2020 Election Commentary

[rawma]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/05/us/house-democrats-election-losses.html

But by Thursday, one of the incumbents Democrats had spent heavily to defend, Representative Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, who was defeated Tuesday night as President Trump won a resounding victory in her Miami-area district, broke into tears as she spoke out to her soon-to-be former colleagues about internal divides in the party.

I was unable to find the part where some Democrat fears that her house will be bombed if she doesn't go along with other Democrats. Because you're stupid and dishonest, I will again provide the link about that happening to a Republican:

When The New York Times asked Kim Ward, the Republican leader in the Pennsylvania Senate, whether she would have signed a letter declaring there was fraud in the state's election, she replied, "If I would say to you, 'I don't want to do it,'" referring to signing the letter, "I'd get my house bombed tonight."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/republican-party-abandoning-democracy/617359/

Ah, more gotchas!

Nope, just a fact about where the Republican party is. Notice the number of GOP Congress members retiring in the last two cycles? Justin Amash left the party, and is now followed by Paul Mitchell, who was already retiring.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/politics/paul-mitchell-quits-gop/index.html

Yes, because it's usually Trump supporters bombing people's houses. Therefore a Republican Senator's unfounded fears that a Trump supporter would bomb her house* is a valid clapback to bring into this discussion.

*something that has never actually happened and the only alleged Trump supporter to ever be involved in a mail bombing scheme sent them only to Democrats, one CIA guy and CNN, and the devices didn't even have a trigger mechanism, so they never exploded. So there's zero precedent, as far as I know, to believe a Republican senator would be targeted by Trump supporters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2018_United_States_mail_bombing_attempts

All sixteen confirmed bombs sent were improvised explosive devices,[11] though none had a trigger mechanism.[12] None of the devices exploded outside a controlled setting.[13]

Guy who puts up "Fuck your feelings" sign is sufficiently disliked that somebody threw explosives at his house, but it can only be because of his politics and not that he's an abrasive jerk. The bomb guy mailing to Democrats? Big Trump supporter, so no parallel with Republicans afraid of their own supporters.

Is the guy in your story a GOP elected official or party leader? Did they catch anyone who did it? Again, I was pointing at a GOP elected official being that scared of GOP supporters. Point me at some Democratic elected official who is as scared of Democratic supporters, or at least claiming to be as an excuse for something they are or are not doing. Hillary supposedly killed people but no Democrat seemed scared of criticizing her harshly in the aftermath of her loss.

Your story does remind me of the combine fire that was blamed on Antifa:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/93wwme/so-did-antifa-light-this-guys-combine-on-fire-or-what

Rempel's fire fiasco was brought into question Monday by crop scientist Dr. Sarah Taber on Twitter. In a thread, Taber wrote "This dude literally violated rule #1 in AgFax's handy 12-step guide in 'how to not light your combine on fire' but he just knows in his heart it was antifa [...] sure thing, pal."

[rawma]

So we're both citing a source oriented to the left (NYT seems to be the original source).

NYT, that publishes Bret Stephens, Ross Douthat and David Brooks? The one that trashed Hillary Clinton endlessly? LOL.

It's difficult to find an honest source that hasn't been smeared by the right as leftist; apparently Fox News is now part of the conspiracy. But I expect anything that disagrees with you to be labelled as the left anyway.

As mentioned the divisions have been noted in foreign papers as well (and they tend to know which way the sources lean). Anyway, none of what you say actually goes counter to the notion that there is a pretty deep division on the left.

Provide links. I don't expect there won't be disagreements within a successful party and recriminations in an unsuccessful one, but you should have noticed the GOP-on-GOP war in the run up to the Senate runoff in Georgia. There was far more fracturing in the 2016 election cycle between Bernie supporters and the Democratic "establishment", both before and after the election than there is now in the Democratic party.

To clarify my position, fracturing implies something serious enough that the party could break apart; if you're just pointing at the usual Democratic squabbling, that's nothing new: Will Rogers said "I am not a member of any organized party - I am a Democrat." The stresses on the GOP are between Trumpism and other factions, the retirements and abandonment, the number of Republicans-for-Biden groups; all are highly unusual in a party with an autocratic mindset and high message discipline.

[rawma]

It was especially surprising considering that the Democrats already had the (apparently) most popular Presidential candidate in USian history ready to go.

If only they would've dropped Biden onto the ticket from the onset he would've won on a landslide there and then, and this entire thread would be moot. The man would've been so charismatic and effective, he would've gotten his two terms and the public would be clamoring to expand presidential term limits. But $Hillary fucked up, so we got Trump instead.

He chose not to run in 2016 because of his son's illness and death. He probably would have won; there was a reason Trump was so scared of him as to try to extort Ukraine to generate fake dirt on him.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/21/politics/joe-biden-not-running-2016-election/index.html

And he's right, he would have beat Hillary in the primaries I think.

Same way he beat her in 2008? And beat Bernie too? Also, I'm sure that $Hillary and the DNC wouldn't have cheated against him, the same way they did Bernie, to ensure she got the nomination, because it was "Her Time!". #ImWithHer

In 2008, Joe Biden was a Senator at a time when the last Senator to win the presidency was John F. Kennedy (but Obama demonstrated it could be done). In 2016 he was the sitting Vice President and had his association with Obama; when did the sitting Vice President last fail to get the nomination if he wanted it*? And he was the front runner from the start in 2020 four years away from those advantages. But Hillary in 2016 would have been a formidable primary opponent.

* Truman's vice president in 1952, I think.

Oh, after starting each reply I noticed that Mistwell answered both of these quite well. But I wanted to add my own comments.

[rawma]

My impression coming in is that Democrats more often are found guilty of fraudulent votes, while Republicans are more often guilty of illegal vote suppression.

My impression on the first part is the reverse; most of the cases of fraudulent votes have been Republicans, usually because they were convinced by the conspiracy theorists that they needed to vote twice: that their absentee votes wouldn't count so they also voted in person, or that the Democrats were doing it so they had to counter their cheating. Pennsylvania had two cases this election, both by Republicans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/
(3 of their 4 examples were Republican voters; the fourth seemed aimed at a mayoral race; the cases still being investigated did not state any party affiliation.)

Voter suppression is clearly a Republican thing; their leaders admit that more people voting would make it impossible to elect a Republican. Voter ID to target Democratic voters, reducing polling locations, limiting early voting, striking voter registrations on flimsy grounds, census changes and so on are the modern poll taxes, literacy tests and voter intimidation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/13/live-politics-updates-joe-biden-donald-trump/6529431002/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/glenn-grothman-voter-id-wisconsin-republican-2016/index.html
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-supreme-court-census-republican-advantage-20190530-story.html

However, I have been underwhelmed by the evidence presented here.

Agreed.

[rawma]

So the Electoral College voted today. The military coup looks like the last feasible path for Donald Trump to remain in power.

Congratulations again to President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris!

[jeff37923]

https://swp59.wordpress.com/2020/12/09/cdc-plans-covid-gulag-an-unspecified-number-of-americans-will-be-classified-as-high-risk-for-covid-19-in-2021-and-sent-willing-or-unwilling-to-internment-camps-until-such-time-as-the-government/

A WordPress blog written by a woman who, the day after writing this ridiculous post, urged her readers to check out The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Are you serious? Are you a diagnosed schizophrenic? Serious question, I'm not even taking the piss. Because your posts are really... something.

Also bookmarking the garbage about Gulags so I can laugh at it again later.

GOTCHA!

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[myleftnut]

So the Electoral College voted today. The military coup looks like the last feasible path for Donald Trump to remain in power.

Congratulations again to President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris!

but but....fraud...kraken...and such. 

[Ghostmaker]

Three words, dating back to 2016, and before that 2000...

"Not my president."

Get ready to enjoy the suck as your senile messiah and his round-heeled helper piledrive the economy.

[HappyDaze]

Three words, dating back to 2016, and before that 2000...

"Not my president."

Get ready to enjoy the suck as your senile messiah and his round-heeled helper piledrive the economy.

You could always try losing with grace and trying to make the best of a (presumably) bad situation, but I'd never expect to see that idea embraced here.

[HappyDaze]

So the Electoral College voted today. The military coup looks like the last feasible path for Donald Trump to remain in power.

Congratulations again to President-elect Biden and Vice-President-elect Harris!

but but....fraud...kraken...and such.

I've been on the Kraken at Sea World. From what I recall, it was too much time waiting for a short ride that was ultimately forgettable. Sounds like we're talking about the same Kraken here.

[rawma]

Three words, dating back to 2016, and before that 2000...

"Not my president."

Get ready to enjoy the suck as your senile messiah and his round-heeled helper piledrive the economy.

No, those words date back to the 90s (usually paired with "Charlton Heston is") and to 2008 and 2012. In 2000 and 2016 when the Republican took the presidency without winning the popular vote through various underhanded tricks like voter suppression, it was more like "not a legitimate president". Good luck with that message when there isn't any massive fraud and a huge margin of victory.

The Republicans will as usual pivot to deficit hawk mode and sabotaging the country during a Democratic presidency. As they have in the past, and still the Democratic president manages to save the economy anyway despite being gifted a flaming bag of excrement by incompetent and malicious Republican administrations. (It's probably why the Republicans see so much imaginary fraud; they can't imagine that someone would have competence and not use it to steal elections, since that's what they would do.)

[Ghostmaker]

And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Goodness me. That looks bad.

EDIT: Evidently Deperno Law missed the memo that BBS software hates brackets in links. Copy and paste the link, don't try to click on it.

[HappyDaze]

And while the children scream into the void, it seems the Antrim County (Michigan) audit dropped.

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

Goodness me. That looks bad.

Looks like a 404 error to me. So, a lot of nothing. Again.

[Trond]

So we're both citing a source oriented to the left (NYT seems to be the original source).

NYT, that publishes Bret Stephens, Ross Douthat and David Brooks? The one that trashed Hillary Clinton endlessly? LOL.

So NYT is not left-leaning now. Well, I think you lost all credibility a long time ago anyway.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

The New York Times is a totally Leftist newspaper. They aren't an actual legitimate media company, seeking to embrace genuine journalism. They are nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Marxist-Globalist, Democrat party, like virtually all of the MSM.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK