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A weird thing to stand up for: yes to scantily clad women

Started by Trond, May 22, 2019, 03:34:26 PM

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Ratman_tf

#90
July 02, 2019, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1094367You should watch Goldfinger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGFESbLMKU

That's the stuff.
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Trond

#91
July 02, 2019, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1094350....Despite that, it's pretty easy to enjoy a Bond film.  You're going to have over-the-top action stunts, you're going to have gadgets, you're going to have 'high society shindigs' and you're going to have villainous plots that need thwarting.  You don't need Bond slapping women on the butt and telling them 'man talk, honey' to be Bond.

Slapping butts or no, you kinda do need the hot chicks though. It wouldn't really be Bond without them.

GeekyBugle

#92
July 02, 2019, 08:14:18 PM
Quote from: Trond;1094388Slapping butts or no, you kinda do need the hot chicks though. It wouldn't really be Bond without them.

Xis name is Soy, James Soy, and xe likes xis soy milkshakes laced with quick drying cement to throw them in the faces of the fash
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

deadDMwalking

#93
July 02, 2019, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: Trond;1094388Slapping butts or no, you kinda do need the hot chicks though. It wouldn't really be Bond without them.

I agree that you need 'Bond Girls', but I think there has been a lot of variety over the years.  Since 'hot' is a subjective description and the girls have varied in any number of attributes, I don't think that all girls in all movies were intended to be equally attractive to all men.  Michelle Yeoh (Wai Lin/Tomorrow Never Dies) and Halle Berry (Jinx/Die Another Day) are 'ass-kickers' in their own right compared to more demure women like Shirley Eaton (Jill Masterson/Goldfinger), but OVERALL, the Bond franchise has had attractive women with more agency than other contemporary action-oriented movies.
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And when I say that you are a horse\'s ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse\'s ass.

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jhkim

#94
July 02, 2019, 10:10:55 PM
Quote from: Trond;1094388Slapping butts or no, you kinda do need the hot chicks though. It wouldn't really be Bond without them.
Heh. To throw in RPGs briefly, I ran a James Bond 007 campaign for a while -- and the most promiscuous PC was a beefy upper-class spy names Quentin who was gay. So the most regular eye-candy of the game were sensual NPCs who showed up with names like Phil McCracken and Ivan Moorcock. That campaign was a lot of fun.

As for the real movies, I feel like the series is really just rehashing the old stuff, and they need to change up something significantly to get my interest again. Spectre had all of the classic elements, and I thought it was terrible - nearly an unintentional self-parody. I could see the series going in different directions, but I don't have a strong feeling about what the change of direction should be.

Trond

#95
July 03, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1094416I agree that you need 'Bond Girls', but I think there has been a lot of variety over the years.  Since 'hot' is a subjective description and the girls have varied in any number of attributes, I don't think that all girls in all movies were intended to be equally attractive to all men.  Michelle Yeoh (Wai Lin/Tomorrow Never Dies) and Halle Berry (Jinx/Die Another Day) are 'ass-kickers' in their own right compared to more demure women like Shirley Eaton (Jill Masterson/Goldfinger), but OVERALL, the Bond franchise has had attractive women with more agency than other contemporary action-oriented movies.

I really don't think 'agency' is that important at all, as long as there is some variety. Women with plenty of agency have been around in movies since the 30s at least. I think the 'problem' of damsels has been exaggerated.  I like some of the kick-ass women, but I also like the more passive girl in From Russia With Love for instance.

GeekyBugle

#96
July 04, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
Quote from: Trond;1094542I really don't think 'agency' is that important at all, as long as there is some variety. Women with plenty of agency have been around in movies since the 30s at least. I think the 'problem' of damsels has been exaggerated.  I like some of the kick-ass women, but I also like the more passive girl in From Russia With Love for instance.

Notice how it's never a problem when it's a man being the damsel in distress? As in Agent Salt for instance? How about in Alien? Wonder Woman? Nope, you'll only hear crickets from the same people that say this is somehow "problematic". What they fail to understand (or hide to push their ideology) is the fact that if women weren't considered of value the damsel in distress trope wouldn't exist in the first place. And we must not forget that going to the rescue of a loved one can never be a bad thing be it a male or female doing the rescuing.

This is more post-modernist drivel and as such should be laughed at.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

deadDMwalking

#97
July 04, 2019, 05:22:13 PM
Honey Rider is portrayed as a relatively capable woman who helps save James Bond.  She is doing her own thing and while he is clearly the protagonist, she contributes more than simply being a woman in need of rescue.  While I like all the Indiana Jones movies, I think that Willie Scott's contributions are significantly less than Honey Rider's.  While she reverses the trap before Indy and Short Round die, her primary purpose is to scream.  What's surprising is that the character SHOULD have been a strong character - she took off as a performer half-way around the world in a time where that wasn't widely respected.
When I say objectively, I mean \'subjectively\'.  When I say literally, I mean \'figuratively\'.  
And when I say that you are a horse\'s ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse\'s ass.

There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all. - Peter Drucker

Spinachcat

#98
July 05, 2019, 05:48:05 AM
Willie Scott's primary purpose in Temple of Doom was to marry the director!

jeff37923

#99
July 05, 2019, 06:07:25 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1094640Willie Scott's primary purpose in Temple of Doom was to marry the director!

How dare you speak truth to narrative!  :D
"Meh."

Trond

#100
September 02, 2019, 10:38:42 PM
....and now they are getting rid of "ring girls" in Australian boxing.  

https://www.rt.com/sport/467812-ring-girls-replaced-fight-progress-managers/

The irony is through the roof here: the jobs will be taken by men, and the feminists behind this move also cry about protecting the "women and children", inadvertently showing what they think of these women.

GeekyBugle

#101
September 03, 2019, 05:39:18 AM
Quote from: Trond;1101979....and now they are getting rid of "ring girls" in Australian boxing.  

https://www.rt.com/sport/467812-ring-girls-replaced-fight-progress-managers/

The irony is through the roof here: the jobs will be taken by men, and the feminists behind this move also cry about protecting the "women and children", inadvertently showing what they think of these women.

Feminism, intersectionality, socjus, socialism, call it what you want, is an atheist religion. They are just as puritanical (and hypocritical) as the televangelists preaching fire and brimstone against homosexuality while being closeted homosexuals.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

#103
September 14, 2019, 02:27:57 AM
Quote from: Trond;1103931More of the same. Oh joy....

https://amp.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3026680/ufc-ring-girls-should-be-scrapped-melbourne?__twitter_impression=true

Feminism, fighting to make women wear burkas.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

S'mon

#104
September 14, 2019, 03:06:50 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1103962Feminism, fighting to make women wear burkas.

"If I can't be pretty, NO ONE can be pretty!"
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