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« Reply #135 on: September 20, 2019, 04:08:35 PM »
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I think it's funny (and worth pointing out that it is hypocritical) to make fun of people because they're offended by something and then make a big deal about how you're offended by some other behavior and want it to stop.

Either getting offended is justified and you should try to lobby society to change to protect your delicate sensibilities or, if you think that you aren't entitled to be offended about someone else's choices that aren't about you at you, you should just be quiet.

I do think it is ridiculous to see people clutching their pearls and saying 'what about the children'!?  When people do that, you really do have to call them pussies.

I'm not offended by your stupidity and blatant dishonesty, just baffled.

Also, I find it ironic that you of all people are chiding others about hypocrisy. Don't throw stones in glass houses.

And no, I won't be quiet. This is a free speech forum and you aren't a mod or an admin. You can't tell me to do shit.

Oh, and what I'm advocating for isn't Helen Lovejoy-tier "Think of the Children!" bullshit either. There's a world of difference between skimpy bikinis on a book cover and what was going on in those Pride pictures.

I guess the Left's disdain towards binary absolutes only applies to human biology...

You wouldn't let your kid watch hardcore fetish porn, so why would you take them to a gay fetish event?

I'm curious to know why a straight hipster like you would even have a dog in the race other than to just be a contrarian and hypocritical hipster. Why would crass behavior at LGBT events concern you?

You aren't LGBT, I am. And shit like what was going on in those pictures concerns me greatly because all it does is give ammunition for the fundamentalist wackos on the Religious Right to use against LGBT rights and civil liberties. We already fought hard to get marriage equality on the federal level, among other issues.

We don't need a bunch of spoiled Millennial SJW's and unfettered degenerates ruining it for everyone and undoing fifty years worth of progress.
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« Reply #136 on: September 20, 2019, 05:03:34 PM »
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I'm a fan of hot women and hot men in scantily clad outfits, but I wouldn't want either of the two genders to just strut around in the nude or decked out in obvious fetish gear in public in front of minors.

Have you ever been to a convention?  Like, are you just saying it's context?  Booth babes are fine in public, in front of minors but as soon as it is at an event that is related to sex and sexuality the exact same outfit becomes inappropriate?  

I'm just trying to ascertain your position.  I know that referring to male burkas was a deliberate mischaracterization, but there is a lot of 'not wearing pants' that is 'not fetish wear'.  Ever hear of shorts?
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« Reply #137 on: September 20, 2019, 05:10:44 PM »
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Have you ever been to a convention?  Like, are you just saying it's context?  Booth babes are fine in public, in front of minors but as soon as it is at an event that is related to sex and sexuality the exact same outfit becomes inappropriate?  

I'm just trying to ascertain your position.  I know that referring to male burkas was a deliberate mischaracterization, but there is a lot of 'not wearing pants' that is 'not fetish wear'.  Ever hear of shorts?

Are boot babes engaging in fetishist conduct? No? so one more time you're being a disingenuous twat.
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« Reply #138 on: September 20, 2019, 05:12:36 PM »
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I'm not offended by your stupidity and blatant dishonesty, just baffled.

Also, I find it ironic that you of all people are chiding others about hypocrisy. Don't throw stones in glass houses.

And no, I won't be quiet. This is a free speech forum and you aren't a mod or an admin. You can't tell me to do shit.

Oh, and what I'm advocating for isn't Helen Lovejoy-tier "Think of the Children!" bullshit either. There's a world of difference between skimpy bikinis on a book cover and what was going on in those Pride pictures.

I guess the Left's disdain towards binary absolutes only applies to human biology...

You wouldn't let your kid watch hardcore fetish porn, so why would you take them to a gay fetish event?

I'm curious to know why a straight hipster like you would even have a dog in the race other than to just be a contrarian and hypocritical hipster. Why would crass behavior at LGBT events concern you?

You aren't LGBT, I am. And shit like what was going on in those pictures concerns me greatly because all it does is give ammunition for the fundamentalist wackos on the Religious Right to use against LGBT rights and civil liberties. We already fought hard to get marriage equality on the federal level, among other issues.

We don't need a bunch of spoiled Millennial SJW's and unfettered degenerates ruining it for everyone and undoing fifty years worth of progress.

I find it hilarious, the white straight male savior telling the bisexual he's wrong to call out the behavior of some of the LGBTQWERTY "community". Think he can with the white man's burden?
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« Reply #139 on: September 20, 2019, 06:50:50 PM »
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You wouldn't let your kid watch hardcore fetish porn, so why would you take them to a gay fetish event?

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Are boot babes engaging in fetishist conduct? No? so one more time you're being a disingenuous twat.

You both are singling out fetishism as if that's the dividing line. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't let my underage kid watch porn in general - regardless of whether it was gay fetish porn or non-fetish heterosexual porn.

For me, the issue is how much something is sexualized, not whether it's fetishist.

To the broader topic, there are various public events which have sexualized conducts -- like many Mardi Gras celebrations which have naked and semi-naked revelers as well as Gay Pride parades. Most often, I feel that problems with these events and kids are the fault of irresponsible parents rather than the revelers. It could go either way, though.

