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Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 11, 2020, 10:26:39 PM
Greetings!

In another thread, Tenbones responded to a picture of my AR-15 Rifle, and he mentioned that we should start a discussion thread about guns and stuff. So, here we are. The 2nd Amendment, pics of guns, performances, experiences, ammo, gear, all the fun things. And of course any hunting or shooting stories and experiences you have.

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This is my BCM AR-15 Rifle, 5.56mm Nato. I have a Talon Eagle Scope mounted on it, a Red-Dot Sight on the right side, and a very nice bipod mount. I have various 30-round magazines for it, though for this picture I put my 60-round Drum Magazine on it. The BCM AR-15 Rifle is very rugged, and an outstanding battle rifle in every respect. The BCM AR-15 is virtually unanimously acclaimed as certainly one of the finest versions of the AR-15 Rifle produced on the market. I used to have the lighter, folding stock for the rifle, but because I'm a Marine veteran that trained with the M-16 A2, as well as the SAW, I'm more comfortable with a heavier stock that sits at my shoulder. Thus, I had a Sniper stock mounted on my rifle, which for me, provides greater comfort and stability. Some experts believe that the Sniper stock provides a significant increase in overall accuracy downrange.

I also have a custom, target trigger on the rifle, which makes the trigger-pull smooth as butter, like 2 or 3-pounds. It's a dream to shoot, with a gentle recoil. The weapon has performed with outstanding accuracy with rounds downrange forming consistent, tight groups. The weapon is also surprisingly light and agile. It's "whoa!" levels of light and agile. My experience with my BCM AR-15 has been entirely outstanding, and I highly recommend this weapon for anyone.

As far as price-tag, I invested about $4,000 dollars US into this weapon. $1400 for the basic rifle, another $2,000 for the scope, red-dot sight, bipod, sniper scope, sling, several 30-round magazines, the 60-round Drum magazine, and an awesome complete cleaning kit with extra supplies. Then about $600 dollars US for some extra 30-round magazines, and about 1500 rounds of 5.56mm Nato ammunition. A gunsmith at one of my local gun stores--which also has an inside pistol and rifle gunrange--is an Army veteran of Afghanistan, and he graciously spent two hours or so of his own time to build this animal for me. Interestingly, it is the same rifle and set up that he personally uses as well. He showed me photos of his own BCM AR-15 Rifle, tricked out with all the same goodies. He explained to me that the BCM AR-15 Rifle is outstandingly rugged and accurate, and a weapon you can trust your life with. He told me that he used the same AR-15 rifle in Afghanistan, and also trusted his own life and others with the weapon. So, I also highly recommend this excellent rifle for anyone.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 12, 2020, 09:13:10 AM
I have a couple of guns, but do not shoot very often (enough to maintain some competence) or hunt anymore.  I did A LOT of both as a kid with my father (who was a BLET firearms instructor and avid hunter).  But I did not care so much for shooting as an adult, since I had to go when I was a kid, whether I wanted to or not.  I have always been a 2nd amendment advocate, despite not owning a firearm till I was almost 40.  

   I remember we had a discussion about this in a class in college as a freshmen (I was older, at 25, being a navy veteran, where I was a nuc(nuclear power plant mechanic)) and being sort of shocked at how easily I was able to sway the class and the professor (well she was working on a PhD and about my age at the time) on their stance on firearm ownership.  Then (and now) I am a fit 200 pound man who knows how to fight, and trained all the time how to fight and works out.   But I told them, what chance would any of them have if one of the defensive linemen on the football team (D1 school, so huge guys) wanted to beat them to death.  Zero. I told them I didnt like my  chances either, so should I just be allowed to be beaten to death by a huge strong person?  Should they?  I also told them if I could snap my fingers and there were no firearms in the nation, I would.   But that would mean no guns for anyone, no stateside military, no police, no one.   But that is a goofy fantasy, and we are a nation that was founded on the empowerment of the individual and self determination and ability to defend oneself from ALL threats.  

  I think an extremely common, and really stupid myth I see from the left is it takes some enormous amount of training to be effective defending yourself with a firearm.  That is bullshit.   If you are going to defend yourself with your hands and feet, against all comers, there is a whole lot of training and effort in that, and no guarantees regardless of your odds stacking.  A firearm is an equalizer, and to defend oneself, it could often be without a shot fired.   Practice, especially around safety is important and of course everyone should, but it takes little training to stop a person breaking into your front door in the middle of the night.  Extended firefights with drug cartels, not the same as 99.9999 percent of self defense scenarios,, yet the press acts as if you have to be John Matrix to have a chance of effectively using a gun under duress.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 12, 2020, 10:28:59 AM
I have:

AR-15 ((brand new, never been shot, gonna rectify that this weekend)
Mossberg 590
1911
9mm
Glock 22
.380
Ruger 10/22
30-06

Really want an autoloader shotgun like those Benellis, and maybe a Beretta 9. Next gun will probably be a cowboy action .357, though.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 12, 2020, 10:33:11 AM
My brother just got a 10/22, and I have always liked them.  That is a very handy little gun.  I think my son is about ready to move up from the rifle he has now, so I can justify nabbing one this summer.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 12, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
I am lazy, I need more time at the range. I own a Ruger P89 and a Precision MK III, as well as a .22 LR rifle and a classic Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun.

I will note that everything you've ever heard about the Precision Mk III being a pain in the ass to disassemble and reassemble is the honest truth. It took both my father and I, and my cellphone showing videos of the pistol, two hours to figure out how to properly reassemble it after stripping it to clean. Jesus.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 12, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1133836
My brother just got a 10/22, and I have always liked them.  That is a very handy little gun.  I think my son is about ready to move up from the rifle he has now, so I can justify nabbing one this summer.

Considering you can buy a box of .22 for like $10 (if you can find it...), it's probably the most inexpensive and useful firearm you can own. Great for plinking and goofing around, low recoil and report so you don't go deaf without ear protection, excellent way to teach youngsters proper safety and maintenance, can kill anything under 50 pounds with a single shot, deer if you're REALLY good, and with a banana clip makes a decent defense weapon as you can you spray and pray. IDGAF what anyone thinks, you pepper some perp with 20 rounds of .22, he is either going to die, run away, or kill you, and in the last case you were probably done for anyway as you're probably dealing with someone who just overdosed on PCP.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 12, 2020, 12:13:34 PM
I confess my sins. Last saturday, instead of Gaming, I and my gaming buddies went to the range.  There we did shoot our pistols (I have an HK USP .45, a .44 Magnum Mare's Leg, and a Ruger LCR, my buddy brought a Glock .40 and a 1911 of some sort...), Shotguns (12 gauges both, his a classic 870 modified to take magazines, mine a brand spanky new Winchester autoloader), and Rifles (Buddy: Classic AR-15 in 5.56... he had a Bucket of Freedom), while I fired my first ever rounds through my Savage Arms .308 bolt action, and a few more rounds through my heirloom Mannlicher .270 Winchester Bolt action.

Much fun was had, but no dice rolling.  


I used to have more guns, but then I got divorced.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 12, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
Yeah, my son was eyeballing it, I think he has outgrown his Savage Rascal.  But that was a fantastic gun to learn on, I think the 10/22 with length, weight and balance is a good next move.  After having a single shot bolt action, he seems to appreciate semi auto a whole lot too.

   But for perps, I have better options for that, though I agree even a .22 is no fun to have hit you.    I should probably go ahead and grab a .12 gauge, been putting that off for years.  I think of it as being the best in the house show stopper you could ask for.  I can not imagine shooting one in a house with no hearing protection though.  Even a miss is going to produce a route IMO.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Mordred Pendragon on June 12, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
With all that has been going on, I've begun saving up for a gun.

I'm torn between a rifle or a pistol, and I'm trying to think of a reliable but also relatively cheap firearm (preferably under the $500 mark if possible) and in an affordable and easy to find caliber like .22 LR, .38 Special, 9mm, .223 Remington, stuff like that.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 12, 2020, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1133818
I have a couple of guns, but do not shoot very often (enough to maintain some competence) or hunt anymore.  I did A LOT of both as a kid with my father (who was a BLET firearms instructor and avid hunter).  But I did not care so much for shooting as an adult, since I had to go when I was a kid, whether I wanted to or not.  I have always been a 2nd amendment advocate, despite not owning a firearm till I was almost 40.  

   I remember we had a discussion about this in a class in college as a freshmen (I was older, at 25, being a navy veteran, where I was a nuc(nuclear power plant mechanic)) and being sort of shocked at how easily I was able to sway the class and the professor (well she was working on a PhD and about my age at the time) on their stance on firearm ownership.  Then (and now) I am a fit 200 pound man who knows how to fight, and trained all the time how to fight and works out.   But I told them, what chance would any of them have if one of the defensive linemen on the football team (D1 school, so huge guys) wanted to beat them to death.  Zero. I told them I didnt like my  chances either, so should I just be allowed to be beaten to death by a huge strong person?  Should they?  I also told them if I could snap my fingers and there were no firearms in the nation, I would.   But that would mean no guns for anyone, no stateside military, no police, no one.   But that is a goofy fantasy, and we are a nation that was founded on the empowerment of the individual and self determination and ability to defend oneself from ALL threats.  

  I think an extremely common, and really stupid myth I see from the left is it takes some enormous amount of training to be effective defending yourself with a firearm.  That is bullshit.   If you are going to defend yourself with your hands and feet, against all comers, there is a whole lot of training and effort in that, and no guarantees regardless of your odds stacking.  A firearm is an equalizer, and to defend oneself, it could often be without a shot fired.   Practice, especially around safety is important and of course everyone should, but it takes little training to stop a person breaking into your front door in the middle of the night.  Extended firefights with drug cartels, not the same as 99.9999 percent of self defense scenarios,, yet the press acts as if you have to be John Matrix to have a chance of effectively using a gun under duress.

Greetings!

Navy veteran, Ogg? Nice, my friend!

You're right. The leftists try and exaggerate the required training. To hear them, everyone needs to be a SWAT officer to keep from accidentally shooting someone or themselves. Training is about a weekend of study and tests. Then, honestly, it is about constant reinforcement and consciousness amongst yourself and your group, every day, or whenever dealing with firearms. Reminding each other, weapons are always loaded until you personally verify; weapons always pointed in a safe direction, and on and on. My buddies remind each other of safety consciousness all the time while at the range, hunting, or just hanging out doing reloading.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on June 12, 2020, 06:00:04 PM
Taking my wife out to the range this weekend.  She's getting ready to sign up for her Concealed Carry course and wants to shoot a bit first.  Haven't shot my AR-15 in awhile, so I'm stoked.  Need to get to the range more often.  Looking into a small 9mm or a .380 for her to carry.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on June 12, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard;1133910
Taking my wife out to the range this weekend.  She's getting ready to sign up for her Concealed Carry course and wants to shoot a bit first.  Haven't shot my AR-15 in awhile, so I'm stoked.  Need to get to the range more often.  Looking into a small 9mm or a .380 for her to carry.

From what I hear, .380 loads these days have much better ballistics than they used to without a major increase in recoil, to the point that they are definitely a valid option to 9mm.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 12, 2020, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: Brad;1133834
I have:

AR-15 ((brand new, never been shot, gonna rectify that this weekend)
Mossberg 590
1911
9mm
Glock 22
.380
Ruger 10/22
30-06

Really want an autoloader shotgun like those Benellis, and maybe a Beretta 9. Next gun will probably be a cowboy action .357, though.


Greetings!

Brad, that's quite a gun collection! Salute! I love it! Have fun this weekend with that AR-15!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 12, 2020, 07:06:10 PM
Quote from: Spike;1133857
I confess my sins. Last saturday, instead of Gaming, I and my gaming buddies went to the range.  There we did shoot our pistols (I have an HK USP .45, a .44 Magnum Mare's Leg, and a Ruger LCR, my buddy brought a Glock .40 and a 1911 of some sort...), Shotguns (12 gauges both, his a classic 870 modified to take magazines, mine a brand spanky new Winchester autoloader), and Rifles (Buddy: Classic AR-15 in 5.56... he had a Bucket of Freedom), while I fired my first ever rounds through my Savage Arms .308 bolt action, and a few more rounds through my heirloom Mannlicher .270 Winchester Bolt action.

Much fun was had, but no dice rolling.  


I used to have more guns, but then I got divorced.


Greetings!

Sounds fucking awesome, Spike! Lock and Load, my friend!

You used to have more guns, but you got divorced? *laughing* Ahh, man. You know that's so true. I have many friends that have experienced the same. Rebuild, sir! REBUILD!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on June 12, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1133913
From what I hear, .380 loads these days have much better ballistics than they used to without a major increase in recoil, to the point that they are definitely a valid option to 9mm.
Thanks for the heads up.  I already have a few 9mm, so I'm leaning toward the .380.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 12, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard;1133910
Taking my wife out to the range this weekend.  She's getting ready to sign up for her Concealed Carry course and wants to shoot a bit first.  Haven't shot my AR-15 in awhile, so I'm stoked.  Need to get to the range more often.  Looking into a small 9mm or a .380 for her to carry.

Greetings!

Hey Spaniard! That sounds just fucking cool! I hope you have a fantastic time! Get some good food, too! It's a special kind of joy when your woman gets into guns and shooting, for sure.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on June 12, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1133917
Greetings!

Hey Spaniard! That sounds just fucking cool! I hope you have a fantastic time! Get some good food, too! It's a special kind of joy when your woman gets into guns and shooting, for sure.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Thanks brother!  She grew up shooting shotguns on her grandpa's farm, so she's not shy around firearms.  We're looking forward to making a day of it.  We'll definitely get some good food, as full service restaurants are opening up around here now.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 12, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
Quote from: The Spaniard;1133916
Thanks for the heads up.  I already have a few 9mm, so I'm leaning toward the .380.

You can get a small frame .40 service trade in for hardly anything now that LEO is moving to 9mm, plus lots of ammo available. My .380 is just a holdout pistol so I have enough time to get to my shotgun or .45. There are TONS of sales if you look.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 13, 2020, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1133903
With all that has been going on, I've begun saving up for a gun.

I'm torn between a rifle or a pistol, and I'm trying to think of a reliable but also relatively cheap firearm (preferably under the $500 mark if possible) and in an affordable and easy to find caliber like .22 LR, .38 Special, 9mm, .223 Remington, stuff like that.


Depends what you're wanting it for. My safe recommendation is get yourself a 9mm (I'm a new convert to 9mm from .45). You can't go wrong with a Glock 19 - tons of aftermarket parts, and it's a damn reliable weapon. But if you want the new hotness at that pricepoint (and I'm about to buy two of them) - check out Smith&Wesson's M&P2. You can figure out if you want full-size, compact etc. based on your needs.

If you're looking for home-defense... Can never go wrong with a 12-gauge. Mossberg or Remington are both excellent (I'll err on the side of Mossberg). They're CHEAP. Reliable. And you need minimal customization (new mags). You need only decide on your cost. Mossberg 590's are *excellent* pump shotguns, I own one. But their semi-auto 930SPX tactical shotguns are... heheh... serious business for starting out.

The only reason I'd recommend an AR now over those is due to the fact that AR's will become harder to get a hold of if all the leftists have their say. So you may wanna consider getting one sooner than later. The question to build your own vs. buying one fully built should be based on how much you're willing to spend. if $500 is your range... I *highly* recommend getting a pre-built name-brand like Smith&Wesson's M&P 15. It's very high-quality, cheap. But at that price range it will be hard to get an AR with nice fancy bells and whistles to build up from cheaply. So get one that's reliable and avoid polymer receivers as much as possible. If you want something *high-quality* (and in gaming terms if you give a SM MP15 a 90% rating.. the jump to "high quality" is like 95% rating and another $400 in parts.

If you're wanting to build up from more modular system, you can go fully custom parts and build yourself. It's not as hard as it sounds. But you can also buy a pre-made like Sig M400 Tread. It's a SUPERB  AR15 platform that has a lot of excellent built-in features. But it retails about $900... but you can easily upgrade to crazy mode from there if you want.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 13, 2020, 09:57:29 PM
I used to have quite an assortment. When I got married... my wife was, lets say... terrified of having this many weapons in the house.

I gave most of my arsenal to my brother. I kept my Colt 1911 and my Mossberg 590 12-gauge (currently using a Raptor-stock), and essentially got out of the whole "firearm hobby". At one point I had

M-14
.308 Henry Ranger lever-action
MAC-10 - It had options that were... special (I no longer own it).
Smith&Wesson .45 Revolver - it was a conversion from a .357, I was trying to consolidate my ammo and weapons.
AR 15 - it was a low-end M2 configuration. Used it for plinking, never took it too serious since I had an M14.
Remington Model 1100 'American Classic' 12-gauge.

I had some assorted .22's - a fun little pump, a couple of semi-auto rifles and a pistol. Just for plinking with my friends. I also had a couple of .357's (Taurus). I also had a full re-loading station, including drill-presses and other assorted equipment to make my own custom ammo.

NOW...

My wife is all-in as my kids are all adults and... you know... the times are changing.

Currently on tap...

About to pick up two more pistols. Probably going to get two S&M M&P 2.0's. I'm going with glass optics (haven't decided which). I'm also eyeballing the HKP30L for myself. All of them will have extra mods.

I'm custom building two AR15's. One will be pistol-framed the other will be a full size 16" cold-hammered barrel and both will be built from scratch. Going all metal receivers, mid-range gas-systems, Free-floating handguards, all flat-top, quad-rails on the long rifle, with flip-up irons and red-dot optics. Other mods I'll add later, especially drum mags, etc.

Last on the list - Smith & Wesson M&P 10. Basically it's an AR10 but it's fitted for the Creedmoor 6.5mm round. I'm still working on any goodies, and I'm considering getting a Spingfield M1SOCOM instead... but I'll probably stick the the S&M. This is my long-range weapon.

Heh I also called up my brother, and I'm getting my reloading gear back. I'll need to buy the dyes for the 6.5mm round... but I'll have to get that all set up, and I'll likely pick up a few more of my old weapons. My goal is to have all this set up before the New Year with CCP's for me and my whole family. (for sure me and my wife at minimum - but my daughter is totally down, so we'll see.)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 14, 2020, 04:48:38 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134028
If you're looking for home-defense... Can never go wrong with a 12-gauge. Mossberg or Remington are both excellent (I'll err on the side of Mossberg). They're CHEAP. Reliable. And you need minimal customization (new mags). You need only decide on your cost. Mossberg 590's are *excellent* pump shotguns, I own one. But their semi-auto 930SPX tactical shotguns are... heheh... serious business for starting out.

I got a 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and 18 inch barrel for home defense. The spread of buckshot should be pretty tight on impact since the line-of-sight in the house is a max of 30 feet. It's my first gun and I hadn't shot since the Navy Basic, but it seemed prudent to pick up with the stupid shit going on and me getting married soon.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 14, 2020, 04:51:16 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134028
If you're looking for home-defense... Can never go wrong with a 12-gauge. Mossberg or Remington are both excellent (I'll err on the side of Mossberg). They're CHEAP. Reliable. And you need minimal customization (new mags). You need only decide on your cost. Mossberg 590's are *excellent* pump shotguns, I own one. But their semi-auto 930SPX tactical shotguns are... heheh... serious business for starting out.


I got a 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and 18 inch barrel for home defense. The spread of buckshot should be pretty tight on impact since the line-of-sight in the house is a max of 30 feet. It's my first gun and I hadn't shot since the Navy Basic, but it seemed prudent to pick up with the stupid shit going on and me getting married soon.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 14, 2020, 05:16:35 AM
Quote from: The Spaniard;1133919
Thanks brother!  She grew up shooting shotguns on her grandpa's farm, so she's not shy around firearms.  We're looking forward to making a day of it.  We'll definitely get some good food, as full service restaurants are opening up around here now.


Greetings!

Hell yeah, my friend! Make sure to give us an after-action report on how the weekend went, brother!

How did your shooting go? Did your weapons perform as you expected them to?

How did your wife's shooting go? Did she have a blast and enjoy herself? Did she shoot better than you did? *laughing* That happens sometimes!

What all yummy food did you get to enjoy? Any cool recommendations for particular restaurants or recipes or dishes?

Do you plan on purchasing any new weapons? What plans do you have for your next shooting weekend?

Do you reload, Spaniard? Have you added any special toys or gunsmithing work to any of your weapons? If so, what were their performances like? Did you experience any frustrations or problems?

Yes, I love all this stuff! Some people might think you are a little strange, being passionate, but that's ok brother! I'd love to hear all about how your weekend went at the range.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 14, 2020, 05:30:04 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134028
Depends what you're wanting it for. My safe recommendation is get yourself a 9mm (I'm a new convert to 9mm from .45). You can't go wrong with a Glock 19 - tons of aftermarket parts, and it's a damn reliable weapon. But if you want the new hotness at that pricepoint (and I'm about to buy two of them) - check out Smith&Wesson's M&P2. You can figure out if you want full-size, compact etc. based on your needs.

If you're looking for home-defense... Can never go wrong with a 12-gauge. Mossberg or Remington are both excellent (I'll err on the side of Mossberg). They're CHEAP. Reliable. And you need minimal customization (new mags). You need only decide on your cost. Mossberg 590's are *excellent* pump shotguns, I own one. But their semi-auto 930SPX tactical shotguns are... heheh... serious business for starting out.

The only reason I'd recommend an AR now over those is due to the fact that AR's will become harder to get a hold of if all the leftists have their say. So you may wanna consider getting one sooner than later. The question to build your own vs. buying one fully built should be based on how much you're willing to spend. if $500 is your range... I *highly* recommend getting a pre-built name-brand like Smith&Wesson's M&P 15. It's very high-quality, cheap. But at that price range it will be hard to get an AR with nice fancy bells and whistles to build up from cheaply. So get one that's reliable and avoid polymer receivers as much as possible. If you want something *high-quality* (and in gaming terms if you give a SM MP15 a 90% rating.. the jump to "high quality" is like 95% rating and another $400 in parts.

If you're wanting to build up from more modular system, you can go fully custom parts and build yourself. It's not as hard as it sounds. But you can also buy a pre-made like Sig M400 Tread. It's a SUPERB  AR15 platform that has a lot of excellent built-in features. But it retails about $900... but you can easily upgrade to crazy mode from there if you want.


Greetings!

WAIT. You did WHAT? You have left the .45 for the 9mm? Oh fuck man. Come on, my brother! .45 or die! *Laughing*

You know, back in the day, in Guns and Ammo Magazine, there used to be these EPIC debates and after-action reports comparing 9mm with the .45!:D Such fun!

I have heard though, through some advances in ballistic technologies, 9mm's have improved significantly from 10 or 20 years ago.

I'm always partial to my Glock 21 .45 pistol, 4th generation. It's a weapon of pure beauty and awesome accuracy and firepower, right out of the box! I have a friend who works at a local gun shop, he's also a Law Enforcement Officer. He says he carries a Glock .45, and has trusted his life with the weapon. When I asked his advice on getting any adjustments to my own weapon, I was surprised to hear him explain to me that "No, my friend. The Glock has been so well-engineered and designed, you don't need to do a thing with it. It is unlikely you would improve on it's accuracy or performance in any meaningful way, and any adjustments could actually decrease the effectiveness of your Glock pistol. I have had my Glock at my side for over 10 years in Law Enforcement, and it has never let me down, at the range, or in action." Damn! Fucking cool though.:D It surprised me, because in all the gun magazines, all the different experts always love tweeking guns with this, and with that. But my police friend firmly said no way. Interesting perspective!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 14, 2020, 05:31:56 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;1134071
I got a 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and 18 inch barrel for home defense. The spread of buckshot should be pretty tight on impact since the line-of-sight in the house is a max of 30 feet. It's my first gun and I hadn't shot since the Navy Basic, but it seemed prudent to pick up with the stupid shit going on and me getting married soon.

