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Author Topic: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!  (Read 7522 times)

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Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
« Reply #240 on: March 24, 2021, 11:20:41 AM »
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

My AR-15 looks scary, while my 30-06 is just a hunting rifle! I know which one is actually more deadly, but gun control retards can only parrot MSM bullshit.
Once again, I shall invoke the bloviating of serial drunk Ted 'Swimmer' Kennedy.
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In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.
Now, those of you who haven't spent your time eating the books will notice a problem here.

Police officers typically do not wear body armor that will stop a standard centerfire rifle round. That armor (type II, IIA, or IIIA) is only rated against most pistol rounds -- 9mm, .357 Magnum, and .44 Magnum, respectively. To stop a centerfire rifle round of the 5.56mm or 7.62mm, you need to move up to the rigid-plate type III and IV armors, typically worn by some military and embedded journalists with said military.

Ted went on to drunkenly opine:
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Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
Yes, my friends, your ancient 1894 Winchester lever action is capable of piercing armored cars.

Forget licensing for firearms. We ought to force legislators and congresscritters to obtain licenses that prove they're not fucking morons.

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« Reply #241 on: March 31, 2021, 02:24:28 AM »
Just be glad that you don't live in Canada. As I am sure you know, good ol' Justin Castreau banned thousands of firearms with the stroke of a pen, on his own, without Parliamentary debate by using the state of emergency he granted himself for two years due to covid.

For the time being we can still own pistols, automatics require a mag capacity limiter to 5 rounds last I checked.

They use the same damn arguments of scare black furniture on a weapon equals super duper cop killing powers over the exact same weapon with default wooden stock. They counted on the public and politicians knowing jack shit about the subject. And it worked.

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« Reply #242 on: March 31, 2021, 02:28:49 AM »
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

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« Reply #243 on: March 31, 2021, 02:35:59 AM »
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle.
Reliability.

Just be glad that you don't live in Canada. As I am sure you know, good ol' Justin Castreau banned thousands of firearms with the stroke of a pen, on his own, without Parliamentary debate by using the state of emergency he granted himself for two years due to covid.
I know the virus is meant to be able to survive on surfaces, but surely if you've been struck by a bullet then a virus is the least of your worries?
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« Reply #244 on: March 31, 2021, 09:23:08 AM »
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

I am a fairly recent owner of a walther PPQ. Feels great in the hand. They have a new version of it that's optic ready out of the box.

If I was limited to 5 rounds I'd get something more powerful though.

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« Reply #245 on: March 31, 2021, 09:27:30 AM »
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

My AR-15 looks scary, while my 30-06 is just a hunting rifle! I know which one is actually more deadly, but gun control retards can only parrot MSM bullshit.
Once again, I shall invoke the bloviating of serial drunk Ted 'Swimmer' Kennedy.
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In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.
Now, those of you who haven't spent your time eating the books will notice a problem here.

Police officers typically do not wear body armor that will stop a standard centerfire rifle round. That armor (type II, IIA, or IIIA) is only rated against most pistol rounds -- 9mm, .357 Magnum, and .44 Magnum, respectively. To stop a centerfire rifle round of the 5.56mm or 7.62mm, you need to move up to the rigid-plate type III and IV armors, typically worn by some military and embedded journalists with said military.

Ted went on to drunkenly opine:
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Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
Yes, my friends, your ancient 1894 Winchester lever action is capable of piercing armored cars.

Forget licensing for firearms. We ought to force legislators and congresscritters to obtain licenses that prove they're not fucking morons.

If a 30-30 could reliably pierce thick steel, Frank Hamer never would have asked for a BAR when going after Bonnie and Clyde. If it wasn't so threatening to liberty it would be funny.

We have legislators and bureaucrats who have no idea what they're doing. It is really apparent with guns, because this stuff is high visibility, but what about when they give diktats on something less high profile, like washing machines or tractor engines? We just have to deal with their stupid, ignorant orders.

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Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
« Reply #246 on: March 31, 2021, 11:06:13 AM »
If a 30-30 could reliably pierce thick steel, Frank Hamer never would have asked for a BAR when going after Bonnie and Clyde. If it wasn't so threatening to liberty it would be funny.

We have legislators and bureaucrats who have no idea what they're doing. It is really apparent with guns, because this stuff is high visibility, but what about when they give diktats on something less high profile, like washing machines or tractor engines? We just have to deal with their stupid, ignorant orders.
Rate of fire is a thing. But the theory I've heard is that Ted's blathering was to make the point that citizens could easily, if so inclined, start potting government officials.

You can't hide away in a bunker and still reign over the serfs. Hide in an armored car? Sure... but you have to get out eventually.

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« Reply #247 on: April 01, 2021, 02:44:28 AM »
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

I am a fairly recent owner of a walther PPQ. Feels great in the hand. They have a new version of it that's optic ready out of the box.

If I was limited to 5 rounds I'd get something more powerful though.