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« Reply #140 on: September 20, 2019, 07:05:38 PM »
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Are boot[h] babes engaging in fetishist conduct? No? so one more time you're being a disingenuous twat.

They kind of are. It's less explicit, but booth babes are still highly sexualized.

The difference is basically the rough edges. Behavior and dress for booth babes, or more generally attractive women in skimpy costumes used to sell products, has developed a set of boundaries. They might wear a bikini, but they're not topless. They stand there and act friendly, and may pose in sexualized positions, but there's some distance or level of abstraction; they don't jump down and wag their asses in people's faces. The line is pretty arbitrary, and can be really hard to precisely define, and it varies in different situations and communities (naturism is a classic example), but the line is there, and and most of the time it's pretty clear when something crosses that line.

The problem is the LGBT parades draw as much from behavior and dress in places like strip clubs or BDSM dungeons, which are generally considered on the other side of the line.

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« Reply #141 on: September 20, 2019, 07:10:46 PM »
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You both are singling out fetishism as if that's the dividing line. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't let my underage kid watch porn in general - regardless of whether it was gay fetish porn or non-fetish heterosexual porn.

For me, the issue is how much something is sexualized, not whether it's fetishist.

To the broader topic, there are various public events which have sexualized conducts -- like many Mardi Gras celebrations which have naked and semi-naked revelers as well as Gay Pride parades. Most often, I feel that problems with these events and kids are the fault of irresponsible parents rather than the revelers. It could go either way, though.

News flash, I didn't let my underage kid watch porn either, guess what? He and his equally underage school mates did anyway, just like any kid before them.

But there's a big difference here, on the porn issue I have some kind of control, on a street even in broad day light what am I supposed to do? Stay indoors until the degenerates go to theirs?

Second difference is that I don't think Mardi Gras is something done in broad day light and you have to go there. While the other degenerates go to your town. At least here, our own version of Mardi Gras takes place in Veracruz, and the day time vs night time conduct is ... Well like night and day.

But I do agree with you regarding the idiots taking their kids to witness the degeneracy and debauchery to signal their wokeness.
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« Reply #142 on: September 20, 2019, 07:14:33 PM »
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They kind of are. It's less explicit, but booth babes are still highly sexualized.

The difference is basically the rough edges. Behavior and dress for booth babes, or more generally attractive women in skimpy costumes used to sell products, has developed a set of boundaries. They might wear a bikini, but they're not topless. They stand there and act friendly, and may pose in sexualized positions, but there's some distance or level of abstraction; they don't jump down and wag their asses in people's faces. The line is pretty arbitrary, and can be really hard to precisely define, and it varies in different situations and communities (naturism is a classic example), but the line is there, and and most of the time it's pretty clear when something crosses that line.

The problem is the LGBT parades draw as much from behavior and dress in places like strip clubs or BDSM dungeons, which are generally considered on the other side of the line.

Except they aren't, unless to you dancing in a bikini or posing in it is a fetish, in which case we should make all the beaches and pools either pg13 by forcing the burkini or stop taking children there.

Certain amount of exposure to nudity/semi-nudity is even good for children, prevents them from becoming puritanical idiots, but from there to butplugs and other debauchery that should remain in the bedroom of the degenerates that enjoy it well the distance is very big.
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« Reply #143 on: September 20, 2019, 07:31:14 PM »
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Second difference is that I don't think Mardi Gras is something done in broad day light and you have to go there. While the other degenerates go to your town.
I don't get the go there vs go to your town. To pick two well-known examples: both New Orleans Mardi Gras and San Francisco's Gay Pride are predominantly tourist events -- the out-of-towners overall outnumber the locals, even though there are a lot of locals who participate. It depends on where you live, but in both cases there are some participating locals and some opposed locals.

The daytime vs nighttime could be a real difference -- but I don't think it changes all that much. If a Gay Pride parade were to happen at night, would you be OK with it?

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« Reply #144 on: September 20, 2019, 07:50:15 PM »
I'm curious to see where some people are drawing the line.  It seems to me that it isn't about the amount of exposed flesh - because men wearing Speedos on the beach is apparently okay - but it is about some form of perceived 'flaunting of sexuality'.  

If it's not a problem at a beach, than I don't think it's a problem at a parade.  If there's a line to be drawn it seems it literally depends on how 'in your face' the bulge is.  

Put another way, I think that since gay pride is associated with sex (specifically gay sex) and beaches are associated with play, people are 'less okay' with the same outfit in each.  

I think that indicates a certain amount of discomfort with gay sexuality, and people are using 'near-nudity' as a hedge to avoid specifically confronting that they are uncomfortable with displays of gay pride.  

I'm not opposed to scantily clad women, and I'm not opposed to scantily clad men.  Even at a gay pride parade.  I think that public indecency laws are pretty well accepted (and in the case of Mardi Gras, apparently female nipples are not considered indecent as an exception to the general rule) and are pretty easy to enforce.

