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Greetings!

In another thread, Tenbones responded to a picture of my AR-15 Rifle, and he mentioned that we should start a discussion thread about guns and stuff. So, here we are. The 2nd Amendment, pics of guns, performances, experiences, ammo, gear, all the fun things. And of course any hunting or shooting stories and experiences you have.

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This is my BCM AR-15 Rifle, 5.56mm Nato. I have a Talon Eagle Scope mounted on it, a Red-Dot Sight on the right side, and a very nice bipod mount. I have various 30-round magazines for it, though for this picture I put my 60-round Drum Magazine on it. The BCM AR-15 Rifle is very rugged, and an outstanding battle rifle in every respect. The BCM AR-15 is virtually unanimously acclaimed as certainly one of the finest versions of the AR-15 Rifle produced on the market. I used to have the lighter, folding stock for the rifle, but because I'm a Marine veteran that trained with the M-16 A2, as well as the SAW, I'm more comfortable with a heavier stock that sits at my shoulder. Thus, I had a Sniper stock mounted on my rifle, which for me, provides greater comfort and stability. Some experts believe that the Sniper stock provides a significant increase in overall accuracy downrange.

I also have a custom, target trigger on the rifle, which makes the trigger-pull smooth as butter, like 2 or 3-pounds. It's a dream to shoot, with a gentle recoil. The weapon has performed with outstanding accuracy with rounds downrange forming consistent, tight groups. The weapon is also surprisingly light and agile. It's "whoa!" levels of light and agile. My experience with my BCM AR-15 has been entirely outstanding, and I highly recommend this weapon for anyone.

As far as price-tag, I invested about $4,000 dollars US into this weapon. $1400 for the basic rifle, another $2,000 for the scope, red-dot sight, bipod, sniper scope, sling, several 30-round magazines, the 60-round Drum magazine, and an awesome complete cleaning kit with extra supplies. Then about $600 dollars US for some extra 30-round magazines, and about 1500 rounds of 5.56mm Nato ammunition. A gunsmith at one of my local gun stores--which also has an inside pistol and rifle gunrange--is an Army veteran of Afghanistan, and he graciously spent two hours or so of his own time to build this animal for me. Interestingly, it is the same rifle and set up that he personally uses as well. He showed me photos of his own BCM AR-15 Rifle, tricked out with all the same goodies. He explained to me that the BCM AR-15 Rifle is outstandingly rugged and accurate, and a weapon you can trust your life with. He told me that he used the same AR-15 rifle in Afghanistan, and also trusted his own life and others with the weapon. So, I also highly recommend this excellent rifle for anyone.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 09:13:10 AM »
I have a couple of guns, but do not shoot very often (enough to maintain some competence) or hunt anymore.  I did A LOT of both as a kid with my father (who was a BLET firearms instructor and avid hunter).  But I did not care so much for shooting as an adult, since I had to go when I was a kid, whether I wanted to or not.  I have always been a 2nd amendment advocate, despite not owning a firearm till I was almost 40.  

   I remember we had a discussion about this in a class in college as a freshmen (I was older, at 25, being a navy veteran, where I was a nuc(nuclear power plant mechanic)) and being sort of shocked at how easily I was able to sway the class and the professor (well she was working on a PhD and about my age at the time) on their stance on firearm ownership.  Then (and now) I am a fit 200 pound man who knows how to fight, and trained all the time how to fight and works out.   But I told them, what chance would any of them have if one of the defensive linemen on the football team (D1 school, so huge guys) wanted to beat them to death.  Zero. I told them I didnt like my  chances either, so should I just be allowed to be beaten to death by a huge strong person?  Should they?  I also told them if I could snap my fingers and there were no firearms in the nation, I would.   But that would mean no guns for anyone, no stateside military, no police, no one.   But that is a goofy fantasy, and we are a nation that was founded on the empowerment of the individual and self determination and ability to defend oneself from ALL threats.  

