWL (affluent white liberal) set.

Add to that the democrat royalty (RFK, Jr.) running on a populist platform that resonates with all of the Democrats who aren't making their living off of DC grift (a smaller proportion, but still significant).  Honestly, if Trump were to bow out and name a successor who he threw his support behind completely, the Repubs would win the next 8 - 12 years easily.  But he's not personally able to do that, so the Repubs will probably lose to a vegetable and a moronic whore... again...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on July 30, 2023, 10:59:43 AM
Cascade of the Passage of Time

Switching gears to a thought-provoking quote from our Vice president, one which I believe will endure the passage of time:

Quote from:  Kamala Harris
The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...there is such great significance to the passage of time. (March 21, 2022)
Ugh.

You know, it's kind of darkly hilarious. The game plan was, IMO, to let Joe shamble along for two years and a day, then he resigns in favor of Kamala and the Dems get their 'first wimmen of colorz president!!1'.

Except the problem is that (a) Kamala Harris is a literal whore, and (b) she is also dumber than a bag of hammers with the charisma of rotting roadkill. And the latter is reinforced every time they let her cackle her way through another interview. She makes me long for the down-home, folksy charm of Hillary Clinton.

So now they're stuffed. They have to keep propping up Zombie Joe. Harris is one heartbeat away from the presidency and knows it, so she's not leaving unless they make her leave. Worse, the Dem backfield is very, very thin. Their best bet is Gavin Newsom, but he's loathed outside of California and even IN California he's not exactly popular except among the AWL (affluent white liberal) set.

Down-home folksy charm! LOL
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on July 30, 2023, 12:14:59 PM
Cascade of the Passage of Time

Switching gears to a thought-provoking quote from our Vice president, one which I believe will endure the passage of time:

Quote from:  Kamala Harris
The significance of the passage of time, right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time...there is such great significance to the passage of time. (March 21, 2022)
Ugh.

You know, it's kind of darkly hilarious. The game plan was, IMO, to let Joe shamble along for two years and a day, then he resigns in favor of Kamala and the Dems get their 'first wimmen of colorz president!!1'.

Except the problem is that (a) Kamala Harris is a literal whore, and (b) she is also dumber than a bag of hammers with the charisma of rotting roadkill. And the latter is reinforced every time they let her cackle her way through another interview. She makes me long for the down-home, folksy charm of Hillary Clinton.

So now they're stuffed. They have to keep propping up Zombie Joe. Harris is one heartbeat away from the presidency and knows it, so she's not leaving unless they make her leave. Worse, the Dem backfield is very, very thin. Their best bet is Gavin Newsom, but he's loathed outside of California and even IN California he's not exactly popular except among the AWL (affluent white liberal) set.

Add to that the democrat royalty (RFK, Jr.) running on a populist platform that resonates with all of the Democrats who aren't making their living off of DC grift (a smaller proportion, but still significant).  Honestly, if Trump were to bow out and name a successor who he threw his support behind completely, the Repubs would win the next 8 - 12 years easily.  But he's not personally able to do that, so the Repubs will probably lose to a vegetable and a moronic whore... again...
That would require someone in the Republican party whose not an establishment sellout who’d just sellout the American middle class as soon as they’re installed; see DeSantis pushing more money for Ukraine while ignoring all the issues in the state that just re-elected him on the promise he’d put his full attention on running the state of Florida or Vivek Ramaswamy letting his inner Globalist slip by saying we should get back into the TransPacific Partnership (i.e. enrich China with kickbacks for the elites) treaty.

There is no one else at the national level except President Trump who is pushing for anything other than a continuation of the corrupt status quo (just with some bondo and paint to conceal the underlying rot).

About the only other remotely national figure he could get behind is Kari Lake… whom the establishment Republicans also kneecapped for being too pro-American. The Republican wing of the Uniparty wouldn’t support her, or anyone who supports the positions of the actual Republican base, to become their nominee.

In polling right now President Trump is the only Republican who can beat the vegetable and whore, which means the problem has always been with election fraud… and if you’re saying President Trump can’t win this time because he can’t beat the fraud, then how the hell do you expect any of the less popular ones to overcome it (except by being so corrupt already that the cheaters don’t feel the need to cheat to keep that candidate out)?

We are damnably close to a French Revolution style scenario at the moment; elites woefully out of touch in their bubble as the middle and working classes are crushed by their greed; those same elite completely unable to comprehend just how vulnerable they are the moment we hit critical mass on armed young men with nothing left to lose and see the powers that be as the ones who took everything from them.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: I on August 18, 2023, 01:21:19 PM
"Pedo Peter", LOL:


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 18, 2023, 03:04:25 PM
Biden is so corrupt. Dems have opened Biden up to RICO charges (Via the accusations against Trump), except the Repubs are chickenshit and just want to play ball with the swamp.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on August 18, 2023, 04:45:02 PM
Have you tried raising a newborn? Six weeks to figure your life out goes by in an eye blink.

Yes, I have, several times.  My wife did it and I worked and helped at night and all day weekends.  I didn't miss a day's work.  My dad did the same.  So did my grandfather. Neither of these two useless idiots went through childbirth so ONE could take of the baby while the other works. Can the BS!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on August 18, 2023, 04:51:25 PM
Biden is so corrupt. Dems have opened Biden up to RICO charges (Via the accusations against Trump), except the Repubs are chickenshit and just want to play ball with the swamp.

Repbs?  There are none in congress. Otherwise the ATF would be gone as "promised" by the Speaker 8 months ago.  I of course called BS on his Twitter feed at the time calling him a liar.  All the Twitter Republicans attacked me of course.  Idiots. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: honeydipperdavid on August 23, 2023, 11:09:29 AM
I find the title of this thread very offensive and misleading it should be named: Biden's Cavalcade of Failure.

It truly is an awe inspiring parade of never ending failures.  It was monthly but now its in the weekly approach.  Its like the US installed Brezhnev as President of the US.  I'm waiting for them to get Helper from the Venture Brothers, hook him up to Biden to filter his blood the way how they did it to Doc in Mexico from the Venture Brothers.  This is getting beyond elder abuse.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 23, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
I find the title of this thread very offensive and misleading it should be named: Biden's Cavalcade of Failure.

It truly is an awe inspiring parade of never ending failures.  It was monthly but now its in the weekly approach.  Its like the US installed Brezhnev as President of the US.  I'm waiting for them to get Helper from the Venture Brothers, hook him up to Biden to filter his blood the way how they did it to Doc in Mexico from the Venture Brothers.  This is getting beyond elder abuse.
I am perpetually torn between pity at Biden's state of health both physical and mental, and contempt and scorn because he has always been a tool and an asshole.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 14, 2023, 03:53:23 PM
So, Impeachment inquiry.

On the one hand, I'm glad the Republicans have the spine to go after Biden. Biden is comparably as guilty as Democrats have claimed Trump is.

On the other hand, it's all political and both parties are spending time and taxpayer funds to whack each other's kneecaps instead of governing the country.

On the third hand, people love this stupid drama, so I guess we get the government we deserve.

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on September 15, 2023, 08:42:02 AM
I am perpetually torn between pity at Biden's state of health both physical and mental, and contempt and scorn because he has always been a tool and an asshole.

He's a kiddie fiddler, he deserves no pity or sympathy whatsoever.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: honeydipperdavid on September 15, 2023, 09:22:49 AM
So, Impeachment inquiry.

On the one hand, I'm glad the Republicans have the spine to go after Biden. Biden is comparably as guilty as Democrats have claimed Trump is.

On the other hand, it's all political and both parties are spending time and taxpayer funds to whack each other's kneecaps instead of governing the country.

On the third hand, people love this stupid drama, so I guess we get the government we deserve.

We are in the civil strife phase of civil war currently.  There are targeted assassination's by leftist irregulars of someone on the right they wanted murdered (Aaron Danielson) and lawfare in the open now (impeachments of trump, impeachment of Biden).  The Republicans are complicit with the Democrats in most of this to retain power for their brand of the uniparty.  But their base wants something done to stop this and that requires the Republicans to start using lawfare themselves against the Dems. 

Biden is on the record publicly at the Council on Foreign Relations stating that he got Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating Burisma.  You know Burisma the gas company that hired Hunter Biden, who doesn't speak Ukrainian, is a known meth head and who could not pass any investigation for a C-Suite placement was getting paid over $80K/mo. https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html  The fuckwad can't be President when he is using political power to publicly enrich himself and his family.  Not counting the number of aliases the guy is using in business affairs that NARA has on record now as well.  His behavior is the worse I've seen from a President from a financial self enrichment, we got to get him out of office, he has to be punished.  We have to stop this level of corruption by the uniparty.

 Biden has been known to be crooked for a long time,  Biden Inc. from Politico 2012https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407/ (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407/).
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 15, 2023, 02:42:28 PM
It's disturbing, but not unsurprising that things would continue on the civil strife side of things. Not sure I'd call it an escalation, though. Right wing attempted assassinations and kidnappings of political figures, as opposed to protesters, came even before the Danielson event, alongside Antifa being Antifa and organizations like BLM attacking the very law enforcement that holds together society for a very long time, but moreso recently. You could alternatively point back to January 6, the buildup, the reactions, the counter reactions, and blah. OR go back further to when Trump was accused of Russian collusion or whatever, laying the groundwork for mistrust of the democratic system on the left in turn being compounded by 2020 fears on the right. Basically, too few people seem to believe in democracy for it to remain tenable for long without intervention. I would agree, though, that something needs to stop the escalation before America proceeds to fully fracture.

I actually hope attempts to invoke the law on both sides succeed. Nobody should be above it, period. Biden seems like he probably abused his power to shield and abet Hunter. Likewise, both he and Trump likely used the office to enrich themselves and their holdings, which while not exactly illegal still kinda sucks. Trump didn't even bother divesting, for instance, and gave stuff over to his family to directly manage, which again while not illegal does feed into what you're talking about here. Here, have a hit piece: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496 . Fucking politicians, man.

I don't think I even need to go into the Biden side of things, but I will throw hit pieces there or help y'all expand too if asked. For instance, his allowing a non-American/CCP corporation, even if based partly in America, to bid for our oil reserves, although they were indeed the highest bidder, was pathetic.

I do think Trump placed fake electors in Georgia, because we have even heard the phone calls where he pushes for them, to say nothing of the actual testimony. This really aggravated me, because either he didn't believe the election was stolen and hence thought he could steal it, or thought he could act extralegally and do the same damn thing. Why the fuck did I listen to this guy about that in the first place? And he openly admitted to having literal boxes full of classified documents that he spent months not handing over despite constant requests. The Fox News interview was horrifying to me. (Yanno, the one with Brett Baier?) IF I did that, I'd be in prison. So why the fuck does he think he's so much better than us? For years he worked the bankruptcy system to rob from taxpayers, and then when he said he'd fix it like idiots we believed him. He also formerly "overexaggerated" the value of his properties and the like where it suited him, which is essentially just lying about your properties, false advertising/falsification, and lying on federal forms.  He also seized a shitload of executive power, and I previously hated centralized power, but like a dumbshit I decided I could somehow trust HIM with it. He regularly had his bureaucratic flunkies he installed break procedure, law, and overextend their powers as delineated by Congress. But I went with it on the premise that somehow this was a "necessary" thing. He also made military support to Ukraine that had been guaranteed by Congress contingent on them abusing power for doing a political hit piece on Biden, and we have the phone call. You know what? Lock them up. Lock them all up. They did literally illegal crap and now they pay for it under the law like everybody else.

And hey, if that turns things into Robert Kennedy Jr. vs DeSantis, who didn't break the law, to my knowledge? All the better. (Partly because DeSantis would win, lol.)
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 15, 2023, 02:49:47 PM
Both parties have only corrupt, constitution hating criminals in executive positions. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 15, 2023, 02:51:27 PM
Both parties have only corrupt, constitution hating criminals in executive positions.

YES! FUCKING EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on September 15, 2023, 04:01:25 PM
We are in the civil strife phase of civil war currently.  There are targeted assassination's by leftist irregulars of someone on the right they wanted murdered (Aaron Danielson) and lawfare in the open now (impeachments of trump, impeachment of Biden).  The Republicans are complicit with the Democrats in most of this to retain power for their brand of the uniparty.  But their base wants something done to stop this and that requires the Republicans to start using lawfare themselves against the Dems.
It's disturbing, but not unsurprising that things would continue on the civil strife side of things. Not sure I'd call it an escalation, though. Right wing attempted assassinations and kidnappings of political figures, as opposed to protesters, came even before the Danielson event, alongside Antifa being Antifa and organizations like BLM attacking the very law enforcement that holds together society for a very long time, but moreso recently. You could alternatively point back to January 6, the buildup, the reactions, the counter reactions, and blah. OR go back further to when Trump was accused of Russian collusion or whatever, laying the groundwork for mistrust of the democratic system on the left in turn being compounded by 2020 fears on the right. Basically, too few people seem to believe in democracy for it to remain tenable for long without intervention. I would agree, though, that something needs to stop the escalation before America proceeds to fully fracture.

I'd agree that we're experiencing civil strife. Thankfully, thus far we've had less violence than we had in the 1960s, where there were dozens of political killings and very high-profile assassinations. But we need to ensure that it doesn't escalate to that point.

What it needs is for the majority of people to put integrity and truth ahead of their side winning.

I think it's recoverable. We recovered from the 1960s, at least in terms of strife.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on September 15, 2023, 05:07:18 PM
Trump didn't even bother divesting, for instance, and gave stuff over to his family to directly manage, which again while not illegal does feed into what you're talking about here. Here, have a hit piece: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496 . Fucking politicians, man.
The richest man to become President, George Washington, didn't divest anything either. 
In fact he continued to run his estates as President.
Reading  Politico.  Sad.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 15, 2023, 05:24:53 PM
Trump didn't even bother divesting, for instance, and gave stuff over to his family to directly manage, which again while not illegal does feed into what you're talking about here. Here, have a hit piece: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496 . Fucking politicians, man.
The richest man to become President, George Washington, didn't divest anything either. 
In fact he continued to run his estates as President.
Reading  Politico.  Sad.

I openly called it a hit piece, dude. But what’s arguably more sad is that it seems to me all you took from the sum totality of my postings… was that somehow I’m the problem for occasionally taking in facts and articles from the other side of the multi-part media machine that distorts and runs on both sides of politics. Got news for you, a lot of the news and even truth doesn’t reach you if you’re too much of a lazy snowflake to exit your bubble. And then you decided to justify making bank off the presidency or public service more generally or whatever. But sure. Justify his literal crimes too. Then justify Biden potentially profiting off the presidency or whatever the hell he’s done to abuse his powers to shield Hunter. Oh wait, you already made an argument towards the former.

Edit: You know what, I was genuinely being unnecessarily and overly confrontational here. I apologize for that. I think part of it is that I just feel very much betrayed by Trump and the Republican Establishment at the moment. It's made me a bit emotional, if you couldn't tell from the tenor of my earlier posts compared to how I normally speak on this site. I feel like folks just keep making excuses for us to toe the party line and elect folks who either don't deserve our vote, deserve to be criminally prosecuted, or who look down on and want to deceive us. On both sides of the political divide, sure, but it hurts more when there's a minimal expectation of decency and where there was once sincere belief and hope on my part. i.e. With respect to the political right, and Trump specifically due to my prior faith in him. I feel he let a lot of us down, certainly myself included, as regards a lot of things, many of which I previously alluded to. I should not be taking that out on folks on this forum, but it does still hurt.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on September 15, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
But what’s arguably more sad is that it seems to me all you took from the sum totality of my postings… was that somehow I’m the problem for occasionally taking in facts and articles from the other side of the multi-part media machine that distorts and runs on both sides of politics.
Oh there is quite a bit more there that I could have commented on.
But I didn't want to make you sad.



 


Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 15, 2023, 05:43:52 PM
But what’s arguably more sad is that it seems to me all you took from the sum totality of my postings… was that somehow I’m the problem for occasionally taking in facts and articles from the other side of the multi-part media machine that distorts and runs on both sides of politics.
Oh there is quite a bit more there that I could have commented on.
But I didn't want to make you sad.

My dude, never shy away from speaking the truth as you see it. If you've got stuff to contribute, go for it. I've decided to move away from knee jerk reactions a bit. So even though I totally get that you're mocking me and clearly disagree with me... I'd like to hear it and see it debated or discussed.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on September 15, 2023, 07:09:04 PM
I'd agree that we're experiencing civil strife. Thankfully, thus far we've had less violence than we had in the 1960s, where there were dozens of political killings and very high-profile assassinations. But we need to ensure that it doesn't escalate to that point.

What it needs is for the majority of people to put integrity and truth ahead of their side winning.

I think it's recoverable. We recovered from the 1960s, at least in terms of strife.

It's not recoverable, because the US economy is utterly fucked. By design.

Can't have a Great Reset without first wrecking the old system.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 15, 2023, 07:35:08 PM

It's not recoverable, because the US economy is utterly fucked. By design.

Can't have a Great Reset without first wrecking the old system.

Correct.  The changes made in the 1st half of the 20th century were intentionally designed to destroy the country and transfer most wealth to the future puppet masters.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 18, 2023, 06:13:16 AM
  LOL at integrity and truth.  It is about a side winning at this point and the only people who are really worried about violence know their side is going to be kaput once its onto the violence the left has been asking for.  I do not see a way to not have violence when the sides are just evil and just good.  How much evil do you tolerate while talking integrity and truth? 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 18, 2023, 08:51:39 AM
  LOL at integrity and truth.  It is about a side winning at this point and the only people who are really worried about violence know their side is going to be kaput once its onto the violence the left has been asking for.  I do not see a way to not have violence when the sides are just evil and just good.  How much evil do you tolerate while talking integrity and truth?

This is true.  The ones who have been using by FAR the most violence politically are now quite correctly worried that if it escalates further they will be butchered like hogs at a slaughter house.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: zircher on September 18, 2023, 12:56:27 PM
I am looking forward to the slaughter and eating popcorn.   ;D
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 20, 2023, 07:31:26 AM
  I can see where a hot war/troops on the ground in Ukraine from the USA could trigger a civil war.  This is looking like a MASSIVE political blunder that seems to get zero real news about what casualties really look like.  Massive swell of migrants getting money to invade the USA, sending BILLIONS to a country that is really little more than a cash washing operation for corrupt rich people, and preaching how important it is for white men to step aside all the time...and its a big conundrum for the military to wonder why recruiting is as bad as it has ever been right now? 

   Involvement with Ukraine will end up not only being Biden's biggest blunder but it could well be the biggest in USA history before its all said and done.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on September 20, 2023, 08:10:59 AM
  I can see where a hot war/troops on the ground in Ukraine from the USA could trigger a civil war.  This is looking like a MASSIVE political blunder that seems to get zero real news about what casualties really look like.  Massive swell of migrants getting money to invade the USA, sending BILLIONS to a country that is really little more than a cash washing operation for corrupt rich people, and preaching how important it is for white men to step aside all the time...and its a big conundrum for the military to wonder why recruiting is as bad as it has ever been right now? 

   Involvement with Ukraine will end up not only being Biden's biggest blunder but it could well be the biggest in USA history before its all said and done.
Recruiting is so bad the DoD’s proxies have started publishing articles calling to bring back the draft (now including young women as well) in order to meet their targets.

Not enough young Americans willing to be maimed and killed in support of the elites’ enrichment schemes; so they’ll just round them up for the slaughter.

Hatred for the elite/parasite class is at all time high and growing and despite their failures in disarming the population; the morons keep pushing at productive class.

If it isn’t reversed by some sense of accountability and justice soon, the dam is going to burst and I fear there will be a lot of indiscriminate lamppost ornaments and it’ll be every state for itself at best.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 20, 2023, 08:25:35 AM
  I can see where a hot war/troops on the ground in Ukraine from the USA could trigger a civil war. 

Fortunately that isn't in the cards.  Why not?  For the same reason that impeachment is going on the table.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 09:29:51 AM
  When you fund a world power's enemies to the tune of damn near double their military budget hot war can pop up any time whether cards are on the table or not.  The border is a complete disaster...needs to be a halt of all immigration and deportation of anyone illegal or without status (including "refugees") and an immigration freeze for 10 or so years.  Any aggression towards China, or even a hotter approach to Russia is likely to give the USA a chance to see they have 100k or so commies operating in our borders ready to topple the giant at a moments notice.  China has people in the US military on active duty....this does not end well even if we do not end up trading pew pew with Russia.   I think the rubicon is crossed.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 09:44:33 AM
  When you fund a world power's enemies to the tune of damn near double their military budget hot war can pop up any time

Babble.  You have ZERO knowledge of the real power structure in Russia.  Those people would NEVER allow Putin to start a war with the USA. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 09:52:26 AM
  I dont think he would start it.  Things like this do not start that way typically.   It would start with some bullets crossing a border at Poland.  If anything the Russian people for certain at this point understand the USA government is their mortal enemy.   You can talk about what I say is babble, but history is littered with corpses of people who felt war was off the table and found out pretty harshly that once people start fighting insanity can take over.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 09:55:47 AM
  I dont think he would start it.  Things like this do not start that way typically.   It would start with some bullets crossing a border at Poland.  If anything the Russian people for certain at this point understand the USA government is their mortal enemy.   

More verbal diarrhea.  Since you haven't been paying attention over the last 20 years you haven't noticed that the Russian people have no control over their gov't.  MOST are against the current war with Ukraine and yet the gov't continues it.  That alone falsifies your rantings.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 10:05:06 AM
  I have doubts you know wtf the Russian public thinks.  I know our public is against supporting Ukraine...yet we are doing it any way.  Russia does not have to START a war with the USA, we have already started a war with them.   I like your hubris and everyone from the Roman Senate dictating to Julius Caesar to the makers of the titanic to the French and English heads of stated in the late 30's were pretty convinced about what can never happen.  It is pretty obvious whoever is calling shots in the USA WANT a war with Russia.  I think that is all that will really matter, not what Putin, Russian power structure or Russian people want.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 10:11:44 AM
  I have doubts you know wtf the Russian public thinks.

More stupidity.  There are tons of video surveys from Russia online.  So, put your money where you idiocy is. $50 says no hot war with the USA & Russia.  Since the war is close to over lets give it 'till end of December.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 10:29:32 AM
Russia does not have to START a war with the USA, we have already started a war with them.   

Where did you run off to?  $50 bucks.  Also MORON, the USA is fulfilling its agreement signed WITH Russia to protect Ukraine's borders in exchange for Russia getting all of Ukraine's nuc weapons at end of cold war.  Russia is obligated to honor Ukraine's borders you stupid fucking, brainless waste of human flesh.  So, when and HOW did the USA start a war with Russia?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 11:16:29 AM
  You have a very sharp tongue for what I presumed to be a conversation around possibilities in the current world. I do not mind even a little with you disagreeing and making points to counter my concerns with the USA meddling with a nuclear power in their backyard.  I do mind your tone as I do all I can to keep any conversation as I would face to face.  I think your tone is not that, and if it is I am surprised you have any teeth left if you feel talking to people as you do now is acceptable.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 11:21:31 AM
  Your name calling and belligerent tone aside didnt the USA and NATO also say no further encroachment of NATO towards Russia?  If we are going to use a piece of paper to assume the USA is acting just and correct in the matter...can we regard all the things the parties agreed to?    I never said there would be a hot war...I did say playing around in a bear's back yard is a good way to get one. I suspect you may need a dose of your medication...or better go outside and get some exercise, hit a heavy bag, something constructive besides calling people names who would literally knock you on your ass if you did so in person.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
  You have a very sharp tongue for what I presumed to be a conversation around possibilities

You are an INTENTIONALLY uneducated idiot.  Explain now moron how the USA started a war with Russia.  Or admit insanity at best.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 11:27:48 AM
 I will admit at this point if we were speaking in person, you would be having a really bad day.   
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 11:30:19 AM
I will admit at this point if we were speaking in person, you would be having a really bad day.   

STFU pussy and answer the question.  How did the USA start a war with Russia?  Maggot.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 11:38:14 AM
  Providing massive funding, material, arms and advisors to a nation is in direct conflict with the antagonistic nation.  The USA would have LONG since responded with overwhelming force if one of our neighbors was trading shots with us and being massively propped up by some 3rd party.  I think a casual glance at history and how other huge conflicts got bigger would tell anyone capable of reading a bit of history this.   I would bet many of the best defenses and attacks mounted by the Ukrainians were likely supported by those advisors I mentioned likely in person or operating assets themselves.   I guess we can reach into our asses and make some sort of excuse as to how supplying, training and "advising" a combatant's enemy is not an act of war against the combatant, but I am a direct and simple person.

    I also do all I can to keep discourse civil because I live in a world where you will get a chance to stand by your words.  You, the picture of modern man (soft, physically weak, likely of weak principles and moral character) obviously do not.   I think your current speech is not the way you would ever talk with another person and I can assure you if we were face to face it is not how this conversation would be going.  I suggest you temper your tone and act a bit less like the picture of modern man.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Scooter on September 21, 2023, 11:41:13 AM
  Providing massive funding, material, arms and advisors to a nation is in direct conflict with the antagonistic nation.

Well MORON, we aren't at war with Russia and thus haven't started a war with Russia despite you lying to the contrary. So you are fucking wrong dipshit.

How can you be so ill informed when you can just search online.  Did your parents beat you with a stick from the local stupid tree every day of your life?

Why do you have such a hard on to spew Putin's talking points?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2023, 11:47:56 AM
  Well modern man (aka emotional, irrational man baby who is fat, weak, and utterly incapable of defending himself in any physical altercation) I think that is a view of perspective, and one that would radically shift if the USA was in Russia's position.  I understand you do not see it this way, as you are the sort of person who feels he can say whatever he wants to people, but is then shocked, sad, and crying on the ground when he gets the shit slapped out of him.  We agree to disagree and I spend any time I do pray to praying it does not got any further towards a direct response from Russia.   You call me a liar but there are lists of world powers throughout history that took these exact sort of actions as an act akin to declaring war or at the least to acts that led directly to declaring war.   I am not lying from a historical perspective of how many nations have and would take these actions (especially how the USA would view it). 

   So grab some more hot pockets, drink some more soda, get fatter, take those anxiety meds, and keep doing what you do best.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: DocJones on September 21, 2023, 01:22:30 PM
Meh.  Ukraine Russia They can both go to hell.
Just another example of "Biden's cascade of failure".
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 21, 2023, 05:36:08 PM
I actually think Ukraine has turned out pretty well, all told. Especially given that not just America wound up roughly supporting them. And I don't think that would have happened if America hadn't at least been willing to give our pseudo-support. I don't foresee American troops entering into the conflict, and that's probably also for the best. (Though I feel Biden was indeed foolish to make clear to Russia that NATO and American forces would not intervene, since the moment he did so it was giving the green light, and within 24 hours the invasion truly commenced. Gotta love indiscriminate slaughter, which is thus in a sense partly on his hands.)

Russia had been planning an invasion for a long time, and had long been wanting its former satellite states and USSR portions "back" from democracy and the like. Part of why they sabotaged Ukraine's armaments and defenses decades in advance. Prior to that, we had actually signed treaties to defend Ukraine, ironically, in exchange for their nuclear disarmament. I feel we've been doing about as much as would be advisable, though, even if it wasn't what was promised. Our allies may not be thinking "Damn, America really sticks to its word and its guns." But they're learning to pull their own weight a bit more in joint action. Likewise, Russia is pretty evil, and Ukraine was and arguably still is a democracy with relatively decent folks and positions, so... I think if we're gonna try to pull the good vs evil card at home, we have to acknowledge evil abroad, condemning and opposing it where plausible, especially where doing so sends a message to other would-be autocratic conquerors. (On which note, I'm not at all opposed to righteousness and moralizing, and think the political right mostly has the right of it... Which is part of why I think we need our leaders to be accountable and actually on board with what they're supposed to be doing, including respecting the law and the constitution.) At the same time, balancing that with costs to the American public is roughly what I feel America and Congress's approach to Ukraine thus far has been doing.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on September 22, 2023, 08:43:23 AM
Ukraine is a corrupt, oligarchical shithole, to call it a "democracy" is a serious stretch of the word. The only reason the US has been defending it is because it's their money-laundering vehicle of choice since winding down the "war on terror".

To say it's "gone well" is delusional in the extreme. 400,000 Ukrainians dead, billions pissed away, no change to the lines on the map, and now the vultures are fleeing and taking their money with them.

I wonder how long before Zelensky runs off to one of his havens abroad with all the money he's been siphoning off?
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on September 22, 2023, 01:06:53 PM
Ukraine was a functioning democracy prior to the invasion. That's arguably changed to some extent since the invasion, but I would still call them a democratic nation. I see no solid evidence of US money laundering. Rather, I see us giving money to Ukraine rather than using it on earmarks and the like at home, which are arguably legalized money laundering. Unsurprising, then, that it would be unpopular with many who would rather control and use that money by keeping it in the hands of the American government. They also likely can't countenance even small amounts of money spent to do the job on the international stage of direct military spending, when they are so tied-in to the US military industrial complex (though I do absolutely support our military and strengthening our position there, there is also a law of diminishing returns). Not to say there isn't corruption or waste in Ukraine, there has been a fight against that for a long time, but the cause being supported is decent, and that money does indeed go to fighting Russia, to varying degrees of efficiency and efficacy.

On which note, Russia has been failing due to much heavier internal corruption, as well as poor decisions, sure. But also because Ukraine has been fighting with the support of the world behind it, as led by US efforts. This matters because it sends a message to other would-be autocratic conquerors. It also matters in that I doubt without US engagement with the issue things would have gone anywhere near as well. Not just from a Ukrainian perspective, but also in that NATO members and US allies seem to finally be waking up and starting to try and pull their own weight from a national security perspective. But yes, also in that Ukraine has not been conquered by Russia. Not even close, despite all the efforts Russia has mustered, and despite it wearing down its sword of autocratic expansion abroad and power and support at home.

On which note, Zelensky has had plenty of opportunities to leave, and Russia very much wants him dead in part because of his persistence. Much though I disagree with him on many things, I'll give him this: The guy seems to care about this war and is putting his life on the line for his people. 

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Kiero on September 22, 2023, 01:28:42 PM
Wow. That is quite possibly the most naive post I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Authoritarianism!
Post by: consolcwby on September 23, 2023, 07:13:43 PM
HERE COMES THE FEDS:
+==========================================================================================+
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/09/21/biden-taps-vp-harris-lead-executive-level-gun-control-office/
When President Joe Biden announces the new executive-level Office of Gun Violence Prevention on Friday, he will name Vice President Kamala Harris as the one to oversee the office. Harris also noted, “The new Office of Gun Violence Prevention will play a critical role in implementing President Biden’s and my efforts to reduce violence to the fullest extent under the law, while also engaging and encouraging Congressional leaders, state and local leaders, and advocates to come together to build upon the meaningful progress that we have made to save lives.”

She started out as the border czar, was the border fix or did it get worse, do people see the invasion, do people see this as a national security threat, do the people want a wall and secure border, mission accomplish, the people see it now. Kamala will go after the 2nd amendment and the people’s weapons, they are not going to beat around the bush, they are coming for the weapons, not just ar 15 all of them, this is their 16 year plan, the people are about to get a wake up call!!!

The Times reveals, “According to published reports, the office will be staffed by gun control activists from Everytown for Gun Safety, the organization started by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and the Community Justice Action Fund.” The executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb, told the Times that simply puts the gun ban lobby “on the White House payroll.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/biden-install-anti-2nd-amendment-activists-white-house/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=biden-install-anti-2nd-amendment-activists-white-house
+==========================================================================================+
The GovernMint is cumming for our writes! (and our RIGHTS!)
*Despair Spreading*
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Authoritarianism!
Post by: 3catcircus on September 25, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
HERE COMES THE FEDS:
+==========================================================================================+
https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/09/21/biden-taps-vp-harris-lead-executive-level-gun-control-office/
When President Joe Biden announces the new executive-level Office of Gun Violence Prevention on Friday, he will name Vice President Kamala Harris as the one to oversee the office. Harris also noted, “The new Office of Gun Violence Prevention will play a critical role in implementing President Biden’s and my efforts to reduce violence to the fullest extent under the law, while also engaging and encouraging Congressional leaders, state and local leaders, and advocates to come together to build upon the meaningful progress that we have made to save lives.”

She started out as the border czar, was the border fix or did it get worse, do people see the invasion, do people see this as a national security threat, do the people want a wall and secure border, mission accomplish, the people see it now. Kamala will go after the 2nd amendment and the people’s weapons, they are not going to beat around the bush, they are coming for the weapons, not just ar 15 all of them, this is their 16 year plan, the people are about to get a wake up call!!!

The Times reveals, “According to published reports, the office will be staffed by gun control activists from Everytown for Gun Safety, the organization started by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and the Community Justice Action Fund.” The executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb, told the Times that simply puts the gun ban lobby “on the White House payroll.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/biden-install-anti-2nd-amendment-activists-white-house/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=biden-install-anti-2nd-amendment-activists-white-house
+==========================================================================================+
The GovernMint is cumming for our writes! (and our RIGHTS!)
*Despair Spreading*

They can try to their black hearts' desire.  SCOTUS has been clear and challenges to states infringing laws have been successful to date - there is likely already a lawsuit waiting and ready to go on day one of this. The NM gov tried and got her twat kicked in for it, even from other commies in her own party.

More importantly - are they going to try and physically confiscate weapons? Got news for you - the rural populace won't stand for it. Go ahead and try to, say, do that in a traditional gun-friendly place like southern Louisiana - at night, the woods there whisper in broken French...  Likewise gutter Spanish in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico. And don't even get me started on the Appalachians and the Ozarks or pretty much all of the northwest. One drunk redneck with a basic machine shop can equip an entire militia inexpensively - just take a look at PSA and Fenix Ammo.

We *already* have Sheriffs who are refusing to enforce unconstitutional gun laws, and at least one instance of local LEOs arresting an ATF agent for unlawful conduct.

Hillbillies with AR15s can't possibly win against gubmint tanks and machine guns?  The Viet Cong and the Afghans have already laughed at that notion.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Exploderwizard on September 29, 2023, 10:47:29 AM
Everyone just relax. Kamala "border czar" Harris was put in charge of this. She can't even speak coherently without spouting word salad nonsense. With her in charge of the operation the amount of effect it will have will be similar to the effect her efforts had on border security. If that holds true then we can expect more gun freedom than ever.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on October 13, 2023, 02:07:38 PM
  So can we add the latest calamity under sleepy Joe's watch to the list? 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on October 13, 2023, 06:47:56 PM
Everyone just relax. Kamala "border czar" Harris was put in charge of this. She can't even speak coherently without spouting word salad nonsense. With her in charge of the operation the amount of effect it will have will be similar to the effect her efforts had on border security. If that holds true then we can expect more gun freedom than ever.

Greetings!

Kamala Harris! *Laughing* She is such a pathetic, worthless whore. So stupid, cackling and giggling all the time. Then she runs her mouth about so many things she has absolutely no fucking knowledge about.

Remember in the election primaries when Kamala's presidential campaign was getting like, 1% support and her campaign collapsed in total failure?

And yet, somehow, this pathetic, corrupt woman was chosen to the Vice President of the country. She is such an embarrassment. She reminds me of the welfare mommies that cackle and gossip in the front of a 7-11.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: KindaMeh on November 18, 2023, 03:41:38 PM
Just gonna leave this here, since apparently the left has been decrying the right's border focus of late. In part on the basis that things are "going well" as regards illegal immigration and cetera.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4292447-biden-2-0-the-us-could-double-its-undocumented-immigrant-population/



The Biden administration has been engaging in rather obvious sabotage of its own border. Harris can be proud, apparently, of at least that.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Exploderwizard on November 18, 2023, 10:57:21 PM
Just gonna leave this here, since apparently the left has been decrying the right's border focus of late. In part on the basis that things are "going well" as regards illegal immigration and cetera.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4292447-biden-2-0-the-us-could-double-its-undocumented-immigrant-population/



The Biden administration has been engaging in rather obvious sabotage of its own border. Harris can be proud, apparently, of at least that.

This is not immigration. What we have going on at the border is a flat out invasion. The US government is NOT bungling this, they are actively facilitating it. There have already been instances of large groups of military aged males planting foreign flags on US soil. That is a clear act of war. Ammo up and stay frosty. When their numbers reach a critical mass this army will be coming to a neighborhood near you.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on November 20, 2023, 10:13:44 AM
  No army will come...it already came.  If you let people just come in, never assimilate, and subsidize them producing children at high rates.... There is no need for a fight.  The people just end up taking over via voting and there is never any army that has to fight.  It does however end up the same way (alien culture controlling your nation) just without the hard part (coming in and fighting is really, really hard). 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on November 21, 2023, 03:39:40 PM
This is not immigration. What we have going on at the border is a flat out invasion. The US government is NOT bungling this, they are actively facilitating it. There have already been instances of large groups of military aged males planting foreign flags on US soil. That is a clear act of war. Ammo up and stay frosty. When their numbers reach a critical mass this army will be coming to a neighborhood near you.
  No army will come...it already came.  If you let people just come in, never assimilate, and subsidize them producing children at high rates.... There is no need for a fight.  The people just end up taking over via voting and there is never any army that has to fight.  It does however end up the same way (alien culture controlling your nation) just without the hard part (coming in and fighting is really, really hard).

I tend to agree with oggsmash here. And we've seen it before. The U.S. has largely unrestricted immigration from the late 1800s through 1924 (except for the Chinese Exclusion Act). During this time, it lost its center of Anglo-Saxon Protestant majority, and the culture shifted significantly with Irish, Italians, and Eastern Europeans. (Along with this came a spike in crime, particularly during Prohibition when foreign-born crime families became dominant.)

I think it is in the process of shifting during the current period as well.

What bugs me about the border situation is that the core issue is U.S. employers who are willing to hire undocumented immigrants as cheaper labor -- and neither side is willing to prosecute the employers. If Americans stopped hiring undocumented immigrants, then the border issue would disappear. But the status is that we already had 10 million or more undocumented workers before Biden, and it would completely upend a lot of the economy if we got rid of all of them.

By hiring them, we are largely responsible for the problem -- just like we are largely responsible for the Mexican cartels by buying their illegal drugs. Fixing our side should be the priority.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on November 21, 2023, 04:21:14 PM
       I think the mistake there is thinking the government does not want MASSIVE numbers of illegals/refugees/whatever you want to call them so long as they are not white.   Someone calling shots somewhere wants less white folks in the USA.  So yeah, fixing our side is the priority for certain.  I just think my solution is not going to look anything like your solution.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: jhkim on November 21, 2023, 05:27:26 PM
       I think the mistake there is thinking the government does not want MASSIVE numbers of illegals/refugees/whatever you want to call them so long as they are not white.   Someone calling shots somewhere wants less white folks in the USA.  So yeah, fixing our side is the priority for certain.  I just think my solution is not going to look anything like your solution.

I think corporate interests don't give a damn about being white or not. It's about being willing to work cheaply and having limited rights.

If they could import undocumented Eastern Europeans easily who would work just as cheaply as Central Americans, then they'd do that.

The economics are that it's cheaper to draw from Central America.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Exploderwizard on November 22, 2023, 08:20:55 AM
       I think the mistake there is thinking the government does not want MASSIVE numbers of illegals/refugees/whatever you want to call them so long as they are not white.   Someone calling shots somewhere wants less white folks in the USA.  So yeah, fixing our side is the priority for certain.  I just think my solution is not going to look anything like your solution.

I think corporate interests don't give a damn about being white or not. It's about being willing to work cheaply and having limited rights.

If they could import undocumented Eastern Europeans easily who would work just as cheaply as Central Americans, then they'd do that.

The economics are that it's cheaper to draw from Central America.

There is another agenda at play. Immigration for white Christians is monitored and limited while third world invaders from everywhere are allowed to pour across the border in droves. It is because they know that the Eastern Europeans will assimilate and they do not want that. There is a crusade to wipe out western civilization and white Christians in particular, so adding a flood of more of them into the country must be prevented.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on November 29, 2023, 11:16:32 AM
       I think the mistake there is thinking the government does not want MASSIVE numbers of illegals/refugees/whatever you want to call them so long as they are not white.   Someone calling shots somewhere wants less white folks in the USA.  So yeah, fixing our side is the priority for certain.  I just think my solution is not going to look anything like your solution.

I think corporate interests don't give a damn about being white or not. It's about being willing to work cheaply and having limited rights.

If they could import undocumented Eastern Europeans easily who would work just as cheaply as Central Americans, then they'd do that.

The economics are that it's cheaper to draw from Central America.

  No.  White people are flat out less manageable.  Take a look at who supports the 2A demographically.   Take a look at who supports the 1A demographically.   Corporations or at least their owners want a serf class period.  They are not interested even a little in yeoman and certainly not a ladder where a serf can become an aristocrat.  It just turns out that old conqueror/adventurer whatever that is in white people (especially western europeans) is a bother.   Much like the king of england in braveheart....its just better to breed them out seems to be the conclusion.  So you are correct about they want it easily, but your reasoning is wrong (simply economics).   Because if what you said was true there would not be WAVES of people making their way from Africa and the middle east to south of the border to then walk across.  Much like the people walking across Mexico to get there...you think they are doing that on savings?  They are funded and aided at every turn by people who seem to have a dedicated purpose to bring as many as fast as they can.

  It also sure as hell isnt for cheap labor seeing as how many of them instantly become government dependants.  The cheap labor thing is history from when Mexico was sending people here en masse.   This is not Mexican "cheap labor", this is waves of people rolling in collecting federal subsidization to live and dropping anchors left and right.   This is also 100 percent preventable and repairable...but strangely no one with the power to stop it or fix it seems interested at all in doing so.   That is not an accident or a mistake.

   Add in we all know AI and to a massive degree simple automation is going to make a whole lot of low skill jobs disappear in a poof.  So there is no legitimate economic, social, or national interest reason at all to take on this many...frankly...useless people into the country.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on November 29, 2023, 11:22:47 AM
  As for those same corporations...they do all they can to be less white at all areas in said corporation.  This is endorsed by the Federal government.  Affirmative action is nothing more than a measure to have less white men employed at all stages (from lower skilled to the highest paid) of employment in the USA.  It is insidious. 

  One of the big problems there though is tech...many of those positions you have to get people who know what they are doing because it has to work.   Nothing better than being in a training course for IT or a classroom focused on programming/networking/IT and the instructor constantly (like every day) asks if we (room full of white dudes) know any women or people of color we can encourage to get enrolled in IT training.   I always wonder what an instructor expects from this constant request...as if the men in the room are supposed to try to find a person to replace themselves....
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Exploderwizard on November 30, 2023, 07:43:30 AM
  As for those same corporations...they do all they can to be less white at all areas in said corporation.  This is endorsed by the Federal government.  Affirmative action is nothing more than a measure to have less white men employed at all stages (from lower skilled to the highest paid) of employment in the USA.  It is insidious. 

  One of the big problems there though is tech...many of those positions you have to get people who know what they are doing because it has to work.   Nothing better than being in a training course for IT or a classroom focused on programming/networking/IT and the instructor constantly (like every day) asks if we (room full of white dudes) know any women or people of color we can encourage to get enrolled in IT training.   I always wonder what an instructor expects from this constant request...as if the men in the room are supposed to try to find a person to replace themselves....

This is not mere economic replacement. This is a full scale invasion. Once they have sufficient numbers to activate them, then the measures to eradicate white men will no longer be through social channels. Be prepared or be victims.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on November 30, 2023, 01:38:40 PM
 If it were just the USA I could try to at least look at an economic angle...but since for some odd reason England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, France, etc all seem to really, really need a huge flood of migrants as well at the exact same time....it looks extremely dubious.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: GeekyBugle on November 30, 2023, 02:21:48 PM
  As for those same corporations...they do all they can to be less white at all areas in said corporation.  This is endorsed by the Federal government.  Affirmative action is nothing more than a measure to have less white men employed at all stages (from lower skilled to the highest paid) of employment in the USA.  It is insidious. 

  One of the big problems there though is tech...many of those positions you have to get people who know what they are doing because it has to work.   Nothing better than being in a training course for IT or a classroom focused on programming/networking/IT and the instructor constantly (like every day) asks if we (room full of white dudes) know any women or people of color we can encourage to get enrolled in IT training.   I always wonder what an instructor expects from this constant request...as if the men in the room are supposed to try to find a person to replace themselves....

This is not mere economic replacement. This is a full scale invasion. Once they have sufficient numbers to activate them, then the measures to eradicate white men will no longer be through social channels. Be prepared or be victims.

Oh you sweet summer child, you think it'll be ONLY white men? They are comming for the Christians too, and the Jews, and the Pagans, and the Atheists.

Our overlords made ONE crucial mistake, they think they can use Islam to their benefit, they can't. The Scorpion they placed on our collective backs will also sting them, because it's an scorpion and that's what scorpions do.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on December 01, 2023, 09:43:25 AM
  As for those same corporations...they do all they can to be less white at all areas in said corporation.  This is endorsed by the Federal government.  Affirmative action is nothing more than a measure to have less white men employed at all stages (from lower skilled to the highest paid) of employment in the USA.  It is insidious. 

  One of the big problems there though is tech...many of those positions you have to get people who know what they are doing because it has to work.   Nothing better than being in a training course for IT or a classroom focused on programming/networking/IT and the instructor constantly (like every day) asks if we (room full of white dudes) know any women or people of color we can encourage to get enrolled in IT training.   I always wonder what an instructor expects from this constant request...as if the men in the room are supposed to try to find a person to replace themselves....

This is not mere economic replacement. This is a full scale invasion. Once they have sufficient numbers to activate them, then the measures to eradicate white men will no longer be through social channels. Be prepared or be victims.

Oh you sweet summer child, you think it'll be ONLY white men? They are comming for the Christians too, and the Jews, and the Pagans, and the Atheists.

Our overlords made ONE crucial mistake, they think they can use Islam to their benefit, they can't. The Scorpion they placed on our collective backs will also sting them, because it's an scorpion and that's what scorpions do.

  Oh its White men first for certain, otherwise we would see the insane migrant numbers going into nations like Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Germany, etc going into all nations.   I think Christianity is on the "list" but certainly further down.  The other things....no idea.  I just can clearly see and so can everyone else that Nations with a dominant Western European population are priority number 1. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on December 03, 2023, 07:13:01 AM
       I think the mistake there is thinking the government does not want MASSIVE numbers of illegals/refugees/whatever you want to call them so long as they are not white.   Someone calling shots somewhere wants less white folks in the USA.  So yeah, fixing our side is the priority for certain.  I just think my solution is not going to look anything like your solution.

I think corporate interests don't give a damn about being white or not. It's about being willing to work cheaply and having limited rights.

If they could import undocumented Eastern Europeans easily who would work just as cheaply as Central Americans, then they'd do that.

The economics are that it's cheaper to draw from Central America.

There is another agenda at play. Immigration for white Christians is monitored and limited while third world invaders from everywhere are allowed to pour across the border in droves. It is because they know that the Eastern Europeans will assimilate and they do not want that. There is a crusade to wipe out western civilization and white Christians in particular, so adding a flood of more of them into the country must be prevented.

Greetings!

Definitely an agenda, and very much intentional, my friend.

I agree entirely. All of this needs to be resisted and crushed.

Ireland is experiencing the results from "Diversity is our strength!" and enforced multi-cultural immigration. It has all been set in place by the UN Agenda 2030 program. This train has been set in motion, and Ireland will be made into a fucking UN ghetto. The larger plan, of course, is the corruption of Western Civilization. Having a huge cesspool of uneducated, multicultural sheep that are dependent upon the nanny-state government. Strong, White nations that are independent, aggressive, and powerful interferes with the establishment of the new globalism, and the New World Order. So, these stubborn, educated, independent White nations need to be corrupted, and destroyed.

We are seeing this plan also unfold right here in America. It isn't just Ireland. The whole world must be completely conditioned for their Global masters, and the new order to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on December 03, 2023, 10:12:25 AM
Greetings!

Definitely an agenda, and very much intentional, my friend.

I agree entirely. All of this needs to be resisted and crushed.

Ireland is experiencing the results from "Diversity is our strength!" and enforced multi-cultural immigration. It has all been set in place by the UN Agenda 2030 program. This train has been set in motion, and Ireland will be made into a fucking UN ghetto. The larger plan, of course, is the corruption of Western Civilization. Having a huge cesspool of uneducated, multicultural sheep that are dependent upon the nanny-state government. Strong, White nations that are independent, aggressive, and powerful interferes with the establishment of the new globalism, and the New World Order. So, these stubborn, educated, independent White nations need to be corrupted, and destroyed.

We are seeing this plan also unfold right here in America. It isn't just Ireland. The whole world must be completely conditioned for their Global masters, and the new order to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
As you stated with the cycle of strong and weak men; the fundamental problem the would-be globalists have is that they are the weak men; most only have the wealth and power they do from inheritance or narcissistic charisma… not through much legitimate ability or knowledge.

They live mortal fear of strong man rising up, since once they do they’re done for. So the must oppress more and more. But that in turn increases the odds of strong men unable to abide by the tyranny of the weak come to be.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:36:27 PM
Failure of the Earth Rider

President Biden, Duluth, MN. 25 Jan 2023.

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The beer brewed here...It is used to make the brewed beer [intelligible] Oh, Earth Rider. Thanks for the Great Lakes. I wonder why.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on January 26, 2024, 02:17:27 AM
  Well I might have spoken a bit too early now that the Texas Governor is growing a set an invoking the invasion clause.  Perhaps this invasion will be properly dealt with (all illegals..including "asylum" a bullshit word being used as lawfare crap)  and all repelled and all illegals expelled.  Who knows.  Might get interesting with feds and Texas national guard getting testy around one another.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on January 26, 2024, 04:02:11 AM
  Well I might have spoken a bit too early now that the Texas Governor is growing a set an invoking the invasion clause.  Perhaps this invasion will be properly dealt with (all illegals..including "asylum" a bullshit word being used as lawfare crap)  and all repelled and all illegals expelled.  Who knows.  Might get interesting with feds and Texas national guard getting testy around one another.

As I have said in other threads multiple times, the people who have the capacity and willingness to act are simply waiting for the right time. After every legal and reasonable means is exhausted, then violence is the last and only resort. American revolutionaries didn't randomly just start shooting redcoats, they tried to do everything they could first because they knew once the shots were fired there was no getting the toothpaste back in the tube. Pretty sure they didn't use tubed toothpaste, but whatever.

This Texas stuff is very uhhh...close to me. Literally. I have property VERY close to Eagle Pass that I visit quite frequently, so let's just say I have an extremely vested interest in how this plays out. If if the Feds decide to push their luck, they are going to quickly find out what it means to poke the bear.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on January 26, 2024, 08:38:38 AM
  Well I might have spoken a bit too early now that the Texas Governor is growing a set an invoking the invasion clause.  Perhaps this invasion will be properly dealt with (all illegals..including "asylum" a bullshit word being used as lawfare crap)  and all repelled and all illegals expelled.  Who knows.  Might get interesting with feds and Texas national guard getting testy around one another.

As I have said in other threads multiple times, the people who have the capacity and willingness to act are simply waiting for the right time. After every legal and reasonable means is exhausted, then violence is the last and only resort. American revolutionaries didn't randomly just start shooting redcoats, they tried to do everything they could first because they knew once the shots were fired there was no getting the toothpaste back in the tube. Pretty sure they didn't use tubed toothpaste, but whatever.

This Texas stuff is very uhhh...close to me. Literally. I have property VERY close to Eagle Pass that I visit quite frequently, so let's just say I have an extremely vested interest in how this plays out. If if the Feds decide to push their luck, they are going to quickly find out what it means to poke the bear.
“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.

“They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

“The moment the Men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these Men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives.

“They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy… but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

– Author Unknown

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on January 26, 2024, 06:03:09 PM
  Well I might have spoken a bit too early now that the Texas Governor is growing a set an invoking the invasion clause.  Perhaps this invasion will be properly dealt with (all illegals..including "asylum" a bullshit word being used as lawfare crap)  and all repelled and all illegals expelled.  Who knows.  Might get interesting with feds and Texas national guard getting testy around one another.

As I have said in other threads multiple times, the people who have the capacity and willingness to act are simply waiting for the right time. After every legal and reasonable means is exhausted, then violence is the last and only resort. American revolutionaries didn't randomly just start shooting redcoats, they tried to do everything they could first because they knew once the shots were fired there was no getting the toothpaste back in the tube. Pretty sure they didn't use tubed toothpaste, but whatever.

This Texas stuff is very uhhh...close to me. Literally. I have property VERY close to Eagle Pass that I visit quite frequently, so let's just say I have an extremely vested interest in how this plays out. If if the Feds decide to push their luck, they are going to quickly find out what it means to poke the bear.

  I agree about the time, I saw a guy say something along the lines of we will bear the evils of government and go about our lives for so long as we can bear them.   When they become intolerable we have it as a duty to remove the government and start again.   Something like that.  An author who I can not remember his name (and he may have stolen it) compared right leaning people to people with a violence "switch" instead of a knob.   I think this is accurate and I also think the feds are for some reason trying to hard to boil the frog too fast.   This is looking like a miscalculation and might result in...something interesting.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on February 10, 2024, 07:27:40 PM
  Well I might have spoken a bit too early now that the Texas Governor is growing a set an invoking the invasion clause.  Perhaps this invasion will be properly dealt with (all illegals..including "asylum" a bullshit word being used as lawfare crap)  and all repelled and all illegals expelled.  Who knows.  Might get interesting with feds and Texas national guard getting testy around one another.

As I have said in other threads multiple times, the people who have the capacity and willingness to act are simply waiting for the right time. After every legal and reasonable means is exhausted, then violence is the last and only resort. American revolutionaries didn't randomly just start shooting redcoats, they tried to do everything they could first because they knew once the shots were fired there was no getting the toothpaste back in the tube. Pretty sure they didn't use tubed toothpaste, but whatever.

This Texas stuff is very uhhh...close to me. Literally. I have property VERY close to Eagle Pass that I visit quite frequently, so let's just say I have an extremely vested interest in how this plays out. If if the Feds decide to push their luck, they are going to quickly find out what it means to poke the bear.

  I agree about the time, I saw a guy say something along the lines of we will bear the evils of government and go about our lives for so long as we can bear them.   When they become intolerable we have it as a duty to remove the government and start again.   Something like that.  An author who I can not remember his name (and he may have stolen it) compared right leaning people to people with a violence "switch" instead of a knob.   I think this is accurate and I also think the feds are for some reason trying to hard to boil the frog too fast.   This is looking like a miscalculation and might result in...something interesting.

From the very first "punch a Nazi" antifa riot, they've only ever really encountered those who are not used to violence.  The moment someone who is able to effectively defend themselves punches back, they immediately cry foul.  Look at Kyle Rittenhouse - three shots while under attack, three hits including two kills. All three convicted criminals. (what are the odds that they would all be convicted criminals). His level of tactical proficiency exceeded all expectations and was demonstrably better than a lot of small town police forces.

Now take that and multiply by many many more. Many of whom are combat veterans who still maintain tactical and technical proficiency.  Federal law enforcement has a lot of toys but their tactical proficiency is not consistent. That, and there would be some rank-and-file who refuse to go along with DC. 

It'll all get real spicy if it happens...
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Brad on February 10, 2024, 07:36:16 PM
It'll all get real spicy if it happens...

The push for Civil War 2.0 is real, and the people doing it know exactly what will happen. The issue is the retards they're using to incite violence don't. As has been said many, many times, the first people up against the wall during a Marxist revolution are the useful idiots.

Speaking of the thread title (Biden), how about that press conference...so you're literally a dementia patient but also have 100% cognitive ability. Explain this to me.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on February 10, 2024, 07:57:46 PM
It'll all get real spicy if it happens...

The push for Civil War 2.0 is real, and the people doing it know exactly what will happen. The issue is the retards they're using to incite violence don't. As has been said many, many times, the first people up against the wall during a Marxist revolution are the useful idiots.

Speaking of the thread title (Biden), how about that press conference...so you're literally a dementia patient but also have 100% cognitive ability. Explain this to me.

They're killing two birds.  Too feeb to run again and to be put on trial for his criminal acts.

I don't buy that argument. He willfully stole classified material and improperly marked his classified notes going back to when he was a Senator and then blamed his staff...  His staff wouldn't have had to been put in a position to be blamed if they weren't shuffling around material he kept.

One can argue either way about whether or not Trump's "I declassified all that when I was Pres" was sufficient to have made it so, but Biden had no such privilege when he was VP or Senator. 

I don't care that he could be in court not knowing where he is - his crimes were committed when he had his full faculties. We can be merciful and put him in a medium security prison...

What no one is asking is the most important question. Who actually is making decisions while Biden drools on himself?  I remember all the leftists pooh-poohing the Trump campaign when Biden's wranglers would call a lid by noon during the 2020 campaign - when we all knew that dementia sufferers are most lucid early in the day.  That they aren't even trying to manage the Waterhead's public engagements shows that they have no fear of the truth being out because Congress would never act on 25th Amendment. That's what people who think themselves above the law do.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 10, 2024, 07:59:12 PM
It'll all get real spicy if it happens...

The push for Civil War 2.0 is real, and the people doing it know exactly what will happen. The issue is the retards they're using to incite violence don't. As has been said many, many times, the first people up against the wall during a Marxist revolution are the useful idiots.

Speaking of the thread title (Biden), how about that press conference...so you're literally a dementia patient but also have 100% cognitive ability. Explain this to me.

That was painful to watch. I've gone far beyond despising Biden to pitying him as the barely-conscious puppet that they've turned him into.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: 3catcircus on February 10, 2024, 08:17:50 PM
It'll all get real spicy if it happens...

The push for Civil War 2.0 is real, and the people doing it know exactly what will happen. The issue is the retards they're using to incite violence don't. As has been said many, many times, the first people up against the wall during a Marxist revolution are the useful idiots.

Speaking of the thread title (Biden), how about that press conference...so you're literally a dementia patient but also have 100% cognitive ability. Explain this to me.

That was painful to watch. I've gone far beyond despising Biden to pitying him as the barely-conscious puppet that they've turned him into.

You can pity what he is now, but it doesn't make up for his decades of obscenely blatant criminal activities.  The guy is a degenerate compulsive liar. The guy's been described as an unremarkable student in high school and college, which translates to he cheated his way all the way through school.  He plagiarized a law review article *while attending law school* and they still let him graduate - he was corrupt from the get-go and we would have been better off if he had died in infancy.

Anyone with any common sense *knows* what those type of corrupt scumbags are and he should have never gotten any further than a Lionel Hutz/Saul Goodman law practice. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on February 11, 2024, 08:28:07 AM
Being wicked and pitiable are not mutually exclusive.

God desires even his soul be saved, so I hope someone of faith is able to reach him in whatever lucid moments remain to him so he can repent of his wickedness (note that repentance means accepting responsibility for one’s actions and their consequences, not getting away with it).

His whole family is ostensibly Catholic and could use an exorcism from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2024, 10:53:21 PM
His masters have given Jon Stewart permission to poke fun at Biden.



Looks like the Democrats are showing ole Joe the door.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Grognard GM on February 16, 2024, 01:26:41 AM
Hang all of their sins on Biden just before he dies, then act saintly.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on February 16, 2024, 07:17:35 AM
Hang all of their sins on Biden just before he dies, then act saintly.
  Which is infuriating because it is not as if the guy just now has degenerated mentally.   I think he is the same as he was pre election, the more time in front of a camera is the only difference (and likely a tolerance to whatever they shoot him up on before he speaks in public) as he was retarded already.  I guess it was a masterful "out" built in to pretend he was fine so if he destroys the country those idiots who voted for him could pretend they didnt know.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: blackstone on February 16, 2024, 08:24:24 AM
"Poor kids are just a good as white kids." - Joe Biden

Swear to God, I heard those words right from his mouth.

Senile of bastard has no idea what he's saying or doing.

Democrats are going to loose the White House.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Grognard GM on February 16, 2024, 01:31:24 PM
It was always about getting unelectable Harris in by the back door. I believe they're surprised he didn't die yet, as they were planning for V.P. becoming interim President, then incumbency leading to 8+ years of President Harris.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Aglondir on March 09, 2024, 12:21:05 AM
"Pennsylvania, I have a message for you: send me to Congress!" (President Joe Biden, 8 Mar 2024)







Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: oggsmash on March 26, 2024, 12:30:15 PM
  Looks like going after Trump through proxies at every corner is not going so well for Biden and making Trump a shitload of money on his Truth Social holdings. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: yosemitemike on March 27, 2024, 05:27:29 AM
"Poor kids are just a good as white kids." - Joe Biden

Swear to God, I heard those words right from his mouth.

Senile of bastard has no idea what he's saying or doing.

Democrats are going to loose the White House.

Biden has been babbling nonsense like that for his entire career.  The media has been downplaying all of the stupid, incoherent shit he says for decades.  Biden made a lil gaffe again.  Oopsie Doopsie.  He's a damn fool and always has been. 
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Daztur on March 27, 2024, 08:15:40 AM
It was always about getting unelectable Harris in by the back door. I believe they're surprised he didn't die yet, as they were planning for V.P. becoming interim President, then incumbency leading to 8+ years of President Harris.

Why would people be invested in Harris specifically? She's not popular among the democratic base (for doing horrible things like fighting against the release of a man who had already been proven to be wrongfully convicted: www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/daniel-larsen-murder-conviction-overturned-innocence-project/2058098) and there's a hundred other establishment politicians who could fill the same role as her.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: Chris24601 on March 27, 2024, 11:14:27 AM
Why get Harris in? Because if destruction is your goal, putting bonafide idiots in charge is a great way to achieve it and because the best way to ensure you’re not impeached or removed is make the alternative even worse.

Biden’s people have pretty much rigged the game so that nothing short of his death will keep him off the ticket. The majority of the insiders at the DNC are Biden cronies and the next in line is someone even more hated than him and that is politically unremovable by the DNC because she’s a black woman.

Meanwhile, RFK Jr. has gone and nuked the Dems’ hope of him splitting the vote enough to throw the 2024 election into Congress by picking a hard Left Soros/WEF-backed nutjob meant to appeal to the Bernie-Bros instead of on-the-fence Trump supporters.

This is what is to be expected of late-stage Cronyism where loyalty to the grift is rewarded over competence. The house of cards is in the process of collapsing and all they know how to do is double-down on stupid.
Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: SHARK on March 27, 2024, 06:47:41 PM
Greetings!

Even while we go through chais, it is nice to see some beautiful things still existing.

Here is the USS New Jersey, one of America's proudest and greatest warships ever built, being moved today into drydock at Philadelphia Naval Yard.

You may never see this ship again. One can always hope though! OOH RAH!!!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: Biden's Cascade of Failure!
Post by: yosemitemike on March 28, 2024, 06:00:12 AM
Why would people be invested in Harris specifically? She's not popular among the democratic base (for doing horrible things like fighting against the release of a man who had already been proven to be wrongfully convicted: www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/daniel-larsen-murder-conviction-overturned-innocence-project/2058098) and there's a hundred other establishment politicians who could fill the same role as her.

The Democrat establishment is very enamored of the idea of having a woman who isn't white as President.  Harris fits the bill.  There's just one little problem.  She couldn't get any traction even within her own party.  There's no way she could win in the general election.  They really like the image of her in the White House though so there she is.