If your position is 'I'm okay with a certain level of near-nudity, but when that exact same level is associated with a gay-pride event, I'm not', I think it's a fair question to ask if it's maybe the gay pride event that you're not okay with.
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« Reply #145 on: September 20, 2019, 08:04:55 PM »
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I'm curious to see where some people are drawing the line.  It seems to me that it isn't about the amount of exposed flesh - because men wearing Speedos on the beach is apparently okay - but it is about some form of perceived 'flaunting of sexuality'.  
Of course it is, and you know it. That's all it's ever been, and pretending otherwise is absurd.

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« Reply #146 on: September 20, 2019, 08:09:54 PM »
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I don't get the go there vs go to your town. To pick two well-known examples: both New Orleans Mardi Gras and San Francisco's Gay Pride are predominantly tourist events -- the out-of-towners overall outnumber the locals, even though there are a lot of locals who participate. It depends on where you live, but in both cases there are some participating locals and some opposed locals.

The daytime vs nighttime could be a real difference -- but I don't think it changes all that much. If a Gay Pride parade were to happen at night, would you be OK with it?

I'm okey with pride parades at any time of day, it's about some stuff some of them do that I'm not okey with.

But to answer what I think you're asking, if they saved the debauchery for past 9pm I would have no problem with it.
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« Reply #147 on: September 20, 2019, 08:12:55 PM »
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I'm curious to see where some people are drawing the line.  It seems to me that it isn't about the amount of exposed flesh - because men wearing Speedos on the beach is apparently okay - but it is about some form of perceived 'flaunting of sexuality'.  

If it's not a problem at a beach, than I don't think it's a problem at a parade.  If there's a line to be drawn it seems it literally depends on how 'in your face' the bulge is.  

Put another way, I think that since gay pride is associated with sex (specifically gay sex) and beaches are associated with play, people are 'less okay' with the same outfit in each.  

I think that indicates a certain amount of discomfort with gay sexuality, and people are using 'near-nudity' as a hedge to avoid specifically confronting that they are uncomfortable with displays of gay pride.  

I'm not opposed to scantily clad women, and I'm not opposed to scantily clad men.  Even at a gay pride parade.  I think that public indecency laws are pretty well accepted (and in the case of Mardi Gras, apparently female nipples are not considered indecent as an exception to the general rule) and are pretty easy to enforce.

If your position is 'I'm okay with a certain level of near-nudity, but when that exact same level is associated with a gay-pride event, I'm not', I think it's a fair question to ask if it's maybe the gay pride event that you're not okay with.

You disingenuous twat, it's the but plugs, the bdsm clothing and the evident sexual debauchery not about showing skin, and you know it but you want to call Doc Sammy (who is bisexual) an homophobe because you're the white straight savior and you can speak for us poor non-whites or non-straight people.
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« Reply #148 on: September 20, 2019, 08:16:03 PM »
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Except they aren't, unless to you dancing in a bikini or posing in it is a fetish...
Sure they are. Chainmail bikinis, for instance, are sexualized armor. Posing with your butt stuck up on a car is a form of sexuality. But so is a low cut dress. Or wearing sleeveless shirts to show off your biceps. Or lipstick, or cologne. You're stuck on the word "fetish", but that isn't where the boundary is normally drawn. A fetish is just a form of fairly explicit or strong sexuality, that's either uncommon or kept behind closed doors. Yes, it's usually for things that over the commonly accepted line, but there are all kinds of more mainstream forms of sexuality, that are generally considered unacceptable in most situations, but aren't really fetishes, like topless women, or men in speedos when not at the beach. It is very explicitly about sexuality, but it's lot more complex than just fetish yes/no?

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« Reply #149 on: September 20, 2019, 08:31:59 PM »
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Sure they are. Chainmail bikinis, for instance, are sexualized armor. Posing with your butt stuck up on a car is a form of sexuality. But so is a low cut dress. Or wearing sleeveless shirts to show off your biceps. Or lipstick, or cologne. You're stuck on the word "fetish", but that isn't where the boundary is normally drawn. A fetish is just a form of fairly explicit or strong sexuality, that's either uncommon or kept behind closed doors. Yes, it's usually for things that over the commonly accepted line, but there are all kinds of more mainstream forms of sexuality, that are generally considered unacceptable in most situations, but aren't really fetishes, like topless women, or men in speedos when not at the beach. It is very explicitly about sexuality, but it's lot more complex than just fetish yes/no?

Again, is it sexual? yes, is it something that should be verboten for kids to see? No, why you say? because Boot[h] babes aren't humping a pole or one another dressed as gimps with a but plug in their asses. One is low sexuality if you wish and the other should stay in the bedroom (or dungeon) of those who enjoy it.

Or to you erotica and porn are just the same?

We're a sexual species, many things are sexual, and if you don't want sexually neurotic SJWs or puritans of the mainstream religions then some exposure to low forms of sexualized conduct is okey, it normalizes it and prevents lots of problems. Shoving your dick (covered with a speedo or not) in someones ass or face isn't that chief.
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