A Discussion of The 2nd Amendment, Weapons, and Cool Gun Stuff!

[Brad]

HAHAHAHH!!!! dude you have no idea how much tooth-gnashing I've done about going 9mm.

Then coincidentally last night I saw this Colion Noir video... and your post this morning, and I just died laughing. It's so true.

https://youtu.be/po4nZTO3ES4

Edit: and so we're clear: I'm that guy. I loooooooove .45

Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.

[oggsmash]

Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.

 There is a reason Sam Walker asked Sam Colt to upgrade his revolver to a .45.

[tenbones]

Mythical abilities...utter horseshit. Everything he said is based in reality: God Himself crafted the .45 to stop Satan from descending onto Earth. Proof: has Armageddon happened yet? When it does, it means there is no more .45 ammo left.

Hence .45 is part of my reloading kit once I get it set back up. I'm saving the world from ending.

[tenbones]

I had a bolt action 16 gauge my dad gave me, got stolen with a lot of other guns...apparently was super popular in Central Ohio due to the prohibition on hunting with anything other than a smooth bore "rifle" (something I'll never understand). Oddly enough, the local Walmart sells 16 gauge ammo, so it's probably less weird than you'd think.

EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?

My very first firearm was my dad's old 16-gauge shotgun he used to hunt with as a kid. Little-bitty 3-round magazine with a "spreader" on the muzzle. Bolt-action. Very fun. Wish I still had it.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Well, think about this. In World War I, our doughboys and Marines at Bellue Wood used the .45 pistol. During World War II, our Army and Marines carried the 45 pistol against the Japanese and the Nazis. Same for our troops in the Korean War, and against the Communists in Vietnam.

Through the fat of peacetime, everyone except for the Marine Corps had changed to the 9mm.

Then our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan came. Army soldiers, Rangers, Green Berets, and Navy Seals--were all screaming that the 9mm pistol was weak shit in close quarters hand to hand combat. They demanded to go back to the 45 pistol. Alongside the Marine's testimony, the 45 pistol was again restored to a place of prominence in all of our elite military forces.

From this, even civilian Law Enforcement took notice, and more police departments and individual officers and special units chose to arm up by carrying a 45 pistol. Often a very popular choice for both the military, and Law Enforcement--as well as civilians--was the Glock 45 pistol.

Not the fucking 9mm. *Laughing* The 9mm pistol was kicked to the curb.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[tenbones]

From the Halls of Montezuuuuumaa! To the shores of Tripoliiiiiii!

I'm gonna save my .45 love for me.

[SHARK]

From the Halls of Montezuuuuumaa! To the shores of Tripoliiiiiii!

I'm gonna save my .45 love for me.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Hey brother! I knew you would love that! Yeah, I know the 9mm has been improved. I know many women don't like the size of the 45, and some men prefer the fit and handling of the 9mm. At the end of the day, like you have mentioned, feel what several models of each type feels in your hand. Shoot them, if possible. Select the one you like the best. If you just love the 9mm, then get a good 9mm. Go to the range, and go crazy with firing it, again, and again, and again. Put the center of a quarter out with it. *laughing*. Honestly, passion, practice, expertise, and comfort serve to make something good. I imagine anyone doing that would be fine.

Me, personally? I'm biased. I was trained in the Marines with a Colt 45 pistol. Over, and over, and over, I was told by my instructors, you can trust your life to this pistol. Your fellow Marines lives may depend on YOU and this weapon. Marines forever through the modern era, have gone to war with the 45 at their side. Learn this weapon. Master this weapon.

So, yeah. to this day my Glock 45 pistol is within reach of me, laying in bed. I don't keep it locked up, in a drawer, none of that bullshit. I keep it locked and loaded right there on my nightstand under a pillow. Why? Simplicity, Speed, and Survival. If an armed intruder was to break into your house, how much time do you think YOU would likely have to react EFFECTIVELY to the lethal situation at hand? Then, don't forget, YOU are waking up from sleep, and it's in the fucking dark.

I figure you have 60 seconds to two minutes before you could be jumped on, attacked, and killed.

Even half asleep, and in the dark, I can be armed and ready in about 5 seconds. 10 seconds, tops. Reach, rack, and aim. I'm ready for whatever comes. The good thing about a 45 is that it also doesn't matter how large, how strong, or how fat the enemy is, or what they are wearing. A single round from the 45 is going to put them DOWN. Two for sure will kill them. No one is ever "Lightly Wounded" by a solid strike from a 45 pistol. They are either dead, or they are otherwise really fucked--having an arm blown off, major bleeding from a shattered thigh, enormous blood loss from a side chest or stomach shot. If they aren't dead immediately, they will soon be dead, and fast. They certainly are not going to be interested in whatever mayhem they had planned originally. I plan on the kind of sub-optimal situations--I'm not aiming perfectly, I'm half asleep, in the dark, maybe with more than one assailant.

The 45 makes me very formidable. Boom, one shot to one enemy, they're dead. One shot to another, he's on the ground, screaming, critically bleeding out. Another, maybe my aim was off, and he's just lost a shoulder and arm, as he staggers to get the fuck out and escape...all while bleeding severely, with a ruined arm and shoulder. They aren't thinking about me, or my family. They are truly fucked. And that confidence is partially from the 45's lethal ruggedness and raw power, even if I am not my best, or holding other advantages. This kind of awesome lethal effectiveness--under sub-optimal conditions--is one big reason why I favour the 45 pistol over any other comparable pistol.

My Glock 21, 4th Generation pistol is simple, very accurate, and holds 13 rounds of ammunition. The pistol is easy to shoot, easy to clean and maintain. Slather some CLP on it, scrub with toothbrush, and you are good.

I highly recommend the Glock 45 pistol for self protection, as well as for target shooting and other self defense requirements.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[ffilz]

EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?

No it would be like ATM teller...

Of course it should be smooth bore longarm or something like that...

[Thornhammer]

I have...uh...several guns.

One I really like is a 1911 with a serial number that puts it as a Navy contract frame from 1918.  At some point it was sent off to Clark Custom Guns and turned into a longslide model (based on the inscription it was probably done by Jim Senior).

It is, to say the least, a really nice firearm.  I have two Ruger Mark IIs they worked on, one was one my dad had sent to them back in the late 80s (I think), it is a dream to shoot.  The other I sent to them maybe 12 years ago, it is nice but not as reliable as his.

[Ghostmaker]

Greetings!

*Laughing* Hey brother! I knew you would love that! Yeah, I know the 9mm has been improved. I know many women don't like the size of the 45, and some men prefer the fit and handling of the 9mm. At the end of the day, like you have mentioned, feel what several models of each type feels in your hand. Shoot them, if possible. Select the one you like the best. If you just love the 9mm, then get a good 9mm. Go to the range, and go crazy with firing it, again, and again, and again. Put the center of a quarter out with it. *laughing*. Honestly, passion, practice, expertise, and comfort serve to make something good. I imagine anyone doing that would be fine.

Me, personally? I'm biased. I was trained in the Marines with a Colt 45 pistol. Over, and over, and over, I was told by my instructors, you can trust your life to this pistol. Your fellow Marines lives may depend on YOU and this weapon. Marines forever through the modern era, have gone to war with the 45 at their side. Learn this weapon. Master this weapon.

So, yeah. to this day my Glock 45 pistol is within reach of me, laying in bed. I don't keep it locked up, in a drawer, none of that bullshit. I keep it locked and loaded right there on my nightstand under a pillow. Why? Simplicity, Speed, and Survival. If an armed intruder was to break into your house, how much time do you think YOU would likely have to react EFFECTIVELY to the lethal situation at hand? Then, don't forget, YOU are waking up from sleep, and it's in the fucking dark.

I figure you have 60 seconds to two minutes before you could be jumped on, attacked, and killed.

Even half asleep, and in the dark, I can be armed and ready in about 5 seconds. 10 seconds, tops. Reach, rack, and aim. I'm ready for whatever comes. The good thing about a 45 is that it also doesn't matter how large, how strong, or how fat the enemy is, or what they are wearing. A single round from the 45 is going to put them DOWN. Two for sure will kill them. No one is ever "Lightly Wounded" by a solid strike from a 45 pistol. They are either dead, or they are otherwise really fucked--having an arm blown off, major bleeding from a shattered thigh, enormous blood loss from a side chest or stomach shot. If they aren't dead immediately, they will soon be dead, and fast. They certainly are not going to be interested in whatever mayhem they had planned originally. I plan on the kind of sub-optimal situations--I'm not aiming perfectly, I'm half asleep, in the dark, maybe with more than one assailant.

The 45 makes me very formidable. Boom, one shot to one enemy, they're dead. One shot to another, he's on the ground, screaming, critically bleeding out. Another, maybe my aim was off, and he's just lost a shoulder and arm, as he staggers to get the fuck out and escape...all while bleeding severely, with a ruined arm and shoulder. They aren't thinking about me, or my family. They are truly fucked. And that confidence is partially from the 45's lethal ruggedness and raw power, even if I am not my best, or holding other advantages. This kind of awesome lethal effectiveness--under sub-optimal conditions--is one big reason why I favour the 45 pistol over any other comparable pistol.

My Glock 21, 4th Generation pistol is simple, very accurate, and holds 13 rounds of ammunition. The pistol is easy to shoot, easy to clean and maintain. Slather some CLP on it, scrub with toothbrush, and you are good.

I highly recommend the Glock 45 pistol for self protection, as well as for target shooting and other self defense requirements.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Your comment reminded me of one of the sillier gun-control screeds. 'What if you were searching for your phone and grabbed your gun instead?'.

Because, you know, phones and guns totally feel the same in the dark and have the same weight.

[oggsmash]

Luckily for the peaceful protester who was peacefully striking and chasing the fellow in New Mexico(accompanied by 20-30 other peaceful protesters shouting they would peacefully like to kill the guy), I think he got shot with a 9mm.  But unsure at the moment.  I think the media running with "armed militia" is going to eat shit though when that video gets circulated around.

[tenbones]

Luckily for the peaceful protester who was peacefully striking and chasing the fellow in New Mexico(accompanied by 20-30 other peaceful protesters shouting they would peacefully like to kill the guy), I think he got shot with a 9mm.  But unsure at the moment.  I think the media running with "armed militia" is going to eat shit though when that video gets circulated around.

I just saw that story. Might cause the temperature to notch up. I saw SCOTUS punted on the anti-gun bill yesterday. That was a good thing...

[Ghostmaker]

There are certain things I adhere to when it comes to self-defense. Some of these may or may not be legal; I don't much care.

1) A person who flees is not a valid target. This falls under 'imminent threat'. Note that the recent Atlanta shooting of Brooks doesn't fall under this as he attempted to shoot an officer with a taser. Which leads to...

2) A person who makes an attack action is a valid target. Weaponry is immaterial. People have died or been permanently crippled from the 'knockout game' and that's just a bare-knuckle punch. So to me it is completely irrelevant if you attack me with a fist, an electric hedge trimmer, or an AR-15; you are a valid target for self defense.

3) Self defense is a basic human right. Yes, that means everyone.

4) Self defense does not mean vigilantism. I will admit this is starting to get fuzzy in these times, as police/NG are enjoined from performing their duties and politicians support criminal activity. Suffice to say: unless law and order has completely shit the bed in your area, do not go out and pick fights. Stay on the defense.

Opinions?

[oggsmash]

Took a class in lethal force as it relates to concealed and carry.  The guy teaching said he used to box, he pointed to me, and asked what I do (I have a scar on my forehead, under my eye, and my right ear is mangled) and I told him I run a BJJ Academy, had boxed and still train kickboxing as well,  and he said the standard for self defense is many states is a person of "reasonable firmness" fearing imminent serious bodily harm.   He said to modern people, this is a bloody nose, which someone getting a bloody nose in a boxing gym is called monday, but basically the average person is a huge pussy, and that is the standard for reasonable firmness today. So a bloody nose or reasonable expectation of such, can be used as valid justification, more so if an average person just knows you, and knows you box/wrestle/grapple/whatever pretty much gives them a greenlight to shoot you from a believable verbal threat.  He said, of course verbalization matters, but there is pretty wide lattitude for a citizen to light you up where I live.  

     On your own property you were at one time allowed to use lethal force to stop a felony as well, do not know if that one is still there.  But I do remember it being tested and passing.   No duty to flee, and if the person had a gun, shot at you and then flees, you are greenlight to kill them (a fellow I know personally was the first person in the state to test this portion of castle doctrine back in the 90's)   Self defense expectations of the defendee vary greatly state to state, but the NM shooter would meet the steepest of requirements ( he ran away, tried to mace them, they kept chasing and were a mob).  Where I live he was a green light as soon as the guy came at him with a skateboard.

[oggsmash]

As to picking a fight, I would say, probably best to not go out period.  Just being there is picking a fight to leftists, or at least the media will paint it as such.   If you go out, I would say you are getting into fight, so make a decision like that weighing out all consequences before hand.  The proud boys in NYC, got sentenced to 4 years for winning a fight they did not start.