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« on: January 21, 2019, 08:07:26 PM »
I want to be clear, I'm not looking to rehash allegations against Sean Fannon or Bill Webb.  However, I got this email this morning:

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This book has been updated with a new foreword by Shanna Germain. The foreword by Sean Patrick Fannon was removed due to sexual harassment allegations made against him (https://www.enginepublishing.com/news/new-foreword-author-for-never-unprepared-shanna-germain). No other content has changed.


At their website, they elaborate:

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After EN World reported accusations of sexual harassment made against Sean Patrick Fannon, I spoke to the other rights-holders for Never Unprepared -- for which Fannon wrote the foreword -- and we agreed that he should no longer be the "face" of this book. Engine Publishing stands with accusers.

We contacted award-winning game designer and author Shanna Germain about writing a new foreword, and were thrilled when she signed on for the job. You may know Shanna from her Origins- and ENnie Award-winning work on Numenera and No Thank You, Evil!, her numerous books, or her erotica.

Our layout designer also offered to update the book at no charge and requested that we donate what we would have paid him to Planned Parenthood, which we did.

If you have previously purchased Never Unprepared, whether in print or digitally and no matter where you purchased it, we would love to send you an updated copy with Shanna's new foreword. (If you bought it on DriveThruRPG, you already have access to this updated version.) No other content has changed.


Now, I don't want people doing genuinely bad things.  Are we really at a point where boorish behavior merits not only getting you fired from everywhere forever, but actually expunged from history like some kind of heretic in the Warhammer 40k universe?

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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2019, 11:00:31 PM »
They're not quite at the point where they will admit that they want Gulags and Killing Fields, but almost there...they already have no problem with Unpersoning, with making someone who doesn't follow party line starve on the street, and now with FaceCrime!
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 12:16:22 AM »
Wow.  They put that book out in 2012.

Something tells me this is less about "standing with accusers" and more about virtue-signalling for free publicity due to lagging sales than anything else.

Edited to add:  I thought Sean Fannon was a piece of shit long before he was accused of being a chair-sniffing rapist (or whatever it was he was accused of), but damned if this doesn't make me want to get a pre-edit copy of this book autographed by him.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 02:39:50 AM »
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Wow.  They put that book out in 2012.

Something tells me this is less about "standing with accusers" and more about virtue-signalling for free publicity due to lagging sales than anything else.

Edited to add:  I thought Sean Fannon was a piece of shit long before he was accused of being a chair-sniffing rapist (or whatever it was he was accused of), but damned if this doesn't make me want to get a pre-edit copy of this book autographed by him.

Greetings!

What exactly did Fannon do? I don't know a thing about him.

Conservative people need to stop being so nice and polite. I've wondered for a long time why don't Conservative people launch mass boycotts against stupid corporations; hold public rallies; gather around Liberal's homes or places of work, and scream and chant; Launch accusations against Liberals. Get lawyers to take Liberals to court on whatever charges. Hate speech, racism, religious bigotry, discrimination, whatever. Liberal individuals, liberal teachers, administrators, school boards and committees. Whatever it takes. It also doesn't matter how flimsy or ridiculous a particular claim or accusation may be. Just look at what Liberals do, every fucking day! How about having a company of heavily armed bodyguards and mercenaries escort any Conservative speaker at universities and public events. Any kind of provocation by the liberals could be ruthlessly crushed, like Antifa.

Stop being sweet, nice, and merciful. Make the Liberals shit themselves just imagining making a scene anywhere. Put the fucking pressure on them, socially, legally, financially, and every other way for every stupid horrible thing they do or say. Facebook, Twitter, should have hundreds, thousands of Conservatives screaming at Liberal companies, and individual figures, every day, all day. Start making their lives fucking *Hell*. Don't stop; don't change the subject; and relentlessly hammer the liberals about being crazy, evil, hateful, unAmerican, racist, and *traitors*. If enough people did this, and with some financial backing, the fucking Communists in this country would be looking for a fast plane to Venezuela. That is the only place they would feel comfortable. Go there, and circle jerk themselves with Socialist fantasies all day long. Fuck, drug their lives out, and shriek endlessly about how great the Socialist cock is. Do it somewhere else, where that is welcomed. Americans should be getting fed up with this ideological tyranny by now.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 03:13:58 AM »
I think Louis CK is creepy AF for wanking in front of female comics, but I am THRILLED he's back on stage making a living.  "I like to jerk off, and I don't like being alone" is a hysterical line.

The only defense against other SJW bullshit is getting back to financial success. That's hard for actors who depend on large crews to create product, but comedians and musicians have outlets today to be able to create product and market themselves without the need for the mega-corps. Fannon can easily self-publish and maybe even become a novelist or do writing work for video games.

Of course, I expect much more "deplatforming" and "unpersoning" to come down the pike.


