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Title: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ocule on August 25, 2021, 11:28:29 AM
As the subject, apparently Joe Biden and his people are far right conservatives. I thought it was just one nutjob saying this but I keep hearing it. Any thoughts on this? My first impression is "we dont actually like him so we are gonna say hes for the team we don't like, despite the fact that my team actually put him in charge"

This world makes less sense every day.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Pat on August 25, 2021, 09:26:43 PM
It's an attempt to shift the Overton window to normalize extremists.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Zelen on August 25, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
What's the context of the assertion? It does seem that Biden is finally getting some pushback because he presided over ending one of the most costly, pointless, and destructive wars in the history of the world. There are, crazily enough, a lot of pro-war advocates who are angry that the US war machine isn't churning out profits.

Pro-War seems to cut across a traditional party lines, but is more Left-aligned since the moral framework used by the pro-war crowd to justify their shameless lust for blood is always spreading "diversity, inclusion, and equity" to areas of the world that don't want it.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Shasarak on August 26, 2021, 12:30:18 AM
What's the context of the assertion? It does seem that Biden is finally getting some pushback because he presided over ending one of the most costly, pointless, and destructive wars in the history of the world.

I will give you costly at least.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
Gaslighting to desperately make up for Biden's dementia and general incompetence.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 09:35:00 AM
If you imagine the political spectrum to be a number line with Anarcho-Communists on the far-left and Fascist Race-Supremacists on the far right you'll find yourself in a place where people can either be left of you or right of you. 

The further you are to the left, the more people exist to your right.  The further you are to the right, the more people exist to your left.  Without arguing about where the middle actually is, there are people who literally cannot tell the difference between people who are center, center-right, right, extreme right.  To them it is all 'right-wing'.  The same can be said about people on the right failing to distinguish differences between people on the left. 

Biden is not farther left than his most leftist supporter.  Therefore he is to the right of them.  Since most people think they're in the middle regardless of how extreme their position is (it's not usually hard to find SOMEONE even more extreme than you even when you're already very extreme), it's easy to think that anyone that is any closer to the center than your extreme position is is actually on the other side.   
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 09:37:28 AM
If you imagine the political spectrum to be a number line with Anarcho-Communists on the far-left and Fascist Race-Supremacists on the far right you'll find yourself in a place where people can either be left of you or right of you. 

The further you are to the left, the more people exist to your right.  The further you are to the right, the more people exist to your left.  Without arguing about where the middle actually is, there are people who literally cannot tell the difference between people who are center, center-right, right, extreme right.  To them it is all 'right-wing'.  The same can be said about people on the right failing to distinguish differences between people on the left. 

Biden is not farther left than his most leftist supporter.  Therefore he is to the right of them.  Since most people think they're in the middle regardless of how extreme their position is (it's not usually hard to find SOMEONE even more extreme than you even when you're already very extreme), it's easy to think that anyone that is any closer to the center than your extreme position is is actually on the other side.
Complicated by the fact that his brains are oozing out of his skull in real time. It's hard to hold any kind of ideology when you're one bad day away from being a vegetable.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 09:40:25 AM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan). 
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 09:44:19 AM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).

  If you think Biden is fine, you may have some mental problems.  I find it interesting you make the point he is fine, and then immediately say it will be fine if he has dementia.   LOL.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 09:59:26 AM
Your point seems to rely on two premises to be true.

1) Biden has dementia.

2) A president with dementia is always a bad thing.

I disagree with your assertion that Biden has dementia.  I've known people with dementia and Biden seems to be functioning better than they were.  Maybe it's a matter of degree. 

In any case, even if Biden does have dementia, it doesn't necessarily follow that is a bad thing.  I think Reagan's dementia is well-documented including during his time in office.  I think that many conservatives rank Reagan somewhere between a 'good president' and a 'great president'.  Therefore, under that criteria, it would be possible for a president with dementia to also be a good president. 
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ratman_tf on August 26, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
I think Biden is coherent. 

I think Biden ranges from barely coherent to flatly incomprehensible.

Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: oggsmash on August 26, 2021, 10:25:45 AM
Your point seems to rely on two premises to be true.

1) Biden has dementia.

2) A president with dementia is always a bad thing.

I disagree with your assertion that Biden has dementia.  I've known people with dementia and Biden seems to be functioning better than they were.  Maybe it's a matter of degree. 

In any case, even if Biden does have dementia, it doesn't necessarily follow that is a bad thing.  I think Reagan's dementia is well-documented including during his time in office.  I think that many conservatives rank Reagan somewhere between a 'good president' and a 'great president'.  Therefore, under that criteria, it would be possible for a president with dementia to also be a good president.

  Reagan got his noodle scrambled after his second election.  I have never said he was a good, or great president, so what conservatives think has nada to do with my opinion.  The government, and reagan's administration blatantly lied about his condition and hid it.   Biden has dementia or some similar form of degradation.   The guy literally has brain damage (two aneurysms) has is fucking O L D.   There is a reason people retire around 65-70.   Again the government is actively covering this up.  I am consistent, thought it was horribad when Regan got covered up, think it is horribad when Biden is covering up.  You seem fine with lying.  Everyone can have their own principles.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 26, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: SonTodoGato on August 26, 2021, 11:16:57 AM
Well, what did you expect from the left? That's their usual trick. When he was competing against Bernie Sanders, he was a sniffer, racist and offender. Then suddenly everyone forgot about it (or tried to justify voting for him even though they "believed all women") and Biden became a hero of the people and questioning him was a sin. Now that his presidency is losing face after withdrawing from Afghanistan, suddenly he's back to right-winger. He wasn't a true democrat

This is the left. It is a cult that's centered around obeying authority, invading personal life and it's fueled by hatred of conservatives. Don't expect any rationality because there is none. Their logic is censorship, lies, social pressure, yelling and accusing others of made up crimes.

I do think though that Biden is not a leftist. He's working on the side of the NWO because that's what's convenient for him. Did anyone really believe a 70-year-old white man would be on the side of antifa and BLM? No leftist leader practices what they preach. Socialism is for the crowd. They handle the money.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ocule on August 26, 2021, 11:20:23 AM
I really wish that this was some obscure conversation I had but it seems to be a general assertion now from a few people on the left. It's entirely possible that these people don't realize just how far off the reservation they have went. I can't actually fathom giving this guy any praise at all, or credit for that matter. If he wasn't such a piece of shit before he went senile I probably would feel bad for the guy, considering that he's such a puppet that I can pretty much assume whatever he says is coming from his handler.

A bumbling fool is what he is on the best of days, when we say he has dementia it's not like some early stages of occasionally confused but this guy is one who probably would need to stay in those specialize dementia care nursing homes that lock the doors so they patient's cant accidently wander outside.

Another thing is the left has this weird idea that they are the resistance or some shit against the corporations and the government, the counterculture. Despite being backed by nearly every major corporation and half the politicians yet they still screech about how corporations = right wing.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on August 26, 2021, 12:30:01 PM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.

Radio host cracks me up with his Biden jokes. Idk but I think the reason republicans have not pushed for impeachment is there’s really nothing to be gained from it. Dems as a majority is something I hope I never get to experience again.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 26, 2021, 01:57:18 PM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.

Radio host cracks me up with his Biden jokes. Idk but I think the reason republicans have not pushed for impeachment is there’s really nothing to be gained from it. Dems as a majority is something I hope I never get to experience again.

You don't impeach a president for dementia.  Impeachment is for 'treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors'.  The 25th amendment to the United States Constitution allows for the removal of a president who is incapacitated. 
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: ScytheSong on August 26, 2021, 02:28:55 PM
Biden is not, in my opinion, any more impared than Trump is. Read from that what you will.

On the world stage, especially when compared to European polititians, Biden is a centrist with some right-leaning policies. In the United States, he's moderately left, but nowhere near the progressive/leftist wing of the Democratic Party (read Bernie Sanders or AOC).
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on August 26, 2021, 02:39:09 PM
Biden is not, in my opinion, any more impared than Trump is. Read from that what you will.

