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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2760 on: January 07, 2021, 11:27:37 PM »
I may have made mistake today yet glad I did I took two screen clippings that show the hypocrisy of many of the left and how when their side riots it's ok when the other does it it is "domestic terrorism" etc. from this thread. Posted something on my Facebook and lets just say Leftists especially in 2020 do't like having their bullshit thrown back in their faces or their hypocrisy called out.

Let's just say many of more Leftist friends have shown themselves to be both armchair terrorists who support rioting. Burn, Loot and Murder and Thugtifa yet when those on the Right do it" Suddenly it's wrong and immoran and those engaging in it are "terrorists" . When I called them out on how they can accept the first and not be against violence in general. I either:

Did not get the context

It's all well and good for BLM and ThugTifa to do it because of reasons and feels everyone else especially an ideological opponent is a terrorist

The end justify the means when they approve it and supports their narrative

Don't go there and be quiet



Did I mention they REALLY fucking hate having their bullshit and hypocrisy tossed in their faces.

While I am still friends with many some even from high school I lost both a lot of respect and a lot of trust. Some frankly scare me as they would clap and cheer as their neigborhood is being burned down in the name of BLM and Thigtifa. After all the cause is righteous.

If anything the last few days taught me the Left as whole is filled with hypocrites who suddenly pretend fake innocence and ignored the same behavior when their approved factions and organizations did the same thing. If Trump won they would have done the same thing. Except they would have been labelled Heroes! by the media and Leftists.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2021, 11:32:12 PM by sureshot »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2761 on: January 07, 2021, 11:30:18 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2762 on: January 07, 2021, 11:35:02 PM »
tl;dr: Real life crept up ~ losing service for a while ~ got work anyway ~ be back l8r!

OOooooh! It IS a show! All this time I thought you were a nutcase. Someone earlier said you were playing the role of a character and I didn't buy it, but sure enough, they were right.

Yeah, really depressing seeing some of my favorite posters from the game discussion side of things posting masturbatory fantasies about righteous bloodshed.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2763 on: January 07, 2021, 11:59:34 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.


Oh I got this one:

It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.

Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2764 on: January 08, 2021, 12:20:19 AM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.


Oh I got this one:

It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.

Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/admin/a-capitol-police-officer-who-was-seriously-injured-wednesday-remains-on-life-support.amp.html

Or is it fake news?   I thought I read something like 30 officers were injured.  Or are they lying.  Blue  Lives Matter.  WTF happen to that?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2021, 12:22:09 AM by myleftnut »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2765 on: January 08, 2021, 12:26:37 AM »
Yeah, I called that one, and it was an easy one, but there are a lot of people here that are just playing characters, and a lot of fake nonsense here. Even some of the people that are total raging asshats in their posts can have civil conversations over on the gaming side of the forum or in PMs. But here? Everyone is just here for Thunderdome.
Not everyone.

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« Reply #2766 on: January 08, 2021, 12:48:32 AM »
Looks like there was some confusion about the officer dying as opposed to being on life support.  Looks like he finally died. 
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
Unless the USCP website is the left wing media. 

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2767 on: January 08, 2021, 12:50:05 AM »
My last message of despair ~ Keep things lively until my return!
Also... Here's some things to mull over, my GIFT of DESPAIR:
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Last informational briefing before my forced vacation:
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THE STORMING OF THE CAPITAL, VIOLENCE EVERYWHERE: https://twitter.com/SiIasSavant/status/1346918693234683905
POLICE, doing their JOB, rounding up the PROTESTERS: https://twitter.com/DGPurser/status/1346978155681247234
WHITE NATIONALISTS threatening EVERYONE'S SAFETY: https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1347006265080356864
THE TRUTH: https://twitter.com/pastorlocke/status/1346956977717567492

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? THE FINAL SOLUTION: https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1347185999995142145
AND TRUMP? EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TUNE: https://twitter.com/davidcicilline/status/1347228936594477057

Former first lady Michelle Obama calls on tech companies to permanently ban President Trump from their platforms and put policies in place “to prevent their technology from being used by the nation’s leaders to fuel insurrection.”

AND WHAT DID I SAY? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-zuckerberg-bans-president-trump-using-facebook-indefinitely/
                    https://twitter.com/HYVEE7/status/1347228991665688579

GET READY FOR IT: https://twitter.com/FCC/status/1347223453166931969

READ & UNDERSTAND: https://twitter.com/BrianTh37895972/status/1347170907274547203

This is not a drill. This is not a joke. War is coming. This is what I warned. This is what you wanted. The STORM IS COMING.
AND FOR THE PATRIOTS WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES ON THE 6th? TWAS THE SHOT HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD!
THE DEEP STATE'S Crime Of Treason HAS BEEN COMPLETED!
Why did Trump wait until now, this very moment? What did ‘We The People’ just witness? Trump can see the DC board very clearly now. How do you drain a swamp? How do you have the swamp creatures expose themselves? Swamp creatures will only come out from the shadows when they feel safe. Trump needed to ‘hold the line’ for the right moment Aren’t we still in a National Emergency? What did Trump say yesterday in DC? “You don’t concede when there’s THEFT!” Trump is now free from the Rebublican party, they betrayed ? Trump is now FREE to do what he’s always WANTED to do= Drain The Swamp!

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2768 on: January 08, 2021, 12:55:41 AM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.


Oh I got this one:

It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.

Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames

No one fights the cops? Seriously? The MAGA idiots killed a cop.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2021, 12:58:45 AM by Daztur »

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2769 on: January 08, 2021, 01:39:27 AM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.


Neither one is like the other, because one of them is a hypothetical scenario and the other one is a strawman you constructed.

So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

Let's compare two situations shall we?
A. Someone punches my teeth out and then I punch them in self defense.
B. Someone watches TV and sees some BLM people being violent and then next year they fly across the country and fight some cops.


Oh I got this one:

It’s the one where no one actually fights the cops and just wanders around taking selfies.

Two seconds on DuckDuckGo can find the other sort with Washington in flames

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/admin/a-capitol-police-officer-who-was-seriously-injured-wednesday-remains-on-life-support.amp.html

Or is it fake news?   I thought I read something like 30 officers were injured.  Or are they lying.  Blue  Lives Matter.  WTF happen to that?

I didn't know about that till earlier tonight and don't the circumstances around that. I did see a couple of videos of cops beating people up and throwing tear gas, so who knows how any of that happened. The guy killing a cop with a fire extinguisher sounds fucked up, though, so I disavow.

But I'm not really a "Blue Lives Matter" type, but more like "Fuck the Police". My main point of disagreement with BLM is the racebaiting and misinformation, not my general sentiments about the police.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2770 on: January 08, 2021, 01:56:38 AM »
Check this out.


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« Reply #2771 on: January 08, 2021, 02:06:42 AM »
That's perfectly reasonable. Presidential even.

I have no problem with the speech. The thing is, that if *I* had said these words:

Quote from: Donald Trump
America is and must always be a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.

We have just been through an intense election and emotions are high. But now, tempers must be cooled and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America.

then I would be blasted here as a Marxist cocksucker for attacking those good American protesters.

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« Reply #2772 on: January 08, 2021, 02:10:53 AM »
I may have made mistake today yet glad I did I took two screen clippings that show the hypocrisy of many of the left and how when their side riots it's ok when the other does it it is "domestic terrorism" etc. from this thread.

I generally keep my political opinions to myself on social media. I use it to keep in contact with family and friends in other states, and to be connected with local gaming groups.

And mostly because, as we've seen here, political arguments online go nowhere fast and only generate indignant reactions.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2773 on: January 08, 2021, 02:23:07 AM »
I didn't know about that till earlier tonight and don't the circumstances around that. I did see a couple of videos of cops beating people up and throwing tear gas, so who knows how any of that happened. The guy killing a cop with a fire extinguisher sounds fucked up, though, so I disavow.

Hey, by killing a cop that hero saved some innocent,unarmed black man from getting gunned down in the future!  ;)

But I'm not really a "Blue Lives Matter" type, but more like "Fuck the Police". My main point of disagreement with BLM is the racebaiting and misinformation, not my general sentiments about the police.

Yeah, I keep asking all the 'defund the police' people where they were 30+ years ago when the "war" on drugs began and the government started handing military hardware to the cops and letting them do no-knock raids...

All I seem to get are blank stares. Go figure.
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« Reply #2774 on: January 08, 2021, 06:13:26 AM »
Or is it fake news?   I thought I read something like 30 officers were injured.  Or are they lying.  Blue  Lives Matter.  WTF happen to that?

They were Covid related injuries.

Probably should have stayed home to flatten the curve.
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