Assassination Plot on President W. Bush

[GeekyBugle]

A guy who uses don quixote as his avatar talking about being far from reality?

Um...

Exactly.

[jhkim]

Has everyone seen the latest poll from the Southern Poverty Law Center?
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

Approval for "assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy":
...

• Younger Rep men: 34%

Wow. Clearly a problem among Republicans.

• Younger Dem women: 32%

Wait... Democratic women?

• Younger Rep women: 40%

What the hell, that's even higher.

• Younger Dem men: 44%

What the ever loving hell?

As I read that, it is roughly even between Democrats and Republicans at about 37% each. That's based on Democrats being around 55% women, and Republicans around 48% women. There were three other questions on political violence. Here are the numbers for younger Democrats and Republicans for each of them, with averages.

Approval of "participating in a political revolution even if it is violent in its ends"
Younger Democrats: 37% / 42% -> 39% overall
Younger Republicans: 30% / 45% -> 38% overall

Approval of "threatening a politician who is harming the country or our democracy"
Younger Democrats: 25% / 40% -> 32% overall
Younger Republicans: 31% / 46% -> 39% overall

Approval of "assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy"
Younger Democrats: 32% / 44% -> 37% overall
Younger Republicans: 40% / 34% -> 37% overall

My takeaway is that this isn't either a Democrat or Republican problem. It is a problem with the younger members of both generations.

From my impression, the key is that both sides have been fed the narrative that the other side are thoroughly evil and will cheat to achieve their ends. Therefore, violence is the only solution to rid the country of the insanity of the other side. We can see this just as much in SHARK's rants as in Battlemaster's rants. They would both justify their call for violence that the other side is so evil and unscrupulous that peaceful means can't work to overcome them.

My main hope is that the young generation are growing up on Twitter and TikTok, but neither side have experienced much actual violence in their lives. We've seen an increase in political violence in recent years - but thankfully we haven't had the rash of assassinations yet like what we saw in the 1960s (JFK, RFK, MLK, MX), and I think the overall political violence is less than back then as well. Once violence starts getting personal, I think neither side has much stomach for it.

[bromides]

There are few leaders in both sides that are capable of reaching across the aisle. Most are hated by the other side, and the ones that aren't are hated by their own side. (Manchin and Sinema for Dems, for instance. Is McCain still a thing in the Republicans? Any non Trump legislator will have issues right now.)

We are in a particularly bad era of leadership, with a lot of self serving pricks on both sides.

Thank God for Joe Manchin. He's saved the republic from itself. Kyrsten Sinema, also, but to a lesser extent than the daggers that have been thrown at Manchin.

Edit: of course, the ones the young hate the most? Manchin, Sinema. They'll stalk Sinema into bathrooms like they'll go to a Supreme Court justice's house. If the justices get more bodyguards, I hope Joe Manchin gets a shitload as well.

[Pat]

My takeaway is that this isn't either a Democrat or Republican problem. It is a problem with the younger members of both generations.

So you read my post.

[Pat]

Thank God for Joe Manchin.

Manchin is as good a Democrat as Romney is a Republican.

[SHARK]

Has everyone seen the latest poll from the Southern Poverty Law Center?
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas

Approval for "assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy":
...

• Younger Rep men: 34%

Wow. Clearly a problem among Republicans.

• Younger Dem women: 32%

Wait... Democratic women?

• Younger Rep women: 40%

What the hell, that's even higher.

• Younger Dem men: 44%

What the ever loving hell?

As I read that, it is roughly even between Democrats and Republicans at about 37% each. That's based on Democrats being around 55% women, and Republicans around 48% women. There were three other questions on political violence. Here are the numbers for younger Democrats and Republicans for each of them, with averages.

Approval of "participating in a political revolution even if it is violent in its ends"
Younger Democrats: 37% / 42% -> 39% overall
Younger Republicans: 30% / 45% -> 38% overall

Approval of "threatening a politician who is harming the country or our democracy"
Younger Democrats: 25% / 40% -> 32% overall
Younger Republicans: 31% / 46% -> 39% overall

Approval of "assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy"
Younger Democrats: 32% / 44% -> 37% overall
Younger Republicans: 40% / 34% -> 37% overall

My takeaway is that this isn't either a Democrat or Republican problem. It is a problem with the younger members of both generations.

From my impression, the key is that both sides have been fed the narrative that the other side are thoroughly evil and will cheat to achieve their ends. Therefore, violence is the only solution to rid the country of the insanity of the other side. We can see this just as much in SHARK's rants as in Battlemaster's rants. They would both justify their call for violence that the other side is so evil and unscrupulous that peaceful means can't work to overcome them.

My main hope is that the young generation are growing up on Twitter and TikTok, but neither side have experienced much actual violence in their lives. We've seen an increase in political violence in recent years - but thankfully we haven't had the rash of assassinations yet like what we saw in the 1960s (JFK, RFK, MLK, MX), and I think the overall political violence is less than back then as well. Once violence starts getting personal, I think neither side has much stomach for it.

Greetings!

Marxists need to be purified by pain.

There is no playing grab-ass with the fucking Marxists. Apparently, many stupid people believe that Marxism is merely another political perspective, with equal merit to classic Americanism and Western Civilization.

Strange, we don't see mobs of Liberals lining up to cock-suck and praise Nazis and Naziism.

Oh yes, but somehow, Marxism is not as bad, amirite?

Marxism needs to be opposed and resisted just as much as the Allies opposed Naziism. In truth, even more so.

Being a Marxist, or a fucking Marxist fan-boi is not morally acceptable, let alone being politically or ideologically respectable. These precepts make virtually the entire worldview of Leftists absolutely illegitimate, and ultimately, very dark and evil. Western Civilization in general, and the American Republic that was provided for us by our Founding Fathers and ancestors before us, is under assault by the Leftist-Marxists in our country, within our midst.

Somehow, though, some people are stupid enough to believe that we should make nice and kissy-face with these psychotic, depraved Marxist zombies.

*Laughing* Enjoy the fucking DECLINE!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mistwell]

Thank God for Joe Manchin.

Manchin is as good a Democrat as Romney is a Republican.

So he's great is what you're saying.

[Pat]

Thank God for Joe Manchin.

Manchin is as good a Democrat as Romney is a Republican.

So he's great is what you're saying.

If you're a Democrat.

[jhkim]

Marxism needs to be opposed and resisted just as much as the Allies opposed Naziism. In truth, even more so.

Being a Marxist, or a fucking Marxist fan-boi is not morally acceptable, let alone being politically or ideologically respectable. These precepts make virtually the entire worldview of Leftists absolutely illegitimate, and ultimately, very dark and evil. Western Civilization in general, and the American Republic that was provided for us by our Founding Fathers and ancestors before us, is under assault by the Leftist-Marxists in our country, within our midst.

But you advocate that Marxists should be *killed* for their political beliefs, simply because they are Marxist, like your frequent expressions that they be bathed in napalm. That's exactly the problem of political violence. The idea that because someone has beliefs you don't respect, they should be killed.

I don't agree with either Marxism or Nazism - but I also believe that both are entitled to the same rights as everyone else, including the right to life as well as the right to free speech.

Resisting opposing politics can be done without mass murder of the opposing side.

[jeff37923]

A guy who uses don quixote as his avatar talking about being far from reality?

At least I am not all about the Battlemasturbation....

Fap fap fap.....

[jeff37923]

Marxism needs to be opposed and resisted just as much as the Allies opposed Naziism. In truth, even more so.

Being a Marxist, or a fucking Marxist fan-boi is not morally acceptable, let alone being politically or ideologically respectable. These precepts make virtually the entire worldview of Leftists absolutely illegitimate, and ultimately, very dark and evil. Western Civilization in general, and the American Republic that was provided for us by our Founding Fathers and ancestors before us, is under assault by the Leftist-Marxists in our country, within our midst.

But you advocate that Marxists should be *killed* for their political beliefs, simply because they are Marxist, like your frequent expressions that they be bathed in napalm. That's exactly the problem of political violence. The idea that because someone has beliefs you don't respect, they should be killed.

