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Alan Moore Adaptations fund BLM

Started by Zalman, September 14, 2023, 08:58:22 AM

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Darrin Kelley

#30
Quote from: David Johansen on September 20, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
To be fair he admits this and is sorry.

Sorry doesn't undo the damage. And Moore has done exactly nothing to undo the damage to the industry he did.
 

Scooter

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on September 21, 2023, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on September 20, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
To be fair he admits this and is sorry.

Sorry doesn't undo the damage. And Moore has done exactly nothing to undo the damage to the industry he did.

Anyone funding a fasict org is not "sorry" about destroying things.  What kind of idiot would buy that?
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Darrin Kelley

#32
Yes. It's like an arsonist saying he is sorry after he burned a whole city down. And then inspired a whole generation of other arsonists, who proceeded to light the whole world ablaze.
 

Scooter

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on September 21, 2023, 10:04:01 AM
Yes. It's like an arsonist saying he is sorry after he burned a whole city down. And then inspired a whole generation of other arsonists, who proceeded to light the whole world ablaze.

Yep.  But as P.T. used to say, "There's a sucker born every minute."  Those who will stand in front of the mass murderer nodding their heads as he says, "Gee golly, I'm real sorry."
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Abraxus

Even then it's all good to be sorry after they were paid. It's like Peter Benchley regretting that his Jaws novel caused people to fear sharks. Many years later after once again profiting off his work.

Fuck Alan Moire anyone that looks like a discount homeless Rasputin on purpose has nothing to tell or preach to anyone.

David Johansen

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on September 21, 2023, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: David Johansen on September 20, 2023, 07:21:32 PM
To be fair he admits this and is sorry.

Sorry doesn't undo the damage. And Moore has done exactly nothing to undo the damage to the industry he did.

So, I take it you're not a fan of Lost Girls?  :D

Anyhow, I thnk Tom Strong, Top Ten, Promethea, and so forth all reflect his attempts to reach back to the innocence of an earlier time.  The problem is that if you're not writing Superman, Batman, or Spiderman your impact on the comics industry is minimal at best.
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Trond

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on September 19, 2023, 07:22:04 PM
Alan Moore was one of the two people responsible for decimating modern comics. By causing them to only serve an adult audience. Circulation went through the floor and hasn't stopped.
How on earth did he do that?? And who's the other one?

Darrin Kelley

Quote from: Trond on September 21, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
How on earth did he do that?? And who's the other one?

Alan Moore wrote The Watchmen. Which has been copied endlessly by other writers since. The Watchmen was a very adult oriented book in an era where the majority of comics the big publishers produced were not.

Since then, the entire industry flipped to serving the adult audience exclusively. And abandoned all others. Causing overall circulation to shrink starkly in response. A shrinkage that has never stopped. It got to the point where editorial was so enamoured with Watchmen that they wanted all of their other books to be Watchmen. So that's what they turned them into.

Frank Miller was the other writer who contributed to all comics becoming adult.
 

Trond

I was half expecting Neil Gaiman to be the other one. But I think it's a bit weird to blame someone for writing a comic book a certain way.. People will buy whatever they buy, and sometimes certain things just seem new and fresh. There was no reason why younger people  would abandon comics because of that, if not that just turned un-trendy. If Alan Moore was preaching why the old comics were "bad" now that's a different story (did he?), more similar to have modern writers have been ruining several industries.

zer0th

I still like Watchmen because of the visual art. I really like the work that Gibbons did, but specially I love the work of the colourist Higgins. Having read it only in the 2000s, that more grounded linework allied to the unsual colors really gave me a nostalgia sensation, considering I was coming from the 1990s X-Men and Spawn whose visual style is anything but grounded.

But the writing didn't strike me as special. I disliked the filler story of the pirate ship. Some people love it and think it is some sort of genius move by Alan Moore. I thought it was distracting. If I wanted to read a pirate story, I would look to buy a pirate book. Later I learned that Moore, after being hired to produce 12 issues, discovered he only had six-issues worth of plot, so he had to come up with filler.

Trond

Honestly, I think Watchmen is brilliant, albeit not always the way Moore thought about it. I've never really liked much of his other stuff though.

jeff37923

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on September 21, 2023, 12:07:51 PM
Frank Miller was the other writer who contributed to all comics becoming adult.

Frank Miller celebrated the characters he wrote and drew instead of deconstructed as did Alan Moore. Just compare Batman: Dark Knight Returns to the Watchmen.
"Meh."

KindaMeh

I don't have literary chops, nor have I read the relevant material through. That said, it still saddens me that folks would give to an organization primarily based around distortion of facts which doesn't even seem to seriously support its own cause.  :-[

Darrin Kelley

You have to take into account who Alan Moore is and how Watchmen was produced.

Originally, it was going to be a reintroduction of the Charleton characters. But DC decided that they didn't want those characters reintroduced the way Moore was doing them. So Moore shifted gears and made his own pastiche characters and  proceeded to make Watchmen what as it is seen today.

Bear in mind, Moore at the time was a rebellious, petulant twat who believed he was above editors and even the publisher who was writing his checks.
 

Ruprecht

Quote from: Zalman on September 14, 2023, 08:58:22 AM
Alan Moore has told DC to forward all his TV and film royalties directly to Black Lives Matter.

https://www.ign.com/articles/alan-moore-says-hes-asked-dc-to-send-all-his-future-adaptation-royalties-to-black-lives-matter

From the article:"While Moore can't control whether or not his comics are adapted for film and TV, it's been said that he's refused the money he's entitled to by the studios, asking it to be divvied up among the adaptations' writers and other creatives."

If that's true, he's not giving up a paycheck. He gave up that paycheck long ago. He's just shifting the money to someone else. Also he's English so he probably doesn't realize BLM was exposed as a bunch of scam artists.
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