2020 Election Commentary

[Garry G]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

[Ratman_tf]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

You don't know?

If a person supports Trump, it was a gaffe. He thinks he won the election, and wants to find the votes to prove it.
If a person hates Trump, it's more proof he's a whiny loser who wants to cheat.

Like Biden, saying he likes Obama because he's the first clean black candidate.

"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044
If you're a Biden supporter, how do you even start to defend that? You call it a gaffe and move on, because he's "your guy".

[Trond]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

You don't know?

If a person supports Trump, it was a gaffe. He thinks he won the election, and wants to find the votes to prove it.
If a person hates Trump, it's more proof he's a whiny loser who wants to cheat.

Like Biden, saying he likes Obama because he's the first clean black candidate.

"I mean, you've got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a story-book, man," Biden said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16911044
If you're a Biden supporter, how do you even start to defend that? You call it a gaffe and move on, because he's "your guy".

This pretty much sums up any debate going on anywhere at this point.

....not to mention stories about both that they can be, well, a bit "rapey" shall we say.

[Mistwell]

DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728

I do it because I love you all.

Greetings!

Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.

You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.

Greetings!

I think that the Georgia Secretary of State is a jello-filled, corrupt fucking RINO, just like Georgia's worthless Governor. They all need to be thrown the fuck out and replaced. They are corrupt swamp beasts! They have lied, and squirmed, and been negligent in doing their duties. I don't trust them, or the various election officials in Georgia. I don't believe a damned thing that the MSM claims, as they are totally corrupt and lying frauds. The MSM twists and frames everything to favour Leftists and Democrats, and are always working against President Trump, which they have been entirely devoted against since 2016.

The 2020 election ha been fraudulent and corrupt.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

[SHARK]

DONT SAY I DID NOT WARN YOU ALL:
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https://twitter.com/BLUEPRINT_Q/status/1345507539576905728

I do it because I love you all.

Greetings!

Damn straight! It's about time the President has some people around him that are dedicated and loyal! Just like the President calling the Georgia GOP Secretary of State and asking about votes. I hope the President calls every damn one of them, demanding why they aren't doing investigations, get rid of all the fraud votes, and only count legal votes! And find the TRUMP votes that the fucking lying, cheating Democrats have destroyed, sought to throw away, or hide them. Geesus, the President needs to demand these fucking RINOS and weak Republican officials do their fucking jobs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

My man, he threatened them to "find" a specific number of votes to make him win. That's not asking him to do an investigation. He was not "asking" about votes. You cannot listen to that audio, which is authentic and all there and all the context for everyone to hear, and pretend what he said is how you characterized it.

You forget, a SHARK has to keep the flow of conspiracy-rich waters moving over his gills or he dies, so expect him to keep swimming down whatever improbable paths those waters go, because that's all he's got left.

Greetings!

I think that the Georgia Secretary of State is a jello-filled, corrupt fucking RINO, just like Georgia's worthless Governor. They all need to be thrown the fuck out and replaced. They are corrupt swamp beasts! They have lied, and squirmed, and been negligent in doing their duties. I don't trust them, or the various election officials in Georgia. I don't believe a damned thing that the MSM claims, as they are totally corrupt and lying frauds. The MSM twists and frames everything to favour Leftists and Democrats, and are always working against President Trump, which they have been entirely devoted against since 2016.

The 2020 election ha been fraudulent and corrupt.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

Greetings!

Well, Mistwell, I listened to the hour long video phone call. Sec State Brad seems to merely answer everything the President says about the fraud, the processes, oversight problems and so on with "I don't agree, that isn't what our data has told us, and no, we can't share internal data and sources with you". More talking, blah, blah, blah, our lawyers should meet tomorrow or in the next 24 to 48 hours. President Trump talks about how he won the election fair and square, and how he knows he has the election won by plenty of votes, but only needs 11,700 and such. Then the other guy says for the President, we have data that shows 24,000 were dead voters and so on, just auditing and getting rid of those would be more than sufficient numbers that corresponds with President Trump's victory. Sec State Brad disagrees, saying his data doesn't show that many dead voter or otherwise fraudulent voters, but says he can't share that internal data, blah, blah, blah. President Trump talks about how the voters hate the Governor and the Sec State, and future election aren't going to go well, and Republican voters may not vote in the coming election, and the reputation of the state for having a fair and open election is in question. There's no threats against Sec State Brad, and the entire conversation doesn't seem in any way unethical or problematic to me, just a fairly normal political discussion with Sec State Brad that doesn't seem to want to search for the truth, nor does he seem to want to fight corruption or charges of fraud, and seems definitely like he has something to hide, and he is dragging his feet, obstructing, and attempting to stonewall from actually doing his job in a responsible and honest manner.

So, yeah, I'm not seeing what the crying and hysteria is about, but I'm not surprised that the MSM seeks to spin everything as some nefarious plot by President Trump, and yet another terrifying example of President Trump being an autocrat or tyrant. The MSM has been doing this nonsense every week now for the last four years, so it is just more of the same BS, sad to say. Trump could fart and the MSM would REEE that the Orange Man Bad is trying to gas the whole country in an effort to be a cruel, uncaring and evil tyrant.

That's my take on the dreaded and horrible phone call--as usual with the MSM, this is a whole lot of nothing.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shasarak]

dementia speaks.

The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.

I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.

[Shasarak]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

[shuddemell]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html

[Pat]

SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.

I can't tolerate listening to Trump for more than about 10 seconds in row, so I'll never listen to either. But Tim Pool, who voted for Trump in this election but thinks Biden won, and is a progressive liberal who thinks Medicare for All and a UBI are good ideas, concludes there was nothing egregious, and it's the secretary of state of Georgia who comes out looking bad. The part about 11,700 votes is after discussion where Trump claims he won fairly, claims many voting irregularities in excess of the amount, and then says he only needs 11,700. There's nothing fraudulent about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2MoJp9ueMc

[Mistwell]

SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

Did you listen to the 4 minute excerpt they originally had up, or the full hour long phone call they replaced it with later? Most of the reactions seem to be based on the short version, which was selectively edited, with statements taken out of context and jump cuts.

I can't tolerate listening to Trump for more than about 10 seconds in row, so I'll never listen to either. But Tim Pool, who voted for Trump in this election but thinks Biden won, and is a progressive liberal who thinks Medicare for All and a UBI are good ideas, concludes there was nothing egregious, and it's the secretary of state of Georgia who comes out looking bad. The part about 11,700 votes is after discussion where Trump claims he won fairly, claims many voting irregularities in excess of the amount, and then says he only needs 11,700. There's nothing fraudulent about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2MoJp9ueMc

I listened to the full hour and linked to the full hour in my message.

[SHARK]

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html

Greetings!

Hey there, Shuddemell! Yeah, I agree. I used to occasionally watch episodes of the MSM on various topics or events, just to see what they were saying, you know, so I can get a broad range of sources when it comes to the news and current events--instead of just listening to Conservative sources.

Nah. The MSM has become so corrupt, fraudulent, and an absolute propaganda organization for the Marxist Left, mor and more I don't even click on their headlines at all anymore. There have been so many issues and events over the last four years--from the Covington high school kid wearing a MAGA hat, to the MSM's lies about Russia! Russia! Russian Collusion!, to the Ukraine phone call, to the phony impeachment, to Trump's July 4 speech at Mt. Rushmore--as well as the anti-white racism, the racism hoaxes like Jusse Smollet, the BS Judge Kavanough hearings, and of course, the infamous "Mostly peaceful protests!"--as buildings are engulfed in flames right bhind the stupid reporter, the MSM has absolutely *zero* credibility. Everytime they even open their mouth, it is all absolute lies, distortion, frame and narrative setting, and Marxist propaganda. The train full of BS just never stops with these people. It's mind boggling to me that any adult that even claims to be educated and rational in any way can listen to the MSM with a straight face.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Pat]

I listened to the full hour and linked to the full hour in my message.

They apparently replaced the short version with the long one, that's why I asked.

[moonsweeper]

Might have something to do with the 400 Mill he owes the Germans/Russians...

Uhh...You do realize a $400 million loan backed by a real estate lien through Deutschebank isn't actually him 'owing' money.  It is just a loan with collateral...and I'm not sure how the 'Germans' or the 'Russians' even fit in...DB is a global bank, it isn't any different than using Citibank or whoever else you want.

[moonsweeper]

SHARK, I am serious when i say this. No fucking around, no internet tough guy nonsense, not trying to "win" an argument. If you listen to the recording of Trump's conversation, I do not think you can honestly walk away and say Trump's behavior was moral or ethical. I just don't. So, please, listen to it. The whole thing, so you get all the context. You will hear Trump rationally lay out his case for why he thinks he did win in Georgia and what the claims are about fraud and how it should be handled, and then responses, and then Trump crosses the line into unethical things. Listen to it yourself and you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

So when are we charging the FBI/government personnel who falsified information to obtain warrants against members of a US Presidential political campaign?  Just asking...

[VisionStorm]

dementia speaks.

The Biden campaign responded ably to the 60+ cases brought by Trump and his allies, defeating all those attempts to undermine democracy.

I thought that was due to the Court system but you are right, it was because of the Biden campaign.

It was the product of the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

I don't know, the tape of Trump seems to be the most convincing evidence of attempted electoral fraud that's come up yet. He's trying to cajole somebody into making up votes.

Trying to get someone to do his damn job.

You have to have the most toxic orange colored glasses to interpret this in any other way. But if you look hard enough their TDS allows them to unironically spin this in the most self serving way possible.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-georgia-call-transcript.html

If this audio had been published by Project Veritas people would be saying that it was deceptively edited. But since they heard it from WaPo obviously it was on the level (even though it was clearly deceptively edited and out of context).