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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2021, 05:13:27 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

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I am a moderate. Being a moderate relative to someone who is pretty hard right is a great distance. However you should know I am currently having this identical conversation with someone who is on the hard left (on a sports message board), who constantly calls me an alt-righter and a fascist right-winger. He views me that way for the same reason many here view me as a SJW left-winger. The distance between my moderate views and his hard left views is as far as the distance between someone like yourself and me.

Ultimately this is sort of tribalism. I don't fit well with either tribe, so both tribes think I must belong to the other one.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2021, 05:14:55 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

   I do not know that I rate as conservative (well at least till maybe around 2015 and it sort of became a binary thing), but I certainly buy that mistwell is what he says he is, a neocon.  I can honestly say alot of neocon track record is pretty shitty on policies and my world view, I do think that is what he is.   It actually makes sense, lots of neocons hated trump quite a bit, and I never see him getting behind what I would call flagrant SJW point of views, boomer - ish for sure, but I would not say what I see leftists pushing these days.  I think he just likes a dust up, contrarian or verbally combative is likely his nature and I think he probably gets a bit of a jump start engaging in it (no sin in that, forums are full of people, like me, who enjoy those sorts of interactions).

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2021, 05:19:25 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

   I do not know that I rate as conservative (well at least till maybe around 2015 and it sort of became a binary thing), but I certainly buy that mistwell is what he says he is, a neocon.  I can honestly say alot of neocon track record is pretty shitty on policies and my world view, I do think that is what he is.   It actually makes sense, lots of neocons hated trump quite a bit, and I never see him getting behind what I would call flagrant SJW point of views, boomer - ish for sure, but I would not say what I see leftists pushing these days.  I think he just likes a dust up, contrarian or verbally combative is likely his nature and I think he probably gets a bit of a jump start engaging in it (no sin in that, forums are full of people, like me, who enjoy those sorts of interactions).

Yes I think that's a fair assessment. Except boomer-ish. I am firmly Gen-X. I'd prove it to you, but I am way too lazy and care too little to do that...which should be proof enough I am Gen-X.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2021, 05:21:57 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

   I do not know that I rate as conservative (well at least till maybe around 2015 and it sort of became a binary thing), but I certainly buy that mistwell is what he says he is, a neocon.  I can honestly say alot of neocon track record is pretty shitty on policies and my world view, I do think that is what he is.   It actually makes sense, lots of neocons hated trump quite a bit, and I never see him getting behind what I would call flagrant SJW point of views, boomer - ish for sure, but I would not say what I see leftists pushing these days.  I think he just likes a dust up, contrarian or verbally combative is likely his nature and I think he probably gets a bit of a jump start engaging in it (no sin in that, forums are full of people, like me, who enjoy those sorts of interactions).

Yes I think that's a fair assessment. Except boomer-ish. I am firmly Gen-X. I'd prove it to you, but I am way too lazy and care too little to do that...which should be proof enough I am Gen-X.
  I believe you are Gen-X.  I said point of views can be a touch boomer-ish.  But that is subjective.  Lots of gen-x'ers trend boomer-ish in world view.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2021, 05:33:25 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because he's not conservative. Nor is he moderate. He's just another leftist creep.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2021, 05:57:34 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because he's not conservative. Nor is he moderate. He's just another leftist creep.

Greetings!

For some reason, I have always thought of self-professing "Moderates" as being stand-ins for Grima Wormtongue. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2021, 06:30:55 PM »
The strange part about Democrats and the Left allowing in a flood of illegals is this: Mexicans overall hate American blacks, and in some places have pretty much displaced them.

So you have the Left, on the one hand supporting the rioting and looting of BLM, while on the other in effect importing a proxy racist army.


And therein lies the endless contradiction, the Golem running amok: ever since the 1990's, and this I remember all too well, it was made clear that only whites can be racist. Therefore no matter what an illegal from Mexico does or says to blacks he, being a brown person, cannot possibly be racist.

I swear- if space aliens came down and removed all straight white men the entire Left would consume itself in a way that would make post-Soviet Yugoslavia look like a May pole dance.

« Last Edit: August 30, 2021, 06:33:43 PM by GriswaldTerrastone »
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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2021, 06:39:46 PM »
The strange part about Democrats and the Left allowing in a flood of illegals is this: Mexicans overall hate American blacks, and in some places have pretty much displaced them.

So you have the Left, on the one hand supporting the rioting and looting of BLM, while on the other in effect importing a proxy racist army.


And therein lies the endless contradiction, the Golem running amok: ever since the 1990's, and this I remember all too well, it was made clear that only whites can be racist. Therefore no matter what an illegal from Mexico does or says to blacks he, being a brown person, cannot possibly be racist.

I swear- if space aliens came down and removed all straight white men the entire Left would consume itself in a way that would make post-Soviet Yugoslavia look like a May pole dance.

   I do not know if I can say overall, and not so certain as to how we could see if that is true, but... I did hear some very strong points of view from the crew of guys I worked with (all 14 were from Mexico), and honestly I think a Klan rally might have sounded more open minded.   I have also heard some very strong opinions from black men I know, and have worked with.  So not so sure if there is an animosity on a large scale, or I just ran into examples of both groups who felt at odds with the others.   Maybe it is just white supremacy?