On the world stage, especially when compared to European polititians, Biden is a centrist with some right-leaning policies. In the United States, he's moderately left, but nowhere near the progressive/leftist wing of the Democratic Party (read Bernie Sanders or AOC).

There will always be pros and cons to just about anything in life. No one is perfect, but imo we were thriving greatly in the last four years. The past 7 months have undone all progress made, plus more.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Mistwell on September 01, 2021, 12:36:39 AM
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Pat on September 01, 2021, 12:42:17 AM
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.
I think the real question is whether we should define "moderate" based on the political leadership, or on some measure of the country's overall beliefs. Because despite the electoral process, they don't match. The rulers get nearly everything they want, because the electorate is uninformed and only focuses on a few hot button issues. While the populace is distracted by irrelevancies, the rest of leviathan continues to grow.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: oggsmash on September 01, 2021, 01:15:10 AM
Some progressives I know think the U.S. has no actual "far left" politicians. They think guys like Bernie Sanders would be considered moderate left in many European nations and that Biden would be considered moderate right in those same nations.

I certainly consider Biden far more moderate than most posters here. Same with Hillary Clinton.

  I do not think either of them are moderate.  I also do not think either of them are fringe, or extreme.  I think Biden and Hillary are 100 percent purely whatever is the most politically expedient at all times.   If that means spouting extreme leftist stuff, they are all for it.  If it means being a neocon and arranging for bombing runs or dudes to get knives up their asses, they are all for it.  Biden, especially who has no career or job ever past politics.   He just goes the way he is told to go.  Hillary likely has a good deal more harder leftist roots, but I dont think it matters.  She would sell them out as fast as she would sell out a neo con.  She is whatever she has to be, even if it means keeping hot sauce in her purse.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on September 05, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
Regarding his latest speech downplaying our defeat/failed withdraw, and sadly hilarious job recovery. 235k August jobs for a whole country is simply not cutting it. If my math is accurate we are still short 7.3 million jobs since March 2020. Small number for a general population of 350 million, still troubling.

Now he wants big corp to pay their “fair share” like Obama used to say. Now that his approval rating plunged to 45% he’s desperately gas lighting the media on both sides.
The classic condescending speech “the thing is” “everything is great” treating everyone like a bunch chumps. Guess what? Big corp will go to Mexico and China for good.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: DocJones on September 05, 2021, 03:00:56 PM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.
It's not whataboutism.  It's straight up bullshit.
Here's a link to Reagan being interviewed September 12th,1988!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vhQ1fypOU
It's obviously neither scripted or on teleprompter.
Does that appear to be someone suffering even the slightest hint of dementia?
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Ogre on September 06, 2021, 12:10:54 PM
I think Biden is coherent.  And things went fine the last time we had a president suffering from dementia in office (Ronald Reagan).
Whataboutism to cover up how badly damaged Biden is.

