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The Blue Model Failures.

Started by Ulairi, April 20, 2018, 12:06:56 PM

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Mordred Pendragon

Quote from: Headless;1036728Cap and trade isn't a system to prevent emissions, its a way of moving money around.  

Economists who study the environment are infavor of cabon taxes.  They work, unfortunately they prevent pollution in one country and it pops up somewhere else.  Europe has dropped their carbon production by 20ish % and over the same time they increased their carbon consumption.

They just bought the same amount but made in China which has very dirty industry.  

I think carbon tarrifs (tax on imports based on the embeded carbon) is worth a shot.

I find your ideas interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, a carbon tax would be a good idea.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Opaopajr

Appalachia should get into the fungus trade. It's sustainable and rich profits. But only if they maintain their quality sour mash on the side. :)
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Spinachcat

Quote from: Opaopajr;1036230If you think this is too dense, that means you've internalized car-culture.

I don't want to live in MegaCity One. Necromunda is extremely fun to play, but sucks to be a resident.

We only have so much beach front, so much lake front and so much mountains to view. I remember the beach towns 40 years ago and its a far cry today. Its not an improvement for beach shacks to cost millions and be built atop one another. Look at the fire disaster in Ventura and San Barbara, thanks to building up the sides of mountains, stacking blocks of houses in places known for wildfires, yet we are surprised by the...wildfires.

More people = more housing = more crowding = less quality of life.

But I agree on the value of walking/wheel culture and the poor planning of CA cities.


Quote from: Opaopajr;1036230We are looking at empire in decline and oligarchic rapine. Our assets are being speculated upon because we're least likely to bomb ourselves and thus wipe out investments. It's a way for foreign oligarchs to store money overseas and to appease the cost of our imperial extortion. Nothing more.

Excellent observation.


Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036708Coal is dead and we should rejoice instead of trying to beat a dead horse like Trump is.

Coal is a $30B industry in the US. I don't like coal as an energy source, but the coal industry makes money.


Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036708Environmental Regulations and Green Energy did NOT kill the coal jobs. Hydraulic fracking and Mountaintop Removal did.

Have you seen the effects of fracking and mountaintop removal firsthand?


Quote from: Opaopajr;1036738Appalachia should get into the fungus trade. It's sustainable and rich profits. But only if they maintain their quality sour mash on the side. :)

Do you mean magic mushrooms?

Or do you mean using the old mines for growing organic portabellas and shiitakes?


Quote from: Ras Algethi;1036713Some environmental regulations being good does not mean that all environmental regulations are good.

THIS. It is imperative that environmental regulations produce results, not just feel good soundbites for votes.

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036714Considering that you claim to be agnostic, yet you spew Puritan rhetoric and deny the existence of Climate Change despite all scientific evidence proving you wrong, it looks like you're the hypocrite.

What the fuck does religion, or lack thereof, have to do with the topic of onerous environmental regulations?

What denial of "climate change and all scientific evidence"?

Are you having conversations with your pillows?

Next time you want to rant about "Puritans" replace it with "Jews" and see how fucking unhinged you are.

Mordred Pendragon

Quote from: Spinachcat;1036760Have you seen the effects of fracking and mountaintop removal firsthand?

I have seen the effects of Mountaintop Removal firsthand, it is horrific and it poisons the water supply. I have relatives who live not too far from Mountaintop Removal sites.

I think Mountaintop Removal should be outlawed.


Quote from: Ras Algethi;1036782What the fuck does religion, or lack thereof, have to do with the topic of onerous environmental regulations?

What denial of "climate change and all scientific evidence"?

Are you having conversations with your pillows?

Next time you want to rant about "Puritans" replace it with "Jews" and see how fucking unhinged you are.

I had sex with your wife.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1036112Ahh Cap and Trade the "hey, pollution isn't bad if you pay the State enough" program.

Quote from: Headless;1036728Cap and trade isn't a system to prevent emissions, its a way of moving money around.

We say essentially the same thing yet Sammy, on the first one you go on an anti-religion tear on the second you suck his dick like he was a pillow.

