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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2020, 07:08:00 PM »
I would actually like some tips on buying a gun. Something for home protection and taking to a firing range AND perferrably it won't blow my ears out if I ever have to fire it without ear protection. First question: are revolvers noisier than other pistol-type firearms?

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2020, 07:39:31 PM »
Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?
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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2020, 07:54:13 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2020, 08:03:24 PM »
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Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?




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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2020, 11:47:25 PM »
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I got a 12-gauge Mossberg Maverick 88 with pistol grip and 18 inch barrel for home defense. The spread of buckshot should be pretty tight on impact since the line-of-sight in the house is a max of 30 feet. It's my first gun and I hadn't shot since the Navy Basic, but it seemed prudent to pick up with the stupid shit going on and me getting married soon.


Mossy 88's are fine. The only thing, like my 90, that 'd change is the same thing: ammo capacity. Beyond that they're basically the same. Once you get the grip and stock you want - you really can't beat a Mossberg for the price.

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« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2020, 12:06:26 AM »
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Greetings!

WAIT. You did WHAT? You have left the .45 for the 9mm? Oh fuck man. Come on, my brother! .45 or die! *Laughing*

You know, back in the day, in Guns and Ammo Magazine, there used to be these EPIC debates and after-action reports comparing 9mm with the .45!:D Such fun!

I have heard though, through some advances in ballistic technologies, 9mm's have improved significantly from 10 or 20 years ago.


Stand down Marine! LOL. I know I know I know. My dad is in Valhalla scoffing at me now too. I *still* have my 1911. But the reality is this - ballistics have gotten much better for the 9mm. In fact before I got back into this game (which is every bit, if not more, opinionated than gaming forums) I did a LOT of research and discussion. My brother and his best friends are all operators. He, like me, was born and bred to live and die by the .45 for our sidearms and 7.62 for our rifles. But the overriding factors have happened that got me to change my mind:

1) Ballistics - 9mm have better penetration now than .45's. They still have the issue of tumbling through just about anything - but that's offset by larger capacity. Recoil is a big factor, not for me, but for my family. I'm committing to 9mm now because my wifey and daughter need a slightly lighter load. Bear with me on this - because it's a cunning ruse to move them to larger rounds.
2) Ammo cost and supply - 9mm is WAY cheaper, even now while this madness is upon us. My goal is to get a solid baseline of arms and ammo stored up. .45 ammo is like 30% more expensive. Now... that said, I do have .45 caliber weapons. My parallel goal is to get my reloading station set back up aroung Q1, then I'll be making my own .45 and 9mm at a much cheaper cost.
3) Realities - .45's as much as I dearly love them, seem to have the worst properties by the numbers of all the big rounds. 10mm has more recoil, but it hits harder. 9mm is lighter load, has much better penetration (now) but has much higher capacity. So while it's nominal - I'm happy with a .45, people who I'm very close with that are current operators, have recommended I go 9mm these days. Yeah I had to choke it down... so I'm going to commit.

That all said. I'm likely going to keep my .45 around and maybe next year put together a .45 carbine or something.

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I'm always partial to my Glock 21 .45 pistol, 4th generation. It's a weapon of pure beauty and awesome accuracy and firepower, right out of the box! I have a friend who works at a local gun shop, he's also a Law Enforcement Officer. He says he carries a Glock .45, and has trusted his life with the weapon. When I asked his advice on getting any adjustments to my own weapon, I was surprised to hear him explain to me that "No, my friend. The Glock has been so well-engineered and designed, you don't need to do a thing with it. It is unlikely you would improve on it's accuracy or performance in any meaningful way, and any adjustments could actually decrease the effectiveness of your Glock pistol. I have had my Glock at my side for over 10 years in Law Enforcement, and it has never let me down, at the range, or in action." Damn! Fucking cool though.:D It surprised me, because in all the gun magazines, all the different experts always love tweeking guns with this, and with that. But my police friend firmly said no way. Interesting perspective!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Yeah! I'm going to fully explore my top three choices and whatever my guys recommend me use while I'm doing the CCP process. I'm keeping my mind open. I'm not a brand tribalist per se, especially once I decided to go 9mm. So Glock, S&M and HK are at the top of my list. CZ, SIG, and Ruger are also on the list.

I'm secretly looking forward to one day owning a Chiappa Rhino hehe.

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« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2020, 12:17:47 AM »
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Lol shouldn't this thread be in Other Games?

Dude the similarities of Tribal Wars in fire-arm forums and gaming forums with their editions wars are *identical*.

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« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2020, 02:56:47 AM »
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Dude the similarities of Tribal Wars in fire-arm forums and gaming forums with their editions wars are *identical*.

Ah, I fondly remember my mch yonger (there is a bad btton on my keyboard... can yo gess which one?)... days, when I wold engage in fierce Caliber Wars in between ronds of Edition Wars... good times.... good...times...

Nowadays I can't read the Gon Pron novels withot shaking my head at the silliness of actally thinking 90% of any of that matters.  Yo know its bad when the brand of tactical Khakis teh hero favors are considered worth mentioning (twice as amsing when I have teh same pair mentioned, and wear them for chores like... painting the deck. Totally bad-ass, bro. Totally.)
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« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2020, 08:53:25 AM »
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Bunch of pro 9mm garbage

This is just total bullshit perpetuated by the BIASED gun-ignorant MEDIA. .45 4lyfe!

That said, you mentioned a .45 carbine...I really want to get one of those Henry lever action rifles in .357 to go along with the cowboy action revolver. One cartridge to carry, just like the old days. I think they probably used 44-40s or something but those aren't as easy to get as .38/.357s.

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« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2020, 10:37:26 AM »
Shoot one of those Colt single-action Army revolvers in .45 Colt. That round has -authority-.

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« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2020, 11:15:33 AM »
I have questions from the perspective of someone that knows he is a bad shot.  (My depth perception sucks, especially in any kind of situation with lighting issues.)  Also, I'm rather slight in build, and would like my wife to go to the range as well.  Of course budget is always a concern, but I'd rather have a 1-3 very reliable, easy to maintain options than get too cheap with something that will be difficult to maintain.

Also, I'm unlikely to be confronted with a riot at home.  If it gets that bad, we are already in open shooting war, and I'm toast anyway.  More likely to see meth heads breaking and entering.

1. I have a 20 gauge and 410.  I've shot 12 gauge before, even an old 8 gauge once.  (I was offered a chance to shoot a 6 gauge, but given that I was 10 years old and the 8 almost knocked me down, decided to pass. :) )  I can handle a 12, but would rather not.  I know my wife can't handle a 12.  I'd think a 20 would be plenty, especially at the top of a flight of stairs.  Any reason why not under my circumstance, especially considering I'm more comfortable already with the 20?

2. What's the next option--pistol or rifle? Reading all the above, the 9 mm sounds like a good option to me.  

I have no current plans to apply for conceal carry, though that might change if it gets worse.

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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2020, 12:02:10 PM »
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This is just total bullshit perpetuated by the BIASED gun-ignorant MEDIA. .45 4lyfe!

That said, you mentioned a .45 carbine...I really want to get one of those Henry lever action rifles in .357 to go along with the cowboy action revolver. One cartridge to carry, just like the old days. I think they probably used 44-40s or something but those aren't as easy to get as .38/.357s.

HAHAHAHH!!!! dude you have no idea how much tooth-gnashing I've done about going 9mm.

Then coincidentally last night I saw this Colion Noir video... and your post this morning, and I just died laughing. It's so true.

https://youtu.be/po4nZTO3ES4

Edit: and so we're clear: I'm that guy. I loooooooove .45
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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2020, 12:35:32 PM »
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I have questions from the perspective of someone that knows he is a bad shot.  (My depth perception sucks, especially in any kind of situation with lighting issues.)  Also, I'm rather slight in build, and would like my wife to go to the range as well.  Of course budget is always a concern, but I'd rather have a 1-3 very reliable, easy to maintain options than get too cheap with something that will be difficult to maintain.

The only thing that will mitigate these things, generally, is practice. Mechanically - I'd recommend getting good optics, with depth-perception issues, you probably want to get a red-dot optic (or find a color that suits you). There are plenty of optics out there that are cheap but good quality. I suggest the SIG Romeo series. Super-durable, 50k-hr battery life, and they clock in around $100+.

Nothing will help you more than range-time.

Also - if/when you choose a pistol: pick a small round with less recoil, 9mm, or even a .380 and avoid compact sizes, get a full-size pistol to help absorb some of that recoil. That will help your aim a lot and reduce the learning curve on your perception issue. My mom is 4'11" and her favorite firearm is my Smith and Wesson .45 revolver conversion. It's a HEAVY hand-cannon, but the recoil is shockingly light. She's not shooting the heads off of flies or anything with it - but she'll drop a round center-mass easy enough.


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Also, I'm unlikely to be confronted with a riot at home.  If it gets that bad, we are already in open shooting war, and I'm toast anyway.  More likely to see meth heads breaking and entering.

1. I have a 20 gauge and 410.  I've shot 12 gauge before, even an old 8 gauge once.  (I was offered a chance to shoot a 6 gauge, but given that I was 10 years old and the 8 almost knocked me down, decided to pass. :) )  I can handle a 12, but would rather not.  I know my wife can't handle a 12.  I'd think a 20 would be plenty, especially at the top of a flight of stairs.  Any reason why not under my circumstance, especially considering I'm more comfortable already with the 20?

20-gauge is fine. 12-gauge is optimal. 8-gauge is for hunting T-Rexes. Stick with what you're comfortable with.

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2. What's the next option--pistol or rifle? Reading all the above, the 9 mm sounds like a good option to me.  

I have no current plans to apply for conceal carry, though that might change if it gets worse.

For home-defense - since you already have a shot-gun, I think a pistol (or two) is a smart move. I say two in case your wife is on board. Rifles are a good choice... but there are a LOT of caveats to that which I'll toss my two-coppers about below. 9mm, based on what you're saying above sounds solid. It's a light-round with good ballistics and any full-sized pistol will give you a lot of capacity. Of course if you get a Glock, you can get extended mags that can put 30-rds in your weapon. The most important thing for you when purchasing a pistol, far beyond anything I tell you is: Go to a range and shoot a variety of pistols in a variety of ammo-types.

9mm pistols have so much variety it will make your head spin. And this is true of .45, .40, 10mm, .357's too. Honestly, you need to get on the range and just go with what feels good in your hand. Glocks feel different than HK's which are different than SIG's etc. And keep in mind, you can modify your weapon of choice to really dial it in in terms of grips, optics, trigger - it's very common. Your local gun-range will likely have people on staff to help you figure all that out. Trust them.

Rifles - Like pistols, you need to have a clear idea about the purpose of the weapon is for. Home defense? Well what kind of home to do you live in? The environs you live in should be a real consideration. If you live in fairly close-quarters, the configuration of your rifle for optimal use might be important to you. If you want general "all-around" utility - that would be a different set of parameters. Basic AR-15's are easy enough to put-together or purchase off the rack without much fuss. But only you can decide for, in this case, "home defense" what that actually means.

Upthread I mentioned with SHARK that I'm going with two AR-15's. One is going to be a general-purpose all-around weapon. It won't have telescopic sights or anything, just a red-dot. I live in a sub-urb but I'm backed up against a wooded area with open ground, plus long wide streets. So for me, something that is close/mid-range including close-quarters seems logical. I'm also making a CQB-specific AR-pistol. Which is largely exclusively for close-quarters inside the house, but in a pinch can deal with close-range stuff if needs be.

But for range... I'm going to build a dedicated long-range rifle that uses an entirely different round and it will be specifically for hitting things a loooooong ways away. Not really designed for home-defense, I intend on starting to hunt in the near future. Filipinos and Boar are like Peanutbutter n' Jelly.

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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2020, 01:46:24 PM »
I own several firearms:
Ruger 556
S & W 686 .357 magnum
.22 LR revolver
.22 LR Luger
2 16 gauge shotguns (yes, 16 gauge. they're....weird. long story)
Winchester model 1894 carbine in .32 Winchester (1940s)
Winchester model 1894 rifle in .32 Winchester (low serial #: was made in 1903)

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« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2020, 02:17:51 PM »
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2 16 gauge shotguns (yes, 16 gauge. they're....weird. long story)

I had a bolt action 16 gauge my dad gave me, got stolen with a lot of other guns...apparently was super popular in Central Ohio due to the prohibition on hunting with anything other than a smooth bore "rifle" (something I'll never understand). Oddly enough, the local Walmart sells 16 gauge ammo, so it's probably less weird than you'd think.

EDIT: smooth bore rifle...is that like ATM machine?
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