2020 Election Commentary

[Mistwell]

Now can someone please tell me how Trump is the last stand against socialism and communism, while he's threatening a veto on the stimulus because it doesn't give away enough free money to everyone? You know, a plan BERNIE SANDERS proposed! AOC and Pelosi are also praising it.

Sure.  First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.  Second this bill is one of the biggest (longest in terms of page count) in history, if not the absolute record holder (I believe it is, in fact, the record holder).  Most of that 2100 dollars that American Tax Payers are spending to receive 600 dollars of 'stimulous' is not even going to projects or businesses in America, but are being paid to countries like Pakistan, Egypt and others.

Not that anyone is exactly certain, because in addition to being absurdly long, they were given a handful of hours to parse those 6000 thousand pages (That is ten pages per dollar received in stimulus, and 2 dollars and change for every dollars spent by a taxpayer...) so they could exercise informed consent in the performance of their representative duties.

As much as I enjoy getting money for sitting on my ass, this looks like a terrible deal on the face of it, and I'm glad its being quashed. I don't care who is doing the quashing, or who put their hands in my pocket to take all that money in the first place.

You fail.

I repeat: he's threatening to veto the bill BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH MONEY AWAY FOR FREE TO EVERYONE. All the rest of that isn't the primary reason he's threatening a veto. He want's $2000 instead of $600 to everyone. If they just changed that one clause looks like he'd sign. He wants other stuff done too, but his primary objection is it's not enough free money to everyone.

So how is that not socialist?

[Spike]

You fail.

I repeat: he's threatening to veto the bill BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH MONEY AWAY FOR FREE TO EVERYONE. All the rest of that isn't the primary reason he's threatening a veto. He want's $2000 instead of $600 to everyone. If they just changed that one clause looks like he'd sign. He wants other stuff done too, but his primary objection is it's not enough free money to everyone.

So how is that not socialist?

How do I fail?  What a weird thing to say in response to my post.  I never said why the Trumpenfurher vetoed it, I responded with why I was glad he vetoed it, myself and a lot of other people, as it turns out.

Now, you come along and say he vetoed it because it doesn't pay out enough, which is fine.  I said that the bill cost 2700 dollars for each tax payer, and that 600 dollars is a joke. Now you say that The Don wanted 2000 instead of 600. Well, I still think that's an awful shit deal... I'm still losing 700 dollars at the end of the day, but hell, I'd be happy to lose only 700 vs losing 2100... I'd rather not lose any.

Also, I didn't mention one word about Socialist, so I'm not sure what your stinger question is supposed to imply.  Lets go over my complaints and see if I missed anything...

Paying 2700 dollars for 600 dollars? Nope, we just covered that. Cheeto Emperor wants to increase it to 2000 dollars. That's a weak sister win, but its still a win. Maybe he also wanted to bring down the cost per person too? Who knows. 

The bill was too damn long, absurdly long: Not about socialism.

There was nowhere near the time, mandated by law btw, for lawmakers to actually read the bill before they had to vote: Also not about socialism.

There was an awful lot of money in this relief bill to countries that do not spell their name 'United States of America': Thats a lot of things, but I"m pretty sure my complaint was not about 'Socialism' there. It was about US lawmakers giving my money to other countries while whispering in my ear that it was all for me. 


Now, as it happens, sure, I think any redistributionist program of passing out tax payer dollars to non-tax payers smacks of a socialist policy, but frankly that's so far down the list of complaints I might have about this particular bill that it never even occurred to me until now.  So... congratulations? You have successfully discovered yet another reason to cheer it was vetoed. 

Thanks, Mistwell!

[consolcwby]

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MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS SCRUBS!                                              =
It's that time again... but this time, let's keep it lighthearted, shall we?      =
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DANGANRONPA: ELECTION EDITION
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Monokuma asks the question:
Getting tired of the election yet?
Ready to give in to despair yet?
No?
Well, that despair isn't going to have to wait too much longer!
Have a great last Christmas!
Cuz the KILLING GAME IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!
Puh-pupupupu...

Those who plan on OBJECTING Certification:
https://twitter.com/Lancegooden/status/1341773798677258240
https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1342139286121029632
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1342147374895017985

The Dem's enemies list is getting longer by the day!

