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Author Topic: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?  (Read 4805 times)


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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2021, 02:47:08 PM »
Have you ever been bankrupted by medical bills?

  Have you?  I do know a fellow, back in the 90's who went to India for a heart procedure that here was going to cost him possibly up to 3/4 of a million dollars for total care and costs.  He got the same thing done in India for a grand total of 10k (including air fare and 1 month stay for follow up care). 

  I think that issue lies not so much with a universal health care, but with health care costs that have broken through a top end point that is not justifiable in the USA. 

  I would also say I can not see a situation where I could be bankrupted from health care costs for me.  I would check out before bankrupting family to keep a husk of me alive.

Before Covid health-tourists would often come to uruguay to get dental work done. In uruguay the dentists are very good, and also remarkably cheap (a routine cleaning/check up runs about $25USD, which is the only number I know because I've gone my entire life without a single cavity and still have all my teeth, but anyways bigger surgeries are often hugely less expensive than in other parts of the world). For some people, the cost of the flight+surgery in Uruguay was still cheaper than the surgery in their own country.

Also, Uruguay  has great health care for pay, which is way better than the service I ever got with Canada's "Free" health care that you still had to pay for if you had any decent salary. In Alberta in the early 2000sI was paying something like $100CDN (say, $75USD) per month for "free" health care that included huge waiting periods and dubious attention.

In Uruguay I'm paying about $75USD today in 2021, for service that includes being able to call a doctor to come make a house call to me anytime I want as often as I want at no added charge. Plus of course hospital service (which is a great hospital; I've fortunately only been hospitalized in it once for a few days but the service was spectacular, even the freaking hospital food was delicious!), and a very large discount on prescriptions.

   I am down to Ecuador, Uruguay, and looking like Panama.   This sure makes Uruguay look very, very close and if I were planning to be a city dweller it would already be the winner.

Well, if you're not planning to be a city dweller, you should consider the cost of land and the laws about non-citizens buying land in each country.

  I am, and it is why Ecuador still finds a high rank on my finals, and with Panama cutting back on its residency by investment, it looks like I am down to two.  Will take a 2 week trip to each and take a look around and go from there.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2021, 05:08:55 PM »
I don't consider moving, but if I had to for some reason, I would move to the southern hemisphere.
Tasmania would be my first choice, followed distantly by Chile.

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« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2021, 07:13:56 PM »
The lovely wife has been showing me pictures of compact homes recently.  I think she wants to have some builders in the Philippines make one for her as a retirement option since she has family with land back there.  So, that's her way of being subtle and trying to sell me on the international retirement thing.  We'd have a lovely view of Taal, you know, that volcano that erupted last year.
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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #94 on: June 17, 2021, 06:42:07 PM »
I lived for about six years in Japan, but returned primarily because I was hitting a few of life's milestones (having a kid, etc) and figured out that Id have to put in another 14+ years to get my kid through school or another 19 years to get a pension. You have to be really committed to making it work in Japan (though I miss the health care system).

I have been threatening my wife with moving to Idaho over the last few years. The Oregon I grew up in is long, long gone. One in five Oregonians came from California and it shows. Although it seems like a toss up for a SJW paradise between Portland and Seattle, at least Seattle has smarter people and better economic thinking. Portland is second rate, even at that. The creeping, insidious control from Portland over the rest of the state I see happening in the state of Washington though, so even moving to a small town somewhere else in Washington I think will just delay the inevitable.

This is still my country, and the dirt under my feet is still my America. I am not going to be chased out by a bunch of narcissistic, gutless Marxists. Maybe Ill end up getting clubbed one day while passing through the excrement strewn streets of Portland like Andy Ngo, but the stain under my body will still be a bit of America.
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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #95 on: June 18, 2021, 10:03:33 AM »
I lived for about six years in Japan, but returned primarily because I was hitting a few of life's milestones (having a kid, etc) and figured out that Id have to put in another 14+ years to get my kid through school or another 19 years to get a pension. You have to be really committed to making it work in Japan (though I miss the health care system).

I have been threatening my wife with moving to Idaho over the last few years. The Oregon I grew up in is long, long gone. One in five Oregonians came from California and it shows. Although it seems like a toss up for a SJW paradise between Portland and Seattle, at least Seattle has smarter people and better economic thinking. Portland is second rate, even at that. The creeping, insidious control from Portland over the rest of the state I see happening in the state of Washington though, so even moving to a small town somewhere else in Washington I think will just delay the inevitable.

This is still my country, and the dirt under my feet is still my America. I am not going to be chased out by a bunch of narcissistic, gutless Marxists. Maybe Ill end up getting clubbed one day while passing through the excrement strewn streets of Portland like Andy Ngo, but the stain under my body will still be a bit of America.

   I considered this too.  However I have a.... combative.... personality and I think if the pushing keeps rolling, and I see no reason to even think it will slow down, it is simply better for me to take what I think of as "american" with me somewhere else.   I much prefer to be a welcome guest than a hated resident.   Though for full disclosure, my brothers and I are seriously considering 100 or so acres in the mountains and just go away.  That would provide enough insulation for my life time maybe, but I think my kids would get a bad shake, but as prediction is completely unreliable who can say for sure.
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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #96 on: June 18, 2021, 11:25:23 AM »
I considered this too.  However I have a.... combative.... personality and I think if the pushing keeps rolling, and I see no reason to even think it will slow down, it is simply better for me to take what I think of as "american" with me somewhere else.   I much prefer to be a welcome guest than a hated resident.   Though for full disclosure, my brothers and I are seriously considering 100 or so acres in the mountains and just go away.  That would provide enough insulation for my life time maybe, but I think my kids would get a bad shake, but as prediction is completely unreliable who can say for sure.

I might think of things a bit differently if my kid wasn't an adult.

Idaho is still looking really good, though it is getting a lot of "Blue" Californians moving to Boise. As others mentioned, it would be even better if Idaho absorbed much of Oregon (five counties already voted for it) but I think that will never happen.
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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #97 on: June 18, 2021, 12:58:40 PM »
I considered this too.  However I have a.... combative.... personality and I think if the pushing keeps rolling, and I see no reason to even think it will slow down, it is simply better for me to take what I think of as "american" with me somewhere else.   I much prefer to be a welcome guest than a hated resident.   Though for full disclosure, my brothers and I are seriously considering 100 or so acres in the mountains and just go away.  That would provide enough insulation for my life time maybe, but I think my kids would get a bad shake, but as prediction is completely unreliable who can say for sure.

I might think of things a bit differently if my kid wasn't an adult.

Idaho is still looking really good, though it is getting a lot of "Blue" Californians moving to Boise. As others mentioned, it would be even better if Idaho absorbed much of Oregon (five counties already voted for it) but I think that will never happen.

   I certainly would.  i would be in the mountains and just watch it all burn.  AS it is, that is not the case, and for my kid's futures (meaning they are 75% white, and there is some serious white hate right now that is being full on endorsed by policy makers) I prefer they go somewhere where being smart and hard working might still mean something.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #98 on: June 21, 2021, 07:48:21 PM »
I've considered leaving. Some things that are on the horizon will force me to:

1. Wealth taxes. When the government starts to confiscate property, it is time to leave. They will start taking rich people's property first, and then extend it to the middle-class within a few years. After all, we need to pay "our fair share"!
2. When the great firewall goes up in the US. This is already starting: big tech firms are working with ISPs to build "walled gardens" for domestic Internet traffic. Google and MS will censor search terms and images, while your ISP will make you sign a EULA that confirms you won't go to any "forbidden sites". They will block traffic under the pretense that they are fighting "hate" and "white supremacy".
3. SCOTUS gets packed by the Democrats, and activist judges affirm things like hate-speech laws. People start getting thrown in jail for writing history books or posting edgy memes.
4. Crime continues to skyrocket, police departments are defunded, riots all over, etc. --the country starts looking like a 3rd world, destabilized shithole

There are countries in the world that have citizenship by investment (Turkey, Egypt, Portugal, etc.) and others that have golden visa programs, like the UAE, Spain, and some Eastern European nations

When my civil liberties are taken away, and my family is in danger, I will take my money to another country

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #99 on: June 22, 2021, 07:44:29 AM »
I was reading this thread with interest, but the comment by Silas1066 about the internet firewalls has sparked my interest. This is basically internet apartheid of desirables and undesirables if i understood correctly. Yeah, this makes sense, dividing people into smaller groups is standart. So, if it gets ground in USA then eventually itll come to my country. We love all ideas ''new'' from America, especially making them happen here. Back to the actual topic.

I considered moving in the past. Germany mostly. Over time i have dropped the idea, as Germany has changed their stance on many things. I think ill stay where i am, out of conformism and because im getting older.