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2021, 06:49:24 PM »
You have to remember that whites are the only group not allowed to have a preference for its own. You know, like everyone else does. Just an hour ago on the front page of a local paper was a BIG article about how young black medical students MUST have black mentors.
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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2021, 06:51:59 PM »
Fun fact.  Trump received more votes from California than any other state.  He received more than 6 million votes from Californians, more than from either Texas or Florida (or any other state, really).

I try to tell people that California has a lot of Republicans and Independents but it's always met with more stereotypes about California. Because "California: The Left Coast" makes for good clickbait.

Yes, I can confirm that there are a lot more conservatives here than most outsiders think. Just go on a little trip to the countryside and suddenly people’s attitudes are completely different. But what matters is proportion, you know? LA is an enormous city with a huge liberal population. Add a few more left leaning cities and you have a state with a big liberal majority. By the way, I’m not sure if others can confirm but I think the contrast is even starker in Oregon; as in a few hyper-liberal cities but otherwise a large conservative population in the countryside.

  I think that is called "The Tyranny of the Majority"
More like 'the tyranny of worthless vermin who've made sure they can cheatsy-doodle their way out of any consequence'.

The word is out that the printing machines will be going 'brrr' to keep Elder from taking Newsom's chair.

Oh "the word." Well that's settled then. Also, "tyranny of the worthless vermin majority" but apparently not a majority since they'd have to cheat to win the election? It's like you're not even trying any more.
Nobody cares what you think. Go make some more excuses for the junta.

LOL I am voting in favor recall, gathered some signatures for it, and I'm gathering signatures for the recall of our shitty District Attorney as well. But those facts don't work well with your narrative so you go on thinking I am some SJW leftie or whatever.

Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That says more about the majority of posters here than it does about him.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2021, 06:58:09 PM »
You have to remember that whites are the only group not allowed to have a preference for its own. You know, like everyone else does. Just an hour ago on the front page of a local paper was a BIG article about how young black medical students MUST have black mentors.

Greetings!

Yeah, all of that is Marxist bullshit. And mindless racism. Black, Black, Black. Anything blacks want or think is good. White peopleor anyone else can't want the same things. That's white supreme pizza! Fucking bullshit. Blacks can talk all about "I think you should only date your own race"--they are stunning, brave, and proud. A white person saying the same thing, OH MY GOD! WAYCISMSSSS!

Minorities can now have Minority-only graduation ceremonies, dormitories, and programs. Whites, of course, must get on their knees and swallow fucking diversity! GULP IT THE FUCK DOWN!

The fucking hypocrisy, racism and hatred of these Liberal, Marxists fucktards is infuriating.

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« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2021, 07:24:17 PM »
Greetings!

Mistwell, don't you find it funny or strange how no Conservative member here believes that you are actually Conservative? You often protest that you are not an SJW or a Leftist--but there are few people here that would agree with such an assessment.

Semper Fidelis,

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That says more about the majority of posters here than it does about him.
This is another one of those times we can act shocked that we agree.

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« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2021, 07:29:06 PM »
  I do not see all that much that looks "far right" either.  I do see some political bickering where people who disagree about something end up being the enemy camp, but I also see some trolling and fishing about for an argument or two, so I am not sure it is a case of moderate looking far away from far right, or someone just calling who ever they disagree with the person they disagree with the most.   I guess I should ask, what is a far right stance?   I remember LOTS of centrist bipartisan stances from around the 90's that are called far right all the time now.  So it gets pretty hard to keep up.

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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2021, 07:37:18 PM »
  I do not see all that much that looks "far right" either.  I do see some political bickering where people who disagree about something end up being the enemy camp, but I also see some trolling and fishing about for an argument or two, so I am not sure it is a case of moderate looking far away from far right, or someone just calling who ever they disagree with the person they disagree with the most.   I guess I should ask, what is a far right stance?   I remember LOTS of centrist bipartisan stances from around the 90's that are called far right all the time now.  So it gets pretty hard to keep up.
Most of the people on the board seem to be strongly leftist on social issues. At least by 90s standards.

A lot of the differences seem pretty artificial. It's tribalism, rather than substantive differences. That's why two branches of a neoliberal/neocon monoparty, who agreed on 99.99% of all things, and only disagreed on a few social hot-button issues, managed to become more and more polarized.

Of course that's complicated by another factor, the rise of real extremism in one of the factions, and its tacit and even active acceptance by the bulk of the leadership.

We're in a world where the differences used to be mostly token, but a good chunk of the world seems to have gone crazy, and a new alignment hasn't emerged. That's why it's all so confusing, because it's fluctuating wildly and nobody knows what will stick.

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Re: Any Californians here?
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2021, 09:10:40 PM »
You have to remember that whites are the only group not allowed to have a preference for its own. You know, like everyone else does. Just an hour ago on the front page of a local paper was a BIG article about how young black medical students MUST have black mentors.

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