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Author Topic: 2020 Election Commentary  (Read 110827 times)

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2730 on: January 07, 2021, 06:23:14 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2731 on: January 07, 2021, 06:25:12 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2732 on: January 07, 2021, 06:35:06 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
 

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2733 on: January 07, 2021, 06:43:09 PM »
In the early part of this thread - way back in November I predicted yesterday's violence - I just thought it would happen on Janury 20th....

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2734 on: January 07, 2021, 07:01:47 PM »
I'll say that the rioters should have been dealt with physical force to enforce the law, every BLM riot and the riot in Washington DC yesterday.

But that ship sailed. Violence is how America resolves political issues now.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2735 on: January 07, 2021, 07:06:28 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

It’s not really relevant anymore because one of those has already occurred.  Therefore both should be treated the same.

If they want to issue new guidance starting tomorrow that is equally applied to both; I.e. both sides end up in prison, neither side gets sympathetic DAs, etc, then that’s fine

But no, people shouldn’t uphold rhetoric that isn’t universally applied-in-fact.  It’s aspirational, only, until such time.

If you use unrestricted submarine warfare and urban terror bombing in violation of the treaty rules of war, so will we.  The principle of matching your enemies actions instead of past words is established and accepted.

Nice way to alinsky conservatives though, always holding them to past rhetoric.  I think that’s your primary role here.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2736 on: January 07, 2021, 07:10:23 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

They're not making a reasoned argument about political violence, they're just making excuses. It's the logic of a five year old "wah, wah, why are you blaming me, he did it first!" Because obviously you get a freebie to do anything bad as long as someone whose politics you don't like also did something vaguely similar. No sense of personal responsibility whatsoever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I agree. If someone punches you around and knocks your teeth out that doesn't justify you punching them back. And just because they faced no consequences for what they did that doesn't mean you shouldn't either if you fight back. Violence is NEVER justified. You should just take your toothless grin and walk out. That's the grownup thing to do.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2737 on: January 07, 2021, 07:19:42 PM »
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2738 on: January 07, 2021, 07:20:52 PM »
This discussion is sufficiently stupid that I hesitate to focus on just one thing, but a key factor that makes yesterday's insurrection unique was its purpose, which was to halt a critical function of congress and overturn an election in order to support an unconstitutional power grab. It was not simply a protest that got out of hand.  The correct point of comparison would be something like a BLM protest that then overran the whitehouse, drove the administration into a bunker, while goaded on by some political figure, say, Nancy Pelosi, to advance the case that she should be installed as president. Of course nothing  remotely resembling that has ever occurred.

p.s., all of you who are happy about or rationalizing what happened are traitorous fascists who deserve to have your every wish and dream crushed.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2739 on: January 07, 2021, 07:25:05 PM »
It actually is just a protest that got out of hand.  If it were all of the other things mentioned, there would have been coordination after the march to the capital building between the protesters and elements of the military and/or intel agencies.

Just like in other coups (military) and color revolutions (intel agencies)
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2740 on: January 07, 2021, 07:30:53 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.

That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

If you are going to be fair then you should treat them the same.

So no point in discussing what *should* have been done.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2741 on: January 07, 2021, 07:34:00 PM »
p.s., all of you who are happy about or rationalizing what happened are traitorous fascists who deserve to have your every wish and dream crushed.

Come on now.  Just tell us what you really think.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2742 on: January 07, 2021, 07:44:45 PM »
So do you think that those breaking into the Capitol building should have been dealt with just as harshly as you advocated for those who rioted and vandalized in Portland, Seattle, and Kenosha? I believe that those who vandalize and engage in violence should be arrested and charged, regardless of their cause. Would you agree?

Do we have enough wet bus tickets to slap the Washington Patriots with?  If we are going to deal with them just as harshly as the Portland rioters I mean.



That's just dodging the question. You're calling out the other side as hypocritical -- but are you going to stand against hypocrisy?

What *should* have been done with both the Portland rioters and the Washington rioters?

Obviously they should be treated the same by the law...and that precedent was set earlier this year wasn't it?

But then my belief system is based on application the Golden Rule, so I kind of think everyone should be treated as equal by the government...we'll see how that turns out...
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2743 on: January 07, 2021, 07:47:07 PM »
This discussion is sufficiently stupid that I hesitate to focus on just one thing, but a key factor that makes yesterday's insurrection unique was its purpose, which was to halt a critical function of congress and overturn an election in order to support an unconstitutional power grab. It was not simply a protest that got out of hand.  The correct point of comparison would be something like a BLM protest that then overran the whitehouse, drove the administration into a bunker, while goaded on by some political figure, say, Nancy Pelosi, to advance the case that she should be installed as president. Of course nothing  remotely resembling that has ever occurred.

p.s., all of you who are happy about or rationalizing what happened are traitorous fascists who deserve to have your every wish and dream crushed.

Nice framing, but its fundamental issue (and this is something that has become commonplace over the past few years and fomented by the media) is that you're assigning a specific set of goals and motivations for a group of people that you haven't even met or contacted, much less consulted, then presenting it as objective fact while inserting additional events that didn't took place, but you insist they did, and also removing additional context that may affect the framing (such as people being assaulted or even murdered by BLM/ANTIFA protesters or thugs, while non of these Trump supporting protesters actually assaulted anyone). You don't know for a fact WTF was going on through those people's minds as they stormed into Capitol, and Trump wasn't standing behind them goading them into anything. But the media keeps insisting that they know the specific plans of these "Insurrectionist" protesters had in mind and that Trump was goading them, despite Trump never telling anyone to storm Capitol (and in fact telling them not to do anything stupid) and none of these protesters being contacted to discern their motives. And so do you. And you seem incapable of differentiating from your personal opinion and objective reality, or recognizing your own bias in this.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2744 on: January 07, 2021, 08:04:26 PM »
Instead of making shit up, maybe you chuckleheads should give a listen to someone who was actually there.



I just started listening to it myself, so I don't know what she has to say, but it's got more relevance than anybody here does.
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