Moving into USA is really not in the cards for me, and i never wanted to. I grew up watching american tv. To be honest, it never looked as a place to grow old in, there was always some struggle of the week. Now if one were to look at it objectively now, to get into USA one would have to have valuable skills, have prospects, be one of the people who have ''noticable worth''. Frankly, that type of person can get a good life anywhere and there are better alternatives.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #100 on: June 29, 2021, 08:26:15 PM »
I've considered leaving. Some things that are on the horizon will force me to:

1. Wealth taxes. When the government starts to confiscate property, it is time to leave. They will start taking rich people's property first, and then extend it to the middle-class within a few years. After all, we need to pay "our fair share"!
2. When the great firewall goes up in the US. This is already starting: big tech firms are working with ISPs to build "walled gardens" for domestic Internet traffic. Google and MS will censor search terms and images, while your ISP will make you sign a EULA that confirms you won't go to any "forbidden sites". They will block traffic under the pretense that they are fighting "hate" and "white supremacy".
3. SCOTUS gets packed by the Democrats, and activist judges affirm things like hate-speech laws. People start getting thrown in jail for writing history books or posting edgy memes.
4. Crime continues to skyrocket, police departments are defunded, riots all over, etc. --the country starts looking like a 3rd world, destabilized shithole

There are countries in the world that have citizenship by investment (Turkey, Egypt, Portugal, etc.) and others that have golden visa programs, like the UAE, Spain, and some Eastern European nations

When my civil liberties are taken away, and my family is in danger, I will take my money to another country

All valid concerns.  The problem is where to go that isn't going to have the same issues?  Europe is done for, except maybe Poland but they'll have Russian trouble before too long.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2021, 07:06:27 AM »
I've considered leaving. Some things that are on the horizon will force me to:

1. Wealth taxes. When the government starts to confiscate property, it is time to leave. They will start taking rich people's property first, and then extend it to the middle-class within a few years. After all, we need to pay "our fair share"!
2. When the great firewall goes up in the US. This is already starting: big tech firms are working with ISPs to build "walled gardens" for domestic Internet traffic. Google and MS will censor search terms and images, while your ISP will make you sign a EULA that confirms you won't go to any "forbidden sites". They will block traffic under the pretense that they are fighting "hate" and "white supremacy".
3. SCOTUS gets packed by the Democrats, and activist judges affirm things like hate-speech laws. People start getting thrown in jail for writing history books or posting edgy memes.
4. Crime continues to skyrocket, police departments are defunded, riots all over, etc. --the country starts looking like a 3rd world, destabilized shithole

There are countries in the world that have citizenship by investment (Turkey, Egypt, Portugal, etc.) and others that have golden visa programs, like the UAE, Spain, and some Eastern European nations

When my civil liberties are taken away, and my family is in danger, I will take my money to another country

All valid concerns.  The problem is where to go that isn't going to have the same issues?  Europe is done for, except maybe Poland but they'll have Russian trouble before too long.
You could migrate to the Principality of Sealand.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2021, 08:04:07 AM »
 :(  sorry, double post
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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2021, 08:04:35 AM »
I've considered leaving. Some things that are on the horizon will force me to:

1. Wealth taxes. When the government starts to confiscate property, it is time to leave. They will start taking rich people's property first, and then extend it to the middle-class within a few years. After all, we need to pay "our fair share"!
2. When the great firewall goes up in the US. This is already starting: big tech firms are working with ISPs to build "walled gardens" for domestic Internet traffic. Google and MS will censor search terms and images, while your ISP will make you sign a EULA that confirms you won't go to any "forbidden sites". They will block traffic under the pretense that they are fighting "hate" and "white supremacy".
3. SCOTUS gets packed by the Democrats, and activist judges affirm things like hate-speech laws. People start getting thrown in jail for writing history books or posting edgy memes.
4. Crime continues to skyrocket, police departments are defunded, riots all over, etc. --the country starts looking like a 3rd world, destabilized shithole

There are countries in the world that have citizenship by investment (Turkey, Egypt, Portugal, etc.) and others that have golden visa programs, like the UAE, Spain, and some Eastern European nations

When my civil liberties are taken away, and my family is in danger, I will take my money to another country

All valid concerns.  The problem is where to go that isn't going to have the same issues?  Europe is done for, except maybe Poland but they'll have Russian trouble before too long.
You could migrate to the Principality of Sealand.
Lord "The Spaniard" doesn't sound quite right.  We'd have to do something with that.