I'll check out the Walther ppq, thanks.

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« Reply #248 on: April 01, 2021, 03:12:56 AM »
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

Greetings!

Well, brother, when it comes to side-arms, I honestly begin and end with recommending the Glock 21 Gen4 45 semi-automatic pistol.



The Gen4 Glock 21 has a 13-round magazine. +1 in the chamber, that's 14 rounds of 45 ammunition immediately available for action, in whatever situation. I feel that my Glock 21 is easy to grip and control, is absolutely reliable, and is impressively accurate, right from the box. I have a friend in law enforcement who also works at my local gun shop--he has been a policeman for many years. He carries his Glock still, right on his hip, to this day. He explained to me that the Glock 21 Gen4 is a beautiful and entirely outstanding weapon. He has used his Glock on duty in action, and he maintains that he has trusted his life with this weapon. He also encouraged me that the Glock 21 Gen4 doesn't need any modifications, for anything. He said there's nothing you are gonna do to the pistol that will truly increase its performance or accuracy from how it comes in the box. He says leave it the fuck alone, don't fiddle with it. The weapon is good to go just the way it is--rugged, accurate, trustworthy, and brutally effective.

So, I fully recommend the glock 21 Gen4 45 pistol. I believe you can trust your life with this weapon.

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« Reply #249 on: April 01, 2021, 03:38:37 AM »
Shark, it seems to me you'd be a good one to invite to alpha-testing for Conflict. Probably not enough gun porn for you, but the basic ebb-and-flow and tidal wave of combat you could give us great feedback on. We did a streamed initial session today.
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« Reply #250 on: April 03, 2021, 03:48:14 AM »
Shark, it seems to me you'd be a good one to invite to alpha-testing for Conflict. Probably not enough gun porn for you, but the basic ebb-and-flow and tidal wave of combat you could give us great feedback on. We did a streamed initial session today.

Greetings!

Thank you, Kyle! That sounds awesome!

It looks good, too. Very Interesting!

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« Reply #251 on: April 06, 2021, 04:40:17 PM »
Mauser ammo has been very expensive lately so I haven't been able to try out my Kar98k. It's vexing.
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« Reply #252 on: April 08, 2021, 10:36:48 AM »
So the Sleepy Joe handlers have unveiled their six drafted EOs for the puppet to sign. They're all bad.

Reference: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

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(1)  The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.
We are? That's new. Usually criminals opt for guns 'under the table', not building them with complex 3D printing and CNC systems. What are the statistics on this? Or is it just 'trust us, these are EVUL GUNZ'?

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(2) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.
I see they got some mileage out of the Syrian who decided to go bag some Jews even though he was on the FBI's radar, even if he wasn't a Trump supporter. Garbage, but what else is new? I love how the shooter 'appears' to have used a pistol with an arm brace. Dude! Don't you KNOW already? The event's over! You should be able to tell one way or another!

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(3) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.
Blatant attempt to violate due process and shit on people. I look forward to 'red flagging' being used the same way shitheels use swatting as a tactic. With any luck this will get challenged and struck down, but I'm not betting any money just yet.

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(4) The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

The American Jobs Plan proposes a $5 billion investment over eight years to support community violence intervention programs. A key part of community violence intervention strategies is to help connect individuals to job training and job opportunities.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is organizing a webinar and toolkit to educate states on how they can use Medicaid to reimburse certain community violence intervention programs, like Hospital-Based Violence Interventions.
Five federal agencies are making changes to 26 different programs to direct vital support to community violence intervention programs as quickly as possible. These changes mean we can start increasing investments in community violence interventions as we wait on Congress to appropriate additional funds. Read more about these agency actions here.
Graft and more graft. Gotta pay off some political supporters.

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(5) The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.
Wonder if the report will cover Fast and Furious? More boilerplate to prop up their damaged ideas that 'guns are soooo easy to get'.

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(6) The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.  (White House Link)
This is the one that rattles me. Chipman was the case agent for Waco.

Yeah, I totally want to put the ATF in the hands of the vicious fuckwit who helped whitewash that clusterfuck. What a GREAT idea.

But hey, 'nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS', right?

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« Reply #253 on: April 08, 2021, 01:35:50 PM »
So the Sleepy Joe handlers have unveiled their six drafted EOs for the puppet to sign. They're all bad.

Reference: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

Thanks for the link. I didn't want to sit through 30 minutes of Joe mumbling into a mike.

Yeah, could be worse. A lot of this will be challenged or outright rejected as unconstitutional, or is a "comittee" doing an "investigation". I still think Joe is pulling his punches, since any serious "gun control" efforts would piss off the 40 million people who became new gun owners over the past year.
Still, it's "inital actions", and could get ugly fast.
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« Reply #254 on: April 08, 2021, 01:48:31 PM »
I always wonder why any Second Amendment talk only focuses on firearms, when it clearly says arms. Oh, and not infringed, too.