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Author Topic: Larian complains about boring players  (Read 1799 times)

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2020, 03:32:12 pm »
The comments made by Larian themselves seem to have been mostly made in jest, expressing a somewhat understandable puzzlement at players' one-sidedness when it comes to character creation.

Pretty sure the original comment was more like "We spent all this time and effort giving you guys some crazy funky ways to customize your avatar's appearence and most of you aren't using it!"  So typical developer complaints when their work ends up being unused.

That was, indeed, the original comment. Again, I firmly believe they were just trying to poke some harmless fun. It's not like their game isn't already selling like hotcakes and will be inevitably at least as successful as DOS2 (if not rival BG1&2 themselves). The options they worked so hard to get in the game are there for players to peruse at their leasure, and they're obviously planning on adding tons more content once the full game comes out. And even if it's not the majority, I'm sure plenty of people out there are playing Drow and Tiefling snowflakes.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2020, 04:07:30 pm »
Bought it in early access, haven't progressed too far.  They're a modern company, but I don't think they're heavy handed with wokeness...

Character designs: if you choose human the default is a black guy, but there's a fair amount of skin tones and features; Gold dwarves and strongheart halflings are latino or something, I dunno the Realms.  The armor is typical fantasy nonsense - strange as hell, mostly fantasy crap with 16th century fashion blended with occasional dark age throwbacks.

You get to design your 'ideal love' right after character creation, and they're dressed in a fantasy greek-ish wrap around outfit with nipples poking up (ladies) or showing (men).  Boobs are a little small.  Need me my big-titty dwarves.  Give me a slider!

Overall the characters are beautiful - hair and faces are improved from the DOS:2 editor - my campaign has already benefited - I was lacking an NPC portrait that had the right combo of smug and soy:



(Brogan Greycastle - He's the evil gay half-elf bastard that ursurped the Red Wyrmspeaker title, and corrupting his lover the Prince of the kingdom; although he's probably Kevin Spacey gay...)


It's VERY early access; because this is Larian, that means its playable and fun, BUT there are only about six classes and some races are missing.

The problem is, it's cleaving tightly to the 5e rules, and that makes it pretty dull at low level when you're playing multiplayer - you just don't have as much to do on your turn as in DOS:2, add to that the fact that we're missing classes and races we want and its meh.

Also, Larian seems to be in a rut: [spoiler]So you're a prisoner on a ship, there are giant tentacles and it crashes leaving you on a beach.  Later, you have voices in your head.  We had great fun joking about Fort Joy being around the corner.[/spoiler]
Your Forgotten Realms was my first The Last Jedi.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2020, 05:18:33 pm »
Also, Larian seems to be in a rut: [spoiler]So you're a prisoner on a ship, there are giant tentacles and it crashes leaving you on a beach.  Later, you have voices in your head.  We had great fun joking about Fort Joy being around the corner.[/spoiler]

Honestly, I never thought Larian were amazing writers. Both DOS games are fairly run-of-the-mill high fantasy romps, and their predecessors, mostly of the action RPG variety weren't much better in that regard. Gameplay and co-op fun seems to be where their strengths lie, and they play their hand well. Obviously this game is perhaps hampered by the fact that it's a 5E product, but at least they're not pulling any punches, which, as always with their games, is as refreshing as ever.

Also, yeah, the character models are gorgeous, if buggy. I have good faith they will fix everything in due time, but I'll still hold off buying the game until then.

Maybe I should revisit some of the Divinity games to hold me over until then.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2020, 07:29:22 pm »
That's what we ended up doing.  Dos2
Your Forgotten Realms was my first The Last Jedi.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2020, 03:53:29 pm »
So...the devs give gamers a million character options so people could play a character “just like me”.
Players then do exactly this, the majority US gamer being a white male.
Devs then call players boring and unimaginative.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2020, 06:50:19 pm »
Normally any thread about video games would be instantly closed here. But it actually IS of interest to me to know that the majority of gamers want to play humans, and that this really pisses off the Tumblr/Twitter freak crowd who hate their own humanity and everyone else's.
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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2020, 06:10:38 pm »
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You know, in reading through the article, the clown also discussed how great it would be to have options and accessories for characters that are blind, deaf or disabled. Whatever. It struck me though that Pundit has talked about the whole diabled fetish thing in gaming, and we had at least two threads in the main forum about the growing trend. Then we have it referenced here in this article by some clown complaining about not being supported in these options....it makes me really boggle.

WTF is wrong with these people? ...

It is pure misery tourism for these people.

A competition for how much of a victimized minority they can be.

They are miserable people, and they want to spread their misery as much as they can.
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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2020, 07:09:30 pm »
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You know, in reading through the article, the clown also discussed how great it would be to have options and accessories for characters that are blind, deaf or disabled. Whatever. It struck me though that Pundit has talked about the whole diabled fetish thing in gaming, and we had at least two threads in the main forum about the growing trend. Then we have it referenced here in this article by some clown complaining about not being supported in these options....it makes me really boggle.

WTF is wrong with these people? ...

It is pure misery tourism for these people.

A competition for how much of a victimized minority they can be.

They are miserable people, and they want to spread their misery as much as they can.

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Yeah, my friend, I think you are quite right. Sometimes, I feel so socially out of it with all of these social trends in gaming, because all of my players are and have always been reasonable, mature, well-adjusted people. There haven't been any criminals, rebels, or painted, pierced, druggy freaks that seem to hate everything in society.

I have players that like to play characters like Conan, Sir Lancelot, Roman legionnaires, or Pagan warriors or druids. No one with weird sexual identities, deep emotional traumas, crazy fucking politics, or fetishes for disabled people. It's honestly disturbing looking at the world view so many of these modern gamers seem to want to bring to the game table. Gaming for them has little connection to history, real-world mythology, legendary drama--none of the things that have captivated us for countless generations.

No. They want their gaming to be all about present-day politics, and being some gender-fluid freak exploring fucking everything they can get their hands on. Huge fucking difference there in social focus and entire identity. So many of these modern gamers are so deeply emotionally broken trainwrecks, everything in their life, including gaming, revolve around and must revolve around their political and racialized identity, and their sexual traumas.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2020, 09:56:32 pm »
or druids. No one with weird sexual identities
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and being some gender-fluid freak exploring fucking everything they can get their hands on. Huge fucking difference there in social focus and entire identity. So many of these modern gamers are so deeply emotionally broken trainwrecks, everything in their life, including gaming, revolve around and must revolve around their political and racialized identity, and their sexual traumas.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2020, 01:26:16 am »

Ever have the asshole that wanted to play a druid so they could do weird furry shit with wild shape? I've had to kick that guy out of a game before.

I always thought that kind of stuff was an urban legend...I stand corrected.
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2020, 09:15:29 am »

Ever have the asshole that wanted to play a druid so they could do weird furry shit with wild shape? I've had to kick that guy out of a game before.

I always thought that kind of stuff was an urban legend...I stand corrected.
I've also had one asshole that took a tool proficiency in cook's utensils and was out to cook/serve/eat everything in the MM--yes, including the humanoids. Not the same player as the druid I mentioned, but the two did game together frequently, and apparently this is the kind of fun they tend to find in games. Neither of them are welcome in any game I run these days, and I won't play alongside them either.

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Re: Larian complains about boring players
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2020, 09:26:12 am »
Purple worm jerky is an acquired taste, after all.

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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2020, 12:36:56 pm »
I remember when there was that big push in Mass Effect 3 to put FemShep front and centre and if you looked about the fandom between now and then you'd believe she was the most popular option, but at some point post-launch they released the statistics and something hilarious like 90% of people played Male Soldier Shepard.

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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2020, 02:35:38 pm »

Ever have the asshole that wanted to play a druid so they could do weird furry shit with wild shape? I've had to kick that guy out of a game before.

I always thought that kind of stuff was an urban legend...I stand corrected.
I've also had one asshole that took a tool proficiency in cook's utensils and was out to cook/serve/eat everything in the MM--yes, including the humanoids. Not the same player as the druid I mentioned, but the two did game together frequently, and apparently this is the kind of fun they tend to find in games. Neither of them are welcome in any game I run these days, and I won't play alongside them either.

I got that guy in my game right now!

Always thought it was just an American thing.   ;)
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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2020, 06:00:48 pm »
I remember when there was that big push in Mass Effect 3 to put FemShep front and centre and if you looked about the fandom between now and then you'd believe she was the most popular option, but at some point post-launch they released the statistics and something hilarious like 90% of people played Male Soldier Shepard.
I just remember how fucking disappointed I was with Mass Effect 3. Incidentally, I did play Male Soldier Shepard.