Operation Pence Card:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/mike-pence-must-tomorrow-president-trump-retweets-operation-pence-card-urging-vp-act-fraudulent-election/
Truly, despair inducing isn't it?

Trump's LAST Abuse of Power ~ PARDONS:
https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1342087533044371456
How DARE YOU?! HOW dare you?!

My Take:
Trump is now showing the people, We are experiencing the Great Awakening, this Awakening is for everything the Deep State has been doing, the people must see it all and demand change. This is what Trump is doing, look at pandemic, the riots, the election fraud, the stimulus for covid, people are waking up and more are waking up each and every day, he is exposing the system to the American people. He is showing that these people are not for the people, they work for the Deep State.

[EOTB]

If they're going to give money away to favored corporate interests and NGOs, might as well give some to normal people.

Romney's GOP has no ground to stand on here.  They love to give away money to everyone except joe lunchpail.

[rawma]

No, claims that it was not a free and fair election likely require a showing by the preponderance of evidence (although assertions of criminality would require proof beyond a reasonable doubt).

You dont prove a negative dumbie

Many mathematicians are famous for proving negatives: e.g., Galois, Wantzel, Gödel, Turing. But in this case...

You prove it was free and fair, you dont prove that it was not.

... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.

[rawma]

First of all, its patently absurd to pay 2700 dollars to receive 600 dollars, no matter how you parse it.

Depending on when you have to repay it, that would make perfect sense; many people borrow money to buy a house or car now, and repay a greater amount over time. For federal debt, it often never gets paid off; it simply diminishes in significance as the economy grows. The US owed more than its GDP at the end of World War II and never really paid off most of it; the economy grew so that the present day value of that debt, less the $3 trillion, is not really a significant part of the national debt.

The US federal government should spend countercyclically; borrow and spend when the economy falters. States generally can't do that, as most are required to have balanced budgets. $600 is too much to people who don't really need it (but may make it politically more feasible) and too little to people who desperately need more; increased unemployment benefits would be much better (but maybe less likely to get broad support).

[Mistwell]

Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans' graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald's, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called "a persistent effort ... to deceive others."").

How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?

[Ghostmaker]

Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans' graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald's, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called "a persistent effort ... to deceive others."").

How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?

Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.

[rawma]

Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans' graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald's, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called "a persistent effort ... to deceive others."").

How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?

MAGA level gullible.

Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.

The link is to the Seattle Times, which references the Washington Post identification of the affidavit author, who admitted authorship in an interview, but the story has other sources, like the Republican Attorney General and a District Court Judge of North Dakota.
https://attorneygeneral.nd.gov/news/attorney-general-details-investigation-unlicensed-business-alleged-fraud-tore-maras-lindeman
https://attorneygeneral.nd.gov/sites/ag/files/documents/RecentActions/2020-09-14-MagicCityChristmas-Judgment.pdf

[Shasarak]

... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.

A free and fair election does not do things like this:



so therefore you need to prove it was free and fair.

[Mistwell]

Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans' graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald's, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called "a persistent effort ... to deceive others."").

How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?

Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.

"Maras-Lindeman reportedly acknowledged that she wrote the affidavit"

As LawAndCrime reports: "Three yuletide seasons ago, a North Dakota resident named Terpsichore "Tore" Maras-Lindeman promised a holiday concert that she billed as a "Magic City Christmas," named after the roughly 40,000-population city of Minot where she promised to hold a concert to benefit three homeless shelters. The state's attorney general discovered she spent what little she raised on GoFundMe at McDonald's, Wal-Mart, Waxing the City, Target and other stores. Those findings were certified by a judge who slapped the purported do-gooder with more than $25,000 in civil penalties and attorneys' fees earlier this year."

That's her. That's your patriotic super spy hero. Just another scumbag fraudster.

And as mentioned above by the Seattle Times, she was also caught faking her credentials previously, including fake social security card, fact claims to be a medical doctor, etc..

She's a huckster. You fell for a grift. 

