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Author Topic: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?  (Read 4963 times)

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2021, 12:48:15 AM »
I think of Mars every now and then. But for real, best countries down south are Brazil and Peru. Brazil is intense, check this out. This is a regular night in Rio’s favelas and it’s part of the city’s soundtrack.



Lots of real freedom there if you can survive on a broken economy. Then there’s Copa Cabana, Churrasco (BBQ), Parties, beautiful women, etc. All of that in Rio and Sao Paulo mostly.

Peru is lot more laid back, it also got the best food in the world! A rich culture, insane  patriotism, and the economy is doing fairly better than Brazil’s. Real state prices are a bit high if you want to live in a good zone, like the green coast in Lima. Transportation is superb to be honest. Lot’s of buses, cabs, mototaxis. Everything else is pretty affordable, exception of imports, cars, malls. Going to the movies is a bit of a luxury for a family there. You don’t need a car, most backroads are full of potholes and if you don’t have a driveway it’s a bit of a headache. Live to eat, explore, sleep, rinse, repeat. South America isn’t for materialists. New tech is very very expensive in both countries by the way.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2021, 08:41:52 AM »
I think of Mars every now and then. But for real, best countries down south are Brazil and Peru. Brazil is intense, check this out. This is a regular night in Rio’s favelas and it’s part of the city’s soundtrack.



Lots of real freedom there if you can survive on a broken economy. Then there’s Copa Cabana, Churrasco (BBQ), Parties, beautiful women, etc. All of that in Rio and Sao Paulo mostly.

Peru is lot more laid back, it also got the best food in the world! A rich culture, insane  patriotism, and the economy is doing fairly better than Brazil’s. Real state prices are a bit high if you want to live in a good zone, like the green coast in Lima. Transportation is superb to be honest. Lot’s of buses, cabs, mototaxis. Everything else is pretty affordable, exception of imports, cars, malls. Going to the movies is a bit of a luxury for a family there. You don’t need a car, most backroads are full of potholes and if you don’t have a driveway it’s a bit of a headache. Live to eat, explore, sleep, rinse, repeat. South America isn’t for materialists. New tech is very very expensive in both countries by the way.

   If I was single, Brazil would have been top of the list.  But I am not, so it is not on the top 10.  I scanned Peru, and will take a second look.  Top 3 are Ecuador, Uruguay, and Panama.     Imports (especially electronics) seem pricey in all of them, but I am not a materialist in any way.  I could go to living with no power and no running water.  I can not convince the wife to do that however. 

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2021, 08:11:16 PM »
Yes, and I have to move in the next 3 months anyway.

I suspect I can actually get a Lithuanian passport, but I'm hesitant to move there due to the growing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Also weather.

Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia all seem like great places to live if you can handle the long winters. Relatively modern & developed but low cost of living. Low crime, smart populations.

The US regime will probably instigate a war with Russia in the next decade, but even with the potential for conflict, I doubt it would actually involve those countries to the point where moving there would pose more risk than living in major US cities.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2021, 08:52:19 PM »
Yes, and I have to move in the next 3 months anyway.

I suspect I can actually get a Lithuanian passport, but I'm hesitant to move there due to the growing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Also weather.

Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia all seem like great places to live if you can handle the long winters. Relatively modern & developed but low cost of living. Low crime, smart populations.

The US regime will probably instigate a war with Russia in the next decade, but even with the potential for conflict, I doubt it would actually involve those countries to the point where moving there would pose more risk than living in major US cities.

  You know I was thinking about this sort of thing the other day, safety in the USA and how often people in it say that word as soon as they hear about someone moving to another country.  Well, I grew up in a small town (maybe 6k people by the time I graduated High school) and I personally know 3(thought it was 2 and just remembered another one) people who were shot, 2 people who were murdered and two others who murdered people, and one who was caught up in a murder charge (no idea how it turned out).  All these events within 5 miles of the middle of town, except the fellow who was implicated in a murder, and I had another friend who was murdered just outside DC who was from the same town (I did not count him in the carnage count).  Daily when we were in the Shipyard in Newport News the POD (sort of the command news) there was a report of some sailor stabbed, shot, or robbed in town.   

   So in looking back over the course of my life, I think Americans are waaay too convinced of how safe the country is.  Murder rates as a determiner of violent crime rates for instance I think are very bad, as the USA probably has the best ER doctors in the world, and likely are so good at treating gunshots and trauma from violence they probably save many, many, many people who would have died in other countries. 

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2021, 02:41:56 PM »
Yes, and I have to move in the next 3 months anyway.

I suspect I can actually get a Lithuanian passport, but I'm hesitant to move there due to the growing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Also weather.

Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia all seem like great places to live if you can handle the long winters. Relatively modern & developed but low cost of living. Low crime, smart populations.

The US regime will probably instigate a war with Russia in the next decade, but even with the potential for conflict, I doubt it would actually involve those countries to the point where moving there would pose more risk than living in major US cities.

  You know I was thinking about this sort of thing the other day, safety in the USA and how often people in it say that word as soon as they hear about someone moving to another country.  Well, I grew up in a small town (maybe 6k people by the time I graduated High school) and I personally know 3(thought it was 2 and just remembered another one) people who were shot, 2 people who were murdered and two others who murdered people, and one who was caught up in a murder charge (no idea how it turned out).  All these events within 5 miles of the middle of town, except the fellow who was implicated in a murder, and I had another friend who was murdered just outside DC who was from the same town (I did not count him in the carnage count).  Daily when we were in the Shipyard in Newport News the POD (sort of the command news) there was a report of some sailor stabbed, shot, or robbed in town.   

   So in looking back over the course of my life, I think Americans are waaay too convinced of how safe the country is.  Murder rates as a determiner of violent crime rates for instance I think are very bad, as the USA probably has the best ER doctors in the world, and likely are so good at treating gunshots and trauma from violence they probably save many, many, many people who would have died in other countries.

That seems like quite a big aberration given the population size.

In general though, I agree that the US has a low level simmer of violence that most people are basically unaware of or actively ignore. Every big city in the US has more violent crime than these entire countries.

I know personally some people are taking advantage of the overall move-to-telecommute norm to move to more favorable areas. Honestly it's one of the most positive things to come out of 2020 and I hope it sticks. The world would be a saner place if we can move to communities that suit our tastes.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2021, 05:08:47 PM »
Yes, and I have to move in the next 3 months anyway.

I suspect I can actually get a Lithuanian passport, but I'm hesitant to move there due to the growing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. Also weather.

Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia all seem like great places to live if you can handle the long winters. Relatively modern & developed but low cost of living. Low crime, smart populations.

The US regime will probably instigate a war with Russia in the next decade, but even with the potential for conflict, I doubt it would actually involve those countries to the point where moving there would pose more risk than living in major US cities.

  You know I was thinking about this sort of thing the other day, safety in the USA and how often people in it say that word as soon as they hear about someone moving to another country.  Well, I grew up in a small town (maybe 6k people by the time I graduated High school) and I personally know 3(thought it was 2 and just remembered another one) people who were shot, 2 people who were murdered and two others who murdered people, and one who was caught up in a murder charge (no idea how it turned out).  All these events within 5 miles of the middle of town, except the fellow who was implicated in a murder, and I had another friend who was murdered just outside DC who was from the same town (I did not count him in the carnage count).  Daily when we were in the Shipyard in Newport News the POD (sort of the command news) there was a report of some sailor stabbed, shot, or robbed in town.   

   So in looking back over the course of my life, I think Americans are waaay too convinced of how safe the country is.  Murder rates as a determiner of violent crime rates for instance I think are very bad, as the USA probably has the best ER doctors in the world, and likely are so good at treating gunshots and trauma from violence they probably save many, many, many people who would have died in other countries.

That seems like quite a big aberration given the population size.

In general though, I agree that the US has a low level simmer of violence that most people are basically unaware of or actively ignore. Every big city in the US has more violent crime than these entire countries.

I know personally some people are taking advantage of the overall move-to-telecommute norm to move to more favorable areas. Honestly it's one of the most positive things to come out of 2020 and I hope it sticks. The world would be a saner place if we can move to communities that suit our tastes.

  Well, it is over the course of my life, not all in a year or two.  So not really that much of an aberration.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2021, 01:00:03 AM »
Secession is the smarter move for Americans. Each side of the culture war needs to forge their own utopia. At the moment, we are seeing soft secession via the different legislation in red vs. blue areas. The big moment will be if chunks of Oregon truly become part of Idaho next year. If that occurs, that will usher in a dozen "soft secession" movements across the country.

However, for those looking to leave the USA entirely, I highly recommend doing a "test move" for a year before you pull up stakes entirely. Fortunately, the internet is full of videos / blogs from ex-pats with varieties of experience in various nations and I'd spend significant time communicating with ex-pats to understand what they would do differently.

Best to take advantage of others' mistakes when possible.

PS: I suspect something very interesting is going to happen in Eastern Europe in the next decade. There's been slow rumblings, but who knows.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2021, 08:34:11 AM »
Where is there to go?

I talked to a guy from Canada who said Heinlein was an asshole for not recanting Starship Troopers. The guy admitted to never reading it and relying on hearsay from people who hate Heinlein.


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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2021, 09:04:10 AM »
Secession is the smarter move for Americans. Each side of the culture war needs to forge their own utopia. At the moment, we are seeing soft secession via the different legislation in red vs. blue areas. The big moment will be if chunks of Oregon truly become part of Idaho next year. If that occurs, that will usher in a dozen "soft secession" movements across the country.

However, for those looking to leave the USA entirely, I highly recommend doing a "test move" for a year before you pull up stakes entirely. Fortunately, the internet is full of videos / blogs from ex-pats with varieties of experience in various nations and I'd spend significant time communicating with ex-pats to understand what they would do differently.

Best to take advantage of others' mistakes when possible.

PS: I suspect something very interesting is going to happen in Eastern Europe in the next decade. There's been slow rumblings, but who knows.

  Oh, it would be a process that likely would take me a total of 4 years to complete.  I would spend a year there before I made a final decision to walk the last bit.   I find it quite interesting I saw and article about the USA wanting a global 15% minimum income tax...I guess that is one way to stay competitive, make everyone do as you do at gun point.   Secession I am not so optimistic about, even if it happens, I think that ends in blood and chaos.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2021, 09:07:20 AM »
Where is there to go?

I talked to a guy from Canada who said Heinlein was an asshole for not recanting Starship Troopers. The guy admitted to never reading it and relying on hearsay from people who hate Heinlein.
 
   I think individual tolerance for having a different sort of life probably widens or narrows your band of choices there.   To me, Canada was never even a consideration, though people always joke about moving there, I never understood it (more socialism and worse weather, what a selling point).  But I will take scouting trips before I make an initial move, and speak to as many expats on the ground as I can to get more perspective.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2021, 02:24:38 PM »
Canada is fine.  If you live outside Toronto or Vancouver, you'll see the Canada that's worth seeing.  Not that these aren't fine cities but insanely expensive: the highest housing prices for Canada (and the US!) are currently Vancouver, Toronto and Hamilton.  If your need big city prepare to pay through the nose.

We're a patriotic people and love our country: diverse landscapes, friendly people and a variety of cultural history.

The healthcare is good:  my first son was a super-premature birth and I estimate the costs to keep him alive were well over a million dollars.  I only had to pay for parking at the hospital.  I don't need to convince an insurance company to insure him with his history:  it's covered.

Our country is not perfect and we all don't always get along but we do our best.

Also I'm a Liberal voter (shock) so I guess take that into account. :)

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2021, 02:29:28 PM »
I don’t understand why the USA doesn’t have universal healthcare. 19th century Germany did.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2021, 08:10:23 PM »
I don’t understand why the USA doesn’t have universal healthcare. 19th century Germany did.

   I do.  Because we have a FUCKING MASSIVE military.  We also have insurance companies as the #1 lobbies to congress.  Congress and the murder machine aint got no time for paying medical bills, not when more bullets, bombs and no neck spec ops guys need multi million dollar training.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2021, 09:16:56 PM »
"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke

There are a lot of problems with the U.S. health care system. But people who babble on about the joys of British or even Canadian healthcare have never tried to get a timely MRI procedure done in those countries.

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Re: Anyone here ever seriously consider moving or move out the the USA?
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2021, 09:18:44 PM »
"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke

There are a lot of problems with the U.S. health care system. But people who babble on about the joys of British or even Canadian healthcare have never tried to get a timely MRI procedure done in those countries.

   This I also agree with.  The government does not do anything well or efficiently.  It is almost as if the government and its many agencies prioritize their own eternal existence over the actual good and service to citizens.