LOL.
It's not whataboutism.  It's straight up bullshit.
Here's a link to Reagan being interviewed September 12th,1988!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80vhQ1fypOU
It's obviously neither scripted or on teleprompter.
Does that appear to be someone suffering even the slightest hint of dementia?
Reagan is obviously on a prompter there. Did you watch your own link?  He keeps looking down and to the left, reading something.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: SirParadox on September 06, 2021, 01:14:05 PM
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Pat on September 06, 2021, 01:25:50 PM
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: SirParadox on September 06, 2021, 01:51:52 PM
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.
Liberals are not on the pretend left or right they are those that support limited government, personal responsibility, and freedom. Libertarians are the closest we have to liberals in this nation. The Monopoly statist party I mentioned pretends to care about certain issues to keep people fighting against each other while they grow vastly more powerful and take control of our lives. If you value freedom and limited government you are likely a Liberal. Sadly the pretend left side of the Monopoly party has attempted to hijack that label while opposing everything it represents.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: SirParadox on September 06, 2021, 02:10:57 PM
The Monopoly party is not in the center but firmly on the authoritarian line while pretending to be part of the idiotic left right fallacy. Both "sides" want the same thing control over everyone, they pretend to disagree on how to gain that control. Their lies have fallen apart considerably in the last 20 years exposing them as one entity working for themselves under the guidance of a few powerful individuals.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Pat on September 06, 2021, 02:11:59 PM
He is definitely not a Liberal, he leans left and he is still part of the Demopublician/Republicrat party thus he answers to their bosses. He wrote the vile legislation that became the unpatriot act that passed under his buddy Bush's presidency. Sadly there are very few real Liberal freedom loving limited government public servants anymore. Liberals fall in the center and oppose overpowered unrestrained government.
It's very strange how you claim liberals fall to the center, in exactly the same position as the omniparty you're trying to distinguish them from. The left in the US isn't liberal; since the Brain Trust they've been big government statists. They did have some widely publicized liberal elements, like the ACLU, but that was always a small minority, and is largely extinct today. The real center of liberalism has shifted to the right, and the libertarians. But unlike some theorists (Rothbard for example), I don't think either is a natural alignment. Liberalism doesn't fit on the left/right spectrum. It's a third axis, and in opposition to both the left and the right. That's why it's been shifting randomly across the spectrum; it's temporary alliances based on opportunism, because neither side shares their values.
Liberals are not on the pretend left or right they are those that support limited government, personal responsibility, and freedom. Libertarians are the closest we have to liberals in this nation. The Monopoly statist party I mentioned pretends to care about certain issues to keep people fighting against each other while they grow vastly more powerful and take control of our lives. If you value freedom and limited government you are likely a Liberal. Sadly the pretend left side of the Monopoly party has attempted to hijack that label while opposing everything it represents.
Yes, that's the definition I was using. The confusion in the US really started in the 1920s and 1930s, when intellectuals in the US were heavily influenced by the European tradition, specifically the versions of socialism that arose in the late 19th century on the Continent. Many would be lumped in with today's social democrats, but social democrats are still a type of socialist. They composed FDR's Brain Trust, and their actions on the national stage convinced a lot of people that if we only get the right people in place, and give them enough power, then they can manage the economy and society and turn it into a smoothly functioning machine. This is the origin of the US "liberal", who have pushed for a great expansion of the welfare state, from the New Deal through the Great Society and Obamacare, until today. But it's more based on Marxist thought than Locke, Hume, and Adam Smith. It did incorporate some classical liberal principles, which can be seen in the Civil Rights movement (though remember the Civil Rights Act was passed with a higher majority of Republicans than Democrats), but that's been transformed into identity politics, which is fundamentally illiberal. Conversely, the Republicans were the party of Abolition, and while that became eroded as they picked up more support in the South, there still retain some vestiges of esteem for the egalitarian values of the Founding Fathers. The rise of the libertarian movement since the 1980s or so has seen a strong affiliation with the right over the left, largely due to Rothbard, who derided the sci-fi reading casual libertarians as anarcho-communists not true libertarians.
Title: Re: Biden is a right wing conservative, apparently.
Post by: Anon Adderlan on September 17, 2021, 02:40:57 PM
The further you are to the left, the more people exist to your right.  The further you are to the right, the more people exist to your left.  Without arguing about where the middle actually is, there are people who literally cannot tell the difference between people who are center, center-right, right, extreme right.  To them it is all 'right-wing'.  The same can be said about people on the right failing to distinguish differences between people on the left.

This is how radicalization happens.

I disagree with your assertion that Biden has dementia.  I've known people with dementia and Biden seems to be functioning better than they were.  Maybe it's a matter of degree.

The diagnosis can be soundly made by simply comparing his previous behavior to what it was previously.

You don't impeach a president for dementia.  Impeachment is for 'treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors'.  The 25th amendment to the United States Constitution allows for the removal of a president who is incapacitated.

Which is exactly what the #Democrats will use to remove him from office before his term is up. Because they don't want him to become president for another 4 years (and incumbents typically have an advantage), and the VP is already a Black Woman who follows the agenda.