Why?

Mordred Pendragon

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1036816We say essentially the same thing yet Sammy, on the first one you go on an anti-religion tear on the second you suck his dick like he was a pillow.

Why?

Because I'm always on the war path, it's a real problem I have.

Plus, there's the fact that you are a right-wing douche.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Ras Algethi

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1036818Because I'm always on the war path, it's a real problem I have.

Plus, there's the fact that you are a right-wing douche.

I would say bigot is more your style.

Mordred Pendragon

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1036820I would say bigot is more your style.

Meh, coming from you, that's funny.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Opaopajr

#54
Quote from: Spinachcat;1036760I don't want to live in MegaCity One. Necromunda is extremely fun to play, but sucks to be a resident.

We only have so much beach front, so much lake front and so much mountains to view. I remember the beach towns 40 years ago and its a far cry today. Its not an improvement for beach shacks to cost millions and be built atop one another. Look at the fire disaster in Ventura and San Barbara, thanks to building up the sides of mountains, stacking blocks of houses in places known for wildfires, yet we are surprised by the...wildfires.

More people = more housing = more crowding = less quality of life.

But I agree on the value of walking/wheel culture and the poor planning of CA cities.

Don't knock it until you try it! :D I very much do not subscribe to that equation. You'll be surprised how much space you can get in a hyper-dense city. Without having to duplicate all our 'pleasure palaces' within our home proper, you suddenly realize all the extra space you have when you are renting things you have no desire to retain.

I love counting the excess and unused rooms in suburbia:

the Formal Dining Room = either: the room with the large waist high shelf that collects crap, or First Forbidden Room! (it's just for looks, like parseley!)
the Rec Room/Man Cave = The Guys' Night Out replaced by earshot so as to assist collating the revenge honey-do list, also stores spare gaudy furniture & art.
the Formal Living Room/Parlor = the Second Forbidden Room! (it's just for looks for when guests come, like house parseley.)
Exercise Room = Lair of Complex Clothes Hangers.
Breakfast Nook = either: too small to function, so it's the extra Thanksgiving dishes spillway, or where the newspaper and bills pile up as you have your daily caffeine.
Three-Car Garage = The mega storage unit, packed to the rafters, almost never enough room for a car (or seasonal, between massive quotidian fugues). Besides, everyone has a car flotilla -- 1.5 cars per person -- so who wants to deal with trapping a car in the garage when you need to go someplace?
The Two-Story ATRIUM! = because that lonesome chandelier and outrageous heating bill is de rigeuer!
Storage Shed = Where the lawnmower of past aspiration (and other garden tools) reside... the gardener bypasses it regularly on their way to do your yards.
The Patio/"Outdoor Room" = She had a fit of pique when watching Home and Garden TV. It now houses mildewed furnishings and an iron brazier, and nobody else.
Wine Cellar/Personal Theater/Solarium/etc. = That room that tells you for which class, and during which decade, this home was made. Outside of brief early visits, and frustrated contemplation sessions during separation/divorce, is another "parseley room."
etc...

Add your own! (Mmm, that quality of life... :D )

We waste so much space here in car culture America... Why, I could easily fit a sixteen story highrise in each of the 'leaves' of a clover-leaf freeway interchange, possibly more! :) Add a few skyways to connect the buildings above street level and it's even more fun!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1036760Do you mean magic mushrooms?

Or do you mean using the old mines for growing organic portabellas and shiitakes?

Nope, regular food mushrooms! That stuff is worth big money!
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

Spinachcat

Opa, "house parsley" is one of the greatest things I've read in a long time. THANK YOU!!

And you are hysterically dead on regarding each of the parsley rooms.

But when I talk quality of life, I mean open space, less din of traffic and the ability to go outside, to park or local hiking trail without a highway of meat rushing past.

Have you been to Avila Beach? Its a tiny hamlet near SLO. PG&E just sold land for 18,000 homes to be built. So goodbye cute beach town. I'm not a fan of that.

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