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Author Topic: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush  (Read 4444 times)

Mistwell

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Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« on: May 24, 2022, 03:36:29 PM »
So somehow this isn't being discussed in the news much? And assassination Plot on President W. Bush by ISIS, using the asylum system and crossing from the Mexican border. Caught by the FBI.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/plot-to-kill-bush-in-revenge-for-iraq-war-was-foiled-fbi-says

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2022, 01:57:24 AM »
Of course it's not in the news much.  No Leftist narrative to be helped by shining light on it.  Reporting it would remind people that (1) lots of Muslims are not peaceful people, they want all non-Muslims converted or dead, and (2) we have a serious problem with illegal immigration, one which is being abetted by the Biden Administration, Democrats and to a certain extent, Neocons (like George W. Bush, ironically).  While many liberals will deny that criminals come across the Mexican border, I think they really don't believe that and honestly just figure it's the price to be paid in order to achieve their Utopia, much as gun owners like myself hate school shootings but we figure that's the price to be paid for having a Second Amendment.  Of course, we have a Constitutional right to gun ownership while foreigners have no right at all to just waltz into our country unchallenged, which is an important distinction.

On a somewhat related note, if that had been somebody out to assassinate Trump instead of Bush, I'm pretty sure the FBI wouldn't have done jack shit.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 02:56:01 AM »
Why does ISIS care about Dubya now? Something doesn't smell right.

Is it a play get the US involved again in the endless Middle East wars?

Dubya was the best thing that ever happened to Iraqi nutjobs. Saddam would have never allowed ISIS to fart wrong, let alone take his cities.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2022, 06:32:03 AM »
 I suspect it was a plot created by the FBI and recruited a few saps from overseas with online communications.  That is about the only way those ass hats catch anyone before the fact.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2022, 06:37:14 AM »
  After reading...it seemed a VERY long time paid FBI informant (aka life long felon) was the guy the main culprit "shared" a plot with.  Seems to me I was right, and some informant who was paid to find things (aka instigate) was successful in doing so. 

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 07:35:31 AM »
  After reading...it seemed a VERY long time paid FBI informant (aka life long felon) was the guy the main culprit "shared" a plot with.  Seems to me I was right, and some informant who was paid to find things (aka instigate) was successful in doing so.

As is typical. None of these assholes practices good OPSEC.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 07:39:45 AM »
I assumed they only put that story out to cover up Bush's inability to differentiate the Ukraine and Iraq at the podium the other day. 
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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2022, 10:12:08 AM »
Why does ISIS care about Dubya now? Something doesn't smell right.

Is it a play get the US involved again in the endless Middle East wars?

Dubya was the best thing that ever happened to Iraqi nutjobs. Saddam would have never allowed ISIS to fart wrong, let alone take his cities.

Given everyone appears to be collectively ignoring this news, I don't think it's a play to get anything to happen.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2022, 10:13:25 AM »
I assumed they only put that story out to cover up Bush's inability to differentiate the Ukraine and Iraq at the podium the other day.

That story had also already blown over by the time this news broke so that doesn't make sense either

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2022, 11:32:16 AM »
Why does ISIS care about Dubya now? Something doesn't smell right.

Is it a play get the US involved again in the endless Middle East wars?

Dubya was the best thing that ever happened to Iraqi nutjobs. Saddam would have never allowed ISIS to fart wrong, let alone take his cities.

I think it's just that they never forgive and never forget.  These people are still bent out of shape about the Reconquista, remember.  I agree that they should be grateful to Bush really, but they don't see it that way.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2022, 09:39:26 AM »
So they can manage to "foil a plot" that they themselves encouraged, but can't fucking manage to prevent nutjobs  already known to them from shooting up schools.  In almost *every* case, assassin and terrorist plots proceeded because ineffectual suspects were given encouragement and material aid by federal law enforcement.

Government and police won't protect us from threats. We have to protect each other.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2022, 09:57:47 AM »
Government and police won't protect us from threats. We have to protect each other.
Welcome to the origins of Medieval feudalism. The central Roman government could no longer protect its population so the population made pacts with those capable of doing so. They would give resources to the “Werd” (common root of both Lord and Guard) and in return they would protect that community from bandits and other plunderers.

Over time it picked up less desirable cruft… going from best man for the job to hereditary by primogeniture… going from a mutual pact between parties (i.e. the non-warriors producing food and equipment were just as important as the warriors who protected them in terms of keeping things functioning) to one of rulers and subjects… from King as “head of a kin group” to King as distant unrelated ruler… etc.

That cruft was what out ancestors in the United States eventually rebelled against and tried to establish something closer to those older mutual bonds… only now those have cruft on them too that we’ll probably need a new compact of mutual bonds to actually restore and, over the course of a few more centuries will accrue cruft of its own.

Such is the life cycle of civilizations.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2022, 10:08:08 AM »
Government and police won't protect us from threats. We have to protect each other.
Welcome to the origins of Medieval feudalism. The central Roman government could no longer protect its population so the population made pacts with those capable of doing so. They would give resources to the “Werd” (common root of both Lord and Guard) and in return they would protect that community from bandits and other plunderers.

Over time it picked up less desirable cruft… going from best man for the job to hereditary by primogeniture… going from a mutual pact between parties (i.e. the non-warriors producing food and equipment were just as important as the warriors who protected them in terms of keeping things functioning) to one of rulers and subjects… from King as “head of a kin group” to King as distant unrelated ruler… etc.

That cruft was what out ancestors in the United States eventually rebelled against and tried to establish something closer to those older mutual bonds… only now those have cruft on them too that we’ll probably need a new compact of mutual bonds to actually restore and, over the course of a few more centuries will accrue cruft of its own.

Such is the life cycle of civilizations.

The US is exactly the same as the Roman Empire right before it's fall.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2022, 12:37:06 PM »
So they can manage to "foil a plot" that they themselves encouraged, but can't fucking manage to prevent nutjobs  already known to them from shooting up schools.  In almost *every* case, assassin and terrorist plots proceeded because ineffectual suspects were given encouragement and material aid by federal law enforcement.

Government and police won't protect us from threats. We have to protect each other.

  The most recent couple of nutjobs....I would LOVE to see the chats they had online and how many of the folks they were chatting to have federal government ip's.  Looks like a turd in the punch bowl to me.

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2022, 12:43:19 PM »
Government and police won't protect us from threats. We have to protect each other.
Welcome to the origins of Medieval feudalism. The central Roman government could no longer protect its population so the population made pacts with those capable of doing so. They would give resources to the “Werd” (common root of both Lord and Guard) and in return they would protect that community from bandits and other plunderers.

Over time it picked up less desirable cruft… going from best man for the job to hereditary by primogeniture… going from a mutual pact between parties (i.e. the non-warriors producing food and equipment were just as important as the warriors who protected them in terms of keeping things functioning) to one of rulers and subjects… from King as “head of a kin group” to King as distant unrelated ruler… etc.

That cruft was what out ancestors in the United States eventually rebelled against and tried to establish something closer to those older mutual bonds… only now those have cruft on them too that we’ll probably need a new compact of mutual bonds to actually restore and, over the course of a few more centuries will accrue cruft of its own.

Such is the life cycle of civilizations.

The US is exactly the same as the Roman Empire right before it's fall.
I see you too post in Shasarak's sarcastic black font.