Greetings!

Hey Jeff! 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and a home defense set up? Damn, man. That's sweet! I love urban assault shotguns!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: insubordinate polyhedral on June 14, 2020, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1134071
me getting married soon.


Congratulations!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on June 14, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1134074
Greetings!

WAIT. You did WHAT? You have left the .45 for the 9mm? Oh fuck man. Come on, my brother! .45 or die! *Laughing*

You know, back in the day, in Guns and Ammo Magazine, there used to be these EPIC debates and after-action reports comparing 9mm with the .45!:D Such fun!

I have heard though, through some advances in ballistic technologies, 9mm's have improved significantly from 10 or 20 years ago.

I'm always partial to my Glock 21 .45 pistol, 4th generation. It's a weapon of pure beauty and awesome accuracy and firepower, right out of the box! I have a friend who works at a local gun shop, he's also a Law Enforcement Officer. He says he carries a Glock .45, and has trusted his life with the weapon. When I asked his advice on getting any adjustments to my own weapon, I was surprised to hear him explain to me that "No, my friend. The Glock has been so well-engineered and designed, you don't need to do a thing with it. It is unlikely you would improve on it's accuracy or performance in any meaningful way, and any adjustments could actually decrease the effectiveness of your Glock pistol. I have had my Glock at my side for over 10 years in Law Enforcement, and it has never let me down, at the range, or in action." Damn! Fucking cool though.:D It surprised me, because in all the gun magazines, all the different experts always love tweeking guns with this, and with that. But my police friend firmly said no way. Interesting perspective!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's the difference between "The Guy Who's Lived It" and "The Guy Who Just Writes Articles About It".

Trust "The Guy Who's Lived It" (says the guy who hasn't).
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Joey2k on June 14, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
Mossberg 500 in the closet for home defense and for when the rioting and looting start.
Walther PPS 9mm is my carry gun
Ruger Security Six .357, was my dad's first handgun, he gave it to me several years back
A couple of .22 pistols (Taurus revolver and Browning Buck Mark)

Don't get to the range as often as I should. I don't particularly enjoy shooting, but I feel a responsibility to maintain a decent level of proficiency if I'm going to own them.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 14, 2020, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1134105
That's the difference between "The Guy Who's Lived It" and "The Guy Who Just Writes Articles About It".

Trust "The Guy Who's Lived It" (says the guy who hasn't).

Greetings!

Hey Randy my friend! That's damn straight, isn't it? I love my Glock .45! I do tend to trust my policeman friend. Ten years in action at the range and on duty in the police. I cn testify that my Glock has always been reliable, powerful, and absolutely fucking accurate. I too, would trust my life with it. Great pistol!

*laughing* So funny, Randy! "The Guy Who's Lived It" and "The Guy Who Just Writes Articles About It". Aahhhhhhhh! Fucking hilarious!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on June 14, 2020, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1134072
Greetings!

Hell yeah, my friend! Make sure to give us an after-action report on how the weekend went, brother!

How did your shooting go? Did your weapons perform as you expected them to?

How did your wife's shooting go? Did she have a blast and enjoy herself? Did she shoot better than you did? *laughing* That happens sometimes!

What all yummy food did you get to enjoy? Any cool recommendations for particular restaurants or recipes or dishes?

Do you plan on purchasing any new weapons? What plans do you have for your next shooting weekend?

Do you reload, Spaniard? Have you added any special toys or gunsmithing work to any of your weapons? If so, what were their performances like? Did you experience any frustrations or problems?

Yes, I love all this stuff! Some people might think you are a little strange, being passionate, but that's ok brother! I'd love to hear all about how your weekend went at the range.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Had a great time!  We both actually shot pretty well, although I'd like to get a scope for my AR before we go out next time.  Need to pick up some more ammo.  It's expensive at the range.  My wife has decided she doesn't like semi-autos, so we are going to concentrate on a revolver for her.  Afterwards, we went out for BBQ at a local hangout.  Weird mix of families and bikers all the time.  Cool place, and their ribs are the best!

I don't do any reloads or smithing, but would like to learn.  No real frustrations other than my 9mm catches a casing once in a while in the ejection port.  I just need to send it in to Taurus to take a look.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on June 14, 2020, 07:08:00 PM
I would actually like some tips on buying a gun. Something for home protection and taking to a firing range AND perferrably it won't blow my ears out if I ever have to fire it without ear protection. First question: are revolvers noisier than other pistol-type firearms?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: 3rik on June 14, 2020, 07:39:31 PM
Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: jeff37923 on June 14, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1134094
Congratulations!


Thank you! :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on June 14, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
Quote from: 3rik;1134136
Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?



Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 14, 2020, 11:47:25 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;1134071
I got a 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and 18 inch barrel for home defense. The spread of buckshot should be pretty tight on impact since the line-of-sight in the house is a max of 30 feet. It's my first gun and I hadn't shot since the Navy Basic, but it seemed prudent to pick up with the stupid shit going on and me getting married soon.


Mossy 88's are fine. The only thing, like my 90, that 'd change is the same thing: ammo capacity. Beyond that they're basically the same. Once you get the grip and stock you want - you really can't beat a Mossberg for the price.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1134074
Greetings!

WAIT. You did WHAT? You have left the .45 for the 9mm? Oh fuck man. Come on, my brother! .45 or die! *Laughing*

You know, back in the day, in Guns and Ammo Magazine, there used to be these EPIC debates and after-action reports comparing 9mm with the .45!:D Such fun!

I have heard though, through some advances in ballistic technologies, 9mm's have improved significantly from 10 or 20 years ago.


Stand down Marine! LOL. I know I know I know. My dad is in Valhalla scoffing at me now too. I *still* have my 1911. But the reality is this - ballistics have gotten much better for the 9mm. In fact before I got back into this game (which is every bit, if not more, opinionated than gaming forums) I did a LOT of research and discussion. My brother and his best friends are all operators. He, like me, was born and bred to live and die by the .45 for our sidearms and 7.62 for our rifles. But the overriding factors have happened that got me to change my mind:

1) Ballistics - 9mm have better penetration now than .45's. They still have the issue of tumbling through just about anything - but that's offset by larger capacity. Recoil is a big factor, not for me, but for my family. I'm committing to 9mm now because my wifey and daughter need a slightly lighter load. Bear with me on this - because it's a cunning ruse to move them to larger rounds.
2) Ammo cost and supply - 9mm is WAY cheaper, even now while this madness is upon us. My goal is to get a solid baseline of arms and ammo stored up. .45 ammo is like 30% more expensive. Now... that said, I do have .45 caliber weapons. My parallel goal is to get my reloading station set back up aroung Q1, then I'll be making my own .45 and 9mm at a much cheaper cost.
3) Realities - .45's as much as I dearly love them, seem to have the worst properties by the numbers of all the big rounds. 10mm has more recoil, but it hits harder. 9mm is lighter load, has much better penetration (now) but has much higher capacity. So while it's nominal - I'm happy with a .45, people who I'm very close with that are current operators, have recommended I go 9mm these days. Yeah I had to choke it down... so I'm going to commit.

That all said. I'm likely going to keep my .45 around and maybe next year put together a .45 carbine or something.

Quote from: SHARK;1134074
I'm always partial to my Glock 21 .45 pistol, 4th generation. It's a weapon of pure beauty and awesome accuracy and firepower, right out of the box! I have a friend who works at a local gun shop, he's also a Law Enforcement Officer. He says he carries a Glock .45, and has trusted his life with the weapon. When I asked his advice on getting any adjustments to my own weapon, I was surprised to hear him explain to me that "No, my friend. The Glock has been so well-engineered and designed, you don't need to do a thing with it. It is unlikely you would improve on it's accuracy or performance in any meaningful way, and any adjustments could actually decrease the effectiveness of your Glock pistol. I have had my Glock at my side for over 10 years in Law Enforcement, and it has never let me down, at the range, or in action." Damn! Fucking cool though.:D It surprised me, because in all the gun magazines, all the different experts always love tweeking guns with this, and with that. But my police friend firmly said no way. Interesting perspective!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Yeah! I'm going to fully explore my top three choices and whatever my guys recommend me use while I'm doing the CCP process. I'm keeping my mind open. I'm not a brand tribalist per se, especially once I decided to go 9mm. So Glock, S&M and HK are at the top of my list. CZ, SIG, and Ruger are also on the list.

I'm secretly looking forward to one day owning a Chiappa Rhino hehe.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: 3rik;1134136
Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?

Dude the similarities of Tribal Wars in fire-arm forums and gaming forums with their editions wars are *identical*.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 15, 2020, 02:56:47 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134161
Dude the similarities of Tribal Wars in fire-arm forums and gaming forums with their editions wars are *identical*.

Ah, I fondly remember my mch yonger (there is a bad btton on my keyboard... can yo gess which one?)... days, when I wold engage in fierce Caliber Wars in between ronds of Edition Wars... good times.... good...times...

Nowadays I can't read the Gon Pron novels withot shaking my head at the silliness of actally thinking 90% of any of that matters.  Yo know its bad when the brand of tactical Khakis teh hero favors are considered worth mentioning (twice as amsing when I have teh same pair mentioned, and wear them for chores like... painting the deck. Totally bad-ass, bro. Totally.)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 15, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134160
Bunch of pro 9mm garbage

This is just total bullshit perpetuated by the BIASED gun-ignorant MEDIA. .45 4lyfe!

That said, you mentioned a .45 carbine...I really want to get one of those Henry lever action rifles in .357 to go along with the cowboy action revolver. One cartridge to carry, just like the old days. I think they probably used 44-40s or something but those aren't as easy to get as .38/.357s.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 15, 2020, 10:37:26 AM
Shoot one of those Colt single-action Army revolvers in .45 Colt. That round has -authority-.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Steven Mitchell on June 15, 2020, 11:15:33 AM
I have questions from the perspective of someone that knows he is a bad shot.  (My depth perception sucks, especially in any kind of situation with lighting issues.)  Also, I'm rather slight in build, and would like my wife to go to the range as well.  Of course budget is always a concern, but I'd rather have a 1-3 very reliable, easy to maintain options than get too cheap with something that will be difficult to maintain.

Also, I'm unlikely to be confronted with a riot at home.  If it gets that bad, we are already in open shooting war, and I'm toast anyway.  More likely to see meth heads breaking and entering.

1. I have a 20 gauge and 410.  I've shot 12 gauge before, even an old 8 gauge once.  (I was offered a chance to shoot a 6 gauge, but given that I was 10 years old and the 8 almost knocked me down, decided to pass. :) )  I can handle a 12, but would rather not.  I know my wife can't handle a 12.  I'd think a 20 would be plenty, especially at the top of a flight of stairs.  Any reason why not under my circumstance, especially considering I'm more comfortable already with the 20?

2. What's the next option--pistol or rifle? Reading all the above, the 9 mm sounds like a good option to me.  

I have no current plans to apply for conceal carry, though that might change if it gets worse.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134182
This is just total bullshit perpetuated by the BIASED gun-ignorant MEDIA. .45 4lyfe!

That said, you mentioned a .45 carbine...I really want to get one of those Henry lever action rifles in .357 to go along with the cowboy action revolver. One cartridge to carry, just like the old days. I think they probably used 44-40s or something but those aren't as easy to get as .38/.357s.

HAHAHAHH!!!! dude you have no idea how much tooth-gnashing I've done about going 9mm.

Then coincidentally last night I saw this Colion Noir video... and your post this morning, and I just died laughing. It's so true.

https://youtu.be/po4nZTO3ES4

Edit: and so we're clear: I'm that guy. I loooooooove .45
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1134191
I have questions from the perspective of someone that knows he is a bad shot.  (My depth perception sucks, especially in any kind of situation with lighting issues.)  Also, I'm rather slight in build, and would like my wife to go to the range as well.  Of course budget is always a concern, but I'd rather have a 1-3 very reliable, easy to maintain options than get too cheap with something that will be difficult to maintain.

The only thing that will mitigate these things, generally, is practice. Mechanically - I'd recommend getting good optics, with depth-perception issues, you probably want to get a red-dot optic (or find a color that suits you). There are plenty of optics out there that are cheap but good quality. I suggest the SIG Romeo series. Super-durable, 50k-hr battery life, and they clock in around $100+.

Nothing will help you more than range-time.

Also - if/when you choose a pistol: pick a small round with less recoil, 9mm, or even a .380 and avoid compact sizes, get a full-size pistol to help absorb some of that recoil. That will help your aim a lot and reduce the learning curve on your perception issue. My mom is 4'11" and her favorite firearm is my Smith and Wesson .45 revolver conversion. It's a HEAVY hand-cannon, but the recoil is shockingly light. She's not shooting the heads off of flies or anything with it - but she'll drop a round center-mass easy enough.


Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1134191
Also, I'm unlikely to be confronted with a riot at home.  If it gets that bad, we are already in open shooting war, and I'm toast anyway.  More likely to see meth heads breaking and entering.

1. I have a 20 gauge and 410.  I've shot 12 gauge before, even an old 8 gauge once.  (I was offered a chance to shoot a 6 gauge, but given that I was 10 years old and the 8 almost knocked me down, decided to pass. :) )  I can handle a 12, but would rather not.  I know my wife can't handle a 12.  I'd think a 20 would be plenty, especially at the top of a flight of stairs.  Any reason why not under my circumstance, especially considering I'm more comfortable already with the 20?

20-gauge is fine. 12-gauge is optimal. 8-gauge is for hunting T-Rexes. Stick with what you're comfortable with.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1134191
2. What's the next option--pistol or rifle? Reading all the above, the 9 mm sounds like a good option to me.  

I have no current plans to apply for conceal carry, though that might change if it gets worse.

For home-defense - since you already have a shot-gun, I think a pistol (or two) is a smart move. I say two in case your wife is on board. Rifles are a good choice... but there are a LOT of caveats to that which I'll toss my two-coppers about below. 9mm, based on what you're saying above sounds solid. It's a light-round with good ballistics and any full-sized pistol will give you a lot of capacity. Of course if you get a Glock, you can get extended mags that can put 30-rds in your weapon. The most important thing for you when purchasing a pistol, far beyond anything I tell you is: Go to a range and shoot a variety of pistols in a variety of ammo-types.

9mm pistols have so much variety it will make your head spin. And this is true of .45, .40, 10mm, .357's too. Honestly, you need to get on the range and just go with what feels good in your hand. Glocks feel different than HK's which are different than SIG's etc. And keep in mind, you can modify your weapon of choice to really dial it in in terms of grips, optics, trigger - it's very common. Your local gun-range will likely have people on staff to help you figure all that out. Trust them.

Rifles - Like pistols, you need to have a clear idea about the purpose of the weapon is for. Home defense? Well what kind of home to do you live in? The environs you live in should be a real consideration. If you live in fairly close-quarters, the configuration of your rifle for optimal use might be important to you. If you want general "all-around" utility - that would be a different set of parameters. Basic AR-15's are easy enough to put-together or purchase off the rack without much fuss. But only you can decide for, in this case, "home defense" what that actually means.

Upthread I mentioned with SHARK that I'm going with two AR-15's. One is going to be a general-purpose all-around weapon. It won't have telescopic sights or anything, just a red-dot. I live in a sub-urb but I'm backed up against a wooded area with open ground, plus long wide streets. So for me, something that is close/mid-range including close-quarters seems logical. I'm also making a CQB-specific AR-pistol. Which is largely exclusively for close-quarters inside the house, but in a pinch can deal with close-range stuff if needs be.

But for range... I'm going to build a dedicated long-range rifle that uses an entirely different round and it will be specifically for hitting things a loooooong ways away. Not really designed for home-defense, I intend on starting to hunt in the near future. Filipinos and Boar are like Peanutbutter n' Jelly.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: blackstone on June 15, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
I own several firearms:
Ruger 556
S & W 686 .357 magnum
.22 LR revolver
.22 LR Luger
2 16 gauge shotguns (yes, 16 gauge. they're....weird. long story)
Winchester model 1894 carbine in .32 Winchester (1940s)
Winchester model 1894 rifle in .32 Winchester (low serial #: was made in 1903)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 15, 2020, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: blackstone;1134205
2 16 gauge shotguns (yes, 16 gauge. they're....weird. long story)

I had a bolt action 16 gauge my dad gave me, got stolen with a lot of other guns...apparently was super popular in Central Ohio due to the prohibition on hunting with anything other than a smooth bore "rifle" (something I'll never understand). Oddly enough, the local Walmart sells 16 gauge ammo, so it's probably less weird than you'd think.

EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 15, 2020, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1134193
HAHAHAHH!!!! dude you have no idea how much tooth-gnashing I've done about going 9mm.

Then coincidentally last night I saw this Colion Noir video... and your post this morning, and I just died laughing. It's so true.

https://youtu.be/po4nZTO3ES4

Edit: and so we're clear: I'm that guy. I loooooooove .45

Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 15, 2020, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134216
Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.

 There is a reason Sam Walker asked Sam Colt to upgrade his revolver to a .45.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134216
Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.

Hence .45 is part of my reloading kit once I get it set back up. I'm saving the world from ending.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 03:26:17 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134213
I had a bolt action 16 gauge my dad gave me, got stolen with a lot of other guns...apparently was super popular in Central Ohio due to the prohibition on hunting with anything other than a smooth bore "rifle" (something I'll never understand). Oddly enough, the local Walmart sells 16 gauge ammo, so it's probably less weird than you'd think.

EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?

My very first firearm was my dad's old 16-gauge shotgun he used to hunt with as a kid. Little-bitty 3-round magazine with a "spreader" on the muzzle. Bolt-action. Very fun. Wish I still had it.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 15, 2020, 05:58:55 PM
Greetings!

Well, think about this. In World War I, our doughboys and Marines at Bellue Wood used the .45 pistol. During World War II, our Army and Marines carried the 45 pistol against the Japanese and the Nazis. Same for our troops in the Korean War, and against the Communists in Vietnam.

Through the fat of peacetime, everyone except for the Marine Corps had changed to the 9mm.

Then our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan came. Army soldiers, Rangers, Green Berets, and Navy Seals--were all screaming that the 9mm pistol was weak shit in close quarters hand to hand combat. They demanded to go back to the 45 pistol. Alongside the Marine's testimony, the 45 pistol was again restored to a place of prominence in all of our elite military forces.

From this, even civilian Law Enforcement took notice, and more police departments and individual officers and special units chose to arm up by carrying a 45 pistol. Often a very popular choice for both the military, and Law Enforcement--as well as civilians--was the Glock 45 pistol.

Not the fucking 9mm. *Laughing* The 9mm pistol was kicked to the curb.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 15, 2020, 06:19:10 PM
From the Halls of Montezuuuuumaa! To the shores of Tripoliiiiiii!

I'm gonna save my .45 love for me.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 15, 2020, 07:08:22 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1134288
From the Halls of Montezuuuuumaa! To the shores of Tripoliiiiiii!

I'm gonna save my .45 love for me.


Greetings!

*Laughing* Hey brother! I knew you would love that! Yeah, I know the 9mm has been improved. I know many women don't like the size of the 45, and some men prefer the fit and handling of the 9mm. At the end of the day, like you have mentioned, feel what several models of each type feels in your hand. Shoot them, if possible. Select the one you like the best. If you just love the 9mm, then get a good 9mm. Go to the range, and go crazy with firing it, again, and again, and again. Put the center of a quarter out with it. *laughing*. Honestly, passion, practice, expertise, and comfort serve to make something good. I imagine anyone doing that would be fine.

Me, personally? I'm biased.:D I was trained in the Marines with a Colt 45 pistol. Over, and over, and over, I was told by my instructors, you can trust your life to this pistol. Your fellow Marines lives may depend on YOU and this weapon. Marines forever through the modern era, have gone to war with the 45 at their side. Learn this weapon. Master this weapon.

So, yeah. to this day my Glock 45 pistol is within reach of me, laying in bed.:D I don't keep it locked up, in a drawer, none of that bullshit. I keep it locked and loaded right there on my nightstand under a pillow. Why? Simplicity, Speed, and Survival. If an armed intruder was to break into your house, how much time do you think YOU would likely have to react EFFECTIVELY to the lethal situation at hand? Then, don't forget, YOU are waking up from sleep, and it's in the fucking dark.

I figure you have 60 seconds to two minutes before you could be jumped on, attacked, and killed.

Even half asleep, and in the dark, I can be armed and ready in about 5 seconds. 10 seconds, tops. Reach, rack, and aim. I'm ready for whatever comes. The good thing about a 45 is that it also doesn't matter how large, how strong, or how fat the enemy is, or what they are wearing. A single round from the 45 is going to put them DOWN. Two for sure will kill them. No one is ever "Lightly Wounded" by a solid strike from a 45 pistol. They are either dead, or they are otherwise really fucked--having an arm blown off, major bleeding from a shattered thigh, enormous blood loss from a side chest or stomach shot. If they aren't dead immediately, they will soon be dead, and fast. They certainly are not going to be interested in whatever mayhem they had planned originally. I plan on the kind of sub-optimal situations--I'm not aiming perfectly, I'm half asleep, in the dark, maybe with more than one assailant.

The 45 makes me very formidable. Boom, one shot to one enemy, they're dead. One shot to another, he's on the ground, screaming, critically bleeding out. Another, maybe my aim was off, and he's just lost a shoulder and arm, as he staggers to get the fuck out and escape...all while bleeding severely, with a ruined arm and shoulder. They aren't thinking about me, or my family. They are truly fucked. And that confidence is partially from the 45's lethal ruggedness and raw power, even if I am not my best, or holding other advantages. This kind of awesome lethal effectiveness--under sub-optimal conditions--is one big reason why I favour the 45 pistol over any other comparable pistol.

My Glock 21, 4th Generation pistol is simple, very accurate, and holds 13 rounds of ammunition. The pistol is easy to shoot, easy to clean and maintain. Slather some CLP on it, scrub with toothbrush, and you are good.

I highly recommend the Glock 45 pistol for self protection, as well as for target shooting and other self defense requirements.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: ffilz on June 15, 2020, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134213
EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?


No it would be like ATM teller...

Of course it should be smooth bore longarm or something like that...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Thornhammer on June 15, 2020, 10:10:25 PM
I have...uh...several guns.

One I really like is a 1911 with a serial number that puts it as a Navy contract frame from 1918.  At some point it was sent off to Clark Custom Guns and turned into a longslide model (based on the inscription it was probably done by Jim Senior).

It is, to say the least, a really nice firearm.  I have two Ruger Mark IIs they worked on, one was one my dad had sent to them back in the late 80s (I think), it is a dream to shoot.  The other I sent to them maybe 12 years ago, it is nice but not as reliable as his.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2020, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1134303
Greetings!

*Laughing* Hey brother! I knew you would love that! Yeah, I know the 9mm has been improved. I know many women don't like the size of the 45, and some men prefer the fit and handling of the 9mm. At the end of the day, like you have mentioned, feel what several models of each type feels in your hand. Shoot them, if possible. Select the one you like the best. If you just love the 9mm, then get a good 9mm. Go to the range, and go crazy with firing it, again, and again, and again. Put the center of a quarter out with it. *laughing*. Honestly, passion, practice, expertise, and comfort serve to make something good. I imagine anyone doing that would be fine.

Me, personally? I'm biased.:D I was trained in the Marines with a Colt 45 pistol. Over, and over, and over, I was told by my instructors, you can trust your life to this pistol. Your fellow Marines lives may depend on YOU and this weapon. Marines forever through the modern era, have gone to war with the 45 at their side. Learn this weapon. Master this weapon.

So, yeah. to this day my Glock 45 pistol is within reach of me, laying in bed.:D I don't keep it locked up, in a drawer, none of that bullshit. I keep it locked and loaded right there on my nightstand under a pillow. Why? Simplicity, Speed, and Survival. If an armed intruder was to break into your house, how much time do you think YOU would likely have to react EFFECTIVELY to the lethal situation at hand? Then, don't forget, YOU are waking up from sleep, and it's in the fucking dark.

