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A weird thing to stand up for: yes to scantily clad women

Started by Trond, May 22, 2019, 03:34:26 PM

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Shasarak

#75
June 21, 2019, 03:29:13 AM
Quote from: Trond;1093034Oh boy. Maybe you guys already knew this, but they hired feminists to make the next James Bond movie more #Metoo friendly. You have got to be kidding me. Well, let's just hope they don't completely ruin the franchise, but I am very skeptical here.

So now James Bond is going to be a Black Trans Paraplegic Leprechaun with a licence to leave snarky twitter comments?  Finally a blow against the oppressive toxic masculinity of the Patriarchy.
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Trond

#76
June 21, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Shasarak;1093053So now James Bond is going to be a Black Trans Paraplegic Leprechaun with a licence to leave snarky twitter comments?  Finally a blow against the oppressive toxic masculinity of the Patriarchy.

Snarky twitter comments? Are you crazy? Oh, maybe you mean snarky against the perceived alt-right and such. Then he surely will have a license to dox.

jhkim

#77
June 21, 2019, 02:24:05 PM
Quote from: Trond;1093034Oh boy. Maybe you guys already knew this, but they hired feminists to make the next James Bond movie more #Metoo friendly. You have got to be kidding me. Well, let's just hope they don't completely ruin the franchise, but I am very skeptical here.

https://pluralist.com/james-bond-intimacy-coaches-metoo/
Something that might not be clear from the link. Intimacy coaches are normally unrelated to making the film content feminist -- they're about trying to make things better for the actors on set. I have a close friend who works in film, and from what I hear, the situation really sucked previously. Filming sex scenes was always rough and often abusive. (I have more inside stories from low-budget movies than big studio ones, but there are similarities.) As for whether the coaches are helping - I don't know, but I think it's worth an effort to try to improve.

As for James Bond, eh - the Hollywood rumor mill always seems ridiculous to me.

I did eventually see the last James Bond movie Spectre on an airplane, which was decidedly non-feminist. My understanding is that it did mediocre at the box office - less than Skyfall. So who knows what the producers are thinking.

Shasarak

#78
June 21, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: Trond;1093066Snarky twitter comments? Are you crazy? Oh, maybe you mean snarky against the perceived alt-right and such. Then he surely will have a license to dox.

Thats great!  The head of SPECTRE gets taken out by a flash antifa mob while James Bond sips their non-alcoholic beverage
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Spinachcat

#79
June 22, 2019, 12:16:33 AM
The Bond franchise had its last breathe with Skyfall.

Trond

#80
June 22, 2019, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: jhkim;1093087Something that might not be clear from the link. Intimacy coaches are normally unrelated to making the film content feminist -- they're about trying to make things better for the actors on set. I have a close friend who works in film, and from what I hear, the situation really sucked previously. Filming sex scenes was always rough and often abusive. (I have more inside stories from low-budget movies than big studio ones, but there are similarities.) As for whether the coaches are helping - I don't know, but I think it's worth an effort to try to improve.

As for James Bond, eh - the Hollywood rumor mill always seems ridiculous to me.

I did eventually see the last James Bond movie Spectre on an airplane, which was decidedly non-feminist. My understanding is that it did mediocre at the box office - less than Skyfall. So who knows what the producers are thinking.

They talked about this coaching in video interviews as well. Of course, it might be that they said this just to build hype, and when the movie comes out we can't tell the difference (we can always hope).

Thornhammer

#81
June 22, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1093039Yeah, I knew, consider the franchise ruined, so far no franchise handled by a feminist has escaped that fate : Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Ghostbusters, She-Ra, Thundercats, all of the CW . . .

Ghostbusters might recover - the new movie starts filming next month, it's a sequel to the original two films and has thoroughly pissed off the folks from the 2016 film.

Still don't know a whole lot about it, but it's Jason Reitman so I'm hopeful.

GeekyBugle

#82
June 22, 2019, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: Thornhammer;1093212Ghostbusters might recover - the new movie starts filming next month, it's a sequel to the original two films and has thoroughly pissed off the folks from the 2016 film.

Still don't know a whole lot about it, but it's Jason Reitman so I'm hopeful.

Yeah, forgot about that, they might just manage to reboot the franchise. I think they are going for a passing of the torch story.
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Godfather Punk

#83
June 23, 2019, 01:44:24 AM
Would the actresses of the 2016 GB make a cameo appearance :p ?

Chris24601

#84
June 23, 2019, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: Godfather Punk;1093260Would the actresses of the 2016 GB make a cameo appearance :p ?
The only way I'd be okay with that is if they showed up as the spiteful ghosts of SJWs past... and were promptly destroyed by crossing the streams.

Spinachcat

#85
June 23, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
No Harold Ramis, No Ghostbusters.

Ramis was a genius. Now we're getting Rehash via Nepotism.

However, the 2016 debacle was so crapass that Reitman's bar for "success" is low. All he has to do is make a cheaper movie with less PR costs, then gross the same amount. Poof! Movie breaks even.

Godfather Punk

#86
June 24, 2019, 03:04:31 AM
Yeah. Not to turn this into a Movies thread, but I liked the Heat, I thoroughly enjoyed Spy. But I hardly got 2 or 3 chuckles out of the 2016 GB; what a failed opportunity.

deadDMwalking

#87
July 02, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
I'm a fan of Bond, but it's hard to say 'this film ruined the franchise'.  It's a wonky franchise and there are a lot of films that people will point out as ridiculous or terrible for one reason or another.  Part of the appeal of the fanship is to compare the various Bonds and what made them bad or good relative to the others.  I personally felt that the Pierce Brosnan films hold together better than most - but every Bond actor has moments that are completely outlandish or out of character for the way the movies have been established.  

Despite that, it's pretty easy to enjoy a Bond film.  You're going to have over-the-top action stunts, you're going to have gadgets, you're going to have 'high society shindigs' and you're going to have villainous plots that need thwarting.  You don't need Bond slapping women on the butt and telling them 'man talk, honey' to be Bond.
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Ratman_tf

#88
July 02, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1094350I'm a fan of Bond, but it's hard to say 'this film ruined the franchise'.  It's a wonky franchise and there are a lot of films that people will point out as ridiculous or terrible for one reason or another.  Part of the appeal of the fanship is to compare the various Bonds and what made them bad or good relative to the others.  I personally felt that the Pierce Brosnan films hold together better than most - but every Bond actor has moments that are completely outlandish or out of character for the way the movies have been established.  

Despite that, it's pretty easy to enjoy a Bond film.  You're going to have over-the-top action stunts, you're going to have gadgets, you're going to have 'high society shindigs' and you're going to have villainous plots that need thwarting.  You don't need Bond slapping women on the butt and telling them 'man talk, honey' to be Bond.

What if I want to see Bond slapping women on the butt?
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deadDMwalking

#89
July 02, 2019, 02:30:20 PM
You should watch Goldfinger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGFESbLMKU
When I say objectively, I mean \'subjectively\'.  When I say literally, I mean \'figuratively\'.  
And when I say that you are a horse\'s ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse\'s ass.

There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all. - Peter Drucker
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