[Tubesock Army]

Sydney Powell's secret intelligence source turns out to be a pro-trump podcaster. She's also a crook ("she used money she collected — ostensibly to fund homeless shelters and wreaths for veterans' graves — on purchases for herself at McDonald's, QVC and elsewhere") and a liar ("falsely claimed to be a medical doctor and to have both a Ph.D. and an MBA. They said she used multiple aliases and social security numbers and created exaggerated online résumés as part of what they called "a persistent effort ... to deceive others."").

How gullible must you be to have fallen for that?

Not as gullible as someone quoting the Washington Post, which has been so far in the tank with Orange Man Bad they're less trustworthy than the Weekly World News.

"Maras-Lindeman reportedly acknowledged that she wrote the affidavit"

As LawAndCrime reports: "Three yuletide seasons ago, a North Dakota resident named Terpsichore "Tore" Maras-Lindeman promised a holiday concert that she billed as a "Magic City Christmas," named after the roughly 40,000-population city of Minot where she promised to hold a concert to benefit three homeless shelters. The state's attorney general discovered she spent what little she raised on GoFundMe at McDonald's, Wal-Mart, Waxing the City, Target and other stores. Those findings were certified by a judge who slapped the purported do-gooder with more than $25,000 in civil penalties and attorneys' fees earlier this year."

That's her. That's your patriotic super spy hero. Just another scumbag fraudster.

And as mentioned above by the Seattle Times, she was also caught faking her credentials previously, including fake social security card, fact claims to be a medical doctor, etc..

She's a huckster. You fell for a grift.

Again.

[Tubesock Army]

Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...

Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.

Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.

[SHARK]

... you prove there was massive wrongdoing to change the election result, you don't prove that there was not.

A free and fair election does not do things like this:



so therefore you need to prove it was free and fair.

Greetings!

What? Wait, Shasarak! Covering windows, obscuring observation of voting proceedings, and preventing opposition party observers to supervise and otherwise participate in elections isn't fair, honest, and transparent?

But the Leftist Democrats here insist that the 2020 Election has been just fine! "The most secure and safe election EVAR!!!"

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[SHARK]

Looks like Sydney Powell's star witness isn't just a fake Intelligence Officer, but a fake M.D. as well...

Speaking of fake MDs, I heard suggestions that they make Jill Bidan the Surgeon General.

Jill Biden never claimed to be an M.D., though? But, since you're so up in arms about phony credentials, Sebastian Gorka is that way.

Greetings!

Honestly, I think the whole "Jill Biden is not a Doctor!" is just as ridiculous as claiming Sebastian Gorka is not a Doctor. Yes, they are both doctors, both have PH.D's. Yes, neither one is a *medical doctor*--their respective credentials are in other fields--and this I think may be one of the reasons medical doctors have "Dr. John Smith, M.D." after their names. After reading some of these articles about medical commissions, newspaper editing standards in Canada, whatever, claiming to not call PH.D's "Doctor" and hospitals making particular distinctions about staff--*shrugs* I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, though at my university, students, administrators, and faculty alike routinely made references to "Yes, this Philosophy class is taught by Dr. Robert Smith" or "Yeah, my mentor in Ancient Roman History was Dr. Michael Brick" and "Awesome! That book on International Relations and Politics, written by Dr. Jenny Jumper was one of the best!" Attending academic conferences, many people were referred to by their titles--Professor, or much of the time, Dr. so and so. None of these situations or experiences, or the people involved, were ever under the impression that any of the academics referenced were *medical doctors* That distinction, to the best of my knowledge, does not mean that such people do not have the title, and have not therefore earned the title, of "Dr." They just are not medical doctors, which is easily distinguished. I am familiar with some sentiment that those *insisting* on being addressed as "Dr." is pompous and overbearing. *Shruggs* I have seen some of that, too. I knew professors that were fine with being addressed as "Dr." or "professor" or "Mr. so and so." Or, once you got to know them, by just there first names, particularly when in an informal setting--like hanging out in their office hours, or having lunch with them.

So much of this just seems petty to me. People that have PH.D's have attended school for 8 years or more, and have earned respect for their work. They are no less educated than a medical doctor, though have focused their academic efforts and expertise on a different field other than medicine. I think that both Dr. Jill Biden and Dr. Sebastian Gorka would likely agree with me.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK