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Author Topic: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.  (Read 2230 times)

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2021, 12:30:01 PM »
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.

Radio host cracks me up with his Biden jokes. Idk but I think the reason republicans have not pushed for impeachment is there’s really nothing to be gained from it. Dems as a majority is something I hope I never get to experience again.
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2021, 01:57:18 PM »
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.

Radio host cracks me up with his Biden jokes. Idk but I think the reason republicans have not pushed for impeachment is there’s really nothing to be gained from it. Dems as a majority is something I hope I never get to experience again.

You don't impeach a president for dementia.  Impeachment is for 'treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors'.  The 25th amendment to the United States Constitution allows for the removal of a president who is incapacitated. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2021, 02:28:55 PM »
Biden is not, in my opinion, any more impared than Trump is. Read from that what you will.

On the world stage, especially when compared to European polititians, Biden is a centrist with some right-leaning policies. In the United States, he's moderately left, but nowhere near the progressive/leftist wing of the Democratic Party (read Bernie Sanders or AOC).

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2021, 02:39:09 PM »
Biden is not, in my opinion, any more impared than Trump is. Read from that what you will.

On the world stage, especially when compared to European polititians, Biden is a centrist with some right-leaning policies. In the United States, he's moderately left, but nowhere near the progressive/leftist wing of the Democratic Party (read Bernie Sanders or AOC).

There will always be pros and cons to just about anything in life. No one is perfect, but imo we were thriving greatly in the last four years. The past 7 months have undone all progress made, plus more.
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2021, 12:36:39 AM »
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2021, 12:42:17 AM »
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.
I think the real question is whether we should define "moderate" based on the political leadership, or on some measure of the country's overall beliefs. Because despite the electoral process, they don't match. The rulers get nearly everything they want, because the electorate is uninformed and only focuses on a few hot button issues. While the populace is distracted by irrelevancies, the rest of leviathan continues to grow.

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2021, 01:15:10 AM »
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.

  I do not think either of them are moderate.  I also do not think either of them are fringe, or extreme.  I think Biden and Hillary are 100 percent purely whatever is the most politically expedient at all times.   If that means spouting extreme leftist stuff, they are all for it.  If it means being a neocon and arranging for bombing runs or dudes to get knives up their asses, they are all for it.  Biden, especially who has no career or job ever past politics.   He just goes the way he is told to go.  Hillary likely has a good deal more harder leftist roots, but I dont think it matters.  She would sell them out as fast as she would sell out a neo con.  She is whatever she has to be, even if it means keeping hot sauce in her purse.

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2021, 12:30:59 PM »
Regarding his latest speech downplaying our defeat/failed withdraw, and sadly hilarious job recovery. 235k August jobs for a whole country is simply not cutting it. If my math is accurate we are still short 7.3 million jobs since March 2020. Small number for a general population of 350 million, still troubling.

Now he wants big corp to pay their “fair share” like Obama used to say. Now that his approval rating plunged to 45% he’s desperately gas lighting the media on both sides.
The classic condescending speech “the thing is” “everything is great” treating everyone like a bunch chumps. Guess what? Big corp will go to Mexico and China for good.
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2021, 03:00:56 PM »
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.
It's not whataboutism.  It's straight up bullshit.
Here's a link to Reagan being interviewed September 12th,1988!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vhQ1fypOU
It's obviously neither scripted or on teleprompter.
Does that appear to be someone suffering even the slightest hint of dementia?
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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2021, 12:10:54 PM »
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.
It's not whataboutism.  It's straight up bullshit.
Here's a link to Reagan being interviewed September 12th,1988!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vhQ1fypOU
It's obviously neither scripted or on teleprompter.
Does that appear to be someone suffering even the slightest hint of dementia?
Reagan is obviously on a prompter there. Did you watch your own link?  He keeps looking down and to the left, reading something.

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2021, 01:14:05 PM »
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2021, 01:25:50 PM »
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.

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Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2021, 01:51:52 PM »
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.
Liberals are not on the pretend left or right they are those that support limited government, personal responsibility, and freedom. Libertarians are the closest we have to liberals in this nation. The Monopoly statist party I mentioned pretends to care about certain issues to keep people fighting against each other while they grow vastly more powerful and take control of our lives. If you value freedom and limited government you are likely a Liberal. Sadly the pretend left side of the Monopoly party has attempted to hijack that label while opposing everything it represents.

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2021, 02:10:57 PM »
The Monopoly party is not in the center but firmly on the authoritarian line while pretending to be part of the idiotic left right fallacy. Both "sides" want the same thing control over everyone, they pretend to disagree on how to gain that control. Their lies have fallen apart considerably in the last 20 years exposing them as one entity working for themselves under the guidance of a few powerful individuals.

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2021, 02:11:59 PM »
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.
Liberals are not on the pretend left or right they are those that support limited government, personal responsibility, and freedom. Libertarians are the closest we have to liberals in this nation. The Monopoly statist party I mentioned pretends to care about certain issues to keep people fighting against each other while they grow vastly more powerful and take control of our lives. If you value freedom and limited government you are likely a Liberal. Sadly the pretend left side of the Monopoly party has attempted to hijack that label while opposing everything it represents.
Yes, that's the definition I was using. The confusion in the US really started in the 1920s and 1930s, when intellectuals in the US were heavily influenced by the European tradition, specifically the versions of socialism that arose in the late 19th century on the Continent. Many would be lumped in with today's social democrats, but social democrats are still a type of socialist. They composed FDR's Brain Trust, and their actions on the national stage convinced a lot of people that if we only get the right people in place, and give them enough power, then they can manage the economy and society and turn it into a smoothly functioning machine. This is the origin of the US "liberal", who have pushed for a great expansion of the welfare state, from the New Deal through the Great Society and Obamacare, until today. But it's more based on Marxist thought than Locke, Hume, and Adam Smith. It did incorporate some classical liberal principles, which can be seen in the Civil Rights movement (though remember the Civil Rights Act was passed with a higher majority of Republicans than Democrats), but that's been transformed into identity politics, which is fundamentally illiberal. Conversely, the Republicans were the party of Abolition, and while that became eroded as they picked up more support in the South, there still retain some vestiges of esteem for the egalitarian values of the Founding Fathers. The rise of the libertarian movement since the 1980s or so has seen a strong affiliation with the right over the left, largely due to Rothbard, who derided the sci-fi reading casual libertarians as anarcho-communists not true libertarians.
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