  I think an extremely common, and really stupid myth I see from the left is it takes some enormous amount of training to be effective defending yourself with a firearm.  That is bullshit.   If you are going to defend yourself with your hands and feet, against all comers, there is a whole lot of training and effort in that, and no guarantees regardless of your odds stacking.  A firearm is an equalizer, and to defend oneself, it could often be without a shot fired.   Practice, especially around safety is important and of course everyone should, but it takes little training to stop a person breaking into your front door in the middle of the night.  Extended firefights with drug cartels, not the same as 99.9999 percent of self defense scenarios,, yet the press acts as if you have to be John Matrix to have a chance of effectively using a gun under duress.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2020, 10:28:59 AM »
I have:

AR-15 ((brand new, never been shot, gonna rectify that this weekend)
Mossberg 590
1911
9mm
Glock 22
.380
Ruger 10/22
30-06

Really want an autoloader shotgun like those Benellis, and maybe a Beretta 9. Next gun will probably be a cowboy action .357, though.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2020, 10:33:11 AM »
My brother just got a 10/22, and I have always liked them.  That is a very handy little gun.  I think my son is about ready to move up from the rifle he has now, so I can justify nabbing one this summer.

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2020, 10:46:13 AM »
I am lazy, I need more time at the range. I own a Ruger P89 and a Precision MK III, as well as a .22 LR rifle and a classic Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun.

I will note that everything you've ever heard about the Precision Mk III being a pain in the ass to disassemble and reassemble is the honest truth. It took both my father and I, and my cellphone showing videos of the pistol, two hours to figure out how to properly reassemble it after stripping it to clean. Jesus.

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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2020, 12:06:20 PM »
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My brother just got a 10/22, and I have always liked them.  That is a very handy little gun.  I think my son is about ready to move up from the rifle he has now, so I can justify nabbing one this summer.

Considering you can buy a box of .22 for like $10 (if you can find it...), it's probably the most inexpensive and useful firearm you can own. Great for plinking and goofing around, low recoil and report so you don't go deaf without ear protection, excellent way to teach youngsters proper safety and maintenance, can kill anything under 50 pounds with a single shot, deer if you're REALLY good, and with a banana clip makes a decent defense weapon as you can you spray and pray. IDGAF what anyone thinks, you pepper some perp with 20 rounds of .22, he is either going to die, run away, or kill you, and in the last case you were probably done for anyway as you're probably dealing with someone who just overdosed on PCP.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2020, 12:13:34 PM »
I confess my sins. Last saturday, instead of Gaming, I and my gaming buddies went to the range.  There we did shoot our pistols (I have an HK USP .45, a .44 Magnum Mare's Leg, and a Ruger LCR, my buddy brought a Glock .40 and a 1911 of some sort...), Shotguns (12 gauges both, his a classic 870 modified to take magazines, mine a brand spanky new Winchester autoloader), and Rifles (Buddy: Classic AR-15 in 5.56... he had a Bucket of Freedom), while I fired my first ever rounds through my Savage Arms .308 bolt action, and a few more rounds through my heirloom Mannlicher .270 Winchester Bolt action.

Much fun was had, but no dice rolling.  


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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2020, 12:14:54 PM »
Yeah, my son was eyeballing it, I think he has outgrown his Savage Rascal.  But that was a fantastic gun to learn on, I think the 10/22 with length, weight and balance is a good next move.  After having a single shot bolt action, he seems to appreciate semi auto a whole lot too.

   But for perps, I have better options for that, though I agree even a .22 is no fun to have hit you.    I should probably go ahead and grab a .12 gauge, been putting that off for years.  I think of it as being the best in the house show stopper you could ask for.  I can not imagine shooting one in a house with no hearing protection though.  Even a miss is going to produce a route IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2020, 05:29:07 PM »
With all that has been going on, I've begun saving up for a gun.

I'm torn between a rifle or a pistol, and I'm trying to think of a reliable but also relatively cheap firearm (preferably under the $500 mark if possible) and in an affordable and easy to find caliber like .22 LR, .38 Special, 9mm, .223 Remington, stuff like that.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2020, 05:45:22 PM »
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I have a couple of guns, but do not shoot very often (enough to maintain some competence) or hunt anymore.  I did A LOT of both as a kid with my father (who was a BLET firearms instructor and avid hunter).  But I did not care so much for shooting as an adult, since I had to go when I was a kid, whether I wanted to or not.  I have always been a 2nd amendment advocate, despite not owning a firearm till I was almost 40.  

   I remember we had a discussion about this in a class in college as a freshmen (I was older, at 25, being a navy veteran, where I was a nuc(nuclear power plant mechanic)) and being sort of shocked at how easily I was able to sway the class and the professor (well she was working on a PhD and about my age at the time) on their stance on firearm ownership.  Then (and now) I am a fit 200 pound man who knows how to fight, and trained all the time how to fight and works out.   But I told them, what chance would any of them have if one of the defensive linemen on the football team (D1 school, so huge guys) wanted to beat them to death.  Zero. I told them I didnt like my  chances either, so should I just be allowed to be beaten to death by a huge strong person?  Should they?  I also told them if I could snap my fingers and there were no firearms in the nation, I would.   But that would mean no guns for anyone, no stateside military, no police, no one.   But that is a goofy fantasy, and we are a nation that was founded on the empowerment of the individual and self determination and ability to defend oneself from ALL threats.  

  I think an extremely common, and really stupid myth I see from the left is it takes some enormous amount of training to be effective defending yourself with a firearm.  That is bullshit.   If you are going to defend yourself with your hands and feet, against all comers, there is a whole lot of training and effort in that, and no guarantees regardless of your odds stacking.  A firearm is an equalizer, and to defend oneself, it could often be without a shot fired.   Practice, especially around safety is important and of course everyone should, but it takes little training to stop a person breaking into your front door in the middle of the night.  Extended firefights with drug cartels, not the same as 99.9999 percent of self defense scenarios,, yet the press acts as if you have to be John Matrix to have a chance of effectively using a gun under duress.

Greetings!

Navy veteran, Ogg? Nice, my friend!

You're right. The leftists try and exaggerate the required training. To hear them, everyone needs to be a SWAT officer to keep from accidentally shooting someone or themselves. Training is about a weekend of study and tests. Then, honestly, it is about constant reinforcement and consciousness amongst yourself and your group, every day, or whenever dealing with firearms. Reminding each other, weapons are always loaded until you personally verify; weapons always pointed in a safe direction, and on and on. My buddies remind each other of safety consciousness all the time while at the range, hunting, or just hanging out doing reloading.

Semper Fidelis,

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2020, 06:00:04 PM »
Taking my wife out to the range this weekend.  She's getting ready to sign up for her Concealed Carry course and wants to shoot a bit first.  Haven't shot my AR-15 in awhile, so I'm stoked.  Need to get to the range more often.  Looking into a small 9mm or a .380 for her to carry.
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2020, 06:28:13 PM »
Quote from: The Spaniard;1133910
Taking my wife out to the range this weekend.  She's getting ready to sign up for her Concealed Carry course and wants to shoot a bit first.  Haven't shot my AR-15 in awhile, so I'm stoked.  Need to get to the range more often.  Looking into a small 9mm or a .380 for her to carry.

From what I hear, .380 loads these days have much better ballistics than they used to without a major increase in recoil, to the point that they are definitely a valid option to 9mm.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2020, 07:02:45 PM »
Quote from: Brad;1133834
I have:

AR-15 ((brand new, never been shot, gonna rectify that this weekend)
Mossberg 590
1911
9mm
Glock 22
.380
Ruger 10/22
30-06

Really want an autoloader shotgun like those Benellis, and maybe a Beretta 9. Next gun will probably be a cowboy action .357, though.


Greetings!

Brad, that's quite a gun collection! Salute! I love it! Have fun this weekend with that AR-15!:D

Semper Fidelis,

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"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2020, 07:06:10 PM »
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I confess my sins. Last saturday, instead of Gaming, I and my gaming buddies went to the range.  There we did shoot our pistols (I have an HK USP .45, a .44 Magnum Mare's Leg, and a Ruger LCR, my buddy brought a Glock .40 and a 1911 of some sort...), Shotguns (12 gauges both, his a classic 870 modified to take magazines, mine a brand spanky new Winchester autoloader), and Rifles (Buddy: Classic AR-15 in 5.56... he had a Bucket of Freedom), while I fired my first ever rounds through my Savage Arms .308 bolt action, and a few more rounds through my heirloom Mannlicher .270 Winchester Bolt action.

Much fun was had, but no dice rolling.  


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Greetings!

Sounds fucking awesome, Spike! Lock and Load, my friend!

You used to have more guns, but you got divorced? *laughing* Ahh, man. You know that's so true. I have many friends that have experienced the same. Rebuild, sir! REBUILD!

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2020, 07:06:51 PM »
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From what I hear, .380 loads these days have much better ballistics than they used to without a major increase in recoil, to the point that they are definitely a valid option to 9mm.
Thanks for the heads up.  I already have a few 9mm, so I'm leaning toward the .380.