Quote from: Almost_Useless;1072172
Are we really at a point where boorish behavior merits not only getting you fired from everywhere forever, but actually expunged from history like some kind of heretic in the Warhammer 40k universe?


YES. Yes we are.

And it won't stop until the majority turn on the SJW minority and mock them back into their safe spaces.

But that would require the majority to turn on the MSM. Good luck with that.


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What exactly did Fannon do?


Allegedly, Fannon is one of those SJW beta bitches who can't flirt like an adult and instead gets creepy when horny.

What really happened? Who knows.  

His "downfall" was very much SJWs eating their own. Thus, much LoLz.


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Conservative people need to stop being so nice and polite.


Too late. Now, just existing is violence!

Conservatives lost the MSM and schools K through PhD and that laid the groundwork for their current media dominance. It's one thing to control the MSM to make idiot noise, but you need to control the schools so idiot noise = truth.

Though, I agree with you and RPGPundit. The law is a weapon the Left loves to use. Time is long overdue for the Right to lawyer up and eviscerate.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 03:32:22 AM »
I'm really bothered by the guilty because we said so standard currently in place within much of society. The level of required evidence in the court of public approval required to punish the accused has dropped to an amazingly low bar. It doesn't matter of the legal system says there is not a case.


I'm not so sure about he Conservatives being too nice though, there is a pretty solid history of harassing wrong think there as well and boycotts only work if the thing being boycotted is popular with your brand of group think. Look how well the boycott of Married with Children went over, the cast and producers can thank Terry Rakolta for the survival of the show.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 04:45:27 AM »
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Allegedly, Fannon is one of those SJW beta bitches who can't flirt like an adult and instead gets creepy when horny.

Yes, AFAICT the allegations are that several women didn't like being hit on by him, that he made sexual comments they did not like. He seems like a jerk, but giving him the Trotsky treatment seems pretty extreme.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 06:53:21 AM »
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Yes, AFAICT the allegations are that several women didn't like being hit on by him, that he made sexual comments they did not like. He seems like a jerk, but giving him the Trotsky treatment seems pretty extreme.

Greetings!

Hey S'mon! You know, I'm not trying to sound dense, but I'm having a hard time fully understanding how making an approach to a woman becomes some a constant powder keg of "creepy" jackass stupidity by these kinds of men. What is it? Why is hitting on a woman so fucking difficult for these fucksticks, you know?

I was at a mall one time, during my years in the Marine Corps. I approached this smoking hot woman, probably 10 to 14 years older than me at the time. Killer body, dressed wonderful. I'd guess she was 28-35 years old. I greeted her, told her she was gorgeous, and I'd love to buy her lunch. (Nice restaurants were everywhere in this slick, up-scale mall). I stared at her, smiled, obviously pleased with how she looked, how she was dressed, hell, she even smelled delicious. She got all warm and friendly, huge smile, but embarassed. She joined me at a nearby coffee thing, and she thanked me for approaching her. She was hugely flattered, but she sadly!--had to decline, as she was married, with two children. (I hadn't noticed a wedding band on her; Later, I realized, fuck, it was right there). I cheerfully apologised to her, as I didn't realise she was married. This woman insisted on buying me coffee and lunch! LOL. She told me that I had made her feel wonderful, and she knew I'd have a fine girlfriend anytime soon. I spent a few hours hanging out with her. She was very nice. Finally, she had to be getting home. She thanked me again, and kissed me. I then went on my way, soon to meet up with some buddies coming down by train from our base. I have to say, it was the *best* rejection of my life. LOL. I told my buddies about what happened, and they all laughed. They all knew, damn, bro! If she wasn't married, and had such strong morals--she would have devoured you! LOL. Oh well, you know? I thought it was cute, and I respected her. I had no intention or desire to sex up a married woman. While quite impressed with her beauty, and me being gregarious and friendly, I made it clear to her I didn't realise she was married, and I meant no offense whatesoever.

This woman didn't have some weird fucking meltdown because I openly and boldly hit on her. I also didn't act fucking retarded for being couteously rejected. Any good man knows how to accept such with dignity and grace, and when required, even a sense of humour, which I did. Similar such things periodically happened with my friends as well. All acted like gentlemen.

Of course, I'm wondering, when did women lose the grace, humour, and dignity to know how to courteously reject a man's advances, smile, laugh, and move on?

I feel sorry, a bit, for younger men nowadays. Geesus, when I was 18, my buddies and I would be at our E-Club--it was a nightclub though, and Wednesdays through Sundays was *PACKED* wall to wall with young Marines, and hordes of women and young girls. We would often dance, drink with, and hit on DOZENS of women every night like that. It doesn't mean we always got together with a particular woman, though. Preferences and all. No big deal. Some say no, for whatever reasons, and lots of others are eager to say yes. The women came to our club wanting to drink, dance, and get hooked up. They loved dancing, chatting, and being oggled and stared at by dozens of buffed Marines, all hanging out, drinking and smoking, and watching the women like hungry fucking lions! You know what I'm saying? This was a normal, routine ritual we went through. Not all, but most Marines I hung out with, we always had more women than we could handle. Geesus, so many women, we had to beat them off with a stick! LOL. Depending on if we were in with a girl and what not, we often had to say no and reject happy, frisky girls coming on to us. That's the way it goes, you know? Normal fucking reality in dating, and swooping on each other. That's right. Us men hunt the women, and are looking to swoop down on them. LOL. SO ARE THE WOMEN! LOL. We knew that too. The women would tell you, yeah, they came there that night with a car full of their girlfriends to go hunting for some fucking hot Marines! That always made us roar with laughter, too. That was how the game went.

When the hell did fun and humour get cut out of flirting and dating? Damn, I swear our society has gone fucking insane!

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2019, 05:53:53 PM »
Shanna Germain? You mean the one responsible for (or at least defending the inclusion of) Nibovian Wives?

Great choice considering the context /s

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Are we really at a point where boorish behavior merits not only getting you fired from everywhere forever, but actually expunged from history like some kind of heretic in the Warhammer 40k universe?


Yes.

As does simply being a white man (like Nolan Bushnell) with the wrong opinion (like James Watson).

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Wow.  They put that book out in 2012.


So they're rewriting history.

Stalin would be proud.

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What exactly did Fannon do?


He asked a woman for a hug.

Twice.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 09:24:10 PM »
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He asked a woman for a hug.

Twice.

A bit more than that.  He pretty much admitted to showing off explicit photos of himself banging some other woman...

Quote from: Accuser the First
She said that Fannon approached her at the con suite of the convention, and after speaking with her for a bit and playing a game with a group in the suite he showed her explicit photos on his cellphone of him engaged in sex acts with a woman.

And Fannon:

Quote from: Fannon
Fannon denies the nature of the event, saying "I will assert with confidence that at no time would such a sharing have occurred without my understanding explicit consent on the part of all parties. It may be that, somehow, a miscommunication or misunderstanding occurred; the chaos of a party or social gathering may have created a circumstance of all parties not understanding the same thing within such a discourse. Regardless, I would not have opened such a file and shared it without believing, sincerely, it was a welcome part of the discussion (and in pursuit of further, mutually-expressed intimate interest)."

So, he doesn't deny it, he denies the NATURE of it.  So, basically, she wanted it, and as such, he didn't do anything bad.

Edited to add:  He doesn't explicitly deny the first allegation, but he does deny at least some of the later allegations detailed in that thread.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2019, 09:32:30 PM »
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Our layout designer also offered to update the book at no charge and requested that we donate what we would have paid him to Planned Parenthood, which we did.
Engine Publishing proudly supports infanticide, but not accused sexual harassers.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2019, 01:10:15 AM »
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Wow.  They put that book out in 2012.


I didn't even realize it had been that long.  Why drudge it up so long after?  If he'd stolen a car, he'd probably be out of prison by now.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 01:56:44 AM »
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I didn't even realize it had been that long.  Why drudge it up so long after?  If he'd stolen a car, he'd probably be out of prison by now.

Greetings!

That's a good point, Almost Useless. I'm not in favour of men being jackasses to anyone, or acting rudely sexual with a woman--when such is not wanted by the woman. That's mind numbingly childish, rude, pathetic behavior. Worthy of a good tongue lashing and calling him out for being a rude jackass. You know? If I had a friend that acted that way--in the manner it seems that he did, I would be like, hey, man, what the fuck? Why are you acting so fucking retarded? I don't like being embarassed like that by an idiot and would be friend, you know? I can imagine how I would feel and react if I had a friend that acted that way. It's embarassing, wrong, ill-mannered, and he needs a serious verbal smack down.

However, being a rude, obnoxious jackass is not on the same level of assaulting someone, or raping a woman. You know? People acting like such *is* on the same level is well, not just wrong, but unjust, and immoral. First principles in Justice are scale and proportionality, or appropriateness, you know?

On the other hand, perhaps you, or many of us, has been drunk at one time or another, and behaved in an embarassing manner, or said some really stupid things, similarly. All the while, normally, you are a straight shooting man. Wouldn't YOU want some understanding? Some empathy? Some forgiveness? I know I certainly would. He didn't rape, assault, or kill anyone after all. So I think going overboard with the vengeance, hate, shaming, is wrong, you know? And disgusting and shameful in its own way.

Sigh. I'm a big fan of old school honour, dignitas, and class. Concepts that are in terribly short supply nowadays.

Semper Fidelis,

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 03:15:05 AM »
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He doesn't explicitly deny the first allegation, but he does deny at least some of the later allegations detailed in that thread.

LOL! I forgot about that part! What is it with these weirdos???

But I guess its like a resume? Or an audition tape? Creepy AF!!