I figure you have 60 seconds to two minutes before you could be jumped on, attacked, and killed.

Even half asleep, and in the dark, I can be armed and ready in about 5 seconds. 10 seconds, tops. Reach, rack, and aim. I'm ready for whatever comes. The good thing about a 45 is that it also doesn't matter how large, how strong, or how fat the enemy is, or what they are wearing. A single round from the 45 is going to put them DOWN. Two for sure will kill them. No one is ever "Lightly Wounded" by a solid strike from a 45 pistol. They are either dead, or they are otherwise really fucked--having an arm blown off, major bleeding from a shattered thigh, enormous blood loss from a side chest or stomach shot. If they aren't dead immediately, they will soon be dead, and fast. They certainly are not going to be interested in whatever mayhem they had planned originally. I plan on the kind of sub-optimal situations--I'm not aiming perfectly, I'm half asleep, in the dark, maybe with more than one assailant.

The 45 makes me very formidable. Boom, one shot to one enemy, they're dead. One shot to another, he's on the ground, screaming, critically bleeding out. Another, maybe my aim was off, and he's just lost a shoulder and arm, as he staggers to get the fuck out and escape...all while bleeding severely, with a ruined arm and shoulder. They aren't thinking about me, or my family. They are truly fucked. And that confidence is partially from the 45's lethal ruggedness and raw power, even if I am not my best, or holding other advantages. This kind of awesome lethal effectiveness--under sub-optimal conditions--is one big reason why I favour the 45 pistol over any other comparable pistol.

My Glock 21, 4th Generation pistol is simple, very accurate, and holds 13 rounds of ammunition. The pistol is easy to shoot, easy to clean and maintain. Slather some CLP on it, scrub with toothbrush, and you are good.

I highly recommend the Glock 45 pistol for self protection, as well as for target shooting and other self defense requirements.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Your comment reminded me of one of the sillier gun-control screeds. 'What if you were searching for your phone and grabbed your gun instead?'.

Because, you know, phones and guns totally feel the same in the dark and have the same weight.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 16, 2020, 09:53:06 AM
Luckily for the peaceful protester who was peacefully striking and chasing the fellow in New Mexico(accompanied by 20-30 other peaceful protesters shouting they would peacefully like to kill the guy), I think he got shot with a 9mm.  But unsure at the moment.  I think the media running with "armed militia" is going to eat shit though when that video gets circulated around.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 16, 2020, 10:28:16 AM
Quote from: oggsmash;1134393
Luckily for the peaceful protester who was peacefully striking and chasing the fellow in New Mexico(accompanied by 20-30 other peaceful protesters shouting they would peacefully like to kill the guy), I think he got shot with a 9mm.  But unsure at the moment.  I think the media running with "armed militia" is going to eat shit though when that video gets circulated around.

I just saw that story. Might cause the temperature to notch up. I saw SCOTUS punted on the anti-gun bill yesterday. That was a good thing...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 16, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
There are certain things I adhere to when it comes to self-defense. Some of these may or may not be legal; I don't much care.

1) A person who flees is not a valid target. This falls under 'imminent threat'. Note that the recent Atlanta shooting of Brooks doesn't fall under this as he attempted to shoot an officer with a taser. Which leads to...

2) A person who makes an attack action is a valid target. Weaponry is immaterial. People have died or been permanently crippled from the 'knockout game' and that's just a bare-knuckle punch. So to me it is completely irrelevant if you attack me with a fist, an electric hedge trimmer, or an AR-15; you are a valid target for self defense.

3) Self defense is a basic human right. Yes, that means everyone.

4) Self defense does not mean vigilantism. I will admit this is starting to get fuzzy in these times, as police/NG are enjoined from performing their duties and politicians support criminal activity. Suffice to say: unless law and order has completely shit the bed in your area, do not go out and pick fights. Stay on the defense.

Opinions?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 16, 2020, 11:12:22 AM
Took a class in lethal force as it relates to concealed and carry.  The guy teaching said he used to box, he pointed to me, and asked what I do (I have a scar on my forehead, under my eye, and my right ear is mangled) and I told him I run a BJJ Academy, had boxed and still train kickboxing as well,  and he said the standard for self defense is many states is a person of "reasonable firmness" fearing imminent serious bodily harm.   He said to modern people, this is a bloody nose, which someone getting a bloody nose in a boxing gym is called monday, but basically the average person is a huge pussy, and that is the standard for reasonable firmness today. So a bloody nose or reasonable expectation of such, can be used as valid justification, more so if an average person just knows you, and knows you box/wrestle/grapple/whatever pretty much gives them a greenlight to shoot you from a believable verbal threat.  He said, of course verbalization matters, but there is pretty wide lattitude for a citizen to light you up where I live.  

     On your own property you were at one time allowed to use lethal force to stop a felony as well, do not know if that one is still there.  But I do remember it being tested and passing.   No duty to flee, and if the person had a gun, shot at you and then flees, you are greenlight to kill them (a fellow I know personally was the first person in the state to test this portion of castle doctrine back in the 90's)   Self defense expectations of the defendee vary greatly state to state, but the NM shooter would meet the steepest of requirements ( he ran away, tried to mace them, they kept chasing and were a mob).  Where I live he was a green light as soon as the guy came at him with a skateboard.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 16, 2020, 11:14:48 AM
As to picking a fight, I would say, probably best to not go out period.  Just being there is picking a fight to leftists, or at least the media will paint it as such.   If you go out, I would say you are getting into fight, so make a decision like that weighing out all consequences before hand.  The proud boys in NYC, got sentenced to 4 years for winning a fight they did not start.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 17, 2020, 10:59:50 AM
So... I try to keep it basic.

I don't look for trouble. I was raised in very violent places by normal U.S. standards. I'm long disabused of the idea of having to prove my "manliness" to anyone, that ended around age 10. This doesn't mean that I'm incapable of violence, but it's like you intimate, @oggsmash - about "the standard" of what you can expect given your circumstances. If you live amongst violence, then your tolerance level for it is probably a lot higher. This brings with it a different psychology than it does for those that don't and live relatively calm and peaceful lives where violence for them comes through media programming and fiction-consumption.

I've been around the block more than a few times. I've seen people killed in front of my eyes with bad intentions. I've been in too many fights, most of which I could/should have avoided, some I caused intentionally out of youthful idiocy and egotism. But that's because I grew up a certain way, and I grew up in places where circumstances demanded a different response you won't find in "respectable communities".  I had to become self-aware of my own issues relative to others that didn't grow up as I did, later in life.

Ironically it's probably why I'm not really an SJW. Because I grew up watching the very people SJW's claim to be helping doing the *worst* shit that simply flies in the face of what white-SJW's pretend is "bad". Dead is *far* worse than harsh-words and innuendo.

This is why the current state of things brings some alarm to me. I know I'm not alone in my general experience. I probably think more about it than most, it's in my nature, but I have *zero* illusions that a lot of people in my boat: that came from humble and hard beginnings, have fought long and hard to get past obstacles in their lives, much of which was their own inadvertent creation, got lucky/became skilled enough to overcome those circumstances and excelled, and now enjoys a certain modicum of success. And you bet your ass we'll defend those things we worked for.

What I see is, generally, a bunch of spoiled over-privileged children LARPing at being revolutionaries, and being duped by Elites on the Left, and passively supported by Elites on the Right, who are themselves incapable of understanding the capacities of the this great quiet populace that is slowly becoming agitated, because they're seeing the threat to everything they worked for and believe in slowly materializing. And to those Elites... on the Left and Right... we're invisible. Hazards of egotistic privilege.

Unfortunately I fear these SJW LARP-Revolutionaries are going to find out too late what real violence is by those that do understand it. Come November, i think the LARPers will lose their shit, and may push things far enough to activate the other side. That backlash is going to get ugly. No gun-law passed by some bureaucrats in D.C. is going to change anything, other than create an outlaw-class unseen since Prohibition.

I generally agree that the 2nd Amendment is the one that allows you to have all the others... Welcome to the realities of the Human Experience.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 17, 2020, 02:31:36 PM
Greetings!

Yeah. Have a few more policemen killed, or charged for defending themselves from scum. Have a few militiamen killed or brutalized. Have a few more innocent, good people crushed and devoured by the mobs of Antifa animals.

*BOOM* It's coming. Just a few more, and I think the beast will be unleashed. The police won't save you. Calling on the National Guard won't be able to save you, either. Lawyers? Courts? No, they will become irrelevant. Police themselves will take sides--and they won't choose the Communists.

The beast will eat and chew, and grind. Lots and lots of blood will flow. The hurricane of rage will be unstoppable.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Mordred Pendragon on June 18, 2020, 02:38:31 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1134028
Depends what you're wanting it for. My safe recommendation is get yourself a 9mm (I'm a new convert to 9mm from .45). You can't go wrong with a Glock 19 - tons of aftermarket parts, and it's a damn reliable weapon. But if you want the new hotness at that pricepoint (and I'm about to buy two of them) - check out Smith&Wesson's M&P2. You can figure out if you want full-size, compact etc. based on your needs.

If you're looking for home-defense... Can never go wrong with a 12-gauge. Mossberg or Remington are both excellent (I'll err on the side of Mossberg). They're CHEAP. Reliable. And you need minimal customization (new mags). You need only decide on your cost. Mossberg 590's are *excellent* pump shotguns, I own one. But their semi-auto 930SPX tactical shotguns are... heheh... serious business for starting out.

The only reason I'd recommend an AR now over those is due to the fact that AR's will become harder to get a hold of if all the leftists have their say. So you may wanna consider getting one sooner than later. The question to build your own vs. buying one fully built should be based on how much you're willing to spend. if $500 is your range... I *highly* recommend getting a pre-built name-brand like Smith&Wesson's M&P 15. It's very high-quality, cheap. But at that price range it will be hard to get an AR with nice fancy bells and whistles to build up from cheaply. So get one that's reliable and avoid polymer receivers as much as possible. If you want something *high-quality* (and in gaming terms if you give a SM MP15 a 90% rating.. the jump to "high quality" is like 95% rating and another $400 in parts.

If you're wanting to build up from more modular system, you can go fully custom parts and build yourself. It's not as hard as it sounds. But you can also buy a pre-made like Sig M400 Tread. It's a SUPERB  AR15 platform that has a lot of excellent built-in features. But it retails about $900... but you can easily upgrade to crazy mode from there if you want.


I'll see what I can do to get an AR-15, but that might take a while to save up the funds.

I'm honestly thinking of getting a Mossberg pump-action.

My uncle swears by Mossberg when it comes to shotguns and so do most of my extended family and friends.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 18, 2020, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1134787
I'll see what I can do to get an AR-15, but that might take a while to save up the funds.

I'm honestly thinking of getting a Mossberg pump-action.

My uncle swears by Mossberg when it comes to shotguns and so do most of my extended family and friends.

Some gun is better than no gun at all. Although anything in .25ACP barely qualifies as gun, from what I've been told... :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: crkrueger on June 18, 2020, 08:35:08 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1134831
Some gun is better than no gun at all. Although anything in .25ACP barely qualifies as gun, from what I've been told... :D


Heh, this one guy I know was USMC.  He was in Iraq for Desert Storm and one of his stories is hanging out with some guys shooting the shit, British, Australian, French Foreign Legion, etc.  Anyway, they were talking about backup weapons and this Irish Royal Marine SBS brings out a Baby Browning which is .25ACP.  Everyone was giving him shit about it and he said "I've killed 5 men with this gun."...Everyone looks at him..."Well, not all in the same fight."  :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 18, 2020, 11:34:28 AM
yeah - if .25ACP is all you got, run with it.

I don't have any particular dislike for the round. It's an old round, and frankly for its ballistics it's crappy. But you know... right tool for the right job. If you need it to protect, it'll serve. If you have other choices? There are a lot of rounds, in fact almost any other round, I'd choose over it, heh. But I'm not going to shit on anyone if that's all they got. .22's will kill you dead too.

One of the rounds I'm currently very interested in is the 6.5 Creedmoor round (not the 6.5 Grendel). The almighty and venerable 7.65NATO (or .308 caliber for you old-school folks), has been the backbone for U.S. (and other military outfits) for the last century. It's an amazing round. It's not going anywhere, but the "new" kid on the block (it's not really new - just getting more acceptance) is the 6.5 Creedmoor. The ballistics on the Creedmoor are excellent and they outperform the venerable 7.62 at long ranges.

The degree of performance will probably not matter to the vast majority of users - we're talking at 700-yards+, but for people that do care, it's fairly significant. So much so the Creedmoor is now being adopted by various special forces units in the U.S. and once a round is backed by the military, it suddenly becomes a viable option for civilian support. Right now, it's probably premature to go all-in unless you're trying to be "edgy" or you're doing a lot of long-range target shooting for fun/competition. But I'm curious to see it on a battle-rifle platform like an AR10 chassis.

I'm personally strongly considering it for my long-range option. But I may still go 7.62... we'll see.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 18, 2020, 11:35:21 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;1134833
Heh, this one guy I know was USMC.  He was in Iraq for Desert Storm and one of his stories is hanging out with some guys shooting the shit, British, Australian, French Foreign Legion, etc.  Anyway, they were talking about backup weapons and this Irish Royal Marine SBS brings out a Baby Browning which is .25ACP.  Everyone was giving him shit about it and he said "I've killed 5 men with this gun."...Everyone looks at him..."Well, not all in the same fight."  :D

When the discussion turns to small caliber pistols, I love to bring up the Kolibri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2mm_Kolibri).

Talk about a weapon for hunting mosquitoes and angry field mice... :)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 18, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
Charging a guy with aggravated assault for trying to leave a confrontation (New Mexico), and charging a cop with a Capital Punishment crime for operated pretty much right down the line with Atlanta SOP......Well If the Blue Flu lasts for a week or so I guess we will see.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: crkrueger on June 18, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1134880
yeah - if .25ACP is all you got, run with it.

I don't have any particular dislike for the round. It's an old round, and frankly for its ballistics it's crappy. But you know... right tool for the right job. If you need it to protect, it'll serve. If you have other choices? There are a lot of rounds, in fact almost any other round, I'd choose over it, heh. But I'm not going to shit on anyone if that's all they got. .22's will kill you dead too.

One of the rounds I'm currently very interested in is the 6.5 Creedmoor round (not the 6.5 Grendel). The almighty and venerable 7.65NATO (or .308 caliber for you old-school folks), has been the backbone for U.S. (and other military outfits) for the last century. It's an amazing round. It's not going anywhere, but the "new" kid on the block (it's not really new - just getting more acceptance) is the 6.5 Creedmoor. The ballistics on the Creedmoor are excellent and they outperform the venerable 7.62 at long ranges.

The degree of performance will probably not matter to the vast majority of users - we're talking at 700-yards+, but for people that do care, it's fairly significant. So much so the Creedmoor is now being adopted by various special forces units in the U.S. and once a round is backed by the military, it suddenly becomes a viable option for civilian support. Right now, it's probably premature to go all-in unless you're trying to be "edgy" or you're doing a lot of long-range target shooting for fun/competition. But I'm curious to see it on a battle-rifle platform like an AR10 chassis.

I'm personally strongly considering it for my long-range option. But I may still go 7.62... we'll see.

7.62x51 would be a much better SHTF/WROL option, but if you get a fuckton of reloading supplies that might be ok, but you won't be scavenging much Creedmoor.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 18, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
I also have a "history of violence", not as significant as what tenbones has experienced. I, most unfortunately, fully agree with what he has posted. I am trying to not be alarmed, just observant. I am considering swift evac out of LA.

As much as I love ironmongery, I am concerned lawful self-defense might soon become illegal.

Quote from: SHARK;1134673
The beast will eat and chew, and grind. Lots and lots of blood will flow. The hurricane of rage will be unstoppable.


We need to avoid that...and avoid the Leftist psycho-nonsense. Thus my thread on how we might balkanize peacefully...or at least with the bare minimum loss of life.

My father was Croatian, aka former Yugoslavia. I've seen what happens with a modern civil war and its aftermath, but I also saw Croatia under communism too. It's all shit that nobody wants.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 18, 2020, 05:32:14 PM
Firearms for home defense is one topic, but we also need to discuss Concealed Carry and Open Carry. I believe these issues are going to be forefront if the insanity continues to escalate. Of course, you may be saving your life only to face murder charges, but there is the concept of firearm as deterrent.

Another point of our discussion should be legal and concealable melee weapons. I've had a variety of knives over the decades, but changes in California law have made carry of them illegal. I need to research what current punch knives have been designed to wiggle around state laws regarding blade length.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 18, 2020, 07:11:43 PM
I would say stay in good shape and be able to fight.  The gun should be a total last resort.   But worrying about concealed carry and open carry....they are charging a cop with doing his duty down the line a capital murder charge.   Concern with those things is the old rearranging deck furniture on the titanic post iceberg.   I think it is more important to make sure you own the gun.  I think every man should always carry a knife, and so long as you are not going into a courthouse or airplane....well legal is a word that swings sharply according to geography or time.  

    I would possibly consider not living in a state where a basic staple of being a man (carrying a knife) is not illegal.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 18, 2020, 08:07:36 PM
Seems the Charges have been dropped by the DA in New Mexico, so maybe there is hope out there.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 19, 2020, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: oggsmash;1134982
Seems the Charges have been dropped by the DA in New Mexico, so maybe there is hope out there.

Not quite. They dropped the shooting charge (and have left the door open to reinstate it), but he's still charged with aggravated battery and misdemeanor battery, as well as carrying concealed without a permit (also a misdemeanor).

They MIGHT be able to get the battery charges to stick, maybe. As I understand it, it was 'mutual combat' and nobody had clean hands in those altercations.

If I was his lawyer, though, I'd tell the DA, 'We'll plead guilty to carrying without a permit, and we won't make you look like the Antifa-dicksucker you are in court for charging a guy who was defending himself from having his head caved in with a skateboard.'
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 19, 2020, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135066
Not quite. They dropped the shooting charge (and have left the door open to reinstate it), but he's still charged with aggravated battery and misdemeanor battery, as well as carrying concealed without a permit (also a misdemeanor).

They MIGHT be able to get the battery charges to stick, maybe. As I understand it, it was 'mutual combat' and nobody had clean hands in those altercations.

If I was his lawyer, though, I'd tell the DA, 'We'll plead guilty to carrying without a permit, and we won't make you look like the Antifa-dicksucker you are in court for charging a guy who was defending himself from having his head caved in with a skateboard.'

   When I posted this there was no aggravated battery....just a carrying a weapon improperly and simple battery.
  Well, the skateboard they didnt care about.  The knife found at the scene, and the video of the guy he shot holding it in his left hand coming at him......well...that was about to look bad.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 19, 2020, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1135097
When I posted this there was no aggravated battery....just a carrying a weapon improperly and simple battery.
  Well, the skateboard they didnt care about.  The knife found at the scene, and the video of the guy he shot holding it in his left hand coming at him......well...that was about to look bad.

I forgot about the knife. That's on me. Doesn't change the fact he was about to get swarmed by the baboons until he drew down and plugged the nearest guy.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 19, 2020, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135111
I forgot about the knife. That's on me. Doesn't change the fact he was about to get swarmed by the baboons until he drew down and plugged the nearest guy.

  Oh he was clean shoot with no knife.  But the DA knows even the dumbest bastard out there seeing the dude with a combat knife might make them go WTF.  Multiple attackers, skateboard, crowd screaming we will kill you, there was no knife needed for him to walk.  The charge with the knife on video though......massive lawsuit.   He should drop all charges. But I am sure he wants to do as much financial damage as he can in the meantime.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 20, 2020, 08:50:20 AM
Shifting to something more cheerful, from the 'I didn't need that shoulder anyways!' department:

An anti-material rifle chambered in 14.5x114mm. (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/17/ukrainian-snipex-alligator-14-5x114mm-anti-materiel-rifle/)

I mean, you never know when you're going to need to hunt a rabid dinosaur or rampaging mecha...

(don't get me wrong, if you have the funds to buy it, fine... but dear God, where do you go to shoot it? And what kind of targets? And how expensive is the ammo?)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 20, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
My brother has a book with international firearms.  I think one was a Russian WW1 era bolt action rife that shot a 20mm round.  It had a design like a beefed up Mosin.  I think it weighed 11 pounds.  I remember the entry being funny, something about broken collar bones and ribs.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 21, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
In Ukraine, shoulder recoils the gun!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 21, 2020, 10:27:45 PM
Any of you carry knives? What do you carry and what's legal in your state?

Here's what we're dealing with in California.
https://mdcreekmore.com/california-knife-laws-3/
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 22, 2020, 09:01:58 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135557
Any of you carry knives? What do you carry and what's legal in your state?

Here's what we're dealing with in California.
https://mdcreekmore.com/california-knife-laws-3/

Generally a folding blade knife or some form of multitool. I got in a bit of a row at work because they instituted a 'no knives' policy. As I sarcastically pointed out, 'You trust me with power tools but not a pocket knife. How thoughtful.'

A tool has no innate capacity for misuse; it is the intent of the hand that wields it that makes all the difference.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 22, 2020, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135557
Any of you carry knives? What do you carry and what's legal in your state?

Here's what we're dealing with in California.
https://mdcreekmore.com/california-knife-laws-3/


I personally don't. My daughter carries two balisongs (Benchmade) with her at all times. She's insanely good with them. She also started up practicing with throwing knives in the backyard.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 22, 2020, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135557
Any of you carry knives? What do you carry and what's legal in your state?

Here's what we're dealing with in California.
https://mdcreekmore.com/california-knife-laws-3/


Simply for work, I often carry a pocket knife. My go to for a while now has been a Kershaw I got for 15 dollars, nice and solid.  Not that I carry for 'protection'... I once had a pocket knife plled on me. I spent thirty second or so staring at this man, knowing what he was doing, incredolos...  in retrospect I shold have beat him senseless while he was doing it, bt I cold not believe what I was seeing...  If I want to play pretend vis a vis knives, I have a 14 inch Khyber made in pakistan from, I think, a trock spring, and recently got a Condor 'machete' that I really like the hand feel. Its a bit short given my gorilla arms for machete work, not a problem for imaginary zombie slaying, however...

I can point ot that I have a legal claim on some 50 acres in california near to Nevada, East of Fresno.  I probably will never actally do anything with it becase of domb laws... People's Repblic of California can sink into the pacific. I'll miss my cosins and soch-like, bt them's the breaks...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 22, 2020, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135557
Any of you carry knives? What do you carry and what's legal in your state?

Here's what we're dealing with in California.
https://mdcreekmore.com/california-knife-laws-3/

I have a tactical knife in my truck, usually two pocket knives on me at all times, just regular 3" folding knives. One is fairly dangerous looking and really serves no purpose other than to stab someone, the other is a typical knife I use constantly to do stuff like cut rope, open boxes, whatever. 100% utility. Now that switchblades are legal (why were they ever illegal is beyond me), I'm going to get a good one NOT made in China. I have a severe fear that some shitty Chinese POS switchblade spring is going to just randomly break and the blade will stab me in the balls. I also have a bunch of hunting knives from when I used to hunt, and a bigass Arkansas Toothpick I got from a blacksmith at a renfaire. It's actually really well made, but is technically large enough to be a shortsword or something. I made my wife carry a tac knife because she teaches some classes late at the local university, but now that she has an LTC, she takes her 9mm instead. Just got her a couple more magazines for it as anymore I don't think 10 shots is gonna be enough...she refuses to carry a .45 because it's heavy. Any recommendations on 9 ammo for self defense?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: crkrueger on June 25, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: Brad;1135746
I have a tactical knife in my truck, usually two pocket knives on me at all times, just regular 3" folding knives. One is fairly dangerous looking and really serves no purpose other than to stab someone, the other is a typical knife I use constantly to do stuff like cut rope, open boxes, whatever. 100% utility. Now that switchblades are legal (why were they ever illegal is beyond me), I'm going to get a good one NOT made in China. I have a severe fear that some shitty Chinese POS switchblade spring is going to just randomly break and the blade will stab me in the balls. I also have a bunch of hunting knives from when I used to hunt, and a bigass Arkansas Toothpick I got from a blacksmith at a renfaire. It's actually really well made, but is technically large enough to be a shortsword or something. I made my wife carry a tac knife because she teaches some classes late at the local university, but now that she has an LTC, she takes her 9mm instead. Just got her a couple more magazines for it as anymore I don't think 10 shots is gonna be enough...she refuses to carry a .45 because it's heavy. Any recommendations on 9 ammo for self defense?


ShootingTheBull410 on YouTube does a ton of ballistics testing using Ballistic Gel.
Paul Harrell on YouTube does testing using a layered meat/bone/clothes target.

Federal HST is a top performer in many roundups.  
Hornady Critical Defense does good in gel and is good in tests with clothing because the hollow point doesn't get clogged with fabric.
There's also some crazyass stuff with Underwood making rounds with Lehigh bullets, other "Ripper" rounds that split off fragments like shrapnel and other killer bullets that probably aren't worth the legal trouble if you shoot someone with them.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on June 26, 2020, 10:40:01 AM
So in the last three-days the AR-15 market has been *swarmed* with new purchases. They are flying off the shelves and now... unless you're going to drop a lot of money for a now highly-marked up rifle, it's going to be very difficult to buy one at a reasonable coast (depending what you're looking for).

I've resigned myself to building my own. I'm going BCM Lower and Upper (yeah... it's pricey, but I want quality). My brother can get me... substantial discounts... on most of the extras (40% off Vortex optics!). So while I wanted to settle on a SIG Tread, or an S&M MP15 Tactical... you simply can't find one without a markup that puts it into BCM/Daniel Defense price-ranges. So why not get/build one of those?

I'm not complaining. Just saying for anyone looking at picking up an AR... be prepared for a serious hunt, unless you're going budget-level, like Palmetto Arms, Ruger, etc. and even then I'm seeing people jack the prices up on those.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 26, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: CRKrueger;1136358
There's also some crazyass stuff with Underwood making rounds with Lehigh bullets, other "Ripper" rounds that split off fragments like shrapnel and other killer bullets that probably aren't worth the legal trouble if you shoot someone with them.

Aside from the legal issues, there have been engineering and physics questions raised about these so called 'ripper rounds' because they don't seem to work the way the manufacturer brags about them. I remember reading discussion on gunblogs about them a while back, and the consensus was 'eh, buy some hollowpoints, less drama that way'.

I want boltrounds, myself :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on June 26, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1136473
Aside from the legal issues, there have been engineering and physics questions raised about these so called 'ripper rounds' because they don't seem to work the way the manufacturer brags about them. I remember reading discussion on gunblogs about them a while back, and the consensus was 'eh, buy some hollowpoints, less drama that way'.

I want boltrounds, myself :D

Good luck with the recoil on those! :cool:
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 26, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
We talking WH40K "bolt rounds"   They are essentially missles that accelerate, and I would imagine human size bolts (10-13mm) would not recoil any more than fire arms rounds.  My understanding is the SM bolt calibers are .75cal (almost 20mm) and a round like that is going to have impressive recoil no matter how it accelerates.  I think the issue with a bolt round (essentially a faster acceleration gyrojet round) is going be horribly expensive.    But explosive tipped, "slower" and guided....it would be extremely combat effective.  I saw a short film (DUST on youtube I think) where a weapons company had perfected biometric recognition and targeting AI and armed small drones with a single shot 30ish caliber explosive round meant to be fired once in physical contact with target.    It did make some fairly simple technological items extremely deadly when coupled with malicious intent.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on June 26, 2020, 12:20:01 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1136479
We talking WH40K "bolt rounds"   They are essentially missles that accelerate, and I would imagine human size bolts (10-13mm) would not recoil any more than fire arms rounds.  My understanding is the SM bolt calibers are .75cal (almost 20mm) and a round like that is going to have impressive recoil no matter how it accelerates.  I think the issue with a bolt round (essentially a faster acceleration gyrojet round) is going be horribly expensive.    But explosive tipped, "slower" and guided....it would be extremely combat effective.  I saw a short film (DUST on youtube I think) where a weapons company had perfected biometric recognition and targeting AI and armed small drones with a single shot 30ish caliber explosive round meant to be fired once in physical contact with target.    It did make some fairly simple technological items extremely deadly when coupled with malicious intent.

Something of a cross between a grenade launcher and a gyrojet makes the most sense. Reduced recoil vs. a same caliber conventional firearm, to be sure. Recoilless? Unlikely.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 26, 2020, 05:56:24 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1136457
So in the last three-days the AR-15 market has been *swarmed* with new purchases. They are flying off the shelves and now...


I can't imagine why. What could possibly be motivating people?

So confusing. :D


Quote from: tenbones;1136457
I've resigned myself to building my own.


Have you built guns before? Or is this going to be new learning experience?

Please keep us posted with pics along the way. It will be interesting to hear about your process and progress.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 26, 2020, 06:19:58 PM
Greetings!

Yeah, with the recent chaos and rebellion spreading like a dark cloud across our land, it dawns on people like a lightning bolt why our 2nd Amendment is so crucial to our freedom, safety, and way of life. Our right to be armed doesn't have a damned thing to do with "sporting" or "hunting." It is all about protecting ourselves, our families, and our homes from lawless rebels--and a tyrannical government. Or an indecisive, mushy government that has lost the courage to enforce law and order. We have seen so many examples of weak mayors, pathetic city councils, and inept governors sit idly by while bands of rebels run about, murdering, raping, burning and looting.

NOW you know why you need to arm the fuck up, and fast. Your life--or your family--or a neighbor's--may exactly depend on whether you stand armed and ready.

No one else will hear you. No one else may come to your side in the time of danger. YOU may be the one person that makes all the difference.

The alternative is you being forced to your knees, watching helplessly as everything and everyone that you love is killed and burned.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 28, 2020, 12:33:00 AM
Greetings!

I talked to some of the guys down at my local gun store--and they all say that gun sales--as well as ammunition sales, as well as other gear, is going through the roof! Hell, even local Sportsmen's Warehouses and Cabellas--both large gun and hunting gear stores, with camping and outdoors supplies and gear--they too are selling out of so many types of firearms as well as ammunition. They can barely keep up with the constant demand for more weapons, more ammunition. Men of course are arming the fuck up, but so are women, young and old alike. AR-15 rifles, hunting rifles, shotguns, 9mm pistols, .357 magnums, 45 pistols, everything is being bought up as fast as they can get restock shipments in.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on June 28, 2020, 02:30:35 AM
Greetings!

UNITY and embracing the 2nd Amendment keeps the city of Coeur De Lane, Idaho safe from BLM looters and rebels. I heard from some neighbors that BLM had gathered on the border of the city next to Washington, State--but when word reached them that the city was armed and ready, the BLM rebels stopped and returned to Washington, State. No rioting, looting, or mayhem in the city!



Good American citizens, armed to the teeth, standing against lawlessness and anarchy.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 29, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
My town had some protesters show up every day for about a week. They were met, each time, by as many, if not more, local bikers, so no rioting or looting.  Amusingly, when I say bikers, I don't mean 1%'ers, though I'm sure a few were around, but mostly middle age working class dudes.    I should mention I live a few hours from Sturgis, in Oilfield country, so when I mean 'working class' I mean roughnecks and roustabouts, and when I say bikers, I mean half the adults in town own some species of hog.

Honestly, I'm not sure where the protesters were coming from to begin with, but full faith and credit to them for at least daring to show up day after day.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: KingCheops on June 29, 2020, 06:08:31 PM
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Surprised this isn't up here yet.  Terrible trigger discipline but baller.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 30, 2020, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: KingCheops;1137019
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Surprised this isn't up here yet.  Terrible trigger discipline but baller.

Yeah, everyone wants to talk shit about their trigger discipline, etc (some merely in jest, I admit).

Nobody wants to address the elephant in the room: the protest march bashed down a locked gate to a private road and were straight up trespassing.

People can argue all they like; the protestors were completely in the wrong, and may face trespass and criminal intimidation charges. Sucks to be them.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 30, 2020, 09:15:52 AM
The DA has said she will pursue any charges she can against the couple.   So I have doubts the mob will face charges.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on June 30, 2020, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: oggsmash;1137161
The DA has said she will pursue any charges she can against the couple.   So I have doubts the mob will face charges.

Yes, let's prosecute people defending their property from a violent mob...makes 100% sense in Marxist Amerika!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 30, 2020, 10:01:43 AM
Quote from: Brad;1137172
Yes, let's prosecute people defending their property from a violent mob...makes 100% sense in Marxist Amerika!

  Well, a cop getting a capital murder charge when he operated down the line with police procedure taught nationally, I think it is to be expected.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: KingCheops on June 30, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
Zerohedge doesn't have a source in the update but they're reporting the cops are investigating the rioters.  I guess it depends how reliable you feel they are.  I'm pretty sure I saw properly sourced reports on Twitter as well but I can't search that for shit.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gun-toting-st-louis-lawyers-defend-mansion-blm-protesters-viral-video (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gun-toting-st-louis-lawyers-defend-mansion-blm-protesters-viral-video)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 30, 2020, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1137161
The DA has said she will pursue any charges she can against the couple.   So I have doubts the mob will face charges.

Well, that will be interesting, seeing as apparently the man in the picture is not just obscenely wealthy (his House is apparently some sort of restored century old landmark mansion that he entirely funded said restoration of), but made that money in lawyering. Its onething to engage in casual lawfare intimidation against po' white trash and the common man, its another thing entirely when dealing with deeply connected fuckheug wealthy... lawyers.

But then again: Maybe the DA's message isn't meant for the man with the gun, but is meant for all those soft target po' white trash that might dare stand up for the mob.   After all, its big news when the DA makes his (her?) statement, its below the fold page 32 when the case is quitely dropped because there is no legal leg to stand on.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spinachcat on June 30, 2020, 08:47:46 PM
The DA wants cancel culture to take out the lawyers. Her message is for anyone else thinking about defending their property from the righteous foot soldiers of Burn Loot Murder, Inc.

As for the wife's trigger discipline, it was perfect. She was under threat and not a shot went off accidentally...especially in her husband's head. But yes, she needs some classes for the almost inevitable next confrontation.

The rioters threatened to kill their dog and burn down their home. I doubt I'd be as calm.  

I understand the couple are Democrats. I wonder if this is going to wake them up. I give 50/50 at best.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 30, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1137299

I understand the couple are Democrats. I wonder if this is going to wake them up. I give 50/50 at best.

There is some confusion about that, as apparently a lawyer with the same name donated to Trump in that state, while a lawyer of that name donated to democrats in another state... Apparently a lot of politically active lawyers with the same name exist, on both sides of the spectrum... which is doubly odd when you realize 90% of lawyers are democrats, registered and proud...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on June 30, 2020, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from: Spike;1137301
There is some confusion about that, as apparently a lawyer with the same name donated to Trump in that state, while a lawyer of that name donated to democrats in another state... Apparently a lot of politically active lawyers with the same name exist, on both sides of the spectrum... which is doubly odd when you realize 90% of lawyers are democrats, registered and proud...

   I think there is also a chance he could donate to both, I would imagine once you get on a certain level as a lawyer, you might have pals on both sides of the aisle, well at least until current year.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on June 30, 2020, 09:34:22 PM
Quote from: oggsmash;1137302
I think there is also a chance he could donate to both, I would imagine once you get on a certain level as a lawyer, you might have pals on both sides of the aisle, well at least until current year.

Ah, but notice they are different states. The Picture is from... as I recall... St Louis, which means Missouri, while the OTHER donations were in Milwaukee... as I recall... which is in Wisconsin.  

These are not remotely contiguous states, though I suppose you could say they are at least both just a bit east of being Midwestern? So at least in the same general region? I mean... if you want to drive a thousand miles.

But yes: it is possible to donate to both parties, though on an individual (rather than corporate...) level one has to wonder what the payoff would be?  Then again, rich people play by different rules than the rest of us. Always have, always will.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on July 01, 2020, 01:58:38 AM
For all I know he knows the people personally.  At some levels, it is getting invited to parties I guess.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 02, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
Greetings!

I'm thinking about getting a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun, in the Urban Assault configuration, with a 16-inch barrel. There is this one at my local gun shop that I swear, this sweet weapon is just barely longer than my arm! It is so easy to move around and maneuverable. A friend that works there--he is also a policeman--showed me briefly how he uses it to sweep a room, go around corners and so on. I can imagine using the weapon in the house in a situation where having that kind of agility is really an advantage. He then showed me the difference between using the Urban Assault model as compared to using the standard Hunting configuration. That was eye-opening, and neat, too. The shorter barrel provides almost an instant point-of-aim dynamic. It's almost like shooting a pistol, if that makes sense. It's so maneuverable, geesus. It is really nice. All black, with the pistol grip, and I like the pump-action slide, too. I'm definitely wanting to get this very nice Urban Assault shotgun!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2020, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1137575
Greetings!

I'm thinking about getting a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun, in the Urban Assault configuration, with a 16-inch barrel. There is this one at my local gun shop that I swear, this sweet weapon is just barely longer than my arm! It is so easy to move around and maneuverable. A friend that works there--he is also a policeman--showed me briefly how he uses it to sweep a room, go around corners and so on. I can imagine using the weapon in the house in a situation where having that kind of agility is really an advantage. He then showed me the difference between using the Urban Assault model as compared to using the standard Hunting configuration. That was eye-opening, and neat, too. The shorter barrel provides almost an instant point-of-aim dynamic. It's almost like shooting a pistol, if that makes sense. It's so maneuverable, geesus. It is really nice. All black, with the pistol grip, and I like the pump-action slide, too. I'm definitely wanting to get this very nice Urban Assault shotgun!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

What, no pictures? Honestly, I'm in the market for a coach gun at this point due to a certain movement thinking it's A-OK to block traffic with all the shenanigans that can result from such. Something like what you describe might be just as good.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on July 02, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
Well I dunno if anyone of you are actively shopping right now... but it's a DESERT for AR15's

I'm pretty much down to buying all the parts individually and having to put it all together myself... which isn't a bad thing per se because then I'll get exactly what I want. Currently looking at BCM lower and upper receivers. 16" chrome-lined (or teflon if I can find it) cold-hammered barrel with a 1:8 twist. I'll source triggers and such later. Still looking at bolt-carrier options and gas-systems.

Shotguns are drying up too. But I'm good in that department.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 02, 2020, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1137576
What, no pictures? Honestly, I'm in the market for a coach gun at this point due to a certain movement thinking it's A-OK to block traffic with all the shenanigans that can result from such. Something like what you describe might be just as good.

Greetings!

Hey there Ghostmaker!:D Yeah, fucking BLM thugs think they can just go fucking crazy attacking people, burning and looting. Some BLM fuckstick was arrested down south a ways there in Provo, Utah, for going up to a vehicle driving down the street and going into a turn at a downtown crosswalk, the BLM thug just pulled a pistol out and shot the driver through his passenger-side window. The driver was evidently a 70-year old man.

It made me think, Hmmm. Having a Urban Assault 12-gauge shotgun on the floor, or tucked into the driver-side of the seat, would definitely be a welcome weapon to use in such close quarters with such a bastard. Can you believe that? Shot a man just driving through the intersection in downtown Provo, Utah. Provo, Utah is a fairly small place, too.

Thankfully, the police in Utah don't play games, and the BLM thug was swiftly arrested. I read that the police are charging him with a fuckload of charges. Aggravated Assault, Aggravated Attempted Murder, Endangering The Public, and on and on. I hope they fry the bastard.

So, in the vehicle, a shotgun could be very nice. Close range, short impact with little carry through, you know? Having one in the house is good too though. I'm starting to think I will take a pistol, and a shotgun in my SUV whenever I go out. It is getting so fucking crazy out there!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1137581
Greetings!

Hey there Ghostmaker!:D Yeah, fucking BLM thugs think they can just go fucking crazy attacking people, burning and looting. Some BLM fuckstick was arrested down south a ways there in Provo, Utah, for going up to a vehicle driving down the street and going into a turn at a downtown crosswalk, the BLM thug just pulled a pistol out and shot the driver through his passenger-side window. The driver was evidently a 70-year old man.

It made me think, Hmmm. Having a Urban Assault 12-gauge shotgun on the floor, or tucked into the driver-side of the seat, would definitely be a welcome weapon to use in such close quarters with such a bastard. Can you believe that? Shot a man just driving through the intersection in downtown Provo, Utah. Provo, Utah is a fairly small place, too.

Thankfully, the police in Utah don't play games, and the BLM thug was swiftly arrested. I read that the police are charging him with a fuckload of charges. Aggravated Assault, Aggravated Attempted Murder, Endangering The Public, and on and on. I hope they fry the bastard.

So, in the vehicle, a shotgun could be very nice. Close range, short impact with little carry through, you know? Having one in the house is good too though. I'm starting to think I will take a pistol, and a shotgun in my SUV whenever I go out. It is getting so fucking crazy out there!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That is EXACTLY why I'm looking. I saw footage of it. This wasn't 'things got out of hand' or 'self defense'. He pulled it out, put a round into the driver (thankfully non-fatally) and then tucked it away and continued 'protesting'.

Prosecute and try them as terrorists, and hang them as terrorists, I say.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 02, 2020, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1137580
Well I dunno if anyone of you are actively shopping right now... but it's a DESERT for AR15's

I'm pretty much down to buying all the parts individually and having to put it all together myself... which isn't a bad thing per se because then I'll get exactly what I want. Currently looking at BCM lower and upper receivers. 16" chrome-lined (or teflon if I can find it) cold-hammered barrel with a 1:8 twist. I'll source triggers and such later. Still looking at bolt-carrier options and gas-systems.

Shotguns are drying up too. But I'm good in that department.

Greetings!

Oh yeah, my friend! BCM AR-15 is the one to get, brother! I got mine, bitch!:D

It's too bad you are down there in Texas, my friend! If you were up here, I'd take you to my local gun shop. They have a good supply chain, and have a regular and often-re-supply of BCM AR-15's. The model like mine--goes for $1400.00 US.

I just love my BCM AR-15 man. It's got this sweet target trigger, so the pull is smooth as butter! You've seen my rig. So nice. It's kind of weird thinking, fuck, I might need to use it to defend myself the way things are going. In the back of my mind though, I've always known that someday, the shit would hit the fan in this country, and who the fuck knows what will happen! It seems entirely wise to be a "prepper" now, doesn't it? I've always been armed, though now I'm arming the fuck up even more. Getting lots of ammunition, extra survival gear, MRE's. I have my bug-out bag ready. At a moment's notice, I can grab the bug-out bag and get on it. Weapons, ammunition, food, water, extra flashlights, batteries, some clothes, tools and gadgets, sleeping bag, all of it. Think about if this buggaloo thing really fires up. The power grid could be blown, and all kinds of crazy can be unleashed. And our wonderful government will just say, "sorry, we can't do anything". Remember when all the cock-sucking Liberals would mew about "Why do you *need* guns? The *authorities* will protect you!"

*LAUGHING* Oh geesus. Stupid, weak, brainwashed, cock-sucking morons!

What kind of scope do you want to get, Tenbones? The Talon Eagle is outstanding, man.

I also like having mine set up with a bipod, too. For that long-range precision!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on July 02, 2020, 12:01:07 PM
Just bought some ammo yesterday...prices are insane. Paid twice what I did last month for the same thing. I'm starting to think getting any more is gonna be hard very soon.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 02, 2020, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Brad;1137585
Just bought some ammo yesterday...prices are insane. Paid twice what I did last month for the same thing. I'm starting to think getting any more is gonna be hard very soon.

Greetings!

Hey Brad! Double the price from a month ago? Brad, what kind of ammunition are you buying? What state do you live in, my friend?

Hopefully you can get stocked up, man! You know how serious everything is getting. It is amazing, and hard to believe that our great republic seems to be unravelling right before our eyes, you know? Every incident, every burning riot, our police are paralyzed, our politicians support the screaming mob, while our cities burn, women are raped, and people are beaten and killed in the street.

I have several thousand rounds for my AR-15, and also for my Glock 45.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 02, 2020, 12:13:42 PM
Greetings!

I've seen some ads online for various kinds of new-fangled survival food. Allegedly better tasting and superior to MRE's. Anyone actually tried some of these new foods? If so, what do you think of them? MRE's are ok. Not great, of course, but they will keep you alive. MRE's can of course be consumed cold, right from the uber-thick rubber packaging. If you have a heat tab, and some salt and pepper, heating the MRE's up and adding just some basic seasoning makes them *considerably* better and more edible.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on July 02, 2020, 12:21:11 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1137588
Greetings!

Hey Brad! Double the price from a month ago? Brad, what kind of ammunition are you buying? What state do you live in, my friend?

Hopefully you can get stocked up, man! You know how serious everything is getting. It is amazing, and hard to believe that our great republic seems to be unravelling right before our eyes, you know? Every incident, every burning riot, our police are paralyzed, our politicians support the screaming mob, while our cities burn, women are raped, and people are beaten and killed in the street.

I have several thousand rounds for my AR-15, and also for my Glock 45.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

See PM, sir.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 02, 2020, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1137590
Greetings!

I've seen some ads online for various kinds of new-fangled survival food. Allegedly better tasting and superior to MRE's. Anyone actually tried some of these new foods? If so, what do you think of them? MRE's are ok. Not great, of course, but they will keep you alive. MRE's can of course be consumed cold, right from the uber-thick rubber packaging. If you have a heat tab, and some salt and pepper, heating the MRE's up and adding just some basic seasoning makes them *considerably* better and more edible.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hadn't seen anything like that.

I've been a fan of Steve1989's YT channel (he reviews military rations, both vintage and modern, from around the world) and I've sampled a number of MREs. The fact is that short of some kind of astonishing advancement in food storage, MREs are not going to be haute cuisine. There's only so much you can do with shelf-stabilized food.

Other countries do push the boundaries, though. There's a review of a French meal that has ostrich in cranberry sauce on Steve's channel. There's also a Canadian MRE that has poutine in it.

(Both the U.S. and Canada tried to make shelf-stable omelets. It didn't work at all -- and the U.S. vegetable omelet MRE is notorious among the military to boot)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: yancy on July 13, 2020, 05:50:05 AM
So, I'm more or less gunned up now, and ammo'd up. It was frustrating, and time intensive, and the really lame part was the part after I got the guns, where the internet is now pretty useless and expensive for providing ammunition (I suspect this was true before the 'uncertain times' too, I just didn't notice how bad it had gotten over the past 20 years or so).

So I got Ruger revolver, because I like wheelguns, and a Mossberg 590, because it was cheaper than Maverick 88's are right now, and I won't comment on the Mossberg too much, nor the ammo buying process (other than to say that Walmart still sells rifled slugs cheap) but I'm kind of stuck on getting a rifle. Twenty years ago, or ten, I'd have bought a Ruger Mini-14, or an AK, or an SKS, or something, but right now I'm staring at AR-15 knockoffs and .22 caliber rifles, and honestly, the .22's seem better.

Since if I want to buy anything other than a .22 or a hunting rifle, I'm likely to get stuck with some M16 ripoff, anybody got anything to say about the cheaper ones, or, what's a model that you can buy that won't be a piece of shit? Because they all look like pieces of shit to me, and the utility of owning one seems uncertain, and I'm not sure there's any point to buying a $500 piece of shit at this point.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 13, 2020, 06:33:37 AM
Quote from: yancy;1139439
So, I'm more or less gunned up now, and ammo'd up. It was frustrating, and time intensive, and the really lame part was the part after I got the guns, where the internet is now pretty useless and expensive for providing ammunition (I suspect this was true before the 'uncertain times' too, I just didn't notice how bad it had gotten over the past 20 years or so).

So I got Ruger revolver, because I like wheelguns, and a Mossberg 590, because it was cheaper than Maverick 88's are right now, and I won't comment on the Mossberg too much, nor the ammo buying process (other than to say that Walmart still sells rifled slugs cheap) but I'm kind of stuck on getting a rifle. Twenty years ago, or ten, I'd have bought a Ruger Mini-14, or an AK, or an SKS, or something, but right now I'm staring at AR-15 knockoffs and .22 caliber rifles, and honestly, the .22's seem better.

Since if I want to buy anything other than a .22 or a hunting rifle, I'm likely to get stuck with some M16 ripoff, anybody got anything to say about the cheaper ones, or, what's a model that you can buy that won't be a piece of shit? Because they all look like pieces of shit to me, and the utility of owning one seems uncertain, and I'm not sure there's any point to buying a $500 piece of shit at this point.

Greetings!

Hello, Yancy! Well, for an AR-15, I would recommend the BCM AR-15. 5.56mm Nato. Everyone I spoke with--several US military veterans, as well as military veterans who work at local gun stores, and several police officers--all had the highest praise for BCM AR-15's. (Bravo Company Manufacturing, started and owned by a US Marine veteran). I now own a BCM AR-15 as well. Go for the best, my friend. Don't settle for anything that is *cheap*. Your life, and the lives of your family and neighbors may soon depend on the quality and reliability of the weapons that you carry. You should be able to get an excellent BCM AR-15 for about $1400. You can of course spend more, as extra goodies and such will jack up your investment costs, but a basic price of $1400 for a BCM AR-15 seems to be consistent.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on July 13, 2020, 09:23:44 PM
Meh. I'm all in favor of cheap but reliable, wether it be guns or ammo or, well, most things really.  Despite my frequent harping on the need for fantasy and sci-fi games to have detailed equipment lists, rather than generic bland list-lists, in real life I realized, thanks in part to reading some Gun-Porn novels and practical experience, that most of that is bullshit.

Depending on your state you can get a Shockwave for about 450 bucks (that's an 'other gun' shotgun, neither a pistol nor a Stamp Tax 'short' Shotgun...). Don't get cute with the super-shorty 12ga ammo and it is almost literally the perfect home defense weapon.  My 44mag Mare's Leg I got as a 'fun' gun also cost about 400 bucks. Works fine and either of the two common Magnum calibers are absolute manstoppers. Sure, it can feed a bit rough, with the fancy pants nylon tip ammo, but it fires just fine. Cheap. Not, you know, that I recommend a lever gun in todays gun toting world for anything but 'for the hell of it'... or maybe as a bear gun in alaska (don't do the mare's leg, tho... they sell a 45-70, also for half that AR, or less, that will keep you well out of claw and tooth range, and will absolutely put down the bear and at least two or three trees behind it (seriously... the 45-70's penetration of walls beats every modern ammo I've seen tested... not a good home defense weapon unless you hate your neighbors...).

Its all about practical demands. Is the 6.5 Creedmore a ballistically superior round to the venerable .308?  Maybe. But are you trying to snipe taliban fighters from a mile away? No? Then why waste the money and face logistical challenges, when you can practically scoop .308 rounds up with a shovel in some parts of the country... and it will put holes in engine blocks, rioters and moose just as well, if not better.

That said: The AR platform is excellent in a massive number of practical situations (home defense is high on the list, and honestly, its not bad for hunting so long as you have the caliber for your food animal of choice...), and 1400, in todays market, isn't bad. I could beat that by a couple of c-note locally a few months ago, but honestly on my budget I haven't looked in the last six months.

Honestly: Gun debates are a lot like game debates.  If you like what you get, then who cares what the grognards say... and if you like arguing about minor points, then baby have I got a gun for you! *

Also: Longbow beats crossbow... fight me.




*FNFiveSeven...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Slipshot762 on July 14, 2020, 02:06:57 AM
Quote from: Spike;1139605
Meh. I'm all in favor of cheap but reliable, wether it be guns or ammo or, well, most things really.  Despite my frequent harping on the need for fantasy and sci-fi games to have detailed equipment lists, rather than generic bland list-lists, in real life I realized, thanks in part to reading some Gun-Porn novels and practical experience, that most of that is bullshit.

Depending on your state you can get a Shockwave for about 450 bucks (that's an 'other gun' shotgun, neither a pistol nor a Stamp Tax 'short' Shotgun...). Don't get cute with the super-shorty 12ga ammo and it is almost literally the perfect home defense weapon.  My 44mag Mare's Leg I got as a 'fun' gun also cost about 400 bucks. Works fine and either of the two common Magnum calibers are absolute manstoppers. Sure, it can feed a bit rough, with the fancy pants nylon tip ammo, but it fires just fine. Cheap. Not, you know, that I recommend a lever gun in todays gun toting world for anything but 'for the hell of it'... or maybe as a bear gun in alaska (don't do the mare's leg, tho... they sell a 45-70, also for half that AR, or less, that will keep you well out of claw and tooth range, and will absolutely put down the bear and at least two or three trees behind it (seriously... the 45-70's penetration of walls beats every modern ammo I've seen tested... not a good home defense weapon unless you hate your neighbors...).

Its all about practical demands. Is the 6.5 Creedmore a ballistically superior round to the venerable .308?  Maybe. But are you trying to snipe taliban fighters from a mile away? No? Then why waste the money and face logistical challenges, when you can practically scoop .308 rounds up with a shovel in some parts of the country... and it will put holes in engine blocks, rioters and moose just as well, if not better.

That said: The AR platform is excellent in a massive number of practical situations (home defense is high on the list, and honestly, its not bad for hunting so long as you have the caliber for your food animal of choice...), and 1400, in todays market, isn't bad. I could beat that by a couple of c-note locally a few months ago, but honestly on my budget I haven't looked in the last six months.

Honestly: Gun debates are a lot like game debates.  If you like what you get, then who cares what the grognards say... and if you like arguing about minor points, then baby have I got a gun for you! *

Also: Longbow beats crossbow... fight me.




*FNFiveSeven...

Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on July 14, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Yes, I fully admit that I was pulling a bit of a snow job when I posted about Longbow vs Crossbow. In my arrogance I thought that only I knew that some whacky German (And really, they are all wacky. Have you seen them march?) had settled the question once and for all with his Longcrossbow.

I denounce myself, and for penance I shall go back and rewatch his video where he launches cannonballs through a car with a rubber band.  That'll learn me.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on July 19, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
My first time trying a rifle of any kind. This is a muzzleloader Plains rifle (Hawken style) :)

Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 20, 2020, 06:54:02 PM
Quote from: Trond;1140700
My first time trying a rifle of any kind. This is a muzzleloader Plains rifle (Hawken style) :)


Greetings!

That's awesome, Trond! How did you like it? Did you have a good time at the range? Does your wife like shooting guns too?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on July 20, 2020, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1140883
Greetings!

That's awesome, Trond! How did you like it? Did you have a good time at the range? Does your wife like shooting guns too?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I thought it was great. Maybe a new hobby. My wife just wants to learn using a pistol in case she needs it for self-defense, but she's not into it in any other way.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 20, 2020, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Trond;1140892
I thought it was great. Maybe a new hobby. My wife just wants to learn using a pistol in case she needs it for self-defense, but she's not into it in any other way.

Greetings!

Good to hear, my friend! Get you a good modern rifle as well, besides the older rifle, and also several pistols. I prefer the Glock 45 pistol myself. I understand Kimber also makes a good 45 pistol as well. Whatever you choose though, GET ON IT! And arm up with lots of ammunition, too!

Then, try and get to the range every couple of weeks, honing your marksmanship skills. Watch some good gun videos, and also review safety procedures, and practice cleaning your weapons, and getting to "Know them".

It is a great hobby, my friend! It's also an excellent and noble duty to be an armed American citizen, confident and skilled with your weapons.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Mercurius on July 22, 2020, 04:58:41 PM
I think small wieners are a factor.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 22, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Mercurius;1141281
I think small wieners are a factor.

Greetings!

Hello my friend! small wieners are a factor--in what, Mercurius?

What kind of hand gun are you thinking of getting, Mercurius?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 23, 2020, 09:02:51 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1141286
Greetings!

Hello my friend! small wieners are a factor--in what, Mercurius?

What kind of hand gun are you thinking of getting, Mercurius?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You know how it is, Shark. Some people just obsess over penis size. It's a fascination with them.

Of course, getting back on track, FINDING a gun and ammo is getting a little dicey. We're talking places totally cleaned out, and not by looters or thieves but people buying whatever they can get.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on July 23, 2020, 09:12:54 AM
Quote from: Mercurius;1141281
I think small wieners are a factor.

"Look at me! I'm morally superior because I don't like firearms! Anyone who has a gun is compensating for a small penis! MORALLY SUPERIOR I SAID!"
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on July 23, 2020, 09:26:58 AM
Quote from: Brad;1141389
"Look at me! I'm morally superior because I don't like firearms! Anyone who has a gun is compensating for a small penis! MORALLY SUPERIOR I SAID!"

The late Jeff Cooper used the perfect term: hoplophobia. The fear of weapons.

Add to that projection - accusing gun owners of having a small penis because the accuser does, and the accuser fears that other men may have a larger penis.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on July 23, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Mercurius;1141281
I think small wieners are a factor.


LOL. There ain't just magnums in that cylinder. I got some in my wallet.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Steven Mitchell on July 23, 2020, 11:18:56 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1141402
LOL. There ain't just magnums in that cylinder. I got some in my wallet.


Doesn't matter what caliber you have if you can't hit anything with it.  

(Edit:  Extending your remark, not contradicting it, for the humor impaired lurkers that may be playing along.)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on July 23, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1141394
The late Jeff Cooper used the perfect term: hoplophobia. The fear of weapons.

Add to that projection - accusing gun owners of having a small penis because the accuser does, and the accuser fears that other men may have a larger penis.


At first, I was skeptical of the "projection" narrative when people talked politics. But I have been surprised at how many times it turns out to be correct.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 23, 2020, 04:40:28 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1141394
The late Jeff Cooper used the perfect term: hoplophobia. The fear of weapons.

Add to that projection - accusing gun owners of having a small penis because the accuser does, and the accuser fears that other men may have a larger penis.

Greetings!

RandyB!:D Yes, the great Jeff Cooper! I used to read his column regularly for years up to his passing. Such a great man, and a great patriot!

Fucking Hoplophobia is right! All these cowardly fucking women, and small cocked feminized soy boys. Oh, we can't have guns! "Guns are evil! REEEEE!!"

I know this fine woman at my local Sportsman's Warehouse. She's been fantastic helping me get ammunition, and other supplies. This girl has *18* rifles at home, and a big collection of handguns, too. Girl is a veteran, as well as her husband. She is FIERCE! I told her, "Damn, girl. Too bad all women in America are not more like you! We need more strong men and strong women--PATRIOTS--not weak fucking cowards and traitors!" My buddy who was with me--we laughed when she told us, "Well, you don't wanna know what I would do with these mobs! I guarantee you it wouldn't be pretty, and it wouldn't be nice!"

I miss Jeff Cooper though. Our country is full of these sobbing Hoplophobes!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on July 23, 2020, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1141404
Doesn't matter what caliber you have if you can't hit anything with it.  

(Edit:  Extending your remark, not contradicting it, for the humor impaired lurkers that may be playing along.)

I will put my children up as evidence that I do not shoot blanks. I will make no comments about any bastards I have sired by using suppressive fire liberally.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 23, 2020, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: Brad;1141389
"Look at me! I'm morally superior because I don't like firearms! Anyone who has a gun is compensating for a small penis! MORALLY SUPERIOR I SAID!"

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*

So funny, Brad!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 23, 2020, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141384
You know how it is, Shark. Some people just obsess over penis size. It's a fascination with them.

Of course, getting back on track, FINDING a gun and ammo is getting a little dicey. We're talking places totally cleaned out, and not by looters or thieves but people buying whatever they can get.


Greetings!

Nice, Ghostmaker! Where abouts do you live Ghostmaker? How many gun stores are near you?

These stores are *still* cleared out? Most of mine have been periodically empty--and then they get new shipments in, so the supply has been fairly good, for both weapons and ammunition. They are definitely doing record levels of business!

I see lots of people going in and coming out armed up! Men, women, young and old. Buying pistols, rifles, shotguns, stocking up on ammunition, fucking everything! I have especially enjoyed seeing fathers bringing their teenage or young daughters in and getting guns! Or an older wife coming with her husband to get a new weapon. I saw this one couple, older, with a bit of silver hair. The wife just got a 45 I think, maybe it was a 9mm. Her and her husband went into the indoor range, and as I was going back to my station with my BCM AR-15, I saw her put some ears on, and she started blazing down range with her weapon. Smiling and having a great time together.

Good stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on July 23, 2020, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1141465
I will put my children up as evidence that I do not shoot blanks. I will make no comments about any bastards I have sired by using suppressive fire liberally.


Not gonna say it...Not gonna say it...Oh the hell with it.

Spray and pray?!?!  :p

*ducks*
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 24, 2020, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1141473
Greetings!

Nice, Ghostmaker! Where abouts do you live Ghostmaker? How many gun stores are near you?

These stores are *still* cleared out? Most of mine have been periodically empty--and then they get new shipments in, so the supply has been fairly good, for both weapons and ammunition. They are definitely doing record levels of business!

I see lots of people going in and coming out armed up! Men, women, young and old. Buying pistols, rifles, shotguns, stocking up on ammunition, fucking everything! I have especially enjoyed seeing fathers bringing their teenage or young daughters in and getting guns! Or an older wife coming with her husband to get a new weapon. I saw this one couple, older, with a bit of silver hair. The wife just got a 45 I think, maybe it was a 9mm. Her and her husband went into the indoor range, and as I was going back to my station with my BCM AR-15, I saw her put some ears on, and she started blazing down range with her weapon. Smiling and having a great time together.

Good stuff!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hmm. I think we're all friends here, so I'll say 'Alabama'. That's good enough.

There are several flavors of gun store around here, plus of course online ordering (thank God for the Internet). Both myself and my father (no pansy either) have had some issues getting ammo. Like, going to our preferred website and finding out they're not even taking orders because they're backlogged so badly.

But yeah. Everyone's buying. Gun safety classes and range training classes are filling up. I'm horribly tempted to suggest to our company CEO that we should branch out into either firearms or ammo manufacture, even if I get yelled at. I mean, jeez, it looks like quite a bit of demand out there. :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on July 24, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: moonsweeper;1141478
Not gonna say it...Not gonna say it...Oh the hell with it.

Spray and pray?!?!  :p

*ducks*


Oh there was no praying involved. That would have been *really* awkward.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: oggsmash on July 24, 2020, 11:13:36 AM
I know at most stores I have gone, it is shot gun shells and maybe .22, and not much else.  Another odd thing....I can not find a canoe for sale at ANY retail store I have visited, even online and even places states away that specialize in water craft.  I find that strange.  The Cabela's I visit from time to time ALWAYS had a range of canoes and kayaks, now, nothing, not one.  Oddly they also seemed to have reduced their archery selection a bit, and GREATLY reduced their selection of air rifles and pellets they sell.  That seems odd to me because the items they did have seemed to move well in the past. The layout of their firearms section is quite different too now. Is this a Bass Pro Shops buy out issue?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Spike on July 26, 2020, 03:36:32 PM
That may be on account of all the tragic canoeing accidents going around among gun owners.... much like the one I tragically had just the other day, where I lost all those guns I mentioned earlier in the bottom of a river.

Tragic.

And now I need a new Canoe. And new guns.

If only I could stop having these canoe accidents.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on July 26, 2020, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141575
Hmm. I think we're all friends here, so I'll say 'Alabama'. That's good enough.

There are several flavors of gun store around here, plus of course online ordering (thank God for the Internet). Both myself and my father (no pansy either) have had some issues getting ammo. Like, going to our preferred website and finding out they're not even taking orders because they're backlogged so badly.

But yeah. Everyone's buying. Gun safety classes and range training classes are filling up. I'm horribly tempted to suggest to our company CEO that we should branch out into either firearms or ammo manufacture, even if I get yelled at. I mean, jeez, it looks like quite a bit of demand out there. :D

Greetings!

Alabama! OOH RAH!

Well, it sounds like you have a decent selection of gun shops, Ghostmaker. Do you have an AR-15?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on July 27, 2020, 08:13:14 AM
12 gauge shotgun, AR-15, 9mm pistol, .22LR pistol.

The Precision Mk3 is a neat plinking pistol, but all the stories you've heard about disassembly/reassembly? They're ALL TRUE. Holy BALLS is this thing a bitch to put back together.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 03, 2020, 10:34:12 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141943
12 gauge shotgun, AR-15, 9mm pistol, .22LR pistol.

The Precision Mk3 is a neat plinking pistol, but all the stories you've heard about disassembly/reassembly? They're ALL TRUE. Holy BALLS is this thing a bitch to put back together.

Greetings!

SWEET, Ghostmaker! What model of AR-15? How's your 9mm? Is your 9mm an older version, or a new one? I've heard that the 9mm ballistics have been improved from 10 years ago or so.

I also talked with three of my neighbors--all of them have been arming the fuck up, too! Rifles, shotguns, pistols, ammunition, for them, their wives. All getting prepared!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 05, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1143130
Greetings!

SWEET, Ghostmaker! What model of AR-15? How's your 9mm? Is your 9mm an older version, or a new one? I've heard that the 9mm ballistics have been improved from 10 years ago or so.

I also talked with three of my neighbors--all of them have been arming the fuck up, too! Rifles, shotguns, pistols, ammunition, for them, their wives. All getting prepared!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

AR-15 is a Smith and Wesson M&P Sport. Not exactly tricked out but it shoots straight. 9mm is a Ruger P89, bulky but effective.

Ten years of ballistic research have narrowed the gap considerably on 9mm vs .45, though it probably doesn't hurt to use hollow points in your 9mm if you think you need to pot someone. I keep thinking about getting a revolver just for kicks, but haven't seen one I liked yet aside from the Chiappa Rhino and those are -expensive-.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 07, 2020, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1143412
AR-15 is a Smith and Wesson M&P Sport. Not exactly tricked out but it shoots straight. 9mm is a Ruger P89, bulky but effective.

Ten years of ballistic research have narrowed the gap considerably on 9mm vs .45, though it probably doesn't hurt to use hollow points in your 9mm if you think you need to pot someone. I keep thinking about getting a revolver just for kicks, but haven't seen one I liked yet aside from the Chiappa Rhino and those are -expensive-.

Greetings!

Nice, my friend! Ruger makes some good weapons, too! Smith and Wesson M&P Sport AR-15? Show us some pics of it, man!

Chiappa Rhino? Geesus. That sounds fucking awesome though!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 10, 2020, 06:23:37 PM
Yeah those Chiappa Rhinos are *gorgeous*. I'd even roll the blinged out Gold one

Ever since I heard about it from Demolition Ranch  (https://youtu.be/YPnFvtP7k70)I've wanted one. But it's WAAAAY on the backburner. I have some other armaments to build/acquire.

... like this Fostech Origin 12...

https://youtu.be/qnrsvUanLfU

Oh lordy, I can get my party on with that.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 12, 2020, 06:23:16 PM
Greetings!

Who here likes going hunting?

What kinds of animals do you usually hunt? What weapons do you like using hunting these animals?

Do you like preparing and cooking these animals with favourite recipes?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on August 12, 2020, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1144594
Greetings!

Who here likes going hunting?

What kinds of animals do you usually hunt? What weapons do you like using hunting these animals?

Do you like preparing and cooking these animals with favourite recipes?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'd like to hunt, but I've never had the opportunity.

I make a decent venison chili, though. Stew meat, not ground, and a good dark beer instead of water.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 12, 2020, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: RandyB;1144622
I'd like to hunt, but I've never had the opportunity.

I make a decent venison chili, though. Stew meat, not ground, and a good dark beer instead of water.

Greetings!

Well, son of a bitch! Venison Chili sounds awesome, my friend! Dark beer instead of water, that's right! Hmmm...get some fresh biscuits to go with that, melted butter. Some sweet corn. That's right!

Hunting season is coming up, RandyB!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: blackstone on August 13, 2020, 08:33:22 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1144622
I'd like to hunt, but I've never had the opportunity.

I make a decent venison chili, though. Stew meat, not ground, and a good dark beer instead of water.

Same with me: never had an opportunity to go hunting, but I'd LOVE to go.

They've past a law here in Ohio a few years ago where you can hunt with a regular rifle as long as the rifle is in a pistol caliber. That opens up alot of options here. I'm looking at getting a lever action in .357 Magnum for that exact reason. It's a large enough caliber to take down a deer, and I can shoot both .357 Magnum or .38 Special through it.

Oh and the chili? Hell YES! Pro tip: throw in a little chocolate (like a half a bar of Hershey's) and WOW. amazing. I learned that from my other girlfriend Rachel Rey ;)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1144594
Greetings!

Who here likes going hunting?

What kinds of animals do you usually hunt? What weapons do you like using hunting these animals?

Do you like preparing and cooking these animals with favourite recipes?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I lack the patience for anything but dove hunting. You can't put me in a stand and make me sit there for hours; I'll get bored and go to sleep. Or stick my nose in a book, at which point I might as WELL be asleep.

I don't have anything AGAINST hunting (though I tend to side-eye trophy or sport hunting a little sharply; however, there's nuances even in that). More than happy to cheer on a hunter who bags himself a big ol' buck.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on August 13, 2020, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: blackstone;1144675
Same with me: never had an opportunity to go hunting, but I'd LOVE to go.

They've past a law here in Ohio a few years ago where you can hunt with a regular rifle as long as the rifle is in a pistol caliber. That opens up alot of options here. I'm looking at getting a lever action in .357 Magnum for that exact reason. It's a large enough caliber to take down a deer, and I can shoot both .357 Magnum or .38 Special through it.

Oh and the chili? Hell YES! Pro tip: throw in a little chocolate (like a half a bar of Hershey's) and WOW. amazing. I learned that from my other girlfriend Rachel Rey ;)

Or some cocoa powder. Always meant to try that trick. Thanks for the reminder!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on August 13, 2020, 09:39:10 AM
Quote from: blackstone;1144675
Same with me: never had an opportunity to go hunting, but I'd LOVE to go.

They've past a law here in Ohio a few years ago where you can hunt with a regular rifle as long as the rifle is in a pistol caliber. That opens up alot of options here. I'm looking at getting a lever action in .357 Magnum for that exact reason. It's a large enough caliber to take down a deer, and I can shoot both .357 Magnum or .38 Special through it.

Oh and the chili? Hell YES! Pro tip: throw in a little chocolate (like a half a bar of Hershey's) and WOW. amazing. I learned that from my other girlfriend Rachel Rey ;)

I haven't hunted in years (since I lived in Indiana) but have been looking at lever actions because of the law.  I haven't decide between .44 or .357 yet.  I have a Smith wheelgun in .357 so that is a positive. On the other hand, if I get the .44 I can justify buying a new revolver to go with it.  Just a heads up on the .38 Specials.  I was looking at a Henry and apparently people have had feed issues with some of the lighter .38s (something to do with overall bullet length seems to be the consensus) Don't know if that applies to other manufacturers or not, but hey FYI.

Quote from: RandyB;1144680
Or some cocoa powder. Always meant to try that trick. Thanks for the reminder!

I do think cocoa powder works better than chocolate bars for venison chili, but that's just my opinion.


On a side note about the ammo shortage.
A chain sporting goods store in town got in some 5.56mm 62 grain green tips yesterday. (How it showed up there, I have no idea...)
They priced them out at $9 a box.  :eek:

...and would you believe some inconsiderate, greedy bastard bought all 760 rounds they received in. :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on August 13, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1144594
Greetings!

Who here likes going hunting?

What kinds of animals do you usually hunt? What weapons do you like using hunting these animals?

Do you like preparing and cooking these animals with favourite recipes?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'll hunt hog, dove, rabbit, squirrel...mostly anything that can qualify as vermin. I don't particularly like dove, but I'll eat it. Wild hog prepared properly is about the best meat in the universe, honestly. Rabbits and squirrels I just use a .22, don't eat them but sometimes I'll use their pelts. I shot a rabbit with my .44 once and it was...messy, to say the least.

Last hog I shot was around a 400 pounder, huge bastard. Got him behind the ear @ 100 yards with a .223; dropped him like a rock. Got almost 150 pounds of processed meat out of him, gave it to the food bank except for about 20 pounds of the best stuff, my aunt made some stew with it and it was awesome.

Not really interested in deer hunting, honestly. I'm in the process of buying some land that has zero restrictions and there are a ton of sika that might change my mind on the subject.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: blackstone on August 13, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: Brad;1144698
I'll hunt hog, dove, rabbit, squirrel...mostly anything that can qualify as vermin. I don't particularly like dove, but I'll eat it. Wild hog prepared properly is about the best meat in the universe, honestly. Rabbits and squirrels I just use a .22, don't eat them but sometimes I'll use their pelts. I shot a rabbit with my .44 once and it was...messy, to say the least.

Last hog I shot was around a 400 pounder, huge bastard. Got him behind the ear @ 100 yards with a .223; dropped him like a rock. Got almost 150 pounds of processed meat out of him, gave it to the food bank except for about 20 pounds of the best stuff, my aunt made some stew with it and it was awesome.

Not really interested in deer hunting, honestly. I'm in the process of buying some land that has zero restrictions and there are a ton of sika that might change my mind on the subject.

Apparently here in Ohio, you have no restrictions on coyote and wild pig hunting year round. Both populations are out of control.

I'll put down a coyote no problem. Same with wild pig. I'll eat the latter.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2020, 01:59:10 PM
Quote from: Brad;1144698
I'll hunt hog, dove, rabbit, squirrel...mostly anything that can qualify as vermin. I don't particularly like dove, but I'll eat it. Wild hog prepared properly is about the best meat in the universe, honestly. Rabbits and squirrels I just use a .22, don't eat them but sometimes I'll use their pelts. I shot a rabbit with my .44 once and it was...messy, to say the least.

Last hog I shot was around a 400 pounder, huge bastard. Got him behind the ear @ 100 yards with a .223; dropped him like a rock. Got almost 150 pounds of processed meat out of him, gave it to the food bank except for about 20 pounds of the best stuff, my aunt made some stew with it and it was awesome.

Not really interested in deer hunting, honestly. I'm in the process of buying some land that has zero restrictions and there are a ton of sika that might change my mind on the subject.

Excellent shooting! I've heard stories about feral hogs being notoriously hard to kill, including being able to no-sell pistol rounds. Thankfully, a rifle round usually has much more sand in its pockets (to quote an old friend).
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 13, 2020, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1144594
Greetings!

Who here likes going hunting?

What kinds of animals do you usually hunt? What weapons do you like using hunting these animals?

Do you like preparing and cooking these animals with favourite recipes?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'm actually planning on starting to hunt boar, probably next year, as a regular practice.

I've decided to to bone up on rusty skills, and learn skills that I don't possess. I grew up hunting and fishing with my father - because we was Force Recon and made it mandatory. But I've let those skills go fallow. I've decided with recent events and my plans for the future it's time to get back to some basics. Especially since I have the resources to pursue these things.

It's a great incentive for me to get into shape, and start hunting boar and wild pig out here, where it's a problem. They're starting to impact the aquifer and cause billions of dollars in damage so it helps local landowners. Plus... I love pork. Hard to see the downside.

I plan on using an AR10 chambered for 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm going to build it myself. But I'll have a couple of AR15's (in different configurations) for backup.

When I was growing up - I used to hunt deer and elk with my father and brother. I used a lever-action .308 Henry Ranger (wish I still had it). But it's been literally decades since I've hunted. Given the circumstances, of my dietary needs (I eat high fat/protein low-carb), my penchant for wanting to be more self-sufficient, and my love of learning new things, it's really a convergence of several powerful motivators for me.

Couple of friends out here have land where they hunt, so I plan on relearning everything. I'm also planning on getting a couple of freezer units to store meat (and it's another excuse for me to get a new Traeger grill... heh). There's lots to prepare for between now and then, but it's all high-priority for me.

Cooking: I love to cook. It's another skill I've developed and come to enjoy very much. I've field-dressed deer (and other animals I've hunted) but never boar. But I'm not squeamish, so I'm not worried about it. I'm definitely looking forward to cooking the shit out of them. And likely I'll feed as many of my friends on game-night as I can. heh (see "game night snacks" are higher grade at my table. It'll be whiskey, pork-ribs, beer, for us!)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 13, 2020, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Brad;1144698
I'll hunt hog, dove, rabbit, squirrel...mostly anything that can qualify as vermin. I don't particularly like dove, but I'll eat it. Wild hog prepared properly is about the best meat in the universe, honestly. Rabbits and squirrels I just use a .22, don't eat them but sometimes I'll use their pelts. I shot a rabbit with my .44 once and it was...messy, to say the least.

Last hog I shot was around a 400 pounder, huge bastard. Got him behind the ear @ 100 yards with a .223; dropped him like a rock. Got almost 150 pounds of processed meat out of him, gave it to the food bank except for about 20 pounds of the best stuff, my aunt made some stew with it and it was awesome.

Not really interested in deer hunting, honestly. I'm in the process of buying some land that has zero restrictions and there are a ton of sika that might change my mind on the subject.

Yeah my wife and I are talking about buying a whole buncha land out here, time to get away from the city for obvious reasons. If it happens - I plan on being able to fish and hunt, and if I can go out on weekends and bag a few boar routinely (400lbs?!?!? lord... it makes my mouth water) then I'll be happy.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on August 13, 2020, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: blackstone;1144700
Apparently here in Ohio, you have no restrictions on coyote and wild pig hunting year round. Both populations are out of control.

I'll put down a coyote no problem. Same with wild pig. I'll eat the latter.


Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144732
Excellent shooting! I've heard stories about feral hogs being notoriously hard to kill, including being able to no-sell pistol rounds. Thankfully, a rifle round usually has much more sand in its pockets (to quote an old friend).


Quote from: tenbones;1144742
Yeah my wife and I are talking about buying a whole buncha land out here, time to get away from the city for obvious reasons. If it happens - I plan on being able to fish and hunt, and if I can go out on weekends and bag a few boar routinely (400lbs?!?!? lord... it makes my mouth water) then I'll be happy.


Glad to see feral hog hunting has its fans...a 62 grain .223 will kill anything with proper shot placement. So will a .22LR for that matter, but I'd prefer centerfire for anything over 50 pounds or so. However, my buddy has a .17 HMR that goes in super clean (could barely see the entry wound on a deer) and comes out the backside like it was a .45ACP. Giant exit wound. He has taken 150+ pound bucks with it, nice rifle.

Also, September last year Texas made feral hog hunting legal without a license, so shoot them to your heart's content. They cause so much damage and aren't native, but taste absolutely delicious. Win-win for everyone.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 13, 2020, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: Brad;1144758
Glad to see feral hog hunting has its fans...a 62 grain .223 will kill anything with proper shot placement. So will a .22LR for that matter, but I'd prefer centerfire for anything over 50 pounds or so. However, my buddy has a .17 HMR that goes in super clean (could barely see the entry wound on a deer) and comes out the backside like it was a .45ACP. Giant exit wound. He has taken 150+ pound bucks with it, nice rifle.

Also, September last year Texas made feral hog hunting legal without a license, so shoot them to your heart's content. They cause so much damage and aren't native, but taste absolutely delicious. Win-win for everyone.

Greetings!

Damn, Brad! I'm jealous my friend! All that good boar you get to hunt!:D

Up here in Idaho, we don't have wild boars, unfortunately.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 13, 2020, 11:28:46 PM
Greetings!

Tucker Carlson reveals Kamala Harris's ideal policies on the 2nd Amendment. Kamala will forcibly confiscate weapons from American citizens through "Mandatory Gun buybacks."

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 14, 2020, 07:48:32 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1144805
Greetings!

Tucker Carlson reveals Kamala Harris's ideal policies on the 2nd Amendment. Kamala will forcibly confiscate weapons from American citizens through "Mandatory Gun buybacks."

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


As usual, leftists lie. It's what they do.

It's not a 'buyback' if it's mandatory. It's confiscation. Offering a pittance in recompense doesn't help.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on August 14, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1144839
As usual, leftists lie. It's what they do.

It's not a 'buyback' if it's mandatory. It's confiscation. Offering a pittance in recompense doesn't help.

You notice how the current goings on in Melbourne are getting zero MSM coverage here in the States...

I don't suppose that has anything to do with the general populace finding out what happens after confiscation.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 14, 2020, 10:53:07 AM
Honestly, there is nothing that Kamala or any other politician, can do that will disarm me.

They'll just make me and a whole lot of other people become scofflaws. And being in TX... among other places, enforcing such edicts isn't going to go easy or well.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: shuddemell on August 14, 2020, 11:48:58 AM
Quote from: Brad;1144758
Glad to see feral hog hunting has its fans...a 62 grain .223 will kill anything with proper shot placement. So will a .22LR for that matter, but I'd prefer centerfire for anything over 50 pounds or so. However, my buddy has a .17 HMR that goes in super clean (could barely see the entry wound on a deer) and comes out the backside like it was a .45ACP. Giant exit wound. He has taken 150+ pound bucks with it, nice rifle.

Also, September last year Texas made feral hog hunting legal without a license, so shoot them to your heart's content. They cause so much damage and aren't native, but taste absolutely delicious. Win-win for everyone.


Even so, if you are going to hunt those vicious pigs, I'd pick something a little more robust than 223... I'll stick with my Henry Big Boy, chambered in 45-70 Government. They are all over Oklahoma and are a bane to farmers here, especially Pecan farmers...
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 14, 2020, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: shuddemell;1144872
Even so, if you are going to hunt those vicious pigs, I'd pick something a little more robust than 223... I'll stick with my Henry Big Boy, chambered in 45-70 Government. They are all over Oklahoma and are a bane to farmers here, especially Pecan farmers...

I agree. I know I could perfectly well go after a boar with a .223 and why would I use a .223 when I could use a 5.56? (and before anyone chimes in and says "they're the same thing!" -no they're not.) There are certainly advantages to hunting with an AR15 - it's much lighter being the big one.

But my thoughts are simple, boar, big ones, are dangerous and tough. I want to make sure I kill as cleanly and humanely as possible and do so as safely as possible. So my thoughts are the new sexy 6.5 Creedmoor is going to be perfect. Bigger and heavier with superb ballistics it certainly seems to be the right tool for the job.

But we'll put it to the test.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: shuddemell on August 14, 2020, 06:18:24 PM
Solid choice. It's an excellent round by all accounts.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Toadmaster on August 15, 2020, 03:58:09 PM
Missed this earlier, but just read the entire thread.


Surprised that there was no mention of our minor victory in the People's Republic of California.

https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069 (https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069)



I am always a little baffled about these runs on guns and ammo. Seems like poor planning to wait until you see an imminent need to buy guns and ammo. I don't expect everyone to have a stockpile like that scene in the matrix but I've been adequately set up with modern firearms for several decades, and always keep a few hundred rounds for each on hand. While others fret about finding 9mm and ARs I've decided this is a good time to get into black powder. Just picked up one of those DIY kits for a Colt 1851 percussion revolver (really it is just a finish it yourself kit, it is fully functional out of the box just rough finished). Nice thing is since nobody has any respect for percussion guns, there are practically no hoops to go through (except for poor New Jersey). If we are all running around with mohawks and leather chaps in 10 years the way some seem to fear (or in some cases is seems, hope), percussion firearms are going to be the way to go once the ammo dries up.  

Just before Corona hit I finally got off my ass and got everything needed to start reloading which was a bit of good timing. Haven't got a bench set up yet, but I'm getting there.


As far as the age old 9mm or .45 there is a right answer. .357 Magnum. :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 16, 2020, 12:16:17 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1145021
Missed this earlier, but just read the entire thread.


Surprised that there was no mention of our minor victory in the People's Republic of California.

https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069 (https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069)



I am always a little baffled about these runs on guns and ammo. Seems like poor planning to wait until you see an imminent need to buy guns and ammo. I don't expect everyone to have a stockpile like that scene in the matrix but I've been adequately set up with modern firearms for several decades, and always keep a few hundred rounds for each on hand. While others fret about finding 9mm and ARs I've decided this is a good time to get into black powder. Just picked up one of those DIY kits for a Colt 1851 percussion revolver (really it is just a finish it yourself kit, it is fully functional out of the box just rough finished). Nice thing is since nobody has any respect for percussion guns, there are practically no hoops to go through (except for poor New Jersey). If we are all running around with mohawks and leather chaps in 10 years the way some seem to fear (or in some cases is seems, hope), percussion firearms are going to be the way to go once the ammo dries up.  

Just before Corona hit I finally got off my ass and got everything needed to start reloading which was a bit of good timing. Haven't got a bench set up yet, but I'm getting there.


As far as the age old 9mm or .45 there is a right answer. .357 Magnum. :D

As victories go, it's thin. California will most certainly appeal to have the case heard by the whole 9th Circus, which is unlikely to sustain the ruling. Which dumps it on SCOTUS, who will not take the case because the conservative judges haven't got the grip on Roberts that the left does.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 16, 2020, 04:11:57 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1145021
Missed this earlier, but just read the entire thread.


Surprised that there was no mention of our minor victory in the People's Republic of California.

https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069 (https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069)



I am always a little baffled about these runs on guns and ammo. Seems like poor planning to wait until you see an imminent need to buy guns and ammo. I don't expect everyone to have a stockpile like that scene in the matrix but I've been adequately set up with modern firearms for several decades, and always keep a few hundred rounds for each on hand. While others fret about finding 9mm and ARs I've decided this is a good time to get into black powder. Just picked up one of those DIY kits for a Colt 1851 percussion revolver (really it is just a finish it yourself kit, it is fully functional out of the box just rough finished). Nice thing is since nobody has any respect for percussion guns, there are practically no hoops to go through (except for poor New Jersey). If we are all running around with mohawks and leather chaps in 10 years the way some seem to fear (or in some cases is seems, hope), percussion firearms are going to be the way to go once the ammo dries up.  

Just before Corona hit I finally got off my ass and got everything needed to start reloading which was a bit of good timing. Haven't got a bench set up yet, but I'm getting there.


As far as the age old 9mm or .45 there is a right answer. .357 Magnum. :D

Greetings!

Hi Toad! Colt 1851 revolver? SWEET! That's awesome! I have fired a few black powder weapons in the past--very fun! How much does the gear and powder for that all cost?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 16, 2020, 04:14:33 AM
Greetings!

I was recently looking through some comparisons of Etools and Special Forces Axes, by Cold Steel. Anyone have any particular favourites for a wilderness shovel and axe?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 16, 2020, 04:28:16 AM
Quote from: Toadmaster;1145021
Missed this earlier, but just read the entire thread.


Surprised that there was no mention of our minor victory in the People's Republic of California.

https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069 (https://apnews.com/11a1e49886a3143f2db3fbf5b10c5069)



I am always a little baffled about these runs on guns and ammo. Seems like poor planning to wait until you see an imminent need to buy guns and ammo. I don't expect everyone to have a stockpile like that scene in the matrix but I've been adequately set up with modern firearms for several decades, and always keep a few hundred rounds for each on hand. While others fret about finding 9mm and ARs I've decided this is a good time to get into black powder. Just picked up one of those DIY kits for a Colt 1851 percussion revolver (really it is just a finish it yourself kit, it is fully functional out of the box just rough finished). Nice thing is since nobody has any respect for percussion guns, there are practically no hoops to go through (except for poor New Jersey). If we are all running around with mohawks and leather chaps in 10 years the way some seem to fear (or in some cases is seems, hope), percussion firearms are going to be the way to go once the ammo dries up.  

Just before Corona hit I finally got off my ass and got everything needed to start reloading which was a bit of good timing. Haven't got a bench set up yet, but I'm getting there.


As far as the age old 9mm or .45 there is a right answer. .357 Magnum. :D

Greetings!

You know, I have spent many years living in California, before moving to Idaho. I am always encouraged by every little pro-gun victory, so I hope that it generates more in California. Over the years, however, as California became more anti-gun and anti-Constitutional, it just gets exhausting. California politicians routinely violate the Constitution and peoples rights, and nothing ever changes. Guns outlawed, ammunition restricted, more and more background checks, waiting periods, fees, and bureaucracy.

I have had enough. It is so refreshing living in a state that actually embraces the Constitution, and doesn't assume *I* am a criminal. Here in Idaho, virtually everything is legal, with none of the bullshit fucking Communism from California. My weapons don't have to have bullshit modifications to please the Marxist tyrants in California. No waiting periods, no ammunition restrictions, all kinds of legal firearms are available. *AND* I don't need permission to open carry weapons, or even conceal carry. I'm *assumed* to be a law-abiding, responsible citizen. I don't need to beg or justify to anyone why I want weapons, of whatever kind. It's so awesome enjoying *true* freedom!

I hope you are ok there, Toad, and stay armed up good, man!

.357 Magnums are excellent, too!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Garry G on August 16, 2020, 02:26:30 PM
Okay stupid question from somebody outside of the whole gun thing. Does ammo go off? Is there a shelf life and what storage do you use?
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 16, 2020, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Garry G;1145120
Okay stupid question from somebody outside of the whole gun thing. Does ammo go off? Is there a shelf life and what storage do you use?

Depends on how it's stored, though most ammo manufacturers do not guarantee their loads beyond a ten year shelf life.

The NRA (love 'em or hate 'em) has a pretty good thumbnail explanation here: https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2019/10/28/can-ammunition-go-bad/
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Garry G on August 17, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1145142
Depends on how it's stored, though most ammo manufacturers do not guarantee their loads beyond a ten year shelf life.

The NRA (love 'em or hate 'em) has a pretty good thumbnail explanation here: https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2019/10/28/can-ammunition-go-bad/

Cool. Interesting for post-apocalypse rpg, themselves for that.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: HappyDaze on August 17, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: Garry G;1145264
Cool. Interesting for post-apocalypse rpg, themselves for that.

So Fallout was wrong about ammo (and food) being good after 200+ years on the shelf? Of course, I was always more astounded that it hadn't already been scavenged by those people that emerged in the decades before my Vault Dweller arrived on the scene. Fun games, but that one bit really bugged my sense of verisimilitude.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 17, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145265
So Fallout was wrong about ammo (and food) being good after 200+ years on the shelf? Of course, I was always more astounded that it hadn't already been scavenged by those people that emerged in the decades before my Vault Dweller arrived on the scene. Fun games, but that one bit really bugged my sense of verisimilitude.

Fallout is an interesting case of 'high fantasy post-apocalypse', as opposed to 'low fantasy post-apoc' which could be run using Twilight 2000.

The 200 year time skip just screws everything up. Ironically, Fallout 76 only occurs in 2102, 25 years after the Great War, making scavenging far more plausible.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 18, 2020, 06:13:07 PM
Just put together my first practice build from scratch.

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Going to add a Sig-Sauer Romeo5 Red Dot optic, Streamlight 69240 TLR-4 Tac-Lite (with laser-sight onboard), and a 2-point sling (no decision on brand). She'll be ready to rock'n'roll.

Next build will be an AR-Pistol. Still bouncing some specs around.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 19, 2020, 11:06:58 PM
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It's no longer only a meme
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: blackstone on August 20, 2020, 07:07:02 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145622
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It's no longer only a meme

I have two questions:

1. WHAT !?!

2. DA FUK !?!?!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on August 20, 2020, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145622
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It's no longer only a meme

For the Emprah!!!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: blackstone on August 20, 2020, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: RandyB;1145669
For the Emprah!!!

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Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 20, 2020, 11:03:19 AM
It is awesome. But only Space Marines could use it accurately. I can't imagine that extra weight made that sucker inaccurate as fuck.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 20, 2020, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1145686
It is awesome. But only Space Marines could use it accurately. I can't imagine that extra weight made that sucker inaccurate as fuck.

Not to mention the vibration from it's engine.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on August 20, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145693
Not to mention the vibration from it's engine.

You don't shoot at range while the engine is running, obviously. :)
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on August 20, 2020, 06:43:08 PM
Quote from: tenbones;1145686
It is awesome. But only Space Marines could use it accurately. I can't imagine that extra weight made that sucker inaccurate as fuck.

I don't know...it has a C-mag...drop in an FA sear and the weight might help offset the muzzle climb. :D
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on August 23, 2020, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: moonsweeper;1145747
I don't know...it has a C-mag...drop in an FA sear and the weight might help offset the muzzle climb. :D

or a spring-loaded sword-blade in the stock... DOUBLE-WEAPON!
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on August 23, 2020, 05:00:51 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1145433
Just put together my first practice build from scratch.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]4771[/ATTACH]

Going to add a Sig-Sauer Romeo5 Red Dot optic, Streamlight 69240 TLR-4 Tac-Lite (with laser-sight onboard), and a 2-point sling (no decision on brand). She'll be ready to rock'n'roll.

Next build will be an AR-Pistol. Still bouncing some specs around.


Greetings!

Very nice, my friend! Fucking awesome! I also love the red dot optic, too. LOCK AND LOAD!!!!!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Toadmaster on August 31, 2020, 01:33:38 AM
Quote from: SHARK;1145064
Greetings!

Hi Toad! Colt 1851 revolver? SWEET! That's awesome! I have fired a few black powder weapons in the past--very fun! How much does the gear and powder for that all cost?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

The kit was $225, which isn't much cheaper than buying the finished gun. I got the kit for the project, not as a money saver. Most of the finished guns are $250-425 with Walker and Dragoon replicas at the upper end of that.

Add the historically accurate Colt .36 caliber conical bullet molds, paper cartridge formers and a few misc tools and I'm probably in another $200. BP is running about $25 / lb and caps are about $6 / 100. A pound of BP should be good for 350-400 shots.  

   



Quote from: Garry G;1145120
Okay stupid question from somebody outside of the whole gun thing. Does ammo go off? Is there a shelf life and what storage do you use?

WW2 era surplus ammo is still very shootable, so properly stored (cool, dry place) 70+ years is no issue. Really nothing to spoil with ammunition so if the guns survive the ammo should be good as well. In a dry climate 200 years doesn't trip my BS meter.
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Trond on August 31, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Anybody mentioned this? Almost 5 mill new gun owners in America

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/almost-five-million-americans-have-become-gun-owners-in-the-first-half-of-2020/
Title: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Lurkndog on August 31, 2020, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145265
So Fallout was wrong about ammo (and food) being good after 200+ years on the shelf? Of course, I was always more astounded that it hadn't already been scavenged by those people that emerged in the decades before my Vault Dweller arrived on the scene. Fun games, but that one bit really bugged my sense of verisimilitude.


I've personally fired brass cartridges that had been in storage for nearly 100 years. They went bang.

Now, if the ammo has been in a flood or something, it may not work. Corrosion could prevent it from even chambering. But in general if the cardboard box has survived, the ammo should be fairly good.

I've also gotten dud rounds in brand new ammo, so there is that.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on September 18, 2020, 06:35:27 PM
So largely done. I just need to get the flashlight on it.


I added the foregrip with brace, QD mounts for the sling (but I need to add a QD mount backplate to the stock, not a big fan of using a regular strap. Besides I got these kickass paracord hooks I wanna use them. I have the Magpul flip-up sites on there (depressed).


But big change is I decided against the SIG Romeo Optic... and went with something more aggressive (and a lot more expensive). I got the VORTEX Strikefire II optic Red/Green dot. It's pretty sweet. If I make any more upgrades at this point aside from the flashlight, it'll be a suppressor.


But that's down the line.



(https://i.imgur.com/vRpm3m7.jpg)
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on September 18, 2020, 08:47:41 PM
nice one!
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Hawkwing7423 on September 18, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
Beautiful weapon. I'd be a little intimidated by the maintenance since it would be new to me.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on September 19, 2020, 07:25:29 AM
That's a great looking scope.  I'm looking for one for my AR. 
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on September 20, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Beautiful weapon. I'd be a little intimidated by the maintenance since it would be new to me.


Hawk -


So you are the perfect person to build your own AR. The process will utterly dispel every myth about firearms, but it will instill an intrinsic respect for what they are, and how they can be used recreationally, and yes, first and foremost for self-defense.


Maintenance of your firearms is a piece of cake if you go through the relatively simple process of learning to build one.


That one in the image is my first AR I built. I learned literally from watching a few YouTube videos and did some research on the parts and whittled it down to what I was willing to pay, and for what my primary need for it was for (its made to be an all-around home-defense/hunting rifle).


It's very easy and rewarding. Now you *can* go down a lot of rabbit-holes in terms of design, but you can keep it nice and basic, pick good parts (most of which you can buy in kits) and put the whole thing together in about 45-minutes (that how long it took me in my first attempt). It's *easy* but I should tell you that there is some money you'll have to put in to buy tools, etc. that will affect your build-design.


Otherwise you can try to hunt down a good brand-name depending on your budget. But I *highly* recommend going to your local range and take some classes. You shouldn't be afraid your firearm, you need to understand how they operate and always respect them.


@The Spaniard
Yeah Vortex is a *very* nice brand. But I'd recommend a basic SIG Romeo Red-Dot if you're just looking - you cant' beat the price/quality ratio. They're very affordable and very high-quality. Vortex is very high quality, and can get very expensive. I got an extremely good deal on that one above. My next build I'm doing I'll likely put a SIG Romeo on it (it's going to be an AR-pistol) and call it a day, while I move on to my next thing.



Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on September 20, 2020, 11:56:05 PM

So largely done. I just need to get the flashlight on it.


I added the foregrip with brace, QD mounts for the sling (but I need to add a QD mount backplate to the stock, not a big fan of using a regular strap. Besides I got these kickass paracord hooks I wanna use them. I have the Magpul flip-up sites on there (depressed).


But big change is I decided against the SIG Romeo Optic... and went with something more aggressive (and a lot more expensive). I got the VORTEX Strikefire II optic Red/Green dot. It's pretty sweet. If I make any more upgrades at this point aside from the flashlight, it'll be a suppressor.


But that's down the line.



(https://i.imgur.com/vRpm3m7.jpg)


Greetings!


Goddamn, Tenbones! Your AR there is *SWEET*!!! I love it, brother! You must have enjoyed putting that bad boy together, huh? So many sweet goodies for it, too!


Semper Fidelis,


SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: tenbones on September 21, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
thank you!!!


I'm looking forward to showing off my next one.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Hawkwing7423 on September 21, 2020, 10:54:13 PM
Hawk -

So you are the perfect person to build your own AR. The process will utterly dispel every myth about firearms, but it will instill an intrinsic respect for what they are, and how they can be used recreationally, and yes, first and foremost for self-defense.

Maintenance of your firearms is a piece of cake if you go through the relatively simple process of learning to build one.

Maybe someday. For now I have a simple Mossberg pump shotgun. My money is going into helping my elderly parents out of near Chicago. The neighborhood is bad and dangerous and they can't keep up with their house.


I appreciate the encouragement. Besides, if Trump wins again, maybe there will be some stability to the gun supply. I keep hearing stores are wiped out.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 05, 2020, 03:05:52 AM
Greetings!

How is the ammo supply going in your local gun stores?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on December 05, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
Extremely tough to come by.  Crazy expensive if you can find what you need, even online. 
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Razor 007 on December 09, 2020, 12:03:01 AM
There are people who have only recently felt the need to go buy a little extra, and then they were shocked when they couldn't find what they were looking for.  They ignored the signs.  They ignored the warnings.  They chalked it all up to people blowing things out of proportion.  Well, now they know better.

You don't want to act after the panic, you want to act before the panic.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 09, 2020, 12:23:35 AM
Greetings!

Damn, my friends, that sounds rough! I'm fortunate that I have long since believed in being well-prepared, and I have stocked up. I also have reloading equipment and supplies.

Things could get very crazy here soon. I've told others that the flash doesn't have to be something huge, and significant. That's what a lot of people tend to think, or expect. History shows us though, that oftentimes it is something minor or obscure, that can seem like just a little flame, which grows into a blowtorch. In our digital age, it can be a man being shot, a woman being arrested, a fight by a freeway entrance or a Walmart. You never know with what, or where, such a seemingly obscure event can go viral, and just strike a nerve, where a large enough number of people say, "I don't think so"--and it's on. In breathtaking speed, total fucking chaos can sweep the land.

And another thing, the idea that the government is always going to be some swift, 800-lb. gorilla that will always ensure that order is maintained, well, that has lots of historical precedents which indicate that faith in government control can blow the fuck up, too. The Soviet Union was engulfed in chaos and revolution in a week, back in 1991, just as a recent example. Hundreds of thousands of people going absolutely berserk, and the government was helpless. Start getting tens of thousands of people, or hundreds of thousands of people fighting, marching, burning and going crazy, and the government will be effectively paralyzed. That kind of scenario, regardless of the particular details, can even effect the United States of America, as we have gotten a glimpse of such just this last summer. We always need to be prepared! Wherever you are, do the best you can to stock up on water, food, essential supplies, batteries, extra clothes, and weapons and ammunition.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 10, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
Greetings!

Some news and forward intel concerning the 2A, and Biden's plans for gun control.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 12, 2020, 12:24:22 PM
Greetings!

Some news and forward intel concerning the 2A, and Biden's plans for gun control.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


He and his handlers can push whatever they like.

I will not comply.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on December 13, 2020, 05:24:45 PM
Ammo will be their play.  They'll tax the hell out of it and try regulating its sale.  Its already in short supply, so prices are crazy high.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: rgalex on December 15, 2020, 12:04:06 PM
I finally bought my first gun back in July.  Before that, I haven't touched one since I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 90s. 

It's a small 9mm handgun, Springfield Armory XDS2.  It's not fancy but I liked the way it felt in my hand.  A lot of the others I looked at felt too large.  Apparently I have small stubby fingers.

It took 2 months before I could get into a CCW class and almost that long before I could find ammo.  I've found a place online now that regularly gets ammo in at a reasonable, but still not cheap, price.  Locally, yeah, good luck.  Most places I've been will only sell you ammo if you are also buying the gun, and only a single box.

I've been to the range 2-3 times a month since I bought it and come to find out I'm not a bad shot.  Not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but my grouping is solid.

Last week I managed to sneak in an appointment with a county sheriff for my CCW license.  They've been booked all over out through April of 2021 but I guess someone cancelled and I snagged it.  Now it's just a 1-4 week wait for processing.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: The Spaniard on December 15, 2020, 01:49:11 PM
I finally bought my first gun back in July.  Before that, I haven't touched one since I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 90s. 

It's a small 9mm handgun, Springfield Armory XDS2.  It's not fancy but I liked the way it felt in my hand.  A lot of the others I looked at felt too large.  Apparently I have small stubby fingers.

It took 2 months before I could get into a CCW class and almost that long before I could find ammo.  I've found a place online now that regularly gets ammo in at a reasonable, but still not cheap, price.  Locally, yeah, good luck.  Most places I've been will only sell you ammo if you are also buying the gun, and only a single box.

I've been to the range 2-3 times a month since I bought it and come to find out I'm not a bad shot.  Not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but my grouping is solid.

Last week I managed to sneak in an appointment with a county sheriff for my CCW license.  They've been booked all over out through April of 2021 but I guess someone cancelled and I snagged it.  Now it's just a 1-4 week wait for processing.

That's all good news.  I know ammo is super hard to find, and pricey when you can find it.  $ .80/round is not out of the question for 9mm, which is ridiculous.  I had to settle for steel jacketed last time I bought some.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 15, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
I finally bought my first gun back in July.  Before that, I haven't touched one since I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 90s. 

It's a small 9mm handgun, Springfield Armory XDS2.  It's not fancy but I liked the way it felt in my hand.  A lot of the others I looked at felt too large.  Apparently I have small stubby fingers.

It took 2 months before I could get into a CCW class and almost that long before I could find ammo.  I've found a place online now that regularly gets ammo in at a reasonable, but still not cheap, price.  Locally, yeah, good luck.  Most places I've been will only sell you ammo if you are also buying the gun, and only a single box.

I've been to the range 2-3 times a month since I bought it and come to find out I'm not a bad shot.  Not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but my grouping is solid.

Last week I managed to sneak in an appointment with a county sheriff for my CCW license.  They've been booked all over out through April of 2021 but I guess someone cancelled and I snagged it.  Now it's just a 1-4 week wait for processing.
Pick the gun that fits right for you. And despite the occasional caliber arguments (they're worse than edition warring, I swear), 9mm is a perfectly serviceable round.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on December 15, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
I finally bought my first gun back in July.  Before that, I haven't touched one since I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 90s. 

It's a small 9mm handgun, Springfield Armory XDS2.  It's not fancy but I liked the way it felt in my hand.  A lot of the others I looked at felt too large.  Apparently I have small stubby fingers.

It took 2 months before I could get into a CCW class and almost that long before I could find ammo.  I've found a place online now that regularly gets ammo in at a reasonable, but still not cheap, price.  Locally, yeah, good luck.  Most places I've been will only sell you ammo if you are also buying the gun, and only a single box.

I've been to the range 2-3 times a month since I bought it and come to find out I'm not a bad shot.  Not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but my grouping is solid.

Last week I managed to sneak in an appointment with a county sheriff for my CCW license.  They've been booked all over out through April of 2021 but I guess someone cancelled and I snagged it.  Now it's just a 1-4 week wait for processing.
Pick the gun that fits right for you. And despite the occasional caliber arguments (they're worse than edition warring, I swear), 9mm is a perfectly serviceable round.

Especially with the relatively recent changes in ammo loadings. Hell, even .380 ACP is a decent round in recently introduced loads.

.25 ACP is still right out.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 15, 2020, 08:18:53 PM
I finally bought my first gun back in July.  Before that, I haven't touched one since I was in the Boy Scouts back in the 90s. 

It's a small 9mm handgun, Springfield Armory XDS2.  It's not fancy but I liked the way it felt in my hand.  A lot of the others I looked at felt too large.  Apparently I have small stubby fingers.

It took 2 months before I could get into a CCW class and almost that long before I could find ammo.  I've found a place online now that regularly gets ammo in at a reasonable, but still not cheap, price.  Locally, yeah, good luck.  Most places I've been will only sell you ammo if you are also buying the gun, and only a single box.

I've been to the range 2-3 times a month since I bought it and come to find out I'm not a bad shot.  Not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but my grouping is solid.

Last week I managed to sneak in an appointment with a county sheriff for my CCW license.  They've been booked all over out through April of 2021 but I guess someone cancelled and I snagged it.  Now it's just a 1-4 week wait for processing.
Pick the gun that fits right for you. And despite the occasional caliber arguments (they're worse than edition warring, I swear), 9mm is a perfectly serviceable round.

Greetings!

*Laughing* I have several *years* of subscriptions of Guns & Ammo magazine saved up. Yes, of course I have read all of them, from back in the day now, when the Colonel was still with us, and writing his column for them. In issue after issue, the debates raged back and forth, 45 vs 9MM, 45 vs 40, and on and on. With many letters to the editors as well, arguing and critiquing the main people arguing in the articles. *Laughing*

Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.

But you know....45 is really the best, right? ;D You know that's the truth! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: myleftnut on December 15, 2020, 11:02:25 PM
I have a Walther P99.  It’s fun as hell on the range since the trigger eases up after the first pull.  Unloading the magazine is a breeze.  I’m wanting to get something more suitable for societal collapse but I’m not sure what to look for.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: moonsweeper on December 15, 2020, 11:25:28 PM
AR in 5.56 or else AK (7.62x39)
societal collapse is about ammo, parts, and reliability and nothing else is even close.  6.5, etc. is a nice round but if you have to scrounge, it is a glorified club.

If you want something heavier you could go 7.62x51 (.308), although you want to get the LR 308 pattern, not the AR-10, which is proprietary (mags and such)
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: HappyDaze on December 16, 2020, 12:08:38 AM
I have a Walther P99.  It’s fun as hell on the range since the trigger eases up after the first pull.  Unloading the magazine is a breeze.  I’m wanting to get something more suitable for societal collapse but I’m not sure what to look for.
Fallout taught me that, early on, weapon selection is something the other guy does. You just use what you loot, at least for a time. Could work...
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Kyle Aaron on December 16, 2020, 04:33:45 AM
Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.
I heard a rumour that when the ADF changed from the 7.62mm SLR to the 5.56mm Austeyr, some soldiers expressed the view that the 5.56 was woefully underpowered and harmless. The instructing sergeant then said, "If you think it's harmless, stand over there and I'll shoot you with it, then you will have better grounds for your opinions." There were no volunteers, and this effectively ended the discussion, and the Austeyr familiarisation course went on.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 16, 2020, 06:42:47 AM
Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.
I heard a rumour that when the ADF changed from the 7.62mm SLR to the 5.56mm Austeyr, some soldiers expressed the view that the 5.56 was woefully underpowered and harmless. The instructing sergeant then said, "If you think it's harmless, stand over there and I'll shoot you with it, then you will have better grounds for your opinions." There were no volunteers, and this effectively ended the discussion, and the Austeyr familiarisation course went on.

Greetings!

*HILARIOUS*!!! I imagine there weren't! That's a cool story there, Kyle.

You know, I love the 7.62mm--it's a great round. I also love the 5.56mm as well. A friend of mine who also has both kinds of rifles, went hunting with his .308 and later on shooting with his 5.56mm, and he complained, saying, "Goddamn, the 7.62mm is fucking heavy! Those rounds are expensive, and they are heavy as fuck when you walk more than a bit with them. They wear on you hard." The 5.56mm, though, yeah. It's much lighter ammo and the rifle itself to carry. That means a lot, whether in combat, or just crawling around in the back country.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 16, 2020, 08:35:42 AM
Greetings!

*Laughing* I have several *years* of subscriptions of Guns & Ammo magazine saved up. Yes, of course I have read all of them, from back in the day now, when the Colonel was still with us, and writing his column for them. In issue after issue, the debates raged back and forth, 45 vs 9MM, 45 vs 40, and on and on. With many letters to the editors as well, arguing and critiquing the main people arguing in the articles. *Laughing*

Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.

But you know....45 is really the best, right? ;D You know that's the truth! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Having been active on several gunblogs, I can believe it. I have heard that early iterations of the 9mm had some issues with actual stopping power, though modern rounds have solved that problem.

Now, the problem with .40 and 10mm, as I understand it, was that the round was actually a little overpowered for the pistol designs it was used in, resulting in greater stresses and shortened lifespan of the components. Take with a grain of salt, though -- that's just what I'd heard. Eventually the feds moved to the 9mm as it was easier for female agents and personnel to manage rather than those heavier pistols.

Honestly, the .45 is not a bad round, though I think the worship of the 1911 is a little overblown. We need a pistol that holds more than 7+1 of the buggers.

Speaking of big authoritative rounds, ever shot .45 Colt? Dad picked up a replica SAA, and shooting that is fun. Oh, it's got some kick, but not THAT much, and what's more it has the feel of a serious weapon. Every time I shoot it, it feels like shaking the hand of some rough-handed cowboy or gunslinger from the late 19th century. Good times.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RandyB on December 16, 2020, 11:43:20 AM
Greetings!

*Laughing* I have several *years* of subscriptions of Guns & Ammo magazine saved up. Yes, of course I have read all of them, from back in the day now, when the Colonel was still with us, and writing his column for them. In issue after issue, the debates raged back and forth, 45 vs 9MM, 45 vs 40, and on and on. With many letters to the editors as well, arguing and critiquing the main people arguing in the articles. *Laughing*

Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.

But you know....45 is really the best, right? ;D You know that's the truth! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Having been active on several gunblogs, I can believe it. I have heard that early iterations of the 9mm had some issues with actual stopping power, though modern rounds have solved that problem.

Now, the problem with .40 and 10mm, as I understand it, was that the round was actually a little overpowered for the pistol designs it was used in, resulting in greater stresses and shortened lifespan of the components. Take with a grain of salt, though -- that's just what I'd heard. Eventually the feds moved to the 9mm as it was easier for female agents and personnel to manage rather than those heavier pistols.

.40 is fine in a 9mm frame. 10mm is a beast in any frame, though a metal .45-sized frame like the 1911 makes it tolerable.

Another reason for going back to the 9mm is ammo capacity. The FBI in particular has an obsession with their agents' magazine capacity.

Honestly, the .45 is not a bad round, though I think the worship of the 1911 is a little overblown. We need a pistol that holds more than 7+1 of the buggers.

Speaking of big authoritative rounds, ever shot .45 Colt? Dad picked up a replica SAA, and shooting that is fun. Oh, it's got some kick, but not THAT much, and what's more it has the feel of a serious weapon. Every time I shoot it, it feels like shaking the hand of some rough-handed cowboy or gunslinger from the late 19th century. Good times.

The 1911 and the .45 ACP have stood the test of time, for one.

The 1911 has not been surpassed, except maybe by the Browning High Power, and that was a relative latecomer compared to the 1911.* And you can get a 1911 in other calibers than .45 - 10mm, .40, even 9mm. It's a workhorse.

The .45 ACP has gotten the job done for a century and continues to do so. As for magazine capacity... as a member of a private citizen's battery of guns, any handgun is best seen as a way to stay alive long enough to get to your long gun. Law enforcement, of course, has a completely different paradigm to operate in. And there are .45s in other frames that have larger magazines, etc. You can even get magazine extensions for a 1911.

There is no "one handgun to rule them all", of course. The Cult of the New and the Cult of the Old will never go away. But our discussions here will help us all to see past the obsessives and make the right choice for ourselves.

And then we can argue about our choices among ourselves. :)

*Both of them designed by the legendary John Moses Browning. Talk about cult status - however well deserved!
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 16, 2020, 08:42:17 PM
Greetings!

Geesus! I was just checking some online prices for 5.56mm Nato rounds for my AR-15, and the prices seem to be close to $1.00 US/round! Not that long ago, I think I was paying about .30 cents US/round.

Crazy prices!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on December 16, 2020, 08:46:01 PM
Greetings!

*Laughing* I have several *years* of subscriptions of Guns & Ammo magazine saved up. Yes, of course I have read all of them, from back in the day now, when the Colonel was still with us, and writing his column for them. In issue after issue, the debates raged back and forth, 45 vs 9MM, 45 vs 40, and on and on. With many letters to the editors as well, arguing and critiquing the main people arguing in the articles. *Laughing*

Yeah, my friend. D&D "Edition Wars" are nothing compared to GUNS and gun calibers and performance.

But you know....45 is really the best, right? ;D You know that's the truth! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Having been active on several gunblogs, I can believe it. I have heard that early iterations of the 9mm had some issues with actual stopping power, though modern rounds have solved that problem.

Now, the problem with .40 and 10mm, as I understand it, was that the round was actually a little overpowered for the pistol designs it was used in, resulting in greater stresses and shortened lifespan of the components. Take with a grain of salt, though -- that's just what I'd heard. Eventually the feds moved to the 9mm as it was easier for female agents and personnel to manage rather than those heavier pistols.

Honestly, the .45 is not a bad round, though I think the worship of the 1911 is a little overblown. We need a pistol that holds more than 7+1 of the buggers.

Speaking of big authoritative rounds, ever shot .45 Colt? Dad picked up a replica SAA, and shooting that is fun. Oh, it's got some kick, but not THAT much, and what's more it has the feel of a serious weapon. Every time I shoot it, it feels like shaking the hand of some rough-handed cowboy or gunslinger from the late 19th century. Good times.

Greetings!

.45 Colt is awesome, my friend! I have had the opportunity to shoot them over the years. I definitely like them!

As for .45 round capacity, my Glock 21, 4th Generation pistol comes with standard factory magazines which hold 13 rounds. So, 13+1 rounds ready to go.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: shuddemell on December 19, 2020, 12:57:07 PM
Though I still love my 1911 7+1, and as a bonus, that pistol is heavy enough to beat you to death with if 8 rounds doesn't do it.... :O

Hell even my CCP holds 6+1 in 45 ACP.... (Springfield Arms XDS)
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on December 22, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
Shark, have you ever read anything by Jim Cirillo? He was an NYPD detective with the 'Stakeout Squad' for years, and possibly one of the few modern-era guys who could honestly claim the title of 'gunfighter'. His book 'Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights' has some interesting (and dark) tales of his time there.

Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on January 01, 2021, 01:57:41 AM
Greetings!

Here is an interesting video on the Recce and related field tactics, and his set up and gear for the AR-15 rifle.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on January 01, 2021, 02:00:06 AM
Shark, have you ever read anything by Jim Cirillo? He was an NYPD detective with the 'Stakeout Squad' for years, and possibly one of the few modern-era guys who could honestly claim the title of 'gunfighter'. His book 'Guns, Bullets, and Gunfights' has some interesting (and dark) tales of his time there.

Greetings!

Gosh, you know that name sounds familiar, Ghostmaker! I must have heard of him--or that book, it too ounds familiar, but I can't say I have read it. It sounds interesting, though. Definitely a good book to get, I imagine!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: DocJones on January 05, 2021, 04:13:44 PM
I've been trying to get a custom semi-auto rifle for 3 months now.  All he recommended manufacturers aren't taking any orders because they are backed up.



Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2021, 08:19:12 AM
"nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS!"

Bidenharris recently made this statement to Congress:

Quote
Three years ago today, a lone gunman took the lives of 14 students and three educators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. In seconds, the lives of dozens of families, and the life of an American community, were changed forever.

For three years now, the Parkland families have spent birthdays and holidays without their loved ones. They’ve missed out on the experience of sending their children off to college or seeing them on their first job after high school. Like far too many families, they’ve had to bury pieces of their soul deep within the Earth. Like far too many families — and, indeed, like our nation — they’ve been left to wonder whether things would ever be okay.

These families are not alone. In big cities and small towns. In schools and shopping malls. In churches, mosques, synagogues, and temples. In movie theaters and concert halls. On city street corners that will never get a mention on the evening news. All across our nation, parents, spouses, children, siblings, and friends have known the pain of losing a loved one to gun violence. And in this season of so much loss, last year’s historic increase in homicides across America, including the gun violence disproportionately devastating Black and Brown individuals in our cities, has added to the number of empty seats at our kitchen tables. Today, as we mourn with the Parkland community, we mourn for all who have lost loved ones to gun violence.

Over these three years, the Parkland families have taught all of us something profound. Time and again, they have showed us how we can turn our grief into purpose – to march, organize, and build a strong, inclusive, and durable movement for change.

The Parkland students and so many other young people across the country who have experienced gun violence are carrying forward the history of the American journey. It is a history written by young people in each generation who challenged prevailing dogma to demand a simple truth: we can do better. And we will.

This Administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call. We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and communities safer. Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets. We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

No mention of actually punishing people who commit crimes with guns. No mention of how Cruz conveniently slipped through the system again and again thanks to the 'Promise Program'. Nope, it's all about banning 'weapons of war' and turning law abiding citizens into criminals through fiat.

But nobody wants to take our guns, right?

"Gun control is the assertion that a woman raped and strangled in an alley is somehow morally superior to one who shoots her attacker stone dead."
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on February 17, 2021, 02:27:40 AM
"nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS!"

Bidenharris recently made this statement to Congress:

Quote
Three years ago today, a lone gunman took the lives of 14 students and three educators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. In seconds, the lives of dozens of families, and the life of an American community, were changed forever.

For three years now, the Parkland families have spent birthdays and holidays without their loved ones. They’ve missed out on the experience of sending their children off to college or seeing them on their first job after high school. Like far too many families, they’ve had to bury pieces of their soul deep within the Earth. Like far too many families — and, indeed, like our nation — they’ve been left to wonder whether things would ever be okay.

These families are not alone. In big cities and small towns. In schools and shopping malls. In churches, mosques, synagogues, and temples. In movie theaters and concert halls. On city street corners that will never get a mention on the evening news. All across our nation, parents, spouses, children, siblings, and friends have known the pain of losing a loved one to gun violence. And in this season of so much loss, last year’s historic increase in homicides across America, including the gun violence disproportionately devastating Black and Brown individuals in our cities, has added to the number of empty seats at our kitchen tables. Today, as we mourn with the Parkland community, we mourn for all who have lost loved ones to gun violence.

Over these three years, the Parkland families have taught all of us something profound. Time and again, they have showed us how we can turn our grief into purpose – to march, organize, and build a strong, inclusive, and durable movement for change.

The Parkland students and so many other young people across the country who have experienced gun violence are carrying forward the history of the American journey. It is a history written by young people in each generation who challenged prevailing dogma to demand a simple truth: we can do better. And we will.

This Administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call. We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and communities safer. Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets. We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

No mention of actually punishing people who commit crimes with guns. No mention of how Cruz conveniently slipped through the system again and again thanks to the 'Promise Program'. Nope, it's all about banning 'weapons of war' and turning law abiding citizens into criminals through fiat.

But nobody wants to take our guns, right?

"Gun control is the assertion that a woman raped and strangled in an alley is somehow morally superior to one who shoots her attacker stone dead."

Just be glad you don't have Justin Castreau for a leader. We'll be lucky if we can even own pictures of firearms soon.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on February 17, 2021, 02:42:20 AM
Man... going back through this thread is depressing. I remember watching many of the things being discussed live as they happened and remembering how we all thought things couldn't get worse only to be proven wrong again and again until where we are now. Very sad.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on February 17, 2021, 02:59:24 PM
Man... going back through this thread is depressing. I remember watching many of the things being discussed live as they happened and remembering how we all thought things couldn't get worse only to be proven wrong again and again until where we are now. Very sad.

Greetings!

Hey there, my friend! Well, there is always hope that people and leaders in different states will embrace and protect the Constitution, and in particular, the 2A, even against the Marxist tyranny imposed from the junta in Washington, DC.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on February 18, 2021, 02:15:32 PM
Man... going back through this thread is depressing. I remember watching many of the things being discussed live as they happened and remembering how we all thought things couldn't get worse only to be proven wrong again and again until where we are now. Very sad.

Greetings!

Hey there, my friend! Well, there is always hope that people and leaders in different states will embrace and protect the Constitution, and in particular, the 2A, even against the Marxist tyranny imposed from the junta in Washington, DC.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Let's hope so, brother!
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: horsesoldier on February 24, 2021, 01:59:35 PM
I've been trying to get a custom semi-auto rifle for 3 months now.  All he recommended manufacturers aren't taking any orders because they are backed up.

What about a local gunsmith?
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 24, 2021, 08:23:53 AM
"nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS!"

https://twitter.com/GeoffWSYX6/status/1374428234272493574

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1374407853998415877

But hey, nobody talks about how the narrative for the Boulder shooter was 'must be an evil white man, hu hu!' before it came out he was an ISIS-sympathizing, Trump hating Syrian refugee. Whoops. Quick! Shift the narrative!

Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on March 24, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
I don't own any firearms, just Nerf guns.

https://breaking911.com/north-carolina-police-seize-glock-pistol-disguised-as-nerf-gun-during-drug-raid/
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 24, 2021, 09:40:26 AM
I don't own any firearms, just Nerf guns.

https://breaking911.com/north-carolina-police-seize-glock-pistol-disguised-as-nerf-gun-during-drug-raid/
Yeah, those crop up occasionally. I don't blame law enforcement, since it's essentially concealing the firearm.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ratman_tf on March 24, 2021, 10:25:54 AM
"nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS!"

https://twitter.com/GeoffWSYX6/status/1374428234272493574

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1374407853998415877

But hey, nobody talks about how the narrative for the Boulder shooter was 'must be an evil white man, hu hu!' before it came out he was an ISIS-sympathizing, Trump hating Syrian refugee. Whoops. Quick! Shift the narrative!

CoMmOn sEnSe GuN cOnTrolS

I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

Considering how many Americans joined the ranks of legal gun owners this past year, I think this is the hill that Biden is going to die on. Unless he's just posturing for his voter base, and doesn't atually plan to try and ram any executive orders through, which is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on March 24, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

My AR-15 looks scary, while my 30-06 is just a hunting rifle! I know which one is actually more deadly, but gun control retards can only parrot MSM bullshit.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 24, 2021, 11:20:41 AM
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

My AR-15 looks scary, while my 30-06 is just a hunting rifle! I know which one is actually more deadly, but gun control retards can only parrot MSM bullshit.
Once again, I shall invoke the bloviating of serial drunk Ted 'Swimmer' Kennedy.
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In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.
Now, those of you who haven't spent your time eating the books will notice a problem here.

Police officers typically do not wear body armor that will stop a standard centerfire rifle round. That armor (type II, IIA, or IIIA) is only rated against most pistol rounds -- 9mm, .357 Magnum, and .44 Magnum, respectively. To stop a centerfire rifle round of the 5.56mm or 7.62mm, you need to move up to the rigid-plate type III and IV armors, typically worn by some military and embedded journalists with said military.

Ted went on to drunkenly opine:
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Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
Yes, my friends, your ancient 1894 Winchester lever action is capable of piercing armored cars.

Forget licensing for firearms. We ought to force legislators and congresscritters to obtain licenses that prove they're not fucking morons.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on March 31, 2021, 02:24:28 AM
Just be glad that you don't live in Canada. As I am sure you know, good ol' Justin Castreau banned thousands of firearms with the stroke of a pen, on his own, without Parliamentary debate by using the state of emergency he granted himself for two years due to covid.

For the time being we can still own pistols, automatics require a mag capacity limiter to 5 rounds last I checked.

They use the same damn arguments of scare black furniture on a weapon equals super duper cop killing powers over the exact same weapon with default wooden stock. They counted on the public and politicians knowing jack shit about the subject. And it worked.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on March 31, 2021, 02:28:49 AM
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 31, 2021, 02:35:59 AM
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle.
Reliability.

Just be glad that you don't live in Canada. As I am sure you know, good ol' Justin Castreau banned thousands of firearms with the stroke of a pen, on his own, without Parliamentary debate by using the state of emergency he granted himself for two years due to covid.
I know the virus is meant to be able to survive on surfaces, but surely if you've been struck by a bullet then a virus is the least of your worries?
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 09:23:08 AM
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

I am a fairly recent owner of a walther PPQ. Feels great in the hand. They have a new version of it that's optic ready out of the box.

If I was limited to 5 rounds I'd get something more powerful though.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 09:27:30 AM
I have yet to hear one of these 'activists' say what's the basic difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-auto rifle. And lots of calls to repeal the 2nd Amendment and simply make guns illegal.

My AR-15 looks scary, while my 30-06 is just a hunting rifle! I know which one is actually more deadly, but gun control retards can only parrot MSM bullshit.
Once again, I shall invoke the bloviating of serial drunk Ted 'Swimmer' Kennedy.
Quote
In a recent report, the ATF identified three, .223 and the 7.62 caliber rifles, as the ones most frequently encountered by police officers. These high-capacity rifles, the ATF wrote, pose an enhanced threat to law enforcement, in part because of their ability to expel particles at velocities that are capable of penetrating the type of soft body armor typically worn by law enforcement officers.
Now, those of you who haven't spent your time eating the books will notice a problem here.

Police officers typically do not wear body armor that will stop a standard centerfire rifle round. That armor (type II, IIA, or IIIA) is only rated against most pistol rounds -- 9mm, .357 Magnum, and .44 Magnum, respectively. To stop a centerfire rifle round of the 5.56mm or 7.62mm, you need to move up to the rigid-plate type III and IV armors, typically worn by some military and embedded journalists with said military.

Ted went on to drunkenly opine:
Quote
Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.
Yes, my friends, your ancient 1894 Winchester lever action is capable of piercing armored cars.

Forget licensing for firearms. We ought to force legislators and congresscritters to obtain licenses that prove they're not fucking morons.

If a 30-30 could reliably pierce thick steel, Frank Hamer never would have asked for a BAR when going after Bonnie and Clyde. If it wasn't so threatening to liberty it would be funny.

We have legislators and bureaucrats who have no idea what they're doing. It is really apparent with guns, because this stuff is high visibility, but what about when they give diktats on something less high profile, like washing machines or tractor engines? We just have to deal with their stupid, ignorant orders.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on March 31, 2021, 11:06:13 AM
If a 30-30 could reliably pierce thick steel, Frank Hamer never would have asked for a BAR when going after Bonnie and Clyde. If it wasn't so threatening to liberty it would be funny.

We have legislators and bureaucrats who have no idea what they're doing. It is really apparent with guns, because this stuff is high visibility, but what about when they give diktats on something less high profile, like washing machines or tractor engines? We just have to deal with their stupid, ignorant orders.
Rate of fire is a thing. But the theory I've heard is that Ted's blathering was to make the point that citizens could easily, if so inclined, start potting government officials.

You can't hide away in a bunker and still reign over the serfs. Hide in an armored car? Sure... but you have to get out eventually.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Samsquantch on April 01, 2021, 02:44:28 AM
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

I am a fairly recent owner of a walther PPQ. Feels great in the hand. They have a new version of it that's optic ready out of the box.

If I was limited to 5 rounds I'd get something more powerful though.

I'll check out the Walther ppq, thanks.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 01, 2021, 03:12:56 AM
On a different tangent, I am looking to renew my firearms license after a long time of not having one (really kicking myself for that since I could have easily bought and AR and an AK like most of my military friends did but now they are banned).

So I am thinking of getting a pistol and would like some input on what's good these days. Would go for an automatic over a revolver.

Greetings!

Well, brother, when it comes to side-arms, I honestly begin and end with recommending the Glock 21 Gen4 45 semi-automatic pistol.



The Gen4 Glock 21 has a 13-round magazine. +1 in the chamber, that's 14 rounds of 45 ammunition immediately available for action, in whatever situation. I feel that my Glock 21 is easy to grip and control, is absolutely reliable, and is impressively accurate, right from the box. I have a friend in law enforcement who also works at my local gun shop--he has been a policeman for many years. He carries his Glock still, right on his hip, to this day. He explained to me that the Glock 21 Gen4 is a beautiful and entirely outstanding weapon. He has used his Glock on duty in action, and he maintains that he has trusted his life with this weapon. He also encouraged me that the Glock 21 Gen4 doesn't need any modifications, for anything. He said there's nothing you are gonna do to the pistol that will truly increase its performance or accuracy from how it comes in the box. He says leave it the fuck alone, don't fiddle with it. The weapon is good to go just the way it is--rugged, accurate, trustworthy, and brutally effective.

So, I fully recommend the glock 21 Gen4 45 pistol. I believe you can trust your life with this weapon.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Kyle Aaron on April 01, 2021, 03:38:37 AM
Shark, it seems to me you'd be a good one to invite to alpha-testing for Conflict. Probably not enough gun porn for you, but the basic ebb-and-flow and tidal wave of combat you could give us great feedback on. We did a streamed initial session (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hte8f2TXAD8) today.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 03, 2021, 03:48:14 AM
Shark, it seems to me you'd be a good one to invite to alpha-testing for Conflict. Probably not enough gun porn for you, but the basic ebb-and-flow and tidal wave of combat you could give us great feedback on. We did a streamed initial session (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hte8f2TXAD8) today.

Greetings!

Thank you, Kyle! That sounds awesome!

It looks good, too. Very Interesting!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 06, 2021, 04:40:17 PM
Mauser ammo has been very expensive lately so I haven't been able to try out my Kar98k. It's vexing.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ghostmaker on April 08, 2021, 10:36:48 AM
So the Sleepy Joe handlers have unveiled their six drafted EOs for the puppet to sign. They're all bad.

Reference: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

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(1)  The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.
We are? That's new. Usually criminals opt for guns 'under the table', not building them with complex 3D printing and CNC systems. What are the statistics on this? Or is it just 'trust us, these are EVUL GUNZ'?

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(2) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.
I see they got some mileage out of the Syrian who decided to go bag some Jews even though he was on the FBI's radar, even if he wasn't a Trump supporter. Garbage, but what else is new? I love how the shooter 'appears' to have used a pistol with an arm brace. Dude! Don't you KNOW already? The event's over! You should be able to tell one way or another!

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(3) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.
Blatant attempt to violate due process and shit on people. I look forward to 'red flagging' being used the same way shitheels use swatting as a tactic. With any luck this will get challenged and struck down, but I'm not betting any money just yet.

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(4) The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

The American Jobs Plan proposes a $5 billion investment over eight years to support community violence intervention programs. A key part of community violence intervention strategies is to help connect individuals to job training and job opportunities.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is organizing a webinar and toolkit to educate states on how they can use Medicaid to reimburse certain community violence intervention programs, like Hospital-Based Violence Interventions.
Five federal agencies are making changes to 26 different programs to direct vital support to community violence intervention programs as quickly as possible. These changes mean we can start increasing investments in community violence interventions as we wait on Congress to appropriate additional funds. Read more about these agency actions here.
Graft and more graft. Gotta pay off some political supporters.

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(5) The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.
Wonder if the report will cover Fast and Furious? More boilerplate to prop up their damaged ideas that 'guns are soooo easy to get'.

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(6) The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.  (White House Link)
This is the one that rattles me. Chipman was the case agent for Waco.

Yeah, I totally want to put the ATF in the hands of the vicious fuckwit who helped whitewash that clusterfuck. What a GREAT idea.

But hey, 'nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS', right?
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Ratman_tf on April 08, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
So the Sleepy Joe handlers have unveiled their six drafted EOs for the puppet to sign. They're all bad.

Reference: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

Thanks for the link. I didn't want to sit through 30 minutes of Joe mumbling into a mike.

Yeah, could be worse. A lot of this will be challenged or outright rejected as unconstitutional, or is a "comittee" doing an "investigation". I still think Joe is pulling his punches, since any serious "gun control" efforts would piss off the 40 million people who became new gun owners over the past year.
Still, it's "inital actions", and could get ugly fast.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on April 08, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
I always wonder why any Second Amendment talk only focuses on firearms, when it clearly says arms. Oh, and not infringed, too.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: horsesoldier on April 09, 2021, 08:08:25 AM
But it says well regulated! And militia! Never mind what the militia was in late 18th century, they clearly mean the national guard.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on April 09, 2021, 09:44:07 AM
But it says well regulated! And militia! Never mind what the militia was in late 18th century, they clearly mean the national guard.

Lawyers are really good at sounding smart when they're saying fucking stupid shit.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: KingCheops on April 09, 2021, 10:17:18 AM
But it says well regulated! And militia! Never mind what the militia was in late 18th century, they clearly mean the national guard.

There were private militias all over the United States until late in the 19th century.  The history of the militias is actually pretty interesting.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/ryan-mcmaken/americas-private-militias-of-the-nineteenth-century/ (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/09/ryan-mcmaken/americas-private-militias-of-the-nineteenth-century/)

I like how some of them were basically men's clubs or even immigrant organizations.  Men love belonging to groups and having hierarchies.  And also getting the fuck away from their wives and kids!
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 09, 2021, 01:35:17 PM
So the Sleepy Joe handlers have unveiled their six drafted EOs for the puppet to sign. They're all bad.

Reference: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/07/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-initial-actions-to-address-the-gun-violence-public-health-epidemic/

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(1)  The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.
We are? That's new. Usually criminals opt for guns 'under the table', not building them with complex 3D printing and CNC systems. What are the statistics on this? Or is it just 'trust us, these are EVUL GUNZ'?

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(2) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.
I see they got some mileage out of the Syrian who decided to go bag some Jews even though he was on the FBI's radar, even if he wasn't a Trump supporter. Garbage, but what else is new? I love how the shooter 'appears' to have used a pistol with an arm brace. Dude! Don't you KNOW already? The event's over! You should be able to tell one way or another!

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(3) The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.
Blatant attempt to violate due process and shit on people. I look forward to 'red flagging' being used the same way shitheels use swatting as a tactic. With any luck this will get challenged and struck down, but I'm not betting any money just yet.

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(4) The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

The American Jobs Plan proposes a $5 billion investment over eight years to support community violence intervention programs. A key part of community violence intervention strategies is to help connect individuals to job training and job opportunities.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is organizing a webinar and toolkit to educate states on how they can use Medicaid to reimburse certain community violence intervention programs, like Hospital-Based Violence Interventions.
Five federal agencies are making changes to 26 different programs to direct vital support to community violence intervention programs as quickly as possible. These changes mean we can start increasing investments in community violence interventions as we wait on Congress to appropriate additional funds. Read more about these agency actions here.
Graft and more graft. Gotta pay off some political supporters.

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(5) The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.
Wonder if the report will cover Fast and Furious? More boilerplate to prop up their damaged ideas that 'guns are soooo easy to get'.

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(6) The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.  (White House Link)
This is the one that rattles me. Chipman was the case agent for Waco.

Yeah, I totally want to put the ATF in the hands of the vicious fuckwit who helped whitewash that clusterfuck. What a GREAT idea.

But hey, 'nO oNe WaNtS tO tAkE yOuR gUnS', right?

Greetings!

Thank you, Ghostmaker, for posting a good summary of the legal bullshit violations of our Constitution that the goddamn Biden administration is doing!

Our 2nd Amendment rights are in peril from the cock-sucking Marxists and all the goddamned yellow cowards in this country. So many drooling, feminized, sobbing pussies. They are disgusting. Just more proof that there are many people born for the yoke. They yearn to serve a strong master. These whining bitches love being slaves to the elite. They sleep better at night, knowing their place is to bow their heads and desperately whisper, "Yes, Master!"

The great atrocity is these scum are willing to sell out the rest of the country that doesn't want to live like fucking slaves.

Hopefully, enough resistance can be rounded up to turn these governmental policies and initiatives back. It's a never-ending struggle!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on April 09, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
Shark, just remember that the best part about inalienable rights is that any government that tries to limit them or take them away is, by definition, a tyrannical one, and thus should be replaced. These gun-grabbing communists are not going to like what's coming their way if they continue down this path.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 02:14:32 PM
I am grabbing guns to use them against people who are trying to stop theirs from being grabbed and wanna see what comes our way because win/lose at least it'll be fuckin settled. Suit up and shoot up or shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 09, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
Shark, just remember that the best part about inalienable rights is that any government that tries to limit them or take them away is, by definition, a tyrannical one, and thus should be replaced. These gun-grabbing communists are not going to like what's coming their way if they continue down this path.

Greetings!

Yeah, you are quite right, my friend! I've told my friends, it ultimately doesn't matter what the government does. I'm not a criminal today--but tomorrow, by the stroke of a pen, I'm suddenly considered a criminal? How is this justice prevailing in the land?

I'm keeping all my guns. I'm keeping all my ammunition, and gear. I'm not signing anything; I'm not going to register a goddamned thing, beyond what I have already by long-standing law abided by; I'm not paying a nickel for extra fees or fines, for a fucking thing. They want line in the fucking sand, that's it. They can all burn in hell, and yeah, I don't care if I get blazed for it. So be it. The country has to stand up against the tyranny.

Fortunately, where I live, it isn't something I have to reasonably expect, because everyone around me are patriots and pro-guns. I have several neighbors that are law enforcement, and they would never enforce tyranny. Woe to the patriots that live in cock-sucking, Liberal Marxist areas! YOU get to be forced on your knees and fucked in the ass as the Liberals gleefully turn you into a cowering, unarmed slave.

All the while you know, the nice folks down in the ghetto, well, they are certainly armed. THEY don't give a fuck about what the law says, now do they?

Stand against the fucking tyranny with every bit of strength we have! God, these cock-sucking Marxists are such filthy, diseased rats! Always scheming and whispering in their plots to make everyone slaves!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 02:30:10 PM
Shark, just remember that the best part about inalienable rights is that any government that tries to limit them or take them away is, by definition, a tyrannical one, and thus should be replaced. These gun-grabbing communists are not going to like what's coming their way if they continue down this path.

Greetings!

Yeah, you are quite right, my friend! I've told my friends, it ultimately doesn't matter what the government does. I'm not a criminal today--but tomorrow, by the stroke of a pen, I'm suddenly considered a criminal? How is this justice prevailing in the land?

I'm keeping all my guns. I'm keeping all my ammunition, and gear. I'm not signing anything; I'm not going to register a goddamned thing, beyond what I have already by long-standing law abided by; I'm not paying a nickel for extra fees or fines, for a fucking thing. They want line in the fucking sand, that's it. They can all burn in hell, and yeah, I don't care if I get blazed for it. So be it. The country has to stand up against the tyranny.

Fortunately, where I live, it isn't something I have to reasonably expect, because everyone around me are patriots and pro-guns. I have several neighbors that are law enforcement, and they would never enforce tyranny. Woe to the patriots that live in cock-sucking, Liberal Marxist areas! YOU get to be forced on your knees and fucked in the ass as the Liberals gleefully turn you into a cowering, unarmed slave.

All the while you know, the nice folks down in the ghetto, well, they are certainly armed. THEY don't give a fuck about what the law says, now do they?

Stand against the fucking tyranny with every bit of strength we have! God, these cock-sucking Marxists are such filthy, diseased rats! Always scheming and whispering in their plots to make everyone slaves!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Who are the nice folk in the ghetto, shark. Could you describe them to me.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 09, 2021, 03:24:23 PM
Greetings!

What kind of scopes do you like to use?

Scopes of course, can get very expensive. I think my Eagle Talon scope I got for $600. I can't remember. It's a good little scope though for the AR-15.

I like the clear reticle, it makes centering on the target very comfortable and smooth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 03:31:22 PM
Yeah that's what I fucking thought.

I'm still using iron sights because I haven't bought a scope yet. Anything that would fit on an older rifle?
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: SHARK on April 09, 2021, 04:05:56 PM
Yeah that's what I fucking thought.

I'm still using iron sights because I haven't bought a scope yet. Anything that would fit on an older rifle?

Greetings!

"Yeah that's what I fucking thought." About what? What does that have to do with guns, scopes, or politics about guns?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 04:31:39 PM
Like you I support the rights of marginalized groups to arm themselves in self-defense against oppressive forces!

So a good scope for a Kar98k, suggestions?
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: Brad on April 09, 2021, 04:53:29 PM

"Yeah that's what I fucking thought." About what? What does that have to do with guns, scopes, or politics about guns?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This dude is a faggot troll. Add him to the ignore list.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 05:27:24 PM

"Yeah that's what I fucking thought." About what? What does that have to do with guns, scopes, or politics about guns?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This dude is a faggot troll. Add him to the ignore list.

Brad will die happy and fulfilled after a long life without STDs, while we're telling lies.
Title: Re: A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!
Post by: RPGPundit on April 09, 2021, 06:02:52 PM
What with people reporting each other over nonreportable bullshit, and a topic that doesn't interest me, closed.