I don't agree with either Marxism or Nazism - but I also believe that both are entitled to the same rights as everyone else, including the right to life as well as the right to free speech.

Resisting opposing politics can be done without mass murder of the opposing side.

Wait, you think that both Marxism and Nazism should be respected and entitled to the same rights as everyone else?

I think that there are a few million Jews and Russians and Chinese and Cambodians who would like to have a word with you.

[jeff37923]

A guy who uses don quixote as his avatar talking about being far from reality?

Um...

Exactly.

I thought that you had me on ignore.

Oh, well. Once a fan, always a fan.

[oggsmash]

  Thing with Marxism....when they have footholds in all institutions and are making policy and shaping minds, it really isnt about respecting an opinion or the right to voice it in public anymore.   It is more like finding a treatment for cancer.  Marxist-revolutionary types smartened up a long time ago and even their radicals like Ayers figured out they can do a SHITLOAD more damage from a college professor post than they can trying to rob banks or putting bombs in DC.   I think trying to fight people who are VERY good at subverting democracy with democracy is a really good way to lose that fight. 

   I do not know that I want people who simply want to "reshape in their own image" America shot, but I can say I certainly prefer that they go away to me and mine living in their "reimagining".   Marxist CANNOT build a society or nation, it seems all they can do is subvert, pervert, and corrupt a society.  I get the idea is to collapse and rebuild in their image, but shit....after MANY collapses of their image you would think they would get the message their structure is shit.

[3catcircus]

Marxism needs to be opposed and resisted just as much as the Allies opposed Naziism. In truth, even more so.

Being a Marxist, or a fucking Marxist fan-boi is not morally acceptable, let alone being politically or ideologically respectable. These precepts make virtually the entire worldview of Leftists absolutely illegitimate, and ultimately, very dark and evil. Western Civilization in general, and the American Republic that was provided for us by our Founding Fathers and ancestors before us, is under assault by the Leftist-Marxists in our country, within our midst.

But you advocate that Marxists should be *killed* for their political beliefs, simply because they are Marxist, like your frequent expressions that they be bathed in napalm. That's exactly the problem of political violence. The idea that because someone has beliefs you don't respect, they should be killed.

I don't agree with either Marxism or Nazism - but I also believe that both are entitled to the same rights as everyone else, including the right to life as well as the right to free speech.

Resisting opposing politics can be done without mass murder of the opposing side.

Wait, you think that both Marxism and Nazism should be respected and entitled to the same rights as everyone else?

I think that there are a few million Jews and Russians and Chinese and Cambodians who would like to have a word with you.

You forgot the Vietnamese, Cubans and Koreans. We can't be exclusionary when it comes to who Marxists have killed and enslaved...

[3catcircus]

  Thing with Marxism....when they have footholds in all institutions and are making policy and shaping minds, it really isnt about respecting an opinion or the right to voice it in public anymore.   It is more like finding a treatment for cancer.  Marxist-revolutionary types smartened up a long time ago and even their radicals like Ayers figured out they can do a SHITLOAD more damage from a college professor post than they can trying to rob banks or putting bombs in DC.   I think trying to fight people who are VERY good at subverting democracy with democracy is a really good way to lose that fight. 

   I do not know that I want people who simply want to "reshape in their own image" America shot, but I can say I certainly prefer that they go away to me and mine living in their "reimagining".   Marxist CANNOT build a society or nation, it seems all they can do is subvert, pervert, and corrupt a society.  I get the idea is to collapse and rebuild in their image, but shit....after MANY collapses of their image you would think they would get the message their structure is shit.

They, like all authoritarian political types, rely upon the general trusting nature and morality of western civilization to infiltrate and conspire.  People are way too "oh, if we just let them have *this*, they'll be satisfied ". We have to rapidly rethink this as a society.  Sone of us understand this, but most people are spoiled and soft because they have no survival needs to meet anymore. You need to take the attitude of NOT. ONE. INCH. when it comes to dealing with leftists.