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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2700 on: January 07, 2021, 11:37:55 AM »
Greetings!

Salty Cracker discusses the Leftists and the MSM narrative about the rally in DC. Excellent commentary.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2701 on: January 07, 2021, 12:13:08 PM »
They will never support the neocons as your days are just as numbered Mistwell.  They may have left Trump, but they are still nationalists.  They will destroy the GOP, or make it something completely different.

I never voted before Trump, and now I plan to go back to not voting. The GOP can suck my left nut while the Dems suck my right one.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2702 on: January 07, 2021, 12:24:09 PM »
Greetings!

Salty Cracker discusses the Leftists and the MSM narrative about the rally in DC. Excellent commentary.

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The entire media narrative surrounding this incident is complete bullshit. We've been seeing giant BLM/ANTIFA riots for months now causing mass destruction of businesses and private property, with innocent people being attacked and sometimes killed, and the media excusing it and cheering it on at every turn. People taking over whole swaths of territory inside US states and declaring it autonomous zones in defiance of state authority, and the media just romanticized it. Yet the ONE time Trump supporters have a large protest and a relatively small group (compared to the hundreds of thousands that showed up in DC) breaks away and decides to storm a government building that's public property on their own initiative (after Trump told them not to start shit earlier that day)--not assaulting anyone, just breaking windows to get in--this is suddenly an INSURRECTION personally led by Trump to stage a coup.

And if you look at the videos, the cops in Capitol building where woefully unprepared. They even moved the barricades at one point to let people in, and there were only a handful of cops guarding the building inside, taking selfies with people and stuff. Hundreds of billions of dollars since 9/11 going into counter terrorism measures in training and equipment for DECADES now, yet a bunch of unarmed and genuinely "largely peaceful" civilians somehow get into the seat of the US government with minimal effort or opposition. It's almost like they let it happen on purpose.

But I'm SURE that this wasn't intentional, and that they didn't let those people in just to make Trump look bad and have an excuse to throw him out, though. It was merely a coincidence that they barely had any cops in that building after weeks of media hype and "fears" that Trump might try something leading up to this event. Nah, this was Trump's military genius getting people to storm that building, through guts and strategy and cheer determination in order to stage a coup. They definitely didn't let those people in so they could spin this narrative and turn months of talk about voter fraud into a discussion about how violent and unruly Trump supporters are.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2703 on: January 07, 2021, 12:31:29 PM »
From posts here and elsewhere, I'm sure Trump thought he could count on a legion of his supporters to actually wage war on his behalf - like two weeks ago people on this very board were posting how Trump was literally declaring war and talking about how awesome that would be. 

Well, turns out the MAGA-wearing Nationalist Xenophobes are pussies. 

How bad did yesterday go?  Now people are resigning from Trump's white house in droves so they can make the claim that they were really never with him.  I don't think Trump deserves and parallels to Jesus, but looks like some of his true disciples are claiming they don't know him.  I found Lindsey Graham's speech yesterday quite a reversal.

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he mob has done something nobody else could do, to get me and Rand to agree. Rand is right. If you’re a conservative, this is the most offensive concept in the world that a single person could disenfranchise 155 million people. “The President of the Senate shall in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives open all certificates and the vote shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes for president shall be president.” Where in there does it say, “Mike can say, ‘I don’t like the results. I want to send them back to the states. I believe there was fraud.'” To the conservatives who believe in the constitution, now’s your chance to stand up and be counted.

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There are people dying, to my good friend from Illinois, to make sure we have a chance to argue among ourselves, and when it’s over, it is over. It is over. The final thing, Joe Biden. I’ve traveled the world with Joe. I hoped he lost. I prayed he would lose. He won. He’s the legitimate President of the United States. I cannot convince people, certain groups, by my words, but I will tell you by my actions that maybe I above all others in this body need to say this. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are lawfully elected and will become the President and the Vice President of the United States on January the 20th.

I fully expected that Trump would attempt a coup.  And while I've always believed that he is an incompetent, narcissistic buffoon, I am surprised at how badly his last best chance to overthrow democracy was played.  Apparently, despite my low opinion of him as a man, it still wasn't low enough. 

When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2704 on: January 07, 2021, 12:39:29 PM »
Yet the ONE time Trump supporters have a large protest and a relatively small group (compared to the hundreds of thousands that showed up in DC) breaks away and decides to storm a government building that's public property on their own initiative (after Trump told them not to start shit earlier that day)--not assaulting anyone, just breaking windows to get in--this is suddenly an INSURRECTION personally led by Trump to stage a coup.

What about the protest in Michigan?  What about the attempt to kidnap Governor Whitmer?  What about the Capitol Police who were injured trying to block the crowd from entering? 

Why downplay the events?  Why ignore the people who, even now, are saying that what the rioters got wrong was not hanging all the politicians? 

The attempt to block Congress from certifying the results of the election is a coup - the certification being required prior to the transition of power pending something like a Supreme Court ruling saying otherwise.

So at least pick a position - was the riot a good thing that didn't go far enough, or a bad thing that certainly went to far?  I'm hearing both from too many people.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2705 on: January 07, 2021, 12:43:47 PM »
At some point RPG.net is going to run out  room anything but their Neo-Marxist posturing. 


Also deadDMWalking go fuck yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if you are the Antifa tosser dressed up as the Indian 
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2706 on: January 07, 2021, 12:48:11 PM »
What about the protest in Michigan?  What about the attempt to kidnap Governor Whitmer?  What about the Capitol Police who were injured trying to block the crowd from entering? 
Dunno about the others, but the Whitmer kidnappers were nutters who hated Trump as much as Whitmer. Try again.

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Why downplay the events?  Why ignore the people who, even now, are saying that what the rioters got wrong was not hanging all the politicians? 
Don't worry, bro, I'm sure the Capitol has insurance. Think of it as a mostly peaceful protest.


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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2707 on: January 07, 2021, 01:13:55 PM »
And yes, representing the views of their constituents is literally the job.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

OMG

*gasping for breath*

say that again...this time with a straight face...
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2708 on: January 07, 2021, 01:20:33 PM »
Also deadDMWalking go fuck yourself.

Happily.   

I wouldn't be surprised if you are the Antifa tosser dressed up as the Indian

Too bad they didn't arrest everybody. 

But no, I wasn't in DC and this clearly wasn't a 'false flag operation'.  Or are you still trying to make that claim? 

Here's an Article about it

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The photo and the caption are accurate, Angeli was indeed at a BLM protest. However, the photo is manipulated to crop out his QAnon sign. Angeli was photographed at a BLM protest...because he was there as a pro-Trump counter-protestor.

Here's the UNCROPPED image for you "Q Sent Me". That's Jake Angeli BTW - he's an actor and MAGA from Phoenix. pic.twitter.com/WOe9AzmCNs

— Kubrick's Lens Cap (@jonrosling) January 6, 2021

Furthermore, Angeli has made a name for himself as a big supporter of QAnon conspiracy, which is a hardcore pro-Trump movement. He has even spoken at pro-Trump events in support of Trump’s re-election.

But I'm sure that the QAnon Shaman will be happy to be 'unpersoned' by his allies for having the wrong political beliefs even though he did everything that those allies encouraged him to do. 

We're full-on in a Darkness at Noon scenario.
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2709 on: January 07, 2021, 01:27:36 PM »
They will never support the neocons as your days are just as numbered Mistwell.  They may have left Trump, but they are still nationalists.  They will destroy the GOP, or make it something completely different.

I think the outcome of the senate races in GA proved this.  There weren't any real number of Republicans, except the neocons, who voted R+Biden.  The Democrat party isn't faring much better though.  They have their majority, but what happens when the establishment doesn't give the Antifa/BLM what the want.  As I said before, I don't think they can get the riot genie back into the bottle.

...and they will have to in order to 'salvage' us from the 'ruination of the Trump Presidency.'  I think its going to get interesting when they have to start using force...  ;D
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2710 on: January 07, 2021, 01:38:46 PM »
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2711 on: January 07, 2021, 01:40:58 PM »
I fully expected that Trump would attempt a coup.  And while I've always believed that he is an incompetent, narcissistic buffoon, I am surprised at how badly his last best chance to overthrow democracy was played.  Apparently, despite my low opinion of him as a man, it still wasn't low enough.

That wasn't a 'coup' attempt...It was a group of overzealous, unarmed protesters pushing their way into a Federal building to make their voices heard.

On the plus side, we now know that if Portland, etc. had used real bullets on day 1 of the riots, it would have been ok according to the MSM.  I'm confused, I thought the stuff earlier was protesting police violence...
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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2712 on: January 07, 2021, 01:47:35 PM »
Whatever the BLM twats have been doing doesn’t excuse what happened yesterday.  We’ve had lots of riots in our history but we’ve never seen the seat of government stormed during a constitutional hearing.  Whether you believe it was justified and considering it wasn’t a fully armed insurrection, it’s still shocking and couldn’t have helped the cause.  Either way the president initiated it and that will go down in history. 

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2713 on: January 07, 2021, 02:10:21 PM »
Whatever the BLM twats have been doing doesn’t excuse what happened yesterday.  We’ve had lots of riots in our history but we’ve never seen the seat of government stormed during a constitutional hearing.  Whether you believe it was justified and considering it wasn’t a fully armed insurrection, it’s still shocking and couldn’t have helped the cause.  Either way the president initiated it and that will go down in history.

1) I never said it was justified.
2) 'wasn't a fully armed insurrection' you are so cute...I said unarmed, not partially armed.
3) So you believe Trump should have used the Insurrection Act against the rioters in Ferguson, Minneapolis, etc. ??

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Re: 2020 Election Commentary
« Reply #2714 on: January 07, 2021, 02:14:46 PM »
Despite what your political masters have told you, myleftnut, you really can't have it both ways.

John Hayward says it best (copied from his Twatter account):

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Political violence is always wrong and should never be tolerated from anyone. Once "protesters" threaten lives and property, their grievances and ideology should become absolutely irrelevant to the situation.
That is, obviously, not the country we live in.

Long ago, we had an attitude of zero tolerance for terrorism, "we do not negotiate with terrorists," etc. One reason for this was the implicit understanding that negotiating with terrorism legitimizes it. Violence becomes an instrument of politics.

Some of us warned all last year that treating violence as acceptable, even laudable, from SOME people would mainstream it and touch off an arms race. Everyone would start getting the idea that only groups with a demonstrated capacity for violence are taken seriously.

When violence becomes acceptable from one party and its clients, one ideology, it becomes an instrument of authoritarianism. That's why authoritarian regimes frequently have violent vigilante groups roaming the streets in addition to their vast security and military forces.

Iran, for example, has all sorts of heavily armed police and security forces, working for both its secular and theocratic governments, but it ALSO has ultra-violent "vigilante" groups indulged by the State whose "grievances" supposedly justify vandalism and murder.

Either political violence is rejected in total - from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe - or it isn't. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.

This is similar to the detestable way modern society handles racism. The tolerance level should be zero, but it isn't. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination are acceptable from SOME people toward SOME people. "Anti-racism" is an instrument of totalitarian power, not a principle.

Of course the particulars of protecting vital government facilities are different, but in principle the law-abiding residents and shop owners of Kenosha should have the same expectation of protection from political violence as politicians in D.C. But they don't, do they?

Every time a left-wing group gets violent, we're immediately told the protest was Mostly Peaceful, and the people who assembled peaceably - and their political leaders, no matter how incendiary their rhetoric - are 0% responsible for any injury or destruction that occurred.

We're told it's really all OUR fault for not listening to the grievances of the "protesters" who turned violent, even as we watch video of them merrily looting retail stores. We forced them to steal those TV sets by not yielding to their political demands!

Irresponsible political leaders who fanned the flames of left-wing violence and help the perpetrators escape accountability for their actions are never held to account, never told they must resign, rarely even advised to tone down their rhetoric.

And many - most - of the left-wing riots and killings of recent memory were based on falsehoods and misinformation. Outright lies were blasted by left-wing politicians and media without consequence, entirely BECAUSE they wanted to whip people into a frenzy.

And we were told all of that was fine, acceptable, even praiseworthy because their violence brought CHANGE and their lies illuminated DEEPER TRUTH. Okay, sure, we got everything about Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin's deaths wrong, but there were legit grievances to be addressed!

We have to stop doing that. We have to insist that every quarter of our political spectrum renounce violence, and the willful incitement to violence, completely and absolutely. No more cutesy-poo nudge-nudge wink-wink when lefties burn and pillage. No more double standards.

No more celebration of Noble Lies that illuminate Deeper Truth by the light of burning homes and businesses that were destroyed by mobs with Legitimate Grievances. No more indulgences for those who wantonly break the laws of the System That Failed Them.

That is a principle, and we should all be able to agree on it, no matter what else we disagree on. Absolute zero tolerance for political violence is a message that can save lives and prevent destruction if we all say it together and demand our government acts accordingly.

But if we decide the tolerance level for political violence will not be 0.0, then all that remains is for our armies to meet in the streets. Violence is too powerful, too USEFUL, and too profitable to be ignored when it is indulged.

And I reiterate that famous exchange from A Man For All Seasons:

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William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"

And there the left stands, the laws cut down all